F1RWRS -- 2015 Season - ROTY voting!!!

dr-baker · Post by **dr-baker** » 05 Mar 2013, 15:38

Whatever. It doesn't matter. Pippa's not pregnant, and even if she were, we've established that Ben Fleet would act as the father, and probably would be the father too, if Dagnall is as careful as he claims he is...

Warren Hughes · Post by **Warren Hughes** » 06 Mar 2013, 10:22

Cameron to miss Brazilian GP

Prospec boss Gary Cameron will not travel to the Brazilian Grand Prix this weekend, having decided to travel east to the F3RWRS season finale in Australia rather than west to Brasilia. The former F1RWRS world champion will be cheering on his junior team at Surfers' Paradise as they seek to win both drivers' and teams' championships for the second year in succession. Cameron will keep up to date with events in Brazil via phone and email but deputy team principal Chris Wilkinson will be placed in charge of the team's affairs at the circuit.

Yeah, I wrote this mainly to introduce a new character because the Prospec backroom staff are so anonymous.

Phoenix · Post by **Phoenix** » 07 Mar 2013, 16:05

OK, I've finally made my mind up. If there's no issue with it, Nicolas Steele is going to drive for Aeroracing next season.

AndreaModa · Post by **AndreaModa** » 07 Mar 2013, 16:52

Phoenix wrote:OK, I've finally made my mind up. If there's no issue with it, Nicolas Steele is going to drive for Aeroracing next season.

Great choice, personally I don't know what Eurobrun is going on about saying he's rubbish! Five podiums in 2014 at Kamaha says it all!

RonDenisDeletraz · Post by **RonDenisDeletraz** » 07 Mar 2013, 21:21

AndreaModa wrote:
Phoenix wrote:OK, I've finally made my mind up. If there's no issue with it, Nicolas Steele is going to drive for Aeroracing next season.

Great choice, personally I don't know what Eurobrun is going on about saying he's rubbish! Five podiums in 2014 at Kamaha says it all!

Yes he was great in 2014. But he will lose out a lot in the new driver system mainly due to 2012

TomWazzleshaw · Post by **TomWazzleshaw** » 08 Mar 2013, 00:47

eurobrun wrote:
AndreaModa wrote:
Phoenix wrote:OK, I've finally made my mind up. If there's no issue with it, Nicolas Steele is going to drive for Aeroracing next season.

Great choice, personally I don't know what Eurobrun is going on about saying he's rubbish! Five podiums in 2014 at Kamaha says it all!

Yes he was great in 2014. But he will lose out a lot in the new driver system mainly due to 2012

That's under the assumption that my understanding of the new driver rules is correct, and that the majority of stats come from the first three years of a driver's career. Then again, I have said many times before that my understanding of the drivers' system is based on the proposal that I made my driver choices on, which I admittingly didn't understand that well to begin with. However, if what I'm hearing from Lappy is correct and it is based on the LAST three years of a drivers career, not the first three, then it's a whole different ballgame.

AndreaModa · Post by **AndreaModa** » 08 Mar 2013, 01:11

Wizzie wrote:That's under the assumption that my understanding of the new driver rules is correct, and that the majority of stats come from the first three years of a driver's career. Then again, I have said many times before that my understanding of the drivers' system is based on the proposal that I made my driver choices on, which I admittingly didn't understand that well to begin with. However, if what I'm hearing from Lappy is correct and it is based on the LAST three years of a drivers career, not the first three, then it's a whole different ballgame.

Nah no chance in that. The best way to do it is to average out a driver's results over his/her career, regardless of how long its been (I'm talking just about RWRS here). That way you lessen the impact of one-off poor years that don't accurately reflect a driver's ability on the whole.

Aerospeed · Post by **Aerospeed** » 08 Mar 2013, 01:12

I don't see any issues with Steele being with Aeroracing next year.

Nicolas Steele wrote:I'm quite glad to sign this contract with Aeroracing, it's good to know I have a seat next year and I can finally work myself towards a teams' championship next year. Looking at their car and how well they're doing developing the new car for next year, I'm quite optimistic about our chances for a title next year.

Salamander · Post by **Salamander** » 08 Mar 2013, 01:23

AndreaModa wrote:
Wizzie wrote:That's under the assumption that my understanding of the new driver rules is correct, and that the majority of stats come from the first three years of a driver's career. Then again, I have said many times before that my understanding of the drivers' system is based on the proposal that I made my driver choices on, which I admittingly didn't understand that well to begin with. However, if what I'm hearing from Lappy is correct and it is based on the LAST three years of a drivers career, not the first three, then it's a whole different ballgame.

Nah no chance in that. The best way to do it is to average out a driver's results over his/her career, regardless of how long its been (I'm talking just about RWRS here). That way you lessen the impact of one-off poor years that don't accurately reflect a driver's ability on the whole.

And maybe factor equipment into the equation as well? I mean, James Davies was stuck in pre-qualifying for 2 years but he regularly hauled crapboxes into contention for making it to qualifying proper, only for his teammate to be crap and render that pointless...

Aerond · Post by **Aerond** » 08 Mar 2013, 07:36

It's neither of them. Stats are based on every year of career as we agreed shortly after the original proposal was made.
I have to host a chat session so I can resolve any doubts regarding 2016 rules!!

AndreaModa · Post by **AndreaModa** » 08 Mar 2013, 08:31

Aerond wrote:It's neither of them. Stats are based on every year of career as we agreed shortly after the original proposal was made.
I have to host a chat session so I can resolve any doubts regarding 2016 rules!!

Definitely. And that solution works fine for me, at most drivers will have six years of experience, and even then you can count the number of those drivers on one hand now.

Post by **DemocalypseNow** » 08 Mar 2013, 09:59

AndreaModa wrote:
Aerond wrote:It's neither of them. Stats are based on every year of career as we agreed shortly after the original proposal was made.
I have to host a chat session so I can resolve any doubts regarding 2016 rules!!

Definitely. And that solution works fine for me, at most drivers will have six years of experience, and even then you can count the number of those drivers on one hand now.

This could be both good and bad for Koczo and Spencer. They've both had great years, and terrible years. I wonder which will be the dominant trend for their new stats.

Warren Hughes · Post by **Warren Hughes** » 08 Mar 2013, 10:16

For newer drivers, their ability is entirely a function of whatever team they've managed to start their career in - which is grossly unfair in the cases of Mitchell Macklin, Marie Simon, Hansuke Shioya, Du Lei et. al. Personally I think if you're going to decide stats based on junior category results - which is the right thing to do, clearly - then that should be retrospectively applied for all drivers who've competed in those categories irrespective of when they made their debuts alongside taking into account their F1RWRS results so far.

I know this should go in the rules discussion thread, but since we're talking about it here...

AndreaModa · Post by **AndreaModa** » 08 Mar 2013, 10:18

Warren Hughes wrote:For newer drivers, their ability is entirely a function of whatever team they've managed to start their career in - which is grossly unfair in the cases of Mitchell Macklin, Marie Simon, Hansuke Shioya, Du Lei et. al. Personally I think if you're going to decide stats based on junior category results - which is the right thing to do, clearly - then that should be retrospectively applied for all drivers who've competed in those categories irrespective of when they made their debuts alongside taking into account their F1RWRS results so far.

I know this should go in the rules discussion thread, but since we're talking about it here...

I'm pretty sure that's going to be the case, that's the whole point of the feeder categories.

Warren Hughes · Post by **Warren Hughes** » 08 Mar 2013, 10:30

AndreaModa wrote:
Warren Hughes wrote:For newer drivers, their ability is entirely a function of whatever team they've managed to start their career in - which is grossly unfair in the cases of Mitchell Macklin, Marie Simon, Hansuke Shioya, Du Lei et. al. Personally I think if you're going to decide stats based on junior category results - which is the right thing to do, clearly - then that should be retrospectively applied for all drivers who've competed in those categories irrespective of when they made their debuts alongside taking into account their F1RWRS results so far.

I know this should go in the rules discussion thread, but since we're talking about it here...

I'm pretty sure that's going to be the case, that's the whole point of the feeder categories.

I made that assumption when signing Macklin, but then I re-read the rules...

Aerond wrote:New drivers (to F1RWRS) stats are calculated based on their experience and success in feeder series. The more successful and experienced a driver is, the better its stats will be when said driver starts his/her F1RWRS career.

Aerond wrote:If he debuts in F1RWRS this season, his stats will be those as of 1st January 2015. If he races in 2016 after having raced in F1RWRS in 2015, his stats will still be the 2015 stats, so once a driver debuts (in a race weekend, tests are not taken into account), those will be the stats for that driver.

Aerond wrote:* All current drivers are reset at 14000 grip points (except Pay drivers)
* For every driver we play a RNG per year they've already run in the series.

All emphasis my own.

the Masked Lapwing · Post by **the Masked Lapwing** » 08 Mar 2013, 10:53

I remember at some point Aerond agreed to a rule change, and he hasn't updated that post yet. Which is why he should go through the thread and post the newest version of the rules, so that we can easily figure out just what exactly is going on.

Aerond · Post by **Aerond** » 08 Mar 2013, 16:32

I only have Melrose for F.Zimmer as driver changes in the wiki for the Brazilian race. If there's any other change please say it now (it should be in the wiki anyway, but as people tend to forget I ask here)

Aerond · Post by **Aerond** » 08 Mar 2013, 20:47

F1RWRS 2015 - ROUND 16 - Brazilian GP - Brasilia

Weather Report:
Pre-Q: Dry
Qualifying: Heavy Rain
Race: Heavy Rain

PRE-QUALIFYING

Me being useless and forgetting to screen times; so I'll just put positions.

1.James Davies (Sunshine)
2.Thomas de Bock (Gillet)
3.Mitchell Macklin (Simpson)
4.Kay Lon (Prospec)
5.Nathan Scott (Mecha)
6.Aurelien Moll (Gillet)
7.Daniel Melrose (HRT)
8.Daniel Martins (Sunshine)
9.Alexey Buyvolov (Dofasco)
10.Fredo Mestolio (Prospec)
11.Hagane Shizuka (Revolution)
12.Saeed Al Faisal (Simpson)
13.Damon Cannon (Autodynamics)
14.Steven Mackintosh (Mecha)
15.Shinobu Katayama (Revolution)
16.John Zimmer (HRT)
17.Tomislaw Tajner (Dofasco)
18.Mikko Fakkinen (Autodynamics)

This is going to hurt, but Simpson managed to beat Prospec by 0.041!

QUALIFYING

RACE

** Sunday night, around 10PM

Aerond · Post by **Aerond** » 08 Mar 2013, 21:33

Streaming Pre-Q live at: http://www.ustream.tv/channel/aerond

AndreaModa · Post by **AndreaModa** » 08 Mar 2013, 21:40

F*ck sake. Vantini is hopeless in the wet. What a crap end to the year he's had.

Aerospeed · Post by **Aerospeed** » 08 Mar 2013, 22:10

Thought HRT was going to pass on Brazil?

Aerond · Post by **Aerond** » 08 Mar 2013, 22:23

JeremyMcClean wrote:Thought HRT was going to pass on Brazil?

Uncle Melrose agreed to run in the end.

TomWazzleshaw · Post by **TomWazzleshaw** » 08 Mar 2013, 22:41

AndreaModa wrote:F*ck sake. Vantini is hopeless in the wet. What a crap end to the year he's had.

Interestingly, his massive drop in form started the minute Davies joined the team. And knowing that Rhys is a pretty poor team player at the best of times, Jones Racing in 2016 will be an interesting place indeed.

Post by **Londoner** » 08 Mar 2013, 22:55

Well, that's Autodynamics's season over and done with.

Warren Hughes · Post by **Warren Hughes** » 08 Mar 2013, 23:08

Oh dear. I think it could be a while before we see another race - or main quali for that matter.

AndreaModa · Post by **AndreaModa** » 09 Mar 2013, 00:56

Wizzie wrote:
AndreaModa wrote:F*ck sake. Vantini is hopeless in the wet. What a crap end to the year he's had.

Interestingly, his massive drop in form started the minute Davies joined the team. And knowing that Rhys is a pretty poor team player at the best of times, Jones Racing in 2016 will be an interesting place indeed.

If those two want to argue amongst themselves, I shan't stop them.

Besides, a bit of banter and verbal abuse will spur each of them on to perform better. Perfect environment for two top drivers. What could possibly go wrong? :lol:

TomWazzleshaw · Post by **TomWazzleshaw** » 09 Mar 2013, 03:23

AndreaModa wrote:
Wizzie wrote:
AndreaModa wrote:F*ck sake. Vantini is hopeless in the wet. What a crap end to the year he's had.

Interestingly, his massive drop in form started the minute Davies joined the team. And knowing that Rhys is a pretty poor team player at the best of times, Jones Racing in 2016 will be an interesting place indeed.

If those two want to argue amongst themselves, I shan't stop them.

Besides, a bit of banter and verbal abuse will spur each of them on to perform better. Perfect environment for two top drivers. What could possibly go wrong?

Could be worse. MRT have two even bigger egos to deal with and a batshite insane team owner who couldn't organize a piss-up in a brewery if he tried :lol:

Klon · Post by **Klon** » 09 Mar 2013, 07:27

Wizzie wrote:Could be worse. MRT have two even bigger egos to deal with and a batshite insane team owner who couldn't organize a piss-up in a brewery if he tried

Speaking of which:

Kay Lon in the garage wrote:YOU F*beep* PIECE OF S*beep*, FREDO! ROT IN *beep*ING HELL! YOU LAZY *beep*ING F*beep*! F*beep* this c*beep*, I'm *beep*ing outta here!

Kay Lon to the media wrote:Well, a true shame we could not make it. Sadly, I failed to make up for my team mate's failures even though I tried my best. I'm sorry for the boys and I am sorry for this disappointing end to my short run with the team, but some people are just incompetent and you cannot make up for it. Prospec has a lot of potentially good staff, if they don't lose them in the competitive F1RWRS environment, they will make a jump to the upper midfield in a few years at the very latest.

Post by **DemocalypseNow** » 09 Mar 2013, 12:27

Andrea Sassetti wrote:Well, we're looking forward to the final qualifying of the year for sure. The race looks certain to be wet, so hopefully this will give us an opportunity to score some points at the death and jump a few positions in the constructors before the year is out.

Honestly, I'm a little surprised you're coming and talking with us, I mean, we weren't even in pre-qualifying today. It's a good sign for us really, it's the end of the season and we are safely inside the Top 26. We have definitely moved on from last season, even though this was supposed to be a 'gap' year before......

Realising his mistake, the journo walks off mid-sentence and goes to interview someone more interesting.

Salamander · Post by **Salamander** » 09 Mar 2013, 13:30

James Davies wrote:Yeah, I really happy with the car again. It's handling much better now - I had some problems with new parts the team fitted on after Italy, so I've been struggling to get on top of them but now I think I've got it. It looks like it's gonna be an absolute monsoon for the rest of the weekend, though, but if we can get that wet setup nailed, I'm sure I can score more points, maybe even a podium depending on what happens with everyone else.

dr-baker · Post by **dr-baker** » 09 Mar 2013, 13:37

Judging by this, by round 10, Aeroracing and Foxdale were the only two teams to only have been in Pre-Qually once, with no teams on zero. I believe that by this point in the season, that remains the case? Isn't it odd that these just happen to be the two teams that the Mann siblings drive for?! Go Douglas and Pippa!!!

AndreaModa · Post by **AndreaModa** » 09 Mar 2013, 13:42

dr-baker wrote:Judging by this, by round 10, Aeroracing and Foxdale were the only two teams to only have been in Pre-Qually once, with no teams on zero. I believe that by this point in the season, that remains the case? Isn't it odd that these just happen to be the two teams that the Mann siblings drive for?! Go Douglas and Pippa!!!

Except all the teams that haven't been in prequalifying!

FMecha · Post by **FMecha** » 09 Mar 2013, 15:18

Bugger, another DNPQ. But since we need still need money, Scott is signed automatically to us next year.

Post by **DemocalypseNow** » 09 Mar 2013, 15:18

FMecha wrote:Bugger, another DNPQ. But since we need still need money, Scott is signed automatically to us next year.

Scott is a pay driver? This is news to me.

Aerond · Post by **Aerond** » 09 Mar 2013, 15:35

It's news to me as well

FMecha · Post by **FMecha** » 09 Mar 2013, 15:39

Aerond wrote:It's news to me as well

So you're saying, Nathan isn't a pay-driver? If that is, he's out.

Warren Hughes · Post by **Warren Hughes** » 09 Mar 2013, 15:41

FMecha wrote:
Aerond wrote:It's news to me as well

So you're saying, Nathan isn't a pay-driver? If that is, he's out.

Why would you drop Scott and keep Mackintosh? [/confused]

FMecha · Post by **FMecha** » 09 Mar 2013, 15:43

Warren Hughes wrote:
FMecha wrote:
Aerond wrote:It's news to me as well

So you're saying, Nathan isn't a pay-driver? If that is, he's out.

Why would you drop Scott and keep Mackintosh? [/confused]

Because I have confusion about wheter Scott is pay-driver or not. Plus I've have deal with EL to hire Whitechapel next year to drive with us.

Warren Hughes · Post by **Warren Hughes** » 09 Mar 2013, 15:54

But Scott is so much better than Mackintosh...

FMecha · Post by **FMecha** » 09 Mar 2013, 15:55

Warren Hughes wrote:But Scott is so much better than Mackintosh...

The key[word] is Nathan Scott's pay-drivership, WH.