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Re: Unpopular "Other Motorsport than F1" Opinions
Posted: 07 Oct 2013, 22:44
by go_Rubens
dr-baker wrote:Dark77 wrote:The Indianapolis 500 shouldn't be considered so important.
Think about it: if it wasn't so important CART would've survived the split easily.
But only if you then say the same thing about the Le Mans 24 Hours, Monaco GP, America's Cup, the Olympics, the World Cup, Wimbledon, etc.
Sports need their headliner important events to bring interest towards the sport once a year.
The Indy 500 is also the oldest motor race in the world at the moment; that will always keep it prestigious. And what if Le Mans wasn't so prestigious? Would automobiles have the interesting technologies that they have today if it wasn't for Le Mans?
Re: Unpopular "Other Motorsport than F1" Opinions
Posted: 07 Oct 2013, 22:50
by good_Ralf
go_Rubens wrote:Dark77 wrote:The Indianapolis 500 shouldn't be considered so important.
Think about it: if it wasn't so important CART would've survived the split easily.
But only if you then say the same thing about the Le Mans 24 Hours, Monaco GP, America's Cup, the Olympics, the World Cup, Wimbledon, etc.
The Indy 500 is also the oldest motor race in the world at the moment; that will always keep it prestigious. And what if Le Mans wasn't so prestigious? Would automobiles have the interesting technologies that they have today if it wasn't for Le Mans?
Rubens is right. For example the Nissan DeltaWing was inspired by Le Mans, but thanks to F1 Reject Kazuki Nakajima it is no more.
Re: Unpopular "Other Motorsport than F1" Opinions
Posted: 07 Oct 2013, 23:58
by Onxy Wrecked
Dark77 wrote:The Indianapolis 500 shouldn't be considered so important.
Think about it: if it wasn't so important CART would've survived the split easily.
I think it shows the value of history as it killed CART which didn't have the prestigious race despite having superior drivers throughout the 1990s until about 2001.
Re: Unpopular "Other Motorsport than F1" Opinions
Posted: 08 Oct 2013, 05:41
by Dj_bereta
Helio Castroneves doesn't deserve the title in this season.
Re: Unpopular "Other Motorsport than F1" Opinions
Posted: 08 Oct 2013, 16:02
by Gerudo Dragon
Dj_bereta wrote:Helio Castroneves doesn't deserve the title in this season.
I agree, if Dixon hadn't had the BS at Sonoma and Baltimore he would have it wrapped up easily.
Re: Unpopular "Other Motorsport than F1" Opinions
Posted: 08 Oct 2013, 17:48
by roblo97
Dark77 wrote:Dj_bereta wrote:Helio Castroneves doesn't deserve the title in this season.
I agree, if Dixon hadn't had the BS at Sonoma and Baltimore he would have it wrapped up easily.
But, Helio has not been crowned yet and there is still one more round left to go so it could change.
Re: Unpopular "Other Motorsport than F1" Opinions
Posted: 10 Oct 2013, 02:03
by fbjim
Dj_bereta wrote:Helio Castroneves doesn't deserve the title in this season.
He absolutely does not- I actually had RHR pegged as the driver of the year around Toronto-ish, but his performances seemed to fall off a cliff right around the time he was rammed from behind by Sato at Pocono. Either way, Dixon's second-half performance really makes him the solid driver of the year.
Re: Unpopular "Other Motorsport than F1" Opinions
Posted: 11 Oct 2013, 11:08
by Wallio
good_Ralf wrote:go_Rubens wrote:Dark77 wrote:The Indianapolis 500 shouldn't be considered so important.
Think about it: if it wasn't so important CART would've survived the split easily.
But only if you then say the same thing about the Le Mans 24 Hours, Monaco GP, America's Cup, the Olympics, the World Cup, Wimbledon, etc.
The Indy 500 is also the oldest motor race in the world at the moment; that will always keep it prestigious. And what if Le Mans wasn't so prestigious? Would automobiles have the interesting technologies that they have today if it wasn't for Le Mans?
Rubens is right. For example the Nissan DeltaWing was inspired by Le Mans, but thanks to F1 Reject Kazuki Nakajima it is no more.
Ironic considering the DeltaWing was designed to be an IndyCar........
Re: Unpopular "Other Motorsport than F1" Opinions
Posted: 11 Oct 2013, 18:38
by Onxy Wrecked
Dj_bereta wrote:Helio Castroneves doesn't deserve the title in this season.
Simply, Castroneves got in the picture due to the drivers who were threats at various points of the season fading away or rising after horrid starts. Dixon was horrid early in the season while Sato shone brightly and RHR was mediocre. Then Sato disappeared and sank down the standings, Dixon was mediocre, and RHR was dominant. Then Dixon returned the form that we expected him to be in, but was too far behind to catch Castroneves while Sato rammed RHR out into some sort of downwards spiral.
Re: Unpopular "Other Motorsport than F1" Opinions
Posted: 12 Oct 2013, 00:29
by go_Rubens
Onxy Wrecked wrote:Dj_bereta wrote:Helio Castroneves doesn't deserve the title in this season.
Simply, Castroneves got in the picture due to the drivers who were threats at various points of the season fading away or rising after horrid starts. Dixon was horrid early in the season while Sato shone brightly and RHR was mediocre. Then Sato disappeared and sank down the standings, Dixon was mediocre, and RHR was dominant. Then Dixon returned the form that we expected him to be in, but was too far behind to catch Castroneves while Sato rammed RHR out into some sort of downwards spiral.
Similar to the situation in MotoGP, where Marquez is leading due to the injuries of Jorge Lorenzo and Dani Pedrosa. If those injuries didn't limit Pedrosa and Lorenzo, the title race would be much closer than it is now. In fact, Marquez wouldn't be leading if Lorenzo or Pedrosa weren't injured. Dani had it until his crash knocked him out of contention essentially.
What I'm saying here is Marquez doesn't deserve the title unless he wins a straight fight. Right now, he doesn't deserve it through others' misfortunes.
Re: Unpopular "Other Motorsport than F1" Opinions
Posted: 12 Oct 2013, 03:57
by Hound55
go_Rubens wrote:Onxy Wrecked wrote:Dj_bereta wrote:Helio Castroneves doesn't deserve the title in this season.
Simply, Castroneves got in the picture due to the drivers who were threats at various points of the season fading away or rising after horrid starts. Dixon was horrid early in the season while Sato shone brightly and RHR was mediocre. Then Sato disappeared and sank down the standings, Dixon was mediocre, and RHR was dominant. Then Dixon returned the form that we expected him to be in, but was too far behind to catch Castroneves while Sato rammed RHR out into some sort of downwards spiral.
Similar to the situation in MotoGP, where Marquez is leading due to the injuries of Jorge Lorenzo and Dani Pedrosa. If those injuries didn't limit Pedrosa and Lorenzo, the title race would be much closer than it is now. In fact, Marquez wouldn't be leading if Lorenzo or Pedrosa weren't injured. Dani had it until his crash knocked him out of contention essentially.
What I'm saying here is Marquez doesn't deserve the title unless he wins a straight fight. Right now, he doesn't deserve it through others' misfortunes.
I have a problem when people say "so-and-so doesn't deserve the title this year." They are clearly leading the championship. If they weren't the most deserving, then who would be? Championships have a points system so that those that earn the most points win them. Nothing could possibly mean that a driver doesn't deserve a championship, even if some of his/her competitors are injured. They aren't racing so they don't deserve the championship. It is awful for them, sure, but that doesn't mean you can give them a consolation trophy.
carry on.
Re: Unpopular "Other Motorsport than F1" Opinions
Posted: 12 Oct 2013, 06:37
by AustralianStig
Exactly, it's like saying Hunt didn't deserve the 1976 title because Lauda was injured for several races.
To win you sometimes need luck to be on your side, but that doesn't make you any less deserving.
Re: Unpopular "Other Motorsport than F1" Opinions
Posted: 12 Oct 2013, 14:25
by takagi_for_the_win
go_Rubens wrote:Similar to the situation in MotoGP, where Marquez is leading due to the injuries of Jorge Lorenzo and Dani Pedrosa. If those injuries didn't limit Pedrosa and Lorenzo, the title race would be much closer than it is now. In fact, Marquez wouldn't be leading if Lorenzo or Pedrosa weren't injured. Dani had it until his crash knocked him out of contention essentially.
What I'm saying here is Marquez doesn't deserve the title unless he wins a straight fight. Right now, he doesn't deserve it through others' misfortunes.
No.
First of all, its all too easy to say that he's only leading the championship because of others misfortunes, but you have to put yourself in the position to capitalise on misfortune in the first place. Marquez has more than done that, which is impressive regardless (how many riders do you know that could handle the pressure of fighting one of the sports greatest for the title?); the fact that he's only in his first season of MotoGP is even more amazing.
Also, Marquez has proven himself more than capable of fighting with and beating the likes of Lorenzo, Rossi and Pedrosa, the first two of which will undoubtedly be remembered as two of the best of all time, if not THE two best of all time.
Finally, you say Pedrosa had it under control before his injury; its one thing to lead a championship, winning it is a completely different ballgame (see Lewis Hamilton 2007, Manchester United 2012, Mark Webber 2010 etc). There's no guarantee that Pedrosa would be leading the title fight if he hadn't been injured; in fact, knowing Pedrosa, he'd have fluffed it somehow anyway
So basically, Marquez is easily a worthy champion.
Re: Unpopular "Other Motorsport than F1" Opinions
Posted: 12 Oct 2013, 14:46
by Ben Gilbert
takagi_for_the_win wrote:go_Rubens wrote:Similar to the situation in MotoGP, where Marquez is leading due to the injuries of Jorge Lorenzo and Dani Pedrosa. If those injuries didn't limit Pedrosa and Lorenzo, the title race would be much closer than it is now. In fact, Marquez wouldn't be leading if Lorenzo or Pedrosa weren't injured. Dani had it until his crash knocked him out of contention essentially.
What I'm saying here is Marquez doesn't deserve the title unless he wins a straight fight. Right now, he doesn't deserve it through others' misfortunes.
No.
First of all, its all too easy to say that he's only leading the championship because of others misfortunes, but you have to put yourself in the position to capitalise on misfortune in the first place. Marquez has more than done that, which is impressive regardless (how many riders do you know that could handle the pressure of fighting one of the sports greatest for the title?); the fact that he's only in his first season of MotoGP is even more amazing.
Also, Marquez has proven himself more than capable of fighting with and beating the likes of Lorenzo, Rossi and Pedrosa, the first two of which will undoubtedly be remembered as two of the best of all time, if not THE two best of all time.
Finally, you say Pedrosa had it under control before his injury; its one thing to lead a championship, winning it is a completely different ballgame (see Lewis Hamilton 2007, Manchester United 2012, Mark Webber 2010 etc). There's no guarantee that Pedrosa would be leading the title fight if he hadn't been injured; in fact, knowing Pedrosa, he'd have fluffed it somehow anyway
So basically, Marquez is easily a worthy champion.
This.
I'd also like to add that Marquez has also been injured this year; and within hours of having his shoulder re-located, he was battling for the lead with the two purported greats of this era, finished less than a tenth of a second away from the victory, and beat one of them across the line.
Re: Unpopular "Other Motorsport than F1" Opinions
Posted: 12 Oct 2013, 19:24
by Gerudo Dragon
Whelen Modified Tour cars are the best looking racecars in the world.
Re: Unpopular "Other Motorsport than F1" Opinions
Posted: 12 Oct 2013, 19:51
by roblo97
Dark77 wrote:Whelen Modified Tour cars are the best looking racecars in the world.
I, on the other hand, despise them because oh there looks. I think the look to fat at the rear and to long at the front.
Re: Unpopular "Other Motorsport than F1" Opinions
Posted: 12 Oct 2013, 20:12
by pasta_maldonado
Dark77 wrote:Whelen Modified Tour cars are the best looking racecars in the world.
Whatever it is you're smoking, I want some!
Re: Unpopular "Other Motorsport than F1" Opinions
Posted: 12 Oct 2013, 20:21
by dr-baker
roblomas52 wrote:pasta_maldonado wrote:Dark77 wrote:Whelen Modified Tour cars are the best looking racecars in the world.
Whatever it is you're smoking, I want some!
I, on the other hand, despise them because oh there looks. I think the look to fat at the rear and to long at the front.
Referring to these, I assume?
Douglas Mann likes them because of his success in them. I, however, would like to see them race in the flesh before I pass my definitive opinion.
Re: Unpopular "Other Motorsport than F1" Opinions
Posted: 12 Oct 2013, 21:21
by Onxy Wrecked
Dark77 wrote:Whelen Modified Tour cars are the best looking racecars in the world.
I think that a 1991 Lola IndyCar chassis is divine myself.
Re: Unpopular "Other Motorsport than F1" Opinions
Posted: 12 Oct 2013, 21:59
by roblo97
Onxy Wrecked wrote:Dark77 wrote:Whelen Modified Tour cars are the best looking racecars in the world.
I think that a 1991 Lola IndyCar chassis is divine myself.
Well, in my mind, those Whelen Modified Tour cars make a Ssangyong Rodius
google it if you dare look like a Ferrari F12 Berlinetta.
Re: Unpopular "Other Motorsport than F1" Opinions
Posted: 12 Oct 2013, 22:48
by watka
roblomas52 wrote:Onxy Wrecked wrote:Dark77 wrote:Whelen Modified Tour cars are the best looking racecars in the world.
I think that a 1991 Lola IndyCar chassis is divine myself.
Well, in my mind, those Whelen Modified Tour cars make a Ssangyong Rodius
google it if you dare look like a Ferrari F12 Berlinetta.
Guys, he's right. I made the mistake of googling it. I now look like this without the smile
Re: Unpopular "Other Motorsport than F1" Opinions
Posted: 13 Oct 2013, 02:33
by go_Rubens
roblomas52 wrote:a Ssangyong Rodius google it if you dare
It looks fantastic
Or does it look crashtastic?
Re: Unpopular "Other Motorsport than F1" Opinions
Posted: 13 Oct 2013, 14:05
by Onxy Wrecked
roblomas52 wrote:Onxy Wrecked wrote:Dark77 wrote:Whelen Modified Tour cars are the best looking racecars in the world.
I think that a 1991 Lola IndyCar chassis is divine myself.
Well, in my mind, those Whelen Modified Tour cars make a Ssangyong Rodius
google it if you dare look like a Ferrari F12 Berlinetta.
I concur, maybe the only car to be uglier than a Whelen Modified is a
Consulier GTP. A mish-mash of ten different cars molded into one sports car and had components of a Dodge Caravan.
Re: Unpopular "Other Motorsport than F1" Opinions
Posted: 19 Oct 2013, 04:06
by Dj_bereta
Bourdais move to KV Racing is in the same level of Fisichella going to Jordan in 2002.
Re: Unpopular "Other Motorsport than F1" Opinions
Posted: 19 Oct 2013, 21:27
by Gerudo Dragon
Being boring doesn't make a series/track bad.
Re: Unpopular "Other Motorsport than F1" Opinions
Posted: 20 Oct 2013, 23:09
by dr-baker
Dark77 wrote:Being boring doesn't make a series/track bad.
No, but it does affect people's perception of the series/racetrack, and therefore potentially the championship/circuit's long-term viability.
What other factors, in your opinion, would make a track/series bad? Poor safety?
Re: Unpopular "Other Motorsport than F1" Opinions
Posted: 21 Oct 2013, 00:50
by TomWazzleshaw
Dj_bereta wrote:Bourdais move to KV Racing is in the same level of Fisichella going to Jordan in 2002.
What series have you been watching? All Dragon Racing have done this year is screw it up when Bourdais has been in a position to win, while KV won the 500 with TK, and have had some exceptional runs at other places as well. There is a reason Jay Penske's mob have nothing to do with Roger's team...
Re: Unpopular "Other Motorsport than F1" Opinions
Posted: 21 Oct 2013, 02:07
by Salamander
Wizzie wrote:Dj_bereta wrote:Bourdais move to KV Racing is in the same level of Fisichella going to Jordan in 2002.
What series have you been watching? All Dragon Racing have done this year is screw it up when Bourdais has been in a position to win, while KV won the 500 with TK, and have had some exceptional runs at other places as well. There is a reason Jay Penske's mob have nothing to do with Roger's team...
Remember, this is the same team that thinks having Sebastian Saavedra drive for them is a perfectly sound decision.
Re: Unpopular "Other Motorsport than F1" Opinions
Posted: 21 Oct 2013, 02:27
by Onxy Wrecked
Salamander wrote:Wizzie wrote:Dj_bereta wrote:Bourdais move to KV Racing is in the same level of Fisichella going to Jordan in 2002.
What series have you been watching? All Dragon Racing have done this year is screw it up when Bourdais has been in a position to win, while KV won the 500 with TK, and have had some exceptional runs at other places as well. There is a reason Jay Penske's mob have nothing to do with Roger's team...
Remember, this is the same team that thinks having Sebastian Saavedra drive for them is a perfectly sound decision.
As long as Saavedra pays it's okay! Oh, that sounds like Dale Coyne back in the day.
Re: Unpopular "Other Motorsport than F1" Opinions
Posted: 21 Oct 2013, 02:48
by TomWazzleshaw
Onxy Wrecked wrote:Salamander wrote:Wizzie wrote:What series have you been watching? All Dragon Racing have done this year is screw it up when Bourdais has been in a position to win, while KV won the 500 with TK, and have had some exceptional runs at other places as well. There is a reason Jay Penske's mob have nothing to do with Roger's team...
Remember, this is the same team that thinks having Sebastian Saavedra drive for them is a perfectly sound decision.
As long as Saavedra pays it's okay! Oh, that sounds like Dale Coyne back in the day.
Back in the day? I thought they were still doing it now with the second car. I mean, how else are they supposed to pay Wilson's wages?
Re: Unpopular "Other Motorsport than F1" Opinions
Posted: 21 Oct 2013, 03:04
by apple2009
Dark77 wrote:Whelen Modified Tour cars are the best looking racecars in the world.
I think they look nice, not the best looking though.
I still have memories of driving those on NASCAR 08.
Re: Unpopular "Other Motorsport than F1" Opinions
Posted: 22 Oct 2013, 14:07
by Dj_bereta
Wizzie wrote:Dj_bereta wrote:Bourdais move to KV Racing is in the same level of Fisichella going to Jordan in 2002.
What series have you been watching? All Dragon Racing have done this year is screw it up when Bourdais has been in a position to win, while KV won the 500 with TK, and have had some exceptional runs at other places as well. There is a reason Jay Penske's mob have nothing to do with Roger's team...
The same KV that leaves TK out of fuel in your home race. Also, TK is always strong in Indy 500 and knows how setup the car for this race. Not saying its only TK merit for the victory, but... look at Simona's race. In other hand, Dragon improved in the last races and Bourdais was often fighting with the front runners. I expect Dragon 2014 season, like Renault 2002 season (of course, if the team manage to find some good driver, not another Saavedra
). And KV, I don't expect improvements.
Re: Unpopular "Other Motorsport than F1" Opinions
Posted: 24 Oct 2013, 02:06
by go_Rubens
dr-baker wrote:Dark77 wrote:Being boring doesn't make a series/track bad.
No, but it does affect people's perception of the series/racetrack, and therefore potentially the championship/circuit's long-term viability.
What other factors, in your opinion, would make a track/series bad? Poor safety?
A lot of the time a race track has a benefit. In F1, for example, the tracks in most countries provide a lump sum of money to allow a race there. Money is the reason why some of the classic tracks are here now, and some tracks that are newer are here.
In other series, money isn't as relevant by the looks of things. So benefits are harder to find and people will keep on generalizing some tracks as bad. The same for a racing series. People don't have a strong liking for Sprint Car racing because of the poor safety record, but there is great racing to compromise for that.
Honestly, people have their opinions, and we live by our own opinions. If we think a series is bad or a track is bad, it's our opinion to think that. I don't have a strong liking for NASCAR, but the series itself and the racing isn't
bad.. So I don't tend to refer to something as
bad.
Re: Unpopular "Other Motorsport than F1" Opinions
Posted: 24 Oct 2013, 09:34
by Liquid
John Bintcliffe was unlucky in the BTCC.
Re: Unpopular "Other Motorsport than F1" Opinions
Posted: 31 Oct 2013, 04:22
by Gerudo Dragon
90s F1 isn't the worst thing ever.
Re: Unpopular "Other Motorsport than F1" Opinions
Posted: 31 Oct 2013, 04:57
by UncreativeUsername37
Dark77 wrote:90s F1 isn't the worst thing ever.
go_Rubens wrote:Unpopular "Other Motorsport than F1" Opinions
Re: Unpopular "Other Motorsport than F1" Opinions
Posted: 31 Oct 2013, 05:30
by Gerudo Dragon
Re: Unpopular "Other Motorsport than F1" Opinions
Posted: 31 Oct 2013, 06:22
by wsrgo
Muller will thrash Loeb in 2014. No, not thrash, hammer. Or maybe steamroll.
Re: Unpopular "Other Motorsport than F1" Opinions
Posted: 05 Nov 2013, 00:03
by Gerudo Dragon
1998 was the best BTCC season ever.
Re: Unpopular "Other Motorsport than F1" Opinions
Posted: 05 Nov 2013, 02:50
by TomWazzleshaw
The Erebus V8 Supercar is THE best sounding racing car in the world right now.
Just listen to that thing go
