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dr-baker · Post by **dr-baker** » 10 Oct 2013, 12:57

dinizintheoven wrote:The thought here occurs, it's quite likely Alice Powell is studying for an actual degree alongside racing; she is only 20 and that's prime university age. It seems very little is known of her life outside the track, unless Sherlock Baker has been investigating... so does anyone know something I don't here?

I wish I did. Any idea which uni she's at?

Meatwad · Post by **Meatwad** » 10 Oct 2013, 15:11

Stramala wrote:Susie Wolff got an honuourary degree from Edinburgh University yesterday. My first question is...

WHY?

She hasn't done anything noteworthy in sport, ever. Sportspeople shouldn't even get honourary degrees to begin with. But of all the sportspeople to give it to...her?

No one should get honorary degrees. It just makes a mockery of people who have worked hard to get an actual degree. Perhaps an exception could be made for someone that has really achieved something exceptionally noteworthy in that field.

Giving it to an athlete is still better than some random politician, though. :roll:

good_Ralf · Post by **good_Ralf** » 10 Oct 2013, 19:19

Meatwad wrote:No one should get honorary degrees. It just makes a mockery of people who have worked hard to get an actual degree. Perhaps an exception could be made for someone that has really achieved something exceptionally noteworthy in that field.

Giving it to an athlete is still better than some random politician, though.

Murray Walker has got an honorary degree hasn't he? Or was it a doctorate?

watka · Post by **watka** » 10 Oct 2013, 23:03

If people are that important, they'll get an MBE, OBE, CBE or Knight/Damehood. If they're not that important, they can stick to opening local supermarkets. No need for honorary degrees.

go_Rubens · Post by **go_Rubens** » 12 Oct 2013, 01:29

watka wrote:If people are that important, they'll get an MBE, OBE, CBE or Knight/Damehood. If they're not that important, they can stick to opening local supermarkets. No need for honorary degrees.

That's my take as well. At least in the USA, this stuff doesn't seem to happen.

Post by **DemocalypseNow** » 12 Oct 2013, 09:41

Meatwad wrote:
Stramala wrote:Susie Wolff got an honuourary degree from Edinburgh University yesterday. My first question is...

WHY?

She hasn't done anything noteworthy in sport, ever. Sportspeople shouldn't even get honourary degrees to begin with. But of all the sportspeople to give it to...her?

No one should get honorary degrees. It just makes a mockery of people who have worked hard to get an actual degree. Perhaps an exception could be made for someone that has really achieved something exceptionally noteworthy in that field.

Giving it to an athlete is still better than some random politician, though.

Yeah, this. Universities are just using it as a promotional tool nowadays. Giving away degrees for free like this, it makes a mockery of the whole system.

Bleu · Post by **Bleu** » 12 Oct 2013, 13:45

The only such honor I like was that Valentino Rossi was given one, given he was already known with a nickname 'Doctor'.

pi314159 · Post by **pi314159** » 13 Oct 2013, 08:29

I absolutely hate this pro-Vettel/anti-Vettel discussion. It's poisoning the whole atmosphere on every Formula 1 forum I know. There's no argument I haven't heard a hundred times before, and the discussion still goes on.

There's so much more , and more important to discuss than if you like Vettel or not. The battle for 2nd in the constructors' championship, there's Saubers recently improved pace, including Gutierrez' 7th place today, and how they overtook Toro Rosso and are closing up on Force India.

Why should we care about his childish way of celebrating his victories? Is it really that important? NO IT ISN'T!

I'm not a Vettel fan, I'm not a Vettel-hater either. I'm a Formula 1 fan who wants to discuss about Formula 1. And this includes the midfielders, and the backmarkers, to which this forum and site are dedicated. I joined this forum because here it is possible to discuss something else than how awesome or terrible the 2 or 3 top drivers are, and I hope this isn't going to change.

Ferrim · Post by **Ferrim** » 13 Oct 2013, 11:19

pi314159 wrote:There's so much more , and more important to discuss than if you like Vettel or not. The battle for 2nd in the constructors' championship, there's Saubers recently improved pace, including Gutierrez' 7th place today, and how they overtook Toro Rosso and are closing up on Force India.

At the present rate, they even have a shot at catching McLaren. It's a tremendous turn around of events for a team that, a couple of months ago, was rumoured to miss the Belgian GP...

I completely agree with the rest of your post, BTW.

Enforcer · Post by **Enforcer** » 13 Oct 2013, 12:03

pi314159 wrote:I absolutely hate this pro-Vettel/anti-Vettel discussion. It's poisoning the whole atmosphere on every Formula 1 forum I know. There's no argument I haven't heard a hundred times before, and the discussion still goes on.

There's so much more , and more important to discuss than if you like Vettel or not. The battle for 2nd in the constructors' championship, there's Saubers recently improved pace, including Gutierrez' 7th place today, and how they overtook Toro Rosso and are closing up on Force India.

Why should we care about his childish way of celebrating his victories? Is it really that important? NO IT ISN'T!

I'm not a Vettel fan, I'm not a Vettel-hater either. I'm a Formula 1 fan who wants to discuss about Formula 1. And this includes the midfielders, and the backmarkers, to which this forum and site are dedicated. I joined this forum because here it is possible to discuss something else than how awesome or terrible the 2 or 3 top drivers are, and I hope this isn't going to change.

It's a product of the internet age, imo (Back in my day etc. etc. couldn't find a suitable picture of an old man with a walking stick). Creates two phenomena, first off people think their opinion matters more than it actually does and can get very precious when people dare to challenge it either directly or indirectly, and secondly, people are less likely to be restrained about expressing themselves without being face to face and having some degree of anonymity.

So instead of:

"Well fair enough, but that's not how I see it" you get "HURR GROW UP STOOPID! U WRONG!".

It's obviously not confined to Formula One, I've been floating around various Liverpool FC forums for about a decade now and the level of discourse is getting gradually stupider as the generation who are used to discussing things face to face over a post-match pint are replaced with people who've only ever had the internet. The amount of people who get a notion about a player, a manager, whatever and run with it well beyond the point when it's clear that they're at odds with reality, never ceases to amaze me.

It's a pity because I wouldn't describe the Vettel debate itself as uninteresting. I think there are interesting questions to be asked about how good he really is, because how you benchmark him depends on how you rate the drivers around him. I for one, think Webber's wasn't as good as is generally thought, and has also largely given up at this stage, which would detract from Vettel putting him away so consistently. But equally, I think Alonso's pulling more extra pace out of that Ferrari than is generally thought (Raikkonen alongside him instead of Massa might show that), which would add to Vettel's rating.

As to whether or not he's making it boring. He could be, but I don't think it's entirely down to him, at least not to me anyway. The whole artificially high wearing tire thing to me just put a sheen of fakery on the whole thing, like drivers could push harder but are afraid to. In any case, if it is all Vettel's fault, what's he meant to do? Slow down?

Cynon · Post by **Cynon** » 13 Oct 2013, 16:06

pi314159 wrote:I absolutely hate this pro-Vettel/anti-Vettel discussion. It's poisoning the whole atmosphere on every Formula 1 forum I know. There's no argument I haven't heard a hundred times before, and the discussion still goes on.

I take legitimate enjoyment from all the excuses people come up with... fact is, Vettel is so good he's forced his teammate into losing his motivation and retiring.

pi314159 wrote:Why should we care about his childish way of celebrating his victories? Is it really that important? NO IT ISN'T!

He keeps up the finger because he knows it will get the haters mad ... and those people would get mad over him winning anyway. I'd keep doing it too if I was him... it's become his trademark. It never bothered me, at least it's not that stupid dance Barrichello used to do, or Kurt Busch's infield snow angels (yup).

pi314159 wrote:There's so much more , and more important to discuss than if you like Vettel or not. The battle for 2nd in the constructors' championship, there's Saubers recently improved pace, including Gutierrez' 7th place today, and how they overtook Toro Rosso and are closing up on Force India.

I think you mean 2nd-to-last in the constructor's championship. 8-)

good_Ralf · Post by **good_Ralf** » 13 Oct 2013, 16:13

Cynon wrote:
pi314159 wrote:Why should we care about his childish way of celebrating his victories? Is it really that important? NO IT ISN'T!

He keeps up the finger because he knows it will get the haters mad ... and those people would get mad over him winning anyway. I'd keep doing it too if I was him... it's become his trademark. It never bothered me, at least it's not that stupid dance Barrichello used to do, or Kurt Busch's infield snow angels (yup).

What about Alonso's dances in 2006?

Cynon · Post by **Cynon** » 13 Oct 2013, 16:27

good_Ralf wrote:
Cynon wrote:
pi314159 wrote:Why should we care about his childish way of celebrating his victories? Is it really that important? NO IT ISN'T!

He keeps up the finger because he knows it will get the haters mad ... and those people would get mad over him winning anyway. I'd keep doing it too if I was him... it's become his trademark. It never bothered me, at least it's not that stupid dance Barrichello used to do, or Kurt Busch's infield snow angels (yup).

What about Alonso's dances in 2006?

I totally forgot about those, more horrifying victory celebrations (Kurt Busch's snow angels and kissing the hood with his helmet on) have been seen since.

SgtPepper · Post by **SgtPepper** » 13 Oct 2013, 17:34

good_Ralf wrote:
Cynon wrote:
pi314159 wrote:Why should we care about his childish way of celebrating his victories? Is it really that important? NO IT ISN'T!

He keeps up the finger because he knows it will get the haters mad ... and those people would get mad over him winning anyway. I'd keep doing it too if I was him... it's become his trademark. It never bothered me, at least it's not that stupid dance Barrichello used to do, or Kurt Busch's infield snow angels (yup).

What about Alonso's dances in 2006?

I'd forgotten those. They're not infuriating though, just utterly, utterly bizarre.

FullMetalJack · Post by **FullMetalJack** » 13 Oct 2013, 18:59

From seeing Alonso's celebration, all I could think of was how good that blue and yellow Renault livery was.

go_Rubens · Post by **go_Rubens** » 13 Oct 2013, 23:44

FullMetalJack wrote:From seeing Alonso's celebration, all I could think of was how good that blue and yellow Renault livery was.

It was okay in my opinion. I think it needed some extra spice though

watka · Post by **watka** » 13 Oct 2013, 23:51

FullMetalJack wrote:From seeing Alonso's celebration, all I could think of was how good Renault livery were.

Fixed (IMO). I miss the old Renault. NELSINHO PIQUET RUINED EVERYTHING :evil:

Cynon · Post by **Cynon** » 14 Oct 2013, 00:19

watka wrote:
FullMetalJack wrote:From seeing Alonso's celebration, all I could think of was how good Renault livery were.

Fixed (IMO). I miss the old Renault. NELSINHO PIQUET RUINED EVERYTHING

Sure it wasn't Flav?

CoopsII · Post by **CoopsII** » 14 Oct 2013, 06:53

I cant believe theres still four more frigging races to go :lol:

I actually want the season to end now! I'm looking forward to Jan/Feb when the new cars break cover and I can get all excited about a possible different WDC!

But, hey, you know what, it IS possible than Vettel will record four DNFs now and Alonso will find a magic pedal in his car which makes it go fast so lets all keep an open mind, yeah?

dr-baker · Post by **dr-baker** » 14 Oct 2013, 14:33

go_Rubens wrote:
FullMetalJack wrote:From seeing Alonso's celebration, all I could think of was how good that blue and yellow Renault livery was.

It was okay in my opinion. I think it needed some extra spice though

What kind of spice? I think maybe a bit of baby spice would work?

Post by **DemocalypseNow** » 15 Oct 2013, 09:28

In my opinion there are too many people with opinions and in my opinion these opinions are wrong, so in my opinion your opinions are irrelevant and you should all just accept my opinions as the correct opinion.

CoopsII · Post by **CoopsII** » 15 Oct 2013, 09:34

Stramala wrote:In my opinion there are too many people with opinions and in my opinion these opinions are wrong, so in my opinion your opinions are irrelevant and you should all just accept my opinions as the correct opinion.

You're wrong.

Post by **DemocalypseNow** » 15 Oct 2013, 09:37

CoopsII wrote:
Stramala wrote:In my opinion there are too many people with opinions and in my opinion these opinions are wrong, so in my opinion your opinions are irrelevant and you should all just accept my opinions as the correct opinion.

You're wrong.

Excellent demonstration of my point, thank you for the assistance sir

CoopsII · Post by **CoopsII** » 15 Oct 2013, 09:42

Stramala wrote:
CoopsII wrote:
Stramala wrote:In my opinion there are too many people with opinions and in my opinion these opinions are wrong, so in my opinion your opinions are irrelevant and you should all just accept my opinions as the correct opinion.

You're wrong.

Excellent demonstration of my point

No it isnt. You're wrong again.

dr-baker · Post by **dr-baker** » 15 Oct 2013, 16:59

Stramala wrote:In my opinion there are too many people with opinions and in my opinion these opinions are wrong, so in my opinion your opinions are irrelevant and you should all just accept my opinions as the correct opinion.

This is my opinion too. Only with the me being me, not you. And there can be no rebuttal as I ain't bovvered whether anybody agrees or not.

SgtPepper · Post by **SgtPepper** » 15 Oct 2013, 18:24

Stramala wrote:In my opinion there are too many people with opinions and in my opinion these opinions are wrong, so in my opinion your opinions are irrelevant and you should all just accept my opinions as the correct opinion.

Has anyone ever really been so far even as decided to use even go want to do look more like?

go_Rubens · Post by **go_Rubens** » 15 Oct 2013, 22:55

Stramala wrote:In my opinion there are too many people with opinions and in my opinion these opinions are wrong, so in my opinion your opinions are irrelevant and you should all just accept my opinions as the correct opinion.

No, I think HWNSNBM deserves that

Or myself, or is my head clogged with sinuses again :lol:

Nessafox · Post by **Nessafox** » 15 Oct 2013, 23:07

Stramala wrote:In my opinion there are too many people with opinions and in my opinion these opinions are wrong, so in my opinion your opinions are irrelevant and you should all just accept my opinions as the correct opinion.

In chinese that would be a ho-pin-ion.

CoopsII · Post by **CoopsII** » 16 Oct 2013, 06:50

SgtPepper wrote:Has anyone ever really been so far even as decided to use even go want to do look more like?

Yoda? Is that you

watka · Post by **watka** » 17 Oct 2013, 10:37

This wrote:
Stramala wrote:In my opinion there are too many people with opinions and in my opinion these opinions are wrong, so in my opinion your opinions are irrelevant and you should all just accept my opinions as the correct opinion.

In chinese that would be a ho-pin-ion.

Ho-Pin Tung!

good_Ralf · Post by **good_Ralf** » 18 Oct 2013, 17:55

Freeze-O-Kimi wrote:What did 2002 have? Apart from The Australian Grand Prix and Irvine's podium in a Jaguar at Monza not a lot.

I'll try and find some more exciting moments that year.

- Title favourites Montoya and Schumi collide at turn 1 in Malaysia, Schumi losing his front wing and having to recover
- Button is on for a podium in that race...
- Montoya loses his front wing in Brazil
- Button runs 3rd again in Spain
- Chaotic mid-race sequence in Austria, with McNish 2nd at one point after the nasty Sato/Heidfeld incident
- Coulthard wins Monaco again and he pips Michael to it
- Barrichello win no. 2 at the Nurburgring
- Rain chaos in Silverstone, BAR scoring points for the first time that year
- Kimi nearly wins for the first time ever in France
- Montoya absolutely nowhere in Hungary
- Unusual finish at Indianapolis
- Sato scores points on home soil at Suzuka

watka · Post by **watka** » 18 Oct 2013, 22:44

good_Ralf wrote:
Freeze-O-Kimi wrote:- Unusual finish at Indianapolis

That is probably the funniest thing I've ever seen in F1. What a farce that was!

ibsey · Post by **ibsey** » 19 Oct 2013, 17:48

Freeze-O-Kimi wrote:What did 2002 have? Apart from The Australian Grand Prix and Irvine's podium in a Jaguar at Monza not a lot.

Bernoldi in the Arrows put up a good fight against M Schumi in a Ferrari at Malaysia 2002.

Then there was this...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JWq8zH5GjA0

good_Ralf · Post by **good_Ralf** » 19 Oct 2013, 17:59

ibsey wrote:
Freeze-O-Kimi wrote:What did 2002 have? Apart from The Australian Grand Prix and Irvine's podium in a Jaguar at Monza not a lot.

Bernoldi in the Arrows put up a good fight against M Schumi in a Ferrari at Malaysia 2002.

Then there was this...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JWq8zH5GjA0

Forgot about both of those. In fact given how eventful Bernoldi's career was he deserves a reject profile.

RonDenisDeletraz · Post by **RonDenisDeletraz** » 22 Oct 2013, 03:17

Bloody hell, did you have to be so insulting about it Pasta. I see your point but that was just a horrible thing to say.

check the ruined dreams thread to know what I am talking about.

Salamander · Post by **Salamander** » 22 Oct 2013, 13:54

eurobrun wrote:Bloody hell, did you have to be so insulting about it Pasta. I see your point but that was just a horrible thing to say.

check the ruined dreams thread to know what I am talking about.

That classifies as horrible to you? I've had much worse things said to me.

roblo97 · Post by **roblo97** » 22 Oct 2013, 15:01

Salamander wrote:
eurobrun wrote:Bloody hell, did you have to be so insulting about it Pasta. I see your point but that was just a horrible thing to say.

check the ruined dreams thread to know what I am talking about.

That classifies as horrible to you? I've had much worse things said to me.

I was targeted by joey zyla in his spam/hate thing and he said some rather unpleasant things about me which I won't go into any more detail about.

Post by **DemocalypseNow** » 22 Oct 2013, 15:29

eurobrun wrote:Bloody hell, did you have to be so insulting about it Pasta. I see your point but that was just a horrible thing to say.

check the ruined dreams thread to know what I am talking about.

No wonder you cry every time I open my mouth. You're softer than a sponge if that's all it takes to make you feel insulted.

Chin up, nobody likes you when you play the victim card. Walk it off and develop some resilience.

pasta_maldonado · Post by **pasta_maldonado** » 22 Oct 2013, 15:31

Salamander wrote:
eurobrun wrote:Bloody hell, did you have to be so insulting about it Pasta. I see your point but that was just a horrible thing to say.

check the ruined dreams thread to know what I am talking about.

That classifies as horrible to you? I've had much worse things said to me.

Lighten up eurobrun. Just a joke.

To be honest, if being jokingly accused of holding a world record tantrum is the worst insult you've ever had, you've had a pretty good life.

Gerudo Dragon · Post by **Gerudo Dragon** » 22 Oct 2013, 18:20

Look, eurobrun could perhaps take some posts less seriously and pasta could perhaps be a bit more careful not to come off as provocative. Let's move on.