eagleash wrote:BAR were a bought out Tyrrell so not quite the same as the three teams mentioned above. & unfortunately a useless team principal whose name escapes me.
Do you by any chance mean The one, The only, The amazing Nick Fried-egg?
eagleash wrote:BAR were a bought out Tyrrell so not quite the same as the three teams mentioned above. & unfortunately a useless team principal whose name escapes me.
CarlosFerreira wrote:eagleash wrote:BAR were a bought out Tyrrell so not quite the same as the three teams mentioned above. & unfortunately a useless team principal whose name escapes me.
Do you by any chance mean The one, The only, The amazing Nick Fried-egg?
DemocalypseNow wrote: when eagleash of all people says you've gone too far about something you just know that's when to apply the brakes and do a U-turn.
Myrvold wrote:But still, he won his first race in less time than Lewis Hamilton, he won just as many races the first season, and he became WDC in his second, just as Lewis. They also had a poorer 3rd season, for the same team that they drove for in the two first seasons, and the team wasn't that good because of rule changes. Then Villeneuve went to a new team... So, basically, that would be like Hamilton went to Lotus, Virgin or HRT this season, then count how many points, and retirements Hamilton would've got this season.
Oh well, I'm a Villeneuve-fan, so I am way more than slightly biased here, but still, their careers was similiar in the first 3 seasons.
mario wrote:I'm wondering what the hell has been going on in this thread [...] it's turned into a bizarre detour into mythical flying horses and the sort of search engine results that CoopsII is going to have a very hard time explaining ...
Captain Hammer wrote:Myrvold wrote:But still, he won his first race in less time than Lewis Hamilton, he won just as many races the first season, and he became WDC in his second, just as Lewis. They also had a poorer 3rd season, for the same team that they drove for in the two first seasons, and the team wasn't that good because of rule changes. Then Villeneuve went to a new team... So, basically, that would be like Hamilton went to Lotus, Virgin or HRT this season, then count how many points, and retirements Hamilton would've got this season.
Oh well, I'm a Villeneuve-fan, so I am way more than slightly biased here, but still, their careers was similiar in the first 3 seasons.
So you're saying tht it's not Villeneuve's fault that he had a bad run, it was the car's? If so, it stands to reason that his success was only a result of the car as well.
Once VIlleneuve won his title, he never had anything. He'd have been better off retiring.
mario wrote:Now, I know that the Toro Rosso team needs quite a bit of financial investment, because a sizeable chunk of the resources they had as Minardi are either out of date or taken over by Red Bull, but $30 million sounds a little on the low side for a complete F1 team.
Myrvold wrote:watka wrote:Argubly Fangio's WC in 1956 as Collins handed his car over to him half way through the final race when Collins was on course for the WC.
My point: You could go on about who the worst WC is, but in truth, they all made the best of the circumstances they were in.
yea, but there is no one that will ever say that Fangio isn't worthy a WDC, because he won 5. I also find it funny that both JV and Hill were in the best car with a bad 2. driver, I mean, then must Villeneuve be really bad, when he was teammate with Hill, not to Mention Frentzen that got beaten by JV twice, and then he destroyed Hill... I mean, it's impossible to tell who is the best that way. Last year, Button was the fastest, in 08 Hamilton was, that's the facts. And no WDC is undeserved, you don't get into F1, and in a championship winning car, and then, still beat your teammate, and everyone else to win a championship if you ain't a good driver.
I also remember I got bashed when I compared Hamilton to Villeneuve... but the fact is:
JV's first season: 2nd place, had a chance to win the champ when going into the last race, didn't do it.
LH's first season: 2nd place, had a chance to win the champ when going into the last race, didn't do it.
JV's secons season: 1st place, won the champ in the last race under remarkable situations, when Schumacher(German) drove into him, trying to take him out.
LH's second season: 1st place, won the champ in the last race under remarkable situations, when he overtook Glock(German) in the last turn
JV's third season: 5th place. After some big rulechanges (narrower cars, grooved tyres etc.) Williams was not longer the best car. He finished 5th, best of the rest (behind the two teams that was best, clearly best), and one point ahead of the guy in 6th place (the World champion from two years earlier)
LH's third season. 5th plave. After some big rulechanges (wings, tyres etc.) McLaren was not longer among the fastest cars. He finished 5th, best of the rest (behind the two teams that was clearly best that season) and one point ahead of the guy in 6th place (the World champion from two years earlier)
I love coincidences!
AndreaModa wrote:jackanderton wrote:Perugia would be a good candidate for a reject club too, as they went through a period of signing every gimmick going. And for seemingly no reason whatsoever, buying a young Jay Bothroyd.
I'd have Bothroyd down for reject, he was crap for Blackburn
watka wrote:AndreaModa wrote:jackanderton wrote:Perugia would be a good candidate for a reject club too, as they went through a period of signing every gimmick going. And for seemingly no reason whatsoever, buying a young Jay Bothroyd.
I'd have Bothroyd down for reject, he was crap for Blackburn
Jay Bothroyd, England international.
Love digging up this old thread.
Wiki wrote: In the close season, Bothroyd was released by the Addicks, following the arrival of Iain Dowie as manager. He was then taken on trial at Crystal Palace, but the south-Londoners decided not to offer him a deal. Bothroyd has since denied he was on trial with Crystal Palace, despite playing in Crystal Palace's pre-season tour of the USA.
DemocalypseNow wrote: when eagleash of all people says you've gone too far about something you just know that's when to apply the brakes and do a U-turn.
watka wrote:Yeah, well I wouldn't want to be associated with Palace either...
DemocalypseNow wrote: when eagleash of all people says you've gone too far about something you just know that's when to apply the brakes and do a U-turn.
eagleash wrote:watka wrote:Yeah, well I wouldn't want to be associated with Palace either...
Oh dear, don't be bitter. I'm sure Chelsea will win another game......sometime.....
eagleash wrote:watka wrote:Yeah, well I wouldn't want to be associated with Palace either...
Oh dear, don't be bitter. I'm sure Chelsea will win another game......sometime.....
watka wrote:eagleash wrote:watka wrote:Yeah, well I wouldn't want to be associated with Palace either...
Oh dear, don't be bitter. I'm sure Chelsea will win another game......sometime.....
We'll continue this on Twitter shall we?
DemocalypseNow wrote: when eagleash of all people says you've gone too far about something you just know that's when to apply the brakes and do a U-turn.
watka wrote:JV's fourth season: 21st place. No points. Team mates Zonta and Salo match him/beat him in the championship respectively.
LH's fourth season: 4th place, 3 wins. In the championship fight to the end.
Myrvold loses argument.
AndreaModa wrote:I think 2-1 against a French team with half their World Cup squad is pretty good when you consider the team we put out.
Biscione wrote:"Some Turkemenistani gulag repurposed for residential use" is the best way yet I've heard to describe North / East Glasgow.
Wizzie wrote:AndreaModa wrote:I think 2-1 against a French team with half their World Cup squad is pretty good when you consider the team we put out.
Pretty good? The French World Cup sqaud this year was frankly embarrasing
kevinbotz wrote:Cantonese is a completely nonsensical f*cking alien language masquerading as some grossly bastardised form of Chinese
Gonzo wrote:Wasn't there some sort of communisim in the East part of Germany?
Wizzie wrote:AndreaModa wrote:I think 2-1 against a French team with half their World Cup squad is pretty good when you consider the team we put out.
Pretty good? The French World Cup sqaud this year was frankly embarrasing
AndreaModa wrote:Wizzie wrote:AndreaModa wrote:I think 2-1 against a French team with half their World Cup squad is pretty good when you consider the team we put out.
Pretty good? The French World Cup sqaud this year was frankly embarrasing
True but not much more could be said about England's side!
Myrvold wrote:watka wrote:JV's fourth season: 21st place. No points. Team mates Zonta and Salo match him/beat him in the championship respectively.
LH's fourth season: 4th place, 3 wins. In the championship fight to the end.
Myrvold loses argument.
As I already have stated in another thread. However, you cannot compare them anymore. Hamilton is still with his first team. Villeneuve went to a new team. If we should compare it, it would've been if Hamilton went to HRT, Virgin or Lotus.