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eagleash wrote:BAR were a bought out Tyrrell so not quite the same as the three teams mentioned above. & unfortunately a useless team principal whose name escapes me.


Do you by any chance mean The one, The only, The amazing Nick Fried-egg?
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CarlosFerreira wrote:
eagleash wrote:BAR were a bought out Tyrrell so not quite the same as the three teams mentioned above. & unfortunately a useless team principal whose name escapes me.


Do you by any chance mean The one, The only, The amazing Nick Fried-egg?


No I was thinking of Craig Pollock, who may not have been actually team principal but surely wrecked the team.
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Myrvold wrote:But still, he won his first race in less time than Lewis Hamilton, he won just as many races the first season, and he became WDC in his second, just as Lewis. They also had a poorer 3rd season, for the same team that they drove for in the two first seasons, and the team wasn't that good because of rule changes. Then Villeneuve went to a new team... So, basically, that would be like Hamilton went to Lotus, Virgin or HRT this season, then count how many points, and retirements Hamilton would've got this season.

Oh well, I'm a Villeneuve-fan, so I am way more than slightly biased here, but still, their careers was similiar in the first 3 seasons.

So you're saying tht it's not Villeneuve's fault that he had a bad run, it was the car's? If so, it stands to reason that his success was only a result of the car as well.

Once VIlleneuve won his title, he never had anything. He'd have been better off retiring.
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Captain Hammer wrote:
Myrvold wrote:But still, he won his first race in less time than Lewis Hamilton, he won just as many races the first season, and he became WDC in his second, just as Lewis. They also had a poorer 3rd season, for the same team that they drove for in the two first seasons, and the team wasn't that good because of rule changes. Then Villeneuve went to a new team... So, basically, that would be like Hamilton went to Lotus, Virgin or HRT this season, then count how many points, and retirements Hamilton would've got this season.

Oh well, I'm a Villeneuve-fan, so I am way more than slightly biased here, but still, their careers was similiar in the first 3 seasons.

So you're saying tht it's not Villeneuve's fault that he had a bad run, it was the car's? If so, it stands to reason that his success was only a result of the car as well.

Once VIlleneuve won his title, he never had anything. He'd have been better off retiring.

The cars did play their part, but ultimately it was Villeneuve who couldn't over-extend himself over that mediocrity his cars had to offer (2000 being the exception). He was just unable to make efforts for the team to improve, just like Michael Schumacher with Ferrari; instead, he was always moaning about how bad the cars, the engine, the team as whole, was, and making up menaces of going elsewhere that never materialized until the end of 2003. He was, to sum it up, a fast driver with a very poor character.
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I agree with the article on the site here, about Panis, Villeneuve and BAR. However, I didn't say anything about Villeneuves pace later in his career. Just compared the stats from his three first seaons with Hamilton's.

Though, he wasn't, what I will call off Massa's or Heidfeld's pace in 05 and 06.
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mario wrote:Now, I know that the Toro Rosso team needs quite a bit of financial investment, because a sizeable chunk of the resources they had as Minardi are either out of date or taken over by Red Bull, but $30 million sounds a little on the low side for a complete F1 team.


I would say that if Villeneuve/Durango had 30 million to spend even before they started a team, they would been able to create something good from scratch, and the FIA would have given them the 13th grid spot.

30 million was cheap in the era when the entry bond was 48 million, but not know. And even less for a team like Toro Rosso.
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Well, Villeneuve said that buying an existing team was the plan A, until he got together with Durango, so I do think they have the money.
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Myrvold wrote:
watka wrote:Argubly Fangio's WC in 1956 as Collins handed his car over to him half way through the final race when Collins was on course for the WC.

My point: You could go on about who the worst WC is, but in truth, they all made the best of the circumstances they were in.


yea, but there is no one that will ever say that Fangio isn't worthy a WDC, because he won 5. I also find it funny that both JV and Hill were in the best car with a bad 2. driver, I mean, then must Villeneuve be really bad, when he was teammate with Hill, not to Mention Frentzen that got beaten by JV twice, and then he destroyed Hill... I mean, it's impossible to tell who is the best that way. Last year, Button was the fastest, in 08 Hamilton was, that's the facts. And no WDC is undeserved, you don't get into F1, and in a championship winning car, and then, still beat your teammate, and everyone else to win a championship if you ain't a good driver.

I also remember I got bashed when I compared Hamilton to Villeneuve... but the fact is:

JV's first season: 2nd place, had a chance to win the champ when going into the last race, didn't do it.
LH's first season: 2nd place, had a chance to win the champ when going into the last race, didn't do it.

JV's secons season: 1st place, won the champ in the last race under remarkable situations, when Schumacher(German) drove into him, trying to take him out.
LH's second season: 1st place, won the champ in the last race under remarkable situations, when he overtook Glock(German) in the last turn

JV's third season: 5th place. After some big rulechanges (narrower cars, grooved tyres etc.) Williams was not longer the best car. He finished 5th, best of the rest (behind the two teams that was best, clearly best), and one point ahead of the guy in 6th place (the World champion from two years earlier)
LH's third season. 5th plave. After some big rulechanges (wings, tyres etc.) McLaren was not longer among the fastest cars. He finished 5th, best of the rest (behind the two teams that was clearly best that season) and one point ahead of the guy in 6th place (the World champion from two years earlier)

I love coincidences! :D


JV's fourth season: 21st place. No points. Team mates Zonta and Salo match him/beat him in the championship respectively.
LH's fourth season: 4th place, 3 wins. In the championship fight to the end.

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jackanderton wrote:Perugia would be a good candidate for a reject club too, as they went through a period of signing every gimmick going. And for seemingly no reason whatsoever, buying a young Jay Bothroyd.


I'd have Bothroyd down for reject, he was crap for Blackburn :roll:


Jay Bothroyd, England international.

Love digging up this old thread.
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watka wrote:
AndreaModa wrote:
jackanderton wrote:Perugia would be a good candidate for a reject club too, as they went through a period of signing every gimmick going. And for seemingly no reason whatsoever, buying a young Jay Bothroyd.


I'd have Bothroyd down for reject, he was crap for Blackburn :roll:


Jay Bothroyd, England international.

Love digging up this old thread.


He also had a trial for Palace in 2006....& was rejected.....

Wiki wrote: In the close season, Bothroyd was released by the Addicks, following the arrival of Iain Dowie as manager. He was then taken on trial at Crystal Palace, but the south-Londoners decided not to offer him a deal. Bothroyd has since denied he was on trial with Crystal Palace, despite playing in Crystal Palace's pre-season tour of the USA.
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Yeah, well I wouldn't want to be associated with Palace either...
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watka wrote:Yeah, well I wouldn't want to be associated with Palace either...


Oh dear, don't be bitter. I'm sure Chelsea will win another game......sometime.....
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eagleash wrote:
watka wrote:Yeah, well I wouldn't want to be associated with Palace either...


Oh dear, don't be bitter. I'm sure Chelsea will win another game......sometime.....


We'll continue this on Twitter shall we?
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eagleash wrote:
watka wrote:Yeah, well I wouldn't want to be associated with Palace either...


Oh dear, don't be bitter. I'm sure Chelsea will win another game......sometime.....


:lol:

Btw, I still stand by my comments on Jay Bothroyd, he got called up to what was effectively England's 3rd team against France in a thrilling game where 1st teamer Crouch bailed the team out with a goal which had no impact on the final result. Not saying England played badly, I think 2-1 against a French team with half their World Cup squad is pretty good when you consider the team we put out, but I seriously hope Capello doesn't pick Jay again!
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watka wrote:
eagleash wrote:
watka wrote:Yeah, well I wouldn't want to be associated with Palace either...


Oh dear, don't be bitter. I'm sure Chelsea will win another game......sometime.....


We'll continue this on Twitter shall we?


Could do.. :)....I merely agreed with the idea that Bothroyd was in no way England quality.... :o
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watka wrote:JV's fourth season: 21st place. No points. Team mates Zonta and Salo match him/beat him in the championship respectively.
LH's fourth season: 4th place, 3 wins. In the championship fight to the end.

Myrvold loses argument.


As I already have stated in another thread. However, you cannot compare them anymore. Hamilton is still with his first team. Villeneuve went to a new team. If we should compare it, it would've been if Hamilton went to HRT, Virgin or Lotus.
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AndreaModa wrote:I think 2-1 against a French team with half their World Cup squad is pretty good when you consider the team we put out.


Pretty good? The French World Cup sqaud this year was frankly embarrasing :lol:
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Wizzie wrote:
AndreaModa wrote:I think 2-1 against a French team with half their World Cup squad is pretty good when you consider the team we put out.


Pretty good? The French World Cup sqaud this year was frankly embarrasing :lol:

As a French comedy program (Les Guignols de l'info) put it:
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Wizzie wrote:
AndreaModa wrote:I think 2-1 against a French team with half their World Cup squad is pretty good when you consider the team we put out.


Pretty good? The French World Cup sqaud this year was frankly embarrasing :lol:


True but not much more could be said about England's side!
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Cristiano Ronaldo is a twat. There, I've said it :roll:
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AndreaModa wrote:
Wizzie wrote:
AndreaModa wrote:I think 2-1 against a French team with half their World Cup squad is pretty good when you consider the team we put out.


Pretty good? The French World Cup sqaud this year was frankly embarrasing :lol:


True but not much more could be said about England's side!


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Myrvold wrote:
watka wrote:JV's fourth season: 21st place. No points. Team mates Zonta and Salo match him/beat him in the championship respectively.
LH's fourth season: 4th place, 3 wins. In the championship fight to the end.

Myrvold loses argument.


As I already have stated in another thread. However, you cannot compare them anymore. Hamilton is still with his first team. Villeneuve went to a new team. If we should compare it, it would've been if Hamilton went to HRT, Virgin or Lotus.


I actually posted before I saw your comment in another thread. Obviously their fourth season are not comparable because of their cars.
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