Grand Prix Rejects

Simtek wrote:

tBone wrote:

Gene Haas wrote:If we prove that we can be successful maybe that would be a model of how you start up. But, to have someone like Caterham and Marussia, where they just started with nothing, that just doesn't work.

At GPUpdate, Gene Haas seems pretty convinced his approach is better than Caterham's and Marussia's was. Will he be more successful than those two?

I think they will be financially more stable, but I have my doubts about their performance. Surely the customer parts will not be as good as the works parts and with the small differences between teams on the grid, they might not be good enough.

He's beginning to sound like Craig Pollock with his unsubstantiated claims (although still nowhere near as bad). Next season's going to be fun.

Simtek wrote:

tBone wrote:

Gene Haas wrote:If we prove that we can be successful maybe that would be a model of how you start up. But, to have someone like Caterham and Marussia, where they just started with nothing, that just doesn't work.

At GPUpdate, Gene Haas seems pretty convinced his approach is better than Caterham's and Marussia's was. Will he be more successful than those two?

I think they will be financially more stable, but I have my doubts about their performance. Surely the customer parts will not be as good as the works parts and with the small differences between teams on the grid, they might not be good enough.

He's beginning to sound like Craig Pollock with his unsubstantiated claims (although still nowhere near as bad). Next season's going to be fun.

tBone wrote:

Simtek wrote:He's beginning to sound like Craig Pollock with his unsubstantiated claims (although still nowhere near as bad). Next season's going to be fun.

I even get a slight US GPE/US F1 feeling somehow. Is José-Maria Lopez already in the picture?

Salamander wrote:

tBone wrote:

Simtek wrote:He's beginning to sound like Craig Pollock with his unsubstantiated claims (although still nowhere near as bad). Next season's going to be fun.

I even get a slight US GPE/US F1 feeling somehow. Is José-Maria Lopez already in the picture?

Can one of you explain to me where you're getting these feelings because I'm really not seeing anything that's absurdly ridiculous like you seem to think there is?

Salamander wrote:

tBone wrote:

Simtek wrote:He's beginning to sound like Craig Pollock with his unsubstantiated claims (although still nowhere near as bad). Next season's going to be fun.

I even get a slight US GPE/US F1 feeling somehow. Is José-Maria Lopez already in the picture?

Can one of you explain to me where you're getting these feelings because I'm really not seeing anything that's absurdly ridiculous like you seem to think there is?

tBone wrote:For me, it probably has a lot to do with Haas being an American team that is going to do it all differently and better. At least, that's kind of what they say.

Simtek wrote:I just feel that Haas, who has no previous F1 experience (that I'm aware of) is not really in a position to say "we're doing better than Marussia and Caterham". It doesn't come across perhaps as he intended (true though it may be). As I said above it's nowhere near as bad as Craig Pollock, that's just what it sort of reminded me of. And as tBone said, his talk of being an American team is a little bit annoying (although he doesn't take it to Don Pentecost levels, at least).

Salamander wrote:Well, what else do you expect Haas to say? That they're going to go bankrupt within 5 years like Caterham, Marussia and HRT did? Hell, he didn't even say that they're doing better right now, just that he doesn't think their model was at all feasible, and that if Haas F1 was successful, then maybe that would be a good model for future new teams. In terms of performance, their goals for the first few seasons are just to survive.

GPUpdate wrote:Haas says he no longer expects F1 supremo Bernie Ecclestone to allow start-up teams, and is confident that his approach will yield better results.

AndreaModa wrote:What's so different about Haas' model compared to that of Marussia, and especially Caterham? The latter also had a wealthy backer behind who at the start at least was 100% committed to making the team successful. Both later agreed significant technical partnerships with bigger teams (Red Bull in the case of Caterham, and McLaren in the case of Marussia). And neither tried to make a team operate out of two separate locations on the other side of the world.

AndreaModa wrote:What's so different about Haas' model compared to that of Marussia, and especially Caterham? The latter also had a wealthy backer behind who at the start at least was 100% committed to making the team successful. Both later agreed significant technical partnerships with bigger teams (Red Bull in the case of Caterham, and McLaren in the case of Marussia). And neither tried to make a team operate out of two separate locations on the other side of the world.

Donald J. Pentecost III, Jr. wrote:Now look here, y'all little varmints. Gene Haas is a goddamn FAKE! Y'all know he ain't doin' this THE 'MURICAN WAY! Not drivin' his own car like a TRUE 'MURICAN like ME! Buyin' a factory in limey-land that belonged to some GODDAMN COMMIES IN ROOSKIE-LAND! I say we oughta take away his passp... posp... (Myrtle? What d'y'all call that little book what lets us leave our glorious country and lets us go an' laugh at those poor commies in Yurop...) passport! (Why y'all need one o' those is beyond me, I tell yuh.) Gene Haas y'all are a TRAITOR an' a COMMIE! Build y'all's factory in 'MURICA like a TRUE 'MURICAN! And build y'all's car outta 'MURICAN STEEL from... Pittsburgh? Goddamn northern unionists. And get y'allself a TRUE 'MURICAN ENGINE, the rootin'est, tootin'est pushrod V8 from DETROIT! Oh, wait, that's full o' unionists as well. Goddamn it. Hey, y'all, great idea! God damn it! Dear Lord, please can y'all send one o' those vole-canoes to Pittsburgh an' Detroit, like y'all did from Icy-land that made those commies in Yurop all cry like little girls an' have to stay in their own goddamn countries an' act like TRUE 'MURICANS. And y'all can use y'all's divine power to make them move their factories to somewhere TRULY 'MURICAN like, say, SCOTTSDALE, ARIZONA where we don't want no immuh-grints. Ayyyyyyyyyy-men. Yeeeeeeeeee-haaaaaaaaw! Let's see how y'all like THAT, Gene Haas! With THE LORD ON MUH SIDE I will BEAT YO' ASS and I, DON PENTECOST, WILL BE THE OLDEST CHAMPEEN EVER OF FORMULA ONE, A REGISTERED TRADEMARK OF THE FORMULA ONE CORPORATION OF 'MURICUH SPONSORED BY DON'S SCOTTSDALE MINISTRY, A REGISTERED TRADEMARK OF... UH... GOD! I will crush y'all, Gene Haas, I will crush all the other goddamn commie teams from Yurop, and I will open the biggest can o' whoopass on Formula One Rejects, a registered trademark o' the Formula One Rejects corporation o' Scotchland, or New Seal-land, or wherever those assholes come from that isn't 'Muricuh. God bless 'Muricuh, y'all! Ooooooooh saaaaaaay can you seeeeeeee, that the gun in muuuuuuuh haaaaaand...

Haas said he would like his cars to stand out when they hit the grid.

"We would love to have a car in line with the company's image," said Haas, whose corporate logo is actually red and silver.

"But it needs to be good, too, because all these cars in silver or grey appear almost identical to each other.

"I would like a colour that makes us distinguishable," said the Californian. "I do like yellow."

Simtek wrote:

Haas said he would like his cars to stand out when they hit the grid.

"We would love to have a car in line with the company's image," said Haas, whose corporate logo is actually red and silver.

"But it needs to be good, too, because all these cars in silver or grey appear almost identical to each other.

"I would like a colour that makes us distinguishable," said the Californian. "I do like yellow."

Take note, Ron Dennis...

golic_2004 wrote:http://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/haas-plans-yellow-livery-for-2016-team-report

Can you say "Jordan"?

golic_2004 wrote:http://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/haas-plans-yellow-livery-for-2016-team-report

Can you say "Jordan"?

dinizintheoven wrote:

golic_2004 wrote:http://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/haas-plans-yellow-livery-for-2016-team-report

Can you say "Jordan"?

No. I can't. Forza Coloni!

dr-baker wrote:

dinizintheoven wrote:

golic_2004 wrote:http://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/haas-plans-yellow-livery-for-2016-team-report

Can you say "Jordan"?

No. I can't. Forza Coloni!

Neither can I. Forza Forti Corse!

Biscione wrote:BREAKING NEWS: Haas unveils 2016 livery concept renderings

Biscione wrote:BREAKING NEWS: Haas unveils 2016 livery concept renderings

tommykl wrote:Can you say "Jordan"?
No. I can't. Forza Coloni!


Neither can I. Forza Forti Corse!

Simtek wrote:One more before bed: The Minardi M02, as driven by Gastón Mazzacane.

Dj_bereta wrote:

Simtek wrote:One more before bed: The Minardi M02, as driven by Gastón Mazzacane.
[M02]

But lime green isn't yellow.

Biscione wrote:BREAKING NEWS: Haas unveils 2016 livery concept renderings

gnrpoison wrote:We know what is happening with Haas and with a Manor comeback almost there, what is happening with Forza Rossa be nice to have 24 cars for 2016.

mario wrote:

gnrpoison wrote:We know what is happening with Haas and with a Manor comeback almost there, what is happening with Forza Rossa be nice to have 24 cars for 2016.

The Forza Rossa bid appears to have more or less vanished, to the point where I've seen some parties wonder if there was anything behind the bid in the first place.

Wallio wrote:Gunter Snyder sat down with the NBC boys to talk about Haas F1. The team actually has THREE bases the third being in Italy. Danica seems to be out (thank GOD) but worryingly Snyder said that Ferrari is building 60%-70% of the car! Wth?

Machett claims he has toured the factility in NC and says it's pretty much done.

Ataxia wrote:

Wallio wrote:Gunter Snyder sat down with the NBC boys to talk about Haas F1. The team actually has THREE bases the third being in Italy. Danica seems to be out (thank GOD) but worryingly Snyder said that Ferrari is building 60%-70% of the car! Wth?

Machett claims he has toured the factility in NC and says it's pretty much done.

Gunther Steiner, I presume?

Let's break it down; Haas have their design base in Kannapolis, their race base in Banbury and I'm assuming the way you've worded it a holding bay for their car in Italy, since Dallara are doing the chassis and Ferrari are providing a lot of the internals. I don't see why you're aghast at that; Ferrari helping them out means that they'll have a strong idea of what's required to be at the front of the grid long-term, rather than have to guess like the previous new teams have had to (and fall way wide of the mark).

It's a smart way for Haas to do it; no point in trying to do everything yourself from the very beginning. They can analyse each component and work out a way to develop their own with the resource they have back in the US.