Rantbox

[CoopsII]

Somebody winning one race does not constitute a XXXXXXWINSLOL trend about them

I dont even understand all that guff.

[andrew2209]

1 lap shootouts should NEVER decide a grid in my opinion. Too much risk of something like rain, a driver kicking dust onto the track, or a temperature change to affect the order without the driver even getting on track.

[go_Rubens]

Why do I always bathplug up all my posts

You don't bathplug up all your posts. You need to stop putting yourself down.

1 lap shootouts should NEVER decide a grid in my opinion. Too much risk of something like rain, a driver kicking dust onto the track, or a temperature change to affect the order without the driver even getting on track.

I'd like to see one lap quali again. You could have gotten situations like France 2003 where the backmarkers got high grid spots in hand after Friday qualifying. Imagine if that was the real qualifying instead of the first Friday session, and the Minardis would have had a front row lockout

[good_Ralf]

I'd like to see one lap quali again. You could have gotten situations like France 2003 where the backmarkers got high grid spots in hand after Friday qualifying. Imagine if that was the real qualifying instead of the first Friday session, and the Minardis would have had a front row lockout

I agree with your statement. As I mentioned before, Q1 and Q2 should go ahead as normal but Q3 should be turned into a one lap shootout, with the order of the cars going out being based on the reverse result in Q2. It may not be as exciting as before but if you crash or spin on your hot lap you only start 10th or 9th in the case of penalties.

I'm hopefully getting a PS3 soon so I can use the F1TV mode on F1 Championship Edition (2006). You can use the F1TV mode to produce any grid order you like and then you watch a race completely decided by AI drivers. When everything is sorted out, I'll have Super Aguris on the front row or because they're quite pretty, the Williams cars as well. I'll try to post the results on the forum for those who are interested.

[go_Rubens]

I dont even understand all that guff.

I don't want to understand it. But I do understand it. It's point is to tire people out of Vettel winning while being rather pointless at predicting results beforehand

[SgtPepper]

I'm hopefully getting a PS3 soon so I can use the F1TV mode on F1 Championship Edition (2006). You can use the F1TV mode to produce any grid order you like and then you watch a race completely decided by AI drivers. When everything is sorted out, I'll have Super Aguris on the front row or because they're quite pretty, the Williams cars as well. I'll try to post the results on the forum for those who are interested.

Was just playing this game, though still working painfully slowly through the career mode (you have to do about 10 quite difficult testing sessions to just get a drive), such a shame it's no longer online. It's also interesting feeling the difference between that and F1 2011 - I can't tell if the older cars understeered more, or if it's just the game engine differences. Weren't cars narrower/longer back in those days?

[WeirdKerr]

I'm hopefully getting a PS3 soon so I can use the F1TV mode on F1 Championship Edition (2006). You can use the F1TV mode to produce any grid order you like and then you watch a race completely decided by AI drivers. When everything is sorted out, I'll have Super Aguris on the front row or because they're quite pretty, the Williams cars as well. I'll try to post the results on the forum for those who are interested.

Was just playing this game, though still working painfully slowly through the career mode (you have to do about 10 quite difficult testing sessions to just get a drive), such a shame it's no longer online. It's also interesting feeling the difference between that and F1 2011 - I can't tell if the older cars understeered more, or if it's just the game engine differences. Weren't cars narrower/longer back in those days?

Grooved tyres

[mario]

I'm hopefully getting a PS3 soon so I can use the F1TV mode on F1 Championship Edition (2006). You can use the F1TV mode to produce any grid order you like and then you watch a race completely decided by AI drivers. When everything is sorted out, I'll have Super Aguris on the front row or because they're quite pretty, the Williams cars as well. I'll try to post the results on the forum for those who are interested.

Was just playing this game, though still working painfully slowly through the career mode (you have to do about 10 quite difficult testing sessions to just get a drive), such a shame it's no longer online. It's also interesting feeling the difference between that and F1 2011 - I can't tell if the older cars understeered more, or if it's just the game engine differences. Weren't cars narrower/longer back in those days?

Grooved tyres

Pretty much - I recall Bridgestone commenting that they expected the improvement in front grip to be higher than at the rear due to the fact that the grooves in the tyres were the same width at the front and back but, with the front tyres being narrower, the resultant change in contact patch would be larger for the front than the rear of the car.

[Gerudo Dragon]

Let's face it: Vettel's won the title unless he gets injured. This is the same driver and team who have won the title in the past 3 years with pretty much no changes to the team or to the rules. 2014 might be different due to the new engines but this year has already been won.

[pi314159]

Let's face it: Vettel's won the title unless he gets injured. This is the same driver and team who have won the title in the past 3 years with pretty much no changes to the team or to the rules. 2014 might be different due to the new engines but this year has already been won.

No, no, no! There are 9 of 19 races remaining. And I'm fed up with you complaining about Vettel winning. Just one crash for Vettel and the championship is open again. Yes, at the moment he is most likely to winthe title, but it's just slightly more than half of the season over.

[WeirdKerr]

Let's face it: Vettel's won the title unless he gets injured. This is the same driver and team who have won the title in the past 3 years with pretty much no changes to the team or to the rules. 2014 might be different due to the new engines but this year has already been won.

No, no, no! There are 9 of 19 races remaining. And I'm fed up with you complaining about Vettel winning. Just one crash for Vettel and the championship is open again. Yes, at the moment he is most likely to winthe title, but it's just slightly more than half of the season over.

Grrrrrrjjjjnnnn, your mission should you choose to accept it, is to take out vettel.....


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[good_Ralf]

Grrrrrrjjjjnnnn, your mission should you choose to accept it, is to take out vettel.....

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5 minutes and its still here.

[takagi_for_the_win]

Grrrrrrjjjjnnnn, your mission should you choose to accept it, is to take out vettel.....

Noooooooooooo, why would you wish this on Rrrrrrrmmmmrrrrn Grrrrrjjjjjjnnnnn? Surely this is a job for the Pastor of Disaster?

[dr-baker]

Grrrrrrjjjjnnnn, your mission should you choose to accept it, is to take out vettel.....

Noooooooooooo, why would you wish this on Rrrrrrrmmmmrrrrn Grrrrrjjjjjjnnnnn? Surely this is a job for the Pastor of Disaster?

Hey, why not let them work together towards that aim?

[GwilymJJames]

I do not find humour in people joking about drivers deliberately attempting to injure other drivers. One example of this is China, when Webber lost his wheel and the commentators joked that he had tried to release it so it hit Vettel, which if it had actually happened, could have killed him.

[PT8475]

I do not find humour in people joking about drivers deliberately attempting to injure other drivers. One example of this is China, when Webber lost his wheel and the commentators joked that he had tried to release it so it hit Vettel, which if it had actually happened, could have killed him.

For god's sake, lighten up a little bit...

[mario]

Let's face it: Vettel's won the title unless he gets injured. This is the same driver and team who have won the title in the past 3 years with pretty much no changes to the team or to the rules. 2014 might be different due to the new engines but this year has already been won.

No, no, no! There are 9 of 19 races remaining. And I'm fed up with you complaining about Vettel winning. Just one crash for Vettel and the championship is open again. Yes, at the moment he is most likely to winthe title, but it's just slightly more than half of the season over.

It would take a fairly substantial reversal of fortunes given how consistently competitive Vettel has been, but it is true that it isn't completely impossible that he could be caught. For that to happen, though, one of his competitors - Alonso, Kimi or Hamilton - will need to establish themselves as the most consistent threat to him possible, and at the moment that looks difficult.
Alonso and Kimi have the consistency, but Ferrari are fading in the development race and Boullier has admitted that Lotus are pessimistic that they can keep up with Red Bull's development rate (he reckons that only Red Bull can afford to run their 2013 and 2014 development projects at full capacity simultaneously). Hamilton and Mercedes have been on the up this year, but at the same time he is the worst placed in the WDC of those three and there is still some uncertainly over whether Mercedes have definitely cracked their tyre problems with the new tyres that have been brought in. Kimi and Hamilton might be the better placed given that Ferrari seem to be drifting backwards and Alonso cannot lift the team the way he did in 2012, but even so I can see those two taking more points off each other than Vettel for now.

[go_Rubens]

The VETTELWINSLOL nonsense needs to bathplug off. I'd rather sink all of my five grand into new slalom paddling gear when I don't need it rather than read this nonsense

[watka]

To summarise: Vettel does not have the championship sewn up yet, but he has been the fastest and most consistent driver so far and therefore is in a very strong position meaning that if current trends continue he will not be caught.

[Jocke1]

F1 qualifying and MotoGP qualifying at the same time

[pasta_maldonado]

F1 qualifying and MotoGP qualifying at the same time

Simple: watch F1. Wait, was there even a problem here?

To make things clear it's four wheels or nothing for me. And I'd watch F1 over anything, even a suprise 11th series of Red Dwarf or even season 4 of Game of Thrones....

Two of my favourite ever TV shows.

[sswishbone]

Well according to the BBC Michelin are being proposed as manufacturers for next year's tyres and I want to rant about the whole shebang. Pirelli came into the sport and were told, make tyres that degrade. So they did and as a result races have experienced changes in the field because tyre management and car design have actually had to work around the problem.

This season, the failures at Silverstone were bad so I understand concerns about the safety of the tyres. But to not have this sewn up before such a late point this season is absolutely stupid. If Pirelli weren't doing a good enough job, tell them early on sort it out or we not negotiating any potential contract. That would have made them be more pro-active, instead we have this back door nonsense where Michelin now want to enter the sport again despite stating they are against single tyre manufacturer series! Whole thing is madness

[mario]

Well according to the BBC Michelin are being proposed as manufacturers for next year's tyres and I want to rant about the whole shebang. Pirelli came into the sport and were told, make tyres that degrade. So they did and as a result races have experienced changes in the field because tyre management and car design have actually had to work around the problem.

This season, the failures at Silverstone were bad so I understand concerns about the safety of the tyres. But to not have this sewn up before such a late point this season is absolutely stupid. If Pirelli weren't doing a good enough job, tell them early on sort it out or we not negotiating any potential contract. That would have made them be more pro-active, instead we have this back door nonsense where Michelin now want to enter the sport again despite stating they are against single tyre manufacturer series! Whole thing is madness

Benson, for what it is worth, did comment that one team boss had told him that the teams were "fed up with Todt sitting on his backside" over the 2014 tyre contract. If he wants to force a change from one supplier to another, then, unless he has been steadily feeding information to Michelin, it is hard to see how Michelin can produce a suitable tyre within only a handful of months, and the teams are going to be extremely annoyed about a last minute change in tyres when they have been optimising their cars around the information provided by Pirelli about their 2014 spec tyres.

The other thing about the story that really worries me is the suggestion that they want to use their slick intermediate tyres - an intermediate tyre with no treat at all - in F1. The thing is, they tried it in the WEC when they brought that tyre in for Le Mans, and according to the crew on Eurosport and Radio Le Mans it received universal criticism from the drivers - a lot of the drivers complained about unpredictable losses in grip and erratic behaviour (I believe that one driver crashed quite heavily in the free practise sessions when using that tyre), and most of them refused point blank to use it as they considered it to be unsafe.

[Eifelland]

Well according to the BBC Michelin are being proposed as manufacturers for next year's tyres and I want to rant about the whole shebang. Pirelli came into the sport and were told, make tyres that degrade. So they did and as a result races have experienced changes in the field because tyre management and car design have actually had to work around the problem.

This season, the failures at Silverstone were bad so I understand concerns about the safety of the tyres. But to not have this sewn up before such a late point this season is absolutely stupid. If Pirelli weren't doing a good enough job, tell them early on sort it out or we not negotiating any potential contract. That would have made them be more pro-active, instead we have this back door nonsense where Michelin now want to enter the sport again despite stating they are against single tyre manufacturer series! Whole thing is madness

This. I think Pirelli did what they were asked to. The teams will complain, because it makes their job harder, but Webber going 'WE WON'T ACCEPT IT WAS DEBRIS' (when it was debris), is symptomatic of what has happened with tyres this season. As a spectator, the whole frequent pitstops thing is quite exciting.

[tommykl]

or even season 4 of Game of Thrones....

Want to know what happens?

[Alextrax52]

The VETTELWINSLOL nonsense needs to bathplug off. I'd rather sink all of my five grand into new slalom paddling gear when I don't need it rather than read this nonsense

Hello everybody i'm back after 10 days in Berwick (although i got some Wi-Fi)

I'm going to add my 2 cents to this: I agree. If there's one thing that winds me up it's people writing things off as a Vettel win before the weekend has even started. If Vettel does lead then people start using the Grand Prix Discussion threads to Whinge and Moan and Cry like petulant 5 year olds about Vettel winning. What's the point of discussing Grand Prix's with someone who's going to moan about Vettel winning. Take a look at some of these comments in other threads

Has anyone got any Voodoo dolls of Vettels car?

Or could eytl doing an report on Vettel's luck?

If they take Vettel out they are forgiven

That comment took the piss for me. Why would you want to wish a dangerous thing like that on a Driver just because he wins all the time? It's downright disgusting and it stops NOW!!!!

[good_Ralf]

That comment took the piss for me. Why would you want to wish a dangerous thing like that on a Driver just because he wins all the time? It's downright disgusting and it stops NOW!!!!

Reading what you said Freeze-O-Kimi apologies but you do get frustrated about the same driver winning a lot of the time, even if he is good at his job.

[go_Rubens]

That comment took the piss for me. Why would you want to wish a dangerous thing like that on a Driver just because he wins all the time? It's downright disgusting and it stops NOW!!!!

Reading what you said Freeze-O-Kimi apologies but you do get frustrated about the same driver winning a lot of the time, even if he is good at his job.

Vettel is a good driver. But he doesn't win every race. But when he does, it is in a very dominant form, one that only Red Bull can seem to manage to achieve. I think that is what makes people frustrated with his winning, because it makes the action slightly boring. Most people like seeing great battles for the lead. I do as well. But the action torwards the back of the grid is good as well, right? Don't focus on the front of the grid as much. WE ARE F1 REJECTS!

[SgtPepper]

I am neither an Alonso nor a Ferrari fan in the slightest, but it seems sad that the such a truly great driver seems increasingly unlikely to win a championship with such an esteemed team.

[good_Ralf]

I am neither an Alonso nor a Ferrari fan in the slightest, but it seems sad that the such a truly great driver seems increasingly unlikely to win a championship with such an esteemed team.

The same could be said of Button and Raikkonen at McLaren and once again it wasn't entirely their fault.

[SgtPepper]

I am neither an Alonso nor a Ferrari fan in the slightest, but it seems sad that the such a truly great driver seems increasingly unlikely to win a championship with such an esteemed team.

The same could be said of Button and Raikkonen at McLaren and once again it wasn't entirely their fault.

I would've really liked to see those two win championships at Mclaren, particularly Kimi but there's always a sodding German in a vastly superior car ruining all the fun (and speaking of which, it seems silly that Hamilton and Kimi only have one championship apiece) but I'm more referring to how I suspect the 2014 regulation changes will pan out - i.e not as much of a radical shake up as some predict. Although we can never know obviously, I suspect that the Newey domination will continue unabounded, though I am also happy to be proven wrong - the teams with the most resources and best resources will probably continue roughly in their current status-quo. Plus Alonso's getting on a bit now.

Ah well.

[Eifelland]

The VETTELWINSLOL nonsense needs to bathplug off. I'd rather sink all of my five grand into new slalom paddling gear when I don't need it rather than read this nonsense

Hello everybody i'm back after 10 days in Berwick (although i got some Wi-Fi)

I'm going to add my 2 cents to this: I agree. If there's one thing that winds me up it's people writing things off as a Vettel win before the weekend has even started. If Vettel does lead then people start using the Grand Prix Discussion threads to Whinge and Moan and Cry like petulant 5 year olds about Vettel winning. What's the point of discussing Grand Prix's with someone who's going to moan about Vettel winning. Take a look at some of these comments in other threads

Has anyone got any Voodoo dolls of Vettels car?

Or could eytl doing an report on Vettel's luck?

If they take Vettel out they are forgiven

That comment took the piss for me. Why would you want to wish a dangerous thing like that on a Driver just because he wins all the time? It's downright disgusting and it stops NOW!!!!

I'm really glad this is coming to an end - I've lurked here since about 2007, which is quite a long time, and recently the sheer amount of hate on the site for anyone looking successful who wasn't idolised on here was getting me down, to the point where I was logging on less and less.

It's quite hard for F1 Rejects at the moment, given the comparative lack of rejects currently racing, but we're not F1SuccessHaters.com (catchy title, I know), so can we not gnash our teeth when actually, it's quite exciting that Schumacher and his many records may come tumbling down 50 years sooner than anyone predicted.

[DonTirri]

The hate Vettel is getting really stems from one thing. Or atleast a large part of it in this particular community: The fact that his teammate is everyones favorite Australian.

No, seriously.

And if you think Vettel's or even Schuey's total dominance is something new to the sport... Jackie Stewart's 70's dominance makes the racing today seem close. Not to mention Fangio in the fifties. Or what about the 88 season with two mclarens winning everything?

You all act like a driver absolutely dominating is a new thing. It isn't. Everyone just has their panties in a bunch because its a Red Bull driver not named Webber.

If you whine about VETTELWINSLOL, yet you keep revering Senna or Prost even though their era was basically SENNAORPROSTWINSLOL

And to think I get slammed for dissing Hamilton and Alonso, while this Vettel-crap is getting a free pass... F1Hypocrites anyone?

[Salamander]

The hate Vettel is getting really stems from one thing. Or atleast a large part of it in this particular community: The fact that his teammate is everyones favorite Australian.

No, seriously.

And if you think Vettel's or even Schuey's total dominance is something new to the sport... Jackie Stewart's 70's dominance makes the racing today seem close. Not to mention Fangio in the fifties. Or what about the 88 season with two mclarens winning everything?

You all act like a driver absolutely dominating is a new thing. It isn't. Everyone just has their panties in a bunch because its a Red Bull driver not named Webber.

If you whine about VETTELWINSLOL, yet you keep revering Senna or Prost even though their era was basically SENNAORPROSTWINSLOL

And to think I get slammed for dissing Hamilton and Alonso, while this Vettel-crap is getting a free pass... F1Hypocrites anyone?

It isn't. I'm sick of this crap too. But complaining about it won't change anything - it hasn't stopped you from dissing Hamilton and Alonso.

[SgtPepper]

The hate Vettel is getting really stems from one thing. Or atleast a large part of it in this particular community: The fact that his teammate is everyones favorite Australian.

No, seriously.

And if you think Vettel's or even Schuey's total dominance is something new to the sport... Jackie Stewart's 70's dominance makes the racing today seem close. Not to mention Fangio in the fifties. Or what about the 88 season with two mclarens winning everything?

You all act like a driver absolutely dominating is a new thing. It isn't. Everyone just has their panties in a bunch because its a Red Bull driver not named Webber.

If you whine about VETTELWINSLOL, yet you keep revering Senna or Prost even though their era was basically SENNAORPROSTWINSLOL

And to think I get slammed for dissing Hamilton and Alonso, while this Vettel-crap is getting a free pass... F1Hypocrites anyone?

The '88 season was having Alonso and Hamilton (or Kimi) in the Mclaren - i.e the two best drivers on the grid, in the same car. Yes, you know which team will win, but not which driver. In a way I actually prefer that, and although I'm aware Prost occasionally got given inferior engines due to Senna's Japanese ties etc etc, there was a stark contrast between two very differing mindsets, styles and personalities. It was a purely driver's championship. Since mid-2009 it's been the Adrian-Newey-Show, and I understand that people complaining about that might become wearisome, but it is also a legitimate gripe as well. I think at the end of the day the separation comes from those who admire the technical achievements of Red Bull, and are interested in records and car development and whatnot, or those who are more inclined towards seeing differing personalities go at it at very high speed.

Webber's popularity, and Vettel's extreme unlikableness (is that a word) and highly questionable 'talents' merely rub salt into the wounds of that latter group (myself included), but that's my two cents for why I feel F1 fans are so divided over the issue.

[Klon]

The '88 season was having Alonso and Hamilton (or Kimi) in the Mclaren - i.e the two best drivers on the grid, in the same car. Yes, you know which team will win, but not which driver. In a way I actually prefer that, and although I'm aware Prost occasionally got given inferior engines due to Senna's Japanese ties etc etc, there was a stark contrast between two very differing mindsets, styles and personalities. It was a purely driver's championship.

Since mid-2009 it's been the Adrian-Newey-Show, and I understand that people complaining about that might become wearisome, but it is also a legitimate gripe as well. I think at the end of the day the separation comes from those who admire the technical achievements of Red Bull, and are interested in records and car development and whatnot, or those who are more inclined towards seeing differing personalities go at it at very high speed.[/quote]

So basically your problem boils down to Vettel swiftly kicking Webber's backside ever since late 2010? Therefore when Vettel would beat a team mate that is supposedly top-of-the-class (how much that counts, you can see at Mark Webber's 2011 - 2 to 16 poles compared to Vettel - and Mark Webber, had before he was joined by Vettel at RBR, a reputation as one of the best qualifiers in the field, but I'm going off on a tangent here) he would gain the fandom's respect? For some reason, I don't see that happening. People would still moan about how Vettel's dominating the sport despite sucking so hard and only having the best car blah blah blah...

DonTirri has brought up the right examples but drawn the wrong conclusion: it is not that Vettel is beating Webber that is the problem, but people just forgetting that most of the races in the times that he mentioned were not that thrilling to begin with and people are driven to think of those times as "purer", "more competitive" racing due to only having seen the highlights (why talk about the mess that was the 1986 Austrian Grand Prix if you can point to the glorious 1986 Australian Grand Prix? I mean, it's only two letters you have to add.) and irrational nostaglia by older fans - the same principles the Church of Senna operates under, but that is a completely different story.

[go_Rubens]

And to think I get slammed for dissing Hamilton and Alonso, while this Vettel-crap is getting a free pass... F1Hypocrites anyone?

A lot of Vettel-Crap-Gate is not being given a free pass anymore by the looks of it, which is a good thing. He is the only driver who gets hate like this so often. But I wouldn't say anyone is a hypocrite except for a few people who will not be named. The fact of the matter is, people like to see close racing these days or close championship fights, and the era of F1 since 2009 has been largely the team who has Adrian Newey dominating. Red Bull, obviously. But this isn't the first time a team has dominated so much in F1 history. But I have a feeling some people must not have watched F1 long enough to know what a really dominant F1 season is like before Red Bull hit full-stride, and this may be the leading cause of the Vettel hate here, because they saw rather proper battles for the championship, even if McLaren and Ferrari ran away from everyone else. Since these people can't seem to stand seeing a dominant season and boring races, they take out their feelings on the forums when they really should keep their thoughts and feelings to themselves. This is what I think is the leading cause of the you-know-what.

Another may be that people don't exactly seek good championship fights, but exciting racing in the races on the calendar. But this has a downside to it as well. People now look for different results and race winners. They look for diversity, and these days they don't get a whole lot of it. Especially if Red Bull is up front half the time. With this, people get tired of a single person dominating or winning half of the races, and hence both sides come to the Zarking VETTELWINSLOL bollocks. In this case, people who actually want to see good action on both sides or on one side or the other and are smart enough to know that this crap is not funny, nor a joke, and really shouldn't be going on. Maybe an incident or two, and that's it. Everyone moves on, and it won't be a problem in the future.

In conclusion, with this Vettel nonsense, I understand why this happens, as I was a victim of it a few years ago and occasionally still am, but please please PLEASE keep your thoughts to yourself. That's what I do.

Have I made my point yet?

[Alextrax52]

And to think I get slammed for dissing Hamilton and Alonso, while this Vettel-crap is getting a free pass... F1Hypocrites anyone?

A lot of Vettel-Crap-Gate is not being given a free pass anymore by the looks of it, which is a good thing. He is the only driver who gets hate like this so often. But I wouldn't say anyone is a hypocrite except for a few people who will not be named. The fact of the matter is, people like to see close racing these days or close championship fights, and the era of F1 since 2009 has been largely the team who has Adrian Newey dominating. Red Bull, obviously. But this isn't the first time a team has dominated so much in F1 history. But I have a feeling some people must not have watched F1 long enough to know what a really dominant F1 season is like before Red Bull hit full-stride, and this may be the leading cause of the Vettel hate here, because they saw rather proper battles for the championship, even if McLaren and Ferrari ran away from everyone else. Since these people can't seem to stand seeing a dominant season and boring races, they take out their feelings on the forums when they really should keep their thoughts and feelings to themselves. This is what I think is the leading cause of the you-know-what.

Another may be that people don't exactly seek good championship fights, but exciting racing in the races on the calendar. But this has a downside to it as well. People now look for different results and race winners. They look for diversity, and these days they don't get a whole lot of it. Especially if Red Bull is up front half the time. With this, people get tired of a single person dominating or winning half of the races, and hence both sides come to the Zarking VETTELWINSLOL bollocks. In this case, people who actually want to see good action on both sides or on one side or the other and are smart enough to know that this crap is not funny, nor a joke, and really shouldn't be going on. Maybe an incident or two, and that's it. Everyone moves on, and it won't be a problem in the future.

In conclusion, with this Vettel nonsense, I understand why this happens, as I was a victim of it a few years ago and occasionally still am, but please please PLEASE keep your thoughts to yourself. That's what I do.

Have I made my point yet?

I agree with you Ruby. People here let the sight of Vettel leading boil over in their comments in the Grand Prix Discussion Threads which wind up the other members who just want to discuss a good Hour and a half of Racing. Just keep it to yourselves or talk about something that is actually worth talking about in the race

[go_Rubens]

Just keep it to yourselves or talk about something that is actually worth talking about in the race

Reject teams? Midfield cars? Another rant coming.

The TV directors in F1 this year have been pathetic. Most of the time they pay attention to the front running to high midfield teams and completely leave out the Marussias and Caterhams out of the equation unless they are lapped cars about to be passed by the leader. I mean, the inevitable truth is, this years TV directors have missed great action in the midfield to the backmarkers and seemingly pay more attention to the front in a race more than the midfield and the backmarkers combined in some cases. While the front of the race to the back of the top 10 and the back of the front runners get most of the air time, and people miss out on some great action going on in the midfield and the back of the grid. Plus, they miss out on the incidents that get people penalties. Guiterrez's penalty at Spa? Where did that come from? Chilton's penalty at Spa? The TV director at Spa, for example, didn't show those incidents, even when the front of the race was boring as hell, which is fairly sad.

Arguably, the top teams are the ones to pay attention to to the casual F1 fan. The TV director seems to understand that much. But when you are supporters of the back of the grid (for example, I am a Marussia supporter, as I feel they have potential) then you never see them in the race with these pathetic directors. It makes you wonder if Marussia or Caterham are even in the race until you see them being lapped. I mean, they can surely get airtime during a race and the commentators would know enough about them and their situation to keep entertaining the viewer? If so, why not show the backmarkers once in a while? Or do a casual run through the grid like the IndyCar broadcasts do where they report on all the cars running in order torwards the end? It would be much better than the bollocks now.

Just thinking about it, this could also have an effect on the Vettel you-know-what. The people here can't get their share of backmarker coverage so they have no choice but to support someone up front that isn't Vettel, and Finger Boy wins anyway, pissing them off.

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Just keep it to yourselves or talk about something that is actually worth talking about in the race

Reject teams? Midfield cars? Another rant coming.

The TV directors in F1 this year have been pathetic. Most of the time they pay attention to the front running to high midfield teams and completely leave out the Marussias and Caterhams out of the equation unless they are lapped cars about to be passed by the leader. I mean, the inevitable truth is, this years TV directors have missed great action in the midfield to the backmarkers and seemingly pay more attention to the front in a race more than the midfield and the backmarkers combined in some cases. While the front of the race to the back of the top 10 and the back of the front runners get most of the air time, and people miss out on some great action going on in the midfield and the back of the grid. Plus, they miss out on the incidents that get people penalties. Guiterrez's penalty at Spa? Where did that come from? Chilton's penalty at Spa? The TV director at Spa, for example, didn't show those incidents, even when the front of the race was boring as hell, which is fairly sad.

Arguably, the top teams are the ones to pay attention to to the casual F1 fan. The TV director seems to understand that much. But when you are supporters of the back of the grid (for example, I am a Marussia supporter, as I feel they have potential) then you never see them in the race with these pathetic directors. It makes you wonder if Marussia or Caterham are even in the race until you see them being lapped. I mean, they can surely get airtime during a race and the commentators would know enough about them and their situation to keep entertaining the viewer? If so, why not show the backmarkers once in a while? Or do a casual run through the grid like the IndyCar broadcasts do where they report on all the cars running in order torwards the end? It would be much better than the bollocks now.

Just thinking about it, this could also have an effect on the Vettel you-know-what. The people here can't get their share of backmarker coverage so they have no choice but to support someone up front that isn't Vettel, and Finger Boy wins anyway, pissing them off.

Actually, we did see the incident that earned Gutierrez his penalty, albeit more by accident than by design - it was the moment when he went off track whilst fighting with Maldonado and the two Force India drivers, with the stewards ruling that running off track in that corner preventing him from losing his position to Maldonado.

Overall, though, I do agree that the TV directors have been rather poor at times when it comes to picking up battles in the mid to lower part of the field. How often do we see those below about 5th or 6th place - i.e. below the top three teams - unless it is to pick up a driver who would normally be towards the front of the field but is having to fight back through it (say, Hamilton in Silverstone). The commercial logic is sound - the top teams have the most important sponsors and are the most recognisable when it comes to promoting the sport - but at the same time it is difficult for those at the back of the field to make their presence known.

Equally, another thing that the TV broadcasters could make more use of would be the radio messages - sometimes the radio messages can throw up a very fascinating insight into what is going on both on and off the track. How many people know that, in Belgium, Massa reported Perez's move on Grosjean back to Smedley? Smedley might have said "It has nothing to do with you", but it suggests that Massa wanted to bring Perez's behaviour to the attention of race control, who also monitor the radio traffic, as soon as he saw him do that move.