Reject (or not) track design.

Aerospeed · Post by **Aerospeed** » 01 Jul 2012, 21:55

Captain Hammer wrote:A few ideas in London, based on Bernie Ecclestone's comments that he would happily fund a race around the landmarks:

http://www.gmap-pedometer.com/?r=5534141

I like the second one, actually. Though it's a bit long.

AndreaModa · Post by **AndreaModa** » 01 Jul 2012, 22:32

Warren Hughes wrote:
AndreaModa wrote:Anyone aware of the brilliant Coventry Ring Road? It would make a fantastic race track, completely free of at-grade intersections except a single roundabout, the rest is free-flowing with the junctions either above or below the road. Therefore I propose the Godiva 500, a 500 mile race named after Lady Godiva the one of the city's most famous icons.

Here is the route: http://www.gmap-pedometer.com/?r=5529305

And for those unfamiliar with the road itself, here is a 3 minute video showing it in its entirety, starting at the roundabout in the top right in the route map above: http://www.cbrd.co.uk/video/coventryringway.shtml Select the anti-clockwise one, and that's the way I'd envisage the track to run, with the removal of the central barrier so all 4 lanes could be used.

CBRD! And I thought you were cool!

I love that website. And I am not cool.

Haha yes I pay a visit there every so often, there and PM which is another interesting read in that subject field. I'm also on SABRE as well but don't post there very often at all really. :ugeek:

Captain Hammer · Post by **Captain Hammer** » 03 Jul 2012, 00:05

JeremyMcClean wrote:
Captain Hammer wrote:A few ideas in London, based on Bernie Ecclestone's comments that he would happily fund a race around the landmarks:

http://www.gmap-pedometer.com/?r=5534141

I like the second one, actually. Though it's a bit long.

FIA regulations allow for circuits up to 7.5km in length. At 6.25km, that circuit fits the regulations well enough, though it is quite long for a street circuit.

This is probably a much more realistic prospect for a street circuit: http://www.gmap-pedometer.com/?r=5541097

And this is its older, meaner brother: http://www.gmap-pedometer.com/?r=5541099

Personally, I think these are some of my best designs.

Aerospeed · Post by **Aerospeed** » 03 Jul 2012, 02:33

I really like the second version. Looks simple yet it's not even close to one of those gastly Tilke-Dromes. Looks great, really!

Captain Hammer · Post by **Captain Hammer** » 03 Jul 2012, 07:51

I think the short version is better, myself. I could see it being built in the middle of the countryside. However, I'm not keen on the right-angled bend at the two-kilometre mark. Instead, I'd change it to be like "Trafalgar" on the Santander proposal, only made to be a right-left combination instead of a left-right. And, of course, no arch narrowing the circuit.

Sullivangate · Post by **Sullivangate** » 04 Jul 2012, 05:46

I legit tried to do this. But I couldn't get the thing to bathplug work properly. Just does a random course.

Sullivangate · Post by **Sullivangate** » 04 Jul 2012, 05:53

Actually it seems to just have an issue with SFO. So that's weird.

Sullivangate · Post by **Sullivangate** » 04 Jul 2012, 06:15

Here we go. Las Vegas. Fun times.

http://www.gmap-pedometer.com/?r=5543116

Captain Hammer · Post by **Captain Hammer** » 04 Jul 2012, 07:28

Sullivangate wrote:I legit tried to do this. But I couldn't get the thing to bathplug work properly. Just does a random course.

There are certain rules that dictate how and where you can run the roads. For example, the automated drawing tools won't recognise the thin orange lines that are on- and off-ramps. Sometimes, you will need to use the manual drawing tool to get the job done.

UncreativeUsername37 · Post by **UncreativeUsername37** » 10 Jul 2012, 21:36

Attempting to make the worst track ever

AndreaModa · Post by **AndreaModa** » 10 Jul 2012, 22:05

I have a rather impressive creation here, which unlike many of the circuits here, actually makes a fantastic course in real life:

http://www.gmap-pedometer.com/?r=5553909

This would be the course for a proposed Three Shires TT, similar to the Isle of Man TT course, and only slightly longer in actual length, the circuit is comprised mostly of rural main roads, with some excellent corners and sections which are brilliant to ride on in real life. I'd love to see this actually happen! At each corner is a town, with Banbury (Oxfordshire) in the south acting as the start/finish, with the actual line along the Hennef Way section, with Daventry (Northamptonshire) in the north-east and Southam (Warwickshire) in the north-west. The track would run anti-clockwise, so Banbury to Daventry to Southam and then back to Banbury.

I'd imagine the average speed on this course would be enormous in a competitive environment, as there are very few tight turns on it, with most of those being roundabouts. The roads are all beautifully flowing and a joy to ride on, and they are a favourite for bikers in the area looking for a good ride. Have to mind those speed cameras though!

WaffleCat · Post by **WaffleCat** » 11 Jul 2012, 05:40

How about this rather ridiculous proposal for Spa in 1967:
http://theracingline.net/racingcircuits/Belgium/SpaFrancorchamps67p.html

dr-baker · Post by **dr-baker** » 11 Jul 2012, 14:04

AndreaModa wrote:I have a rather impressive creation here, which unlike many of the circuits here, actually makes a fantastic course in real life:

http://www.gmap-pedometer.com/?r=5553909

This would be the course for a proposed Three Shires TT, similar to the Isle of Man TT course, and only slightly longer in actual length,

Only slightly longer? It's 9/10ths of a mile longer! (>1km for you crazy non-Anglo-Saxons and Aussies). But of course, in percentage terms, I guess it's not much more. I once timed myself driving round the Manx TT track in normal traffic conditions, it took 61 minutes. How long would this take?

Shizuka · Post by **Shizuka** » 11 Jul 2012, 14:35

WaffleCat wrote:How about this rather ridiculous proposal for Spa in 1967:
http://theracingline.net/racingcircuits/Belgium/SpaFrancorchamps67p.html

WHAT IS THAT?!

Thank God this proposal didn't go ahead!!!

Salamander · Post by **Salamander** » 11 Jul 2012, 15:25

WaffleCat wrote:How about this rather ridiculous proposal for Spa in 1967:
http://theracingline.net/racingcircuits/Belgium/SpaFrancorchamps67p.html

But, but... where's Eau Rouge? Where's La Source? Where's anything?

AndreaModa · Post by **AndreaModa** » 11 Jul 2012, 21:05

dr-baker wrote:
AndreaModa wrote:I have a rather impressive creation here, which unlike many of the circuits here, actually makes a fantastic course in real life:

http://www.gmap-pedometer.com/?r=5553909

This would be the course for a proposed Three Shires TT, similar to the Isle of Man TT course, and only slightly longer in actual length,

Only slightly longer? It's 9/10ths of a mile longer! (>1km for you crazy non-Anglo-Saxons and Aussies). But of course, in percentage terms, I guess it's not much more. I once timed myself driving round the Manx TT track in normal traffic conditions, it took 61 minutes. How long would this take?

Probably about a similar length of time, there's quite a few 30mph limits, and it would take bloody hours if you stuck to the rural 50 limits that have been slapped completely unnecessarily on all of those roads! :lol:

dr-baker · Post by **dr-baker** » 13 Jul 2012, 13:48

AndreaModa wrote:
dr-baker wrote:
AndreaModa wrote:I have a rather impressive creation here, which unlike many of the circuits here, actually makes a fantastic course in real life:

http://www.gmap-pedometer.com/?r=5553909

This would be the course for a proposed Three Shires TT, similar to the Isle of Man TT course, and only slightly longer in actual length,

Only slightly longer? It's 9/10ths of a mile longer! (>1km for you crazy non-Anglo-Saxons and Aussies). But of course, in percentage terms, I guess it's not much more. I once timed myself driving round the Manx TT track in normal traffic conditions, it took 61 minutes. How long would this take?

Probably about a similar length of time, there's quite a few 30mph limits, and it would take bloody hours if you stuck to the rural 50 limits that have been slapped completely unnecessarily on all of those roads!

Of course, the wonderful part of the Manx track is that many parts are totally without speed limits! But in normal traffic, over the mountain, many people stick to around 50-odd mph. But it is possible to still hit 80-90 mph in places round the track. Legally. On single-carriageways.

UncreativeUsername37 · Post by **UncreativeUsername37** » 23 Jul 2012, 21:22

Using basically every road in the entire country to satisfy the FIA's 3.5-km requirement, I made a very rejectful track for a Grand Prix of Vatican City.

RonDenisDeletraz · Post by **RonDenisDeletraz** » 26 Jul 2012, 07:36

http://www.gmap-pedometer.com/?r=5579006

nome66 · Post by **nome66** » 17 Aug 2012, 04:50

why not, IndyCar?

Davidellias · Post by **Davidellias** » 19 Aug 2012, 02:54

Skopje

http://www.gmap-pedometer.com/?r=5619382

Crete

http://www.gmap-pedometer.com/?r=5619387

Sofia

http://www.gmap-pedometer.com/?r=5619390

Davidellias · Post by **Davidellias** » 19 Aug 2012, 15:09

http://www.gmap-pedometer.com/?r=5619390

Tunisia

http://www.gmap-pedometer.com?r=5619934

Tashkent

http://www.gmap-pedometer.com/?r=5619955

Hyderabad

pi314159 · Post by **pi314159** » 22 Aug 2012, 05:47

I just thought I had found a good location for a track near Clermont-Ferrand, but then realized it was a part of the Circuit de Charade.

UncreativeUsername37 · Post by **UncreativeUsername37** » 22 Aug 2012, 20:22

Based upon the perimeter of a small island of a small lake in Tasmania that looked like it'd make a good racetrack to me. I imagine it as built just northwest of Lochiel Drive, Miena, Tasmania.

Aerond · Post by **Aerond** » 22 Aug 2012, 23:09

This is my London proposal; a bit long but maybe possible and using many of central London landmarks: http://www.gmap-pedometer.com/?r=5626352

dinizintheoven · Post by **dinizintheoven** » 31 Aug 2012, 23:14

I found an interesting segment of road earlier between Tijuana and Mexicali. I give you: Mexico's answer to the Nürburgring!

Aerospeed · Post by **Aerospeed** » 01 Sep 2012, 00:18

dinizintheoven wrote:I found an interesting segment of road earlier between Tijuana and Mexicali. I give you: Mexico's answer to the Nürburgring!

A bit long, at 43km...

dr-baker · Post by **dr-baker** » 01 Sep 2012, 10:22

JeremyMcClean wrote:
dinizintheoven wrote:I found an interesting segment of road earlier between Tijuana and Mexicali. I give you: Mexico's answer to the Nürburgring!

A bit long, at 43km...

It's 10.75 miles shorter than the Manx TT Mountain course...

roblo97 · Post by **roblo97** » 16 Sep 2012, 21:16

I think I can do Malta as well

http://www.gmap-pedometer.com/?r=5479097

roblo97 · Post by **roblo97** » 17 Sep 2012, 18:29

some designs for montjuich park in barcalona
proposal 1
http://www.gmap-pedometer.com/?r=5653255
proposal 2
http://www.gmap-pedometer.com?r=5669263
proposal 3
http://www.gmap-pedometer.com?r=5669325

hope u lot enjoy l.o.l
p.s i'm ready for the next design challange!!

roblo97 · Post by **roblo97** » 17 Sep 2012, 18:42

Captain Hammer wrote:Malta?

I can do that:

http://www.gmap-pedometer.com/?r=5491890

http://www.gmap-pedometer.com/?r=5491895

http://www.gmap-pedometer.com/?r=5491898

http://www.gmap-pedometer.com/?r=5491899

http://www.gmap-pedometer.com/?r=5491902

http://www.gmap-pedometer.com/?r=5491909

http://www.gmap-pedometer.com/?r=5491912

http://www.gmap-pedometer.com/?r=5491936

Can I have Tilke's job now?

so can I
http://www.gmap-pedometer.com/?r=5479097

or

http://www.gmap-pedometer.com/?r=5662301

Captain Hammer · Post by **Captain Hammer** » 24 Sep 2012, 00:05

Singapore:

http://www.gmap-pedometer.com/?r=5677005

UncreativeUsername37 · Post by **UncreativeUsername37** » 24 Sep 2012, 02:40

Captain Hammer wrote:Singapore:

http://www.gmap-pedometer.com/?r=5677005

They should have you designing everything instead of Tilke.

Captain Hammer · Post by **Captain Hammer** » 24 Sep 2012, 05:50

Thank you, but I think you'll find that Tilke didn't actually design Singapore. He made the basic layout, which was changed by a consultancy group based in Singapore. In fact, I think the original circuit design by Tilke was something like this.

Anyway, I've heard talk that the Singaporeans want to cut out the section around the cricket club next year. But if they do that, they're going to be cutting about 1.5km of the circuit, which they realy need, because if they remove it, then the circuit will be too short under the FIA regulations that dictate the minimum length of a circuit. Furthermore, they'd have to get rid of the chicanes along the waterfront, which will further cut down the circuit length. So I have no idea what they could do.

I've also heard that they want to move part of the circuit out to the Marina Bay Sands hotel, which is across the harbour to the south of the circuit. But if they want to keep the current pit facilities, their hands are even further tied, because there is no easy way down there and back. At the very least, they would have to build an entirely new bridge to get the cars out there, because the alternative is shutting down half a highway.

roblo97 · Post by **roblo97** » 24 Sep 2012, 10:19

Captain Hammer wrote:Thank you, but I think you'll find that Tilke didn't actually design Singapore. He made the basic layout, which was changed by a consultancy group based in Singapore. In fact, I think the original circuit design by Tilke was something like this.

Anyway, I've heard talk that the Singaporeans want to cut out the section around the cricket club next year. But if they do that, they're going to be cutting about 1.5km of the circuit, which they realy need, because if they remove it, then the circuit will be too short under the FIA regulations that dictate the minimum length of a circuit. Furthermore, they'd have to get rid of the chicanes along the waterfront, which will further cut down the circuit length. So I have no idea what they could do.

I've also heard that they want to move part of the circuit out to the Marina Bay Sands hotel, which is across the harbour to the south of the circuit. But if they want to keep the current pit facilities, their hands are even further tied, because there is no easy way down there and back. At the very least, they would have to build an entirely new bridge to get the cars out there, because the alternative is shutting down half a highway.

monaco is 3.3km and nobody complains about it do they

RonDenisDeletraz · Post by **RonDenisDeletraz** » 24 Sep 2012, 10:26

roblomas52 wrote:
Captain Hammer wrote:Thank you, but I think you'll find that Tilke didn't actually design Singapore. He made the basic layout, which was changed by a consultancy group based in Singapore. In fact, I think the original circuit design by Tilke was something like this.

Anyway, I've heard talk that the Singaporeans want to cut out the section around the cricket club next year. But if they do that, they're going to be cutting about 1.5km of the circuit, which they realy need, because if they remove it, then the circuit will be too short under the FIA regulations that dictate the minimum length of a circuit. Furthermore, they'd have to get rid of the chicanes along the waterfront, which will further cut down the circuit length. So I have no idea what they could do.

I've also heard that they want to move part of the circuit out to the Marina Bay Sands hotel, which is across the harbour to the south of the circuit. But if they want to keep the current pit facilities, their hands are even further tied, because there is no easy way down there and back. At the very least, they would have to build an entirely new bridge to get the cars out there, because the alternative is shutting down half a highway.

monaco is 3.3km and nobody complains about it do they

Monaco has a lot of history

girry · Post by **girry** » 24 Sep 2012, 13:33

I believe this http://www.grandprix.com/gif/singapore-track.gif was Tilke's original plan for the track, it was clockwise unlike the chosen version.

Salamander · Post by **Salamander** » 24 Sep 2012, 13:34

giraurd wrote:I believe this http://www.grandprix.com/gif/singapore-track.gif was Tilke's original plan for the track, it was clockwise unlike the chosen version.

That looks pretty good - except for the roundabout. Roundabouts on street circuits are a VERY BAD IDEA.

Captain Hammer · Post by **Captain Hammer** » 24 Sep 2012, 23:14

While it's a roundabout, it's actually quite a big one - its perimeter is about 300m. Compare that to most of the ones you see on suburban streets, which usually have a perimeter of less than ten metres.

Salamander · Post by **Salamander** » 25 Sep 2012, 01:27

Captain Hammer wrote:While it's a roundabout, it's actually quite a big one - its perimeter is about 300m. Compare that to most of the ones you see on suburban streets, which usually have a perimeter of less than ten metres.

Still a bad idea though - there's really only one entrance and exit to a roundabout when you're racing. Any attempt at an overtake will be... messy.