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Re: 2014 Pre-season Test Thread
Posted: 02 Mar 2014, 22:05
by good_Ralf
Aerospeed wrote:Besides, I think the worst year Hamilton had was in 2010, his season was very average...
Don't you mean 2011? He was a lot more dismal in 2011 than in 2010, where if he avoided just one race-ending incident, he would probably have been champion.
Freeze-O-Kimi wrote:2007? Hamilton's car only had a problem once all year. Shame it was the one race it counted
Paddy Lowe said how when Hamilton made that mistake on lap 1 a piece of rubbish ended up in the hydraulics system, causing the gearbox problem.
Re: 2014 Pre-season Test Thread
Posted: 02 Mar 2014, 22:33
by roblo97
On a different note, Chilton showed his talent in the tests by setting faster lap times than Maldonado, Grosjean and 4 time champion Vettel! Now that is what I call talent
Elsewhere, Massa must be feeling more than a bit pleased about joining Williams because damn that thing could win races. In fact I bet my avatar that either Williams come in the top 3 manufactures or Bottas gets a top 4 finish. Any takers?
Re: 2014 Pre-season Test Thread
Posted: 03 Mar 2014, 02:26
by go_Rubens
roblomas52 wrote:On a different note, Chilton showed his talent in the tests by setting faster lap times than Maldonado, Grosjean and 4 time champion Vettel! Now that is what I call talent
Elsewhere, Massa must be feeling more than a bit pleased about joining Williams because damn that thing could win races. In fact I bet my avatar that either Williams come in the top 3 manufactures or Bottas gets a top 4 finish. Any takers?
I take you on. For real this time. I think math puns ruined our previous interest in an avatar challenge
Re: 2014 Pre-season Test Thread
Posted: 03 Mar 2014, 08:51
by roblo97
go_Rubens wrote:roblomas52 wrote:On a different note, Chilton showed his talent in the tests by setting faster lap times than Maldonado, Grosjean and 4 time champion Vettel! Now that is what I call talent
Elsewhere, Massa must be feeling more than a bit pleased about joining Williams because damn that thing could win races. In fact I bet my avatar that either Williams come in the top 3 manufactures or Bottas gets a top 4 finish. Any takers?
I take you on. For real this time. I think math puns ruined our previous interest in an avatar challenge
Fine then, which one do you want to take me on at?
Re: 2014 Pre-season Test Thread
Posted: 03 Mar 2014, 09:57
by RonDenisDeletraz
Do I need to remind you of the Williams cycle?
1- Williams announce a new driver;
2- New driver says it is proud to driver for such an historical team, that it was a dream come true, blah, blah, blah;
3- One of Williams drivers promises to bring back Williams to former glory, said he oversaw and tried the new car and it should be a cracker if everything goes according to plan;
4- Williams presents their new slick and good looking car. It is "obviously and improvement on last year" and announces a new major sponsor. Williams targets big points and everyone is smiling. Leading driver is happy because he has a good feeling about the car;
5- Williams manages to top one or two testing sessions. Pundits go wild and say this is it, that Williams are dark horses to manage a great season. Someone at Williams (probably Adam Parr) comes out and plays down podiums talk but remains cautiously optimistic;
6- Williams arrives at the first venue hoping to make a great start to the season;
7- Team manages something of a result/pace although nothing near podiums or big points. It was a false start but things would soon improve;
8- But things do not improve and soon it becomes apparent that Williams are underachieving. Again;
9- Team goes into half-season interregnum talking about shifting to the year after. Talks of a "better year, next year" start.
10- Some heads roll, probably one or both drivers will be changed and a new promising "thinking head" is hired.
11- Season turns out to be another failure, almost a total disaster. Again. But team goes into the off-season bullish;
12- Go back to point 3.
Re: 2014 Pre-season Test Thread
Posted: 03 Mar 2014, 10:47
by CoopsII
RonDenisDeletraz wrote:Do I need to remind you of the Williams cycle?
How about this though...
Re: 2014 Pre-season Test Thread
Posted: 03 Mar 2014, 11:19
by DanielPT
CoopsII wrote:RonDenisDeletraz wrote:Do I need to remind you of the Williams cycle?
How about this though...
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It would be better if it was Frank Williams Cycles but that is close enough!
Re: 2014 Pre-season Test Thread
Posted: 03 Mar 2014, 13:28
by watka
Freeze-O-Kimi wrote:The Red Bull is looking more like a the Peugeot 307 WRC car from 2004: Shows the odd flourish of speed but is all too often let down by some form of problem. I wonder if Seb will follow Gronholm and announce "I'm fed up with this car"
I wonder what name he will give the car? Probably something non-broadcastable.
I think as with any season, the biggest unknown is still how the tyres will hold up in a race situation. Teams do complete long runs during testing but they are not always doing so at full blast. I think if anything, this is the biggest question mark around Mercedes as its been their weak point in the past. Peter Windsor's videos give us some insight into how different cars and drivers are driving, so you could guess that Williams (running high gears and getting wheelspin) will suffer more than Force India (running longer gear ratios and being tidier on corner exit) but until we have a side by side comparison in real race circumstances its difficult to tell.
Re: 2014 Pre-season Test Thread
Posted: 03 Mar 2014, 14:04
by SgtPepper
watka wrote:Freeze-O-Kimi wrote:The Red Bull is looking more like a the Peugeot 307 WRC car from 2004: Shows the odd flourish of speed but is all too often let down by some form of problem. I wonder if Seb will follow Gronholm and announce "I'm fed up with this car"
I wonder what name he will give the car? Probably something non-broadcastable.
I think as with any season, the biggest unknown is still how the tyres will hold up in a race situation. Teams do complete long runs during testing but they are not always doing so at full blast. I think if anything, this is the biggest question mark around Mercedes as its been their weak point in the past. Peter Windsor's videos give us some insight into how different cars and drivers are driving, so you could guess that Williams (running high gears and getting wheelspin) will suffer more than Force India (running longer gear ratios and being tidier on corner exit) but until we have a side by side comparison in real race circumstances its difficult to tell.
I think the 2014 tyres are supposed to be more conservative than recent years past -
http://grandprix247.com/2013/12/18/pirelli-testing-slower-2014-tyres-during-bahrain-test/, though of course how much more resilient is still relatively unknown. Do we know how many stops teams made on their race sims?
Re: 2014 Pre-season Test Thread
Posted: 03 Mar 2014, 18:47
by mario
Aerospeed wrote:Or the whole team for signing with Mercedes instead of Renault...
Domenicali must still be crazy, though, for calling Williams a front-running team, I just don't see it happening...
Mercedes, though, isn't really that much of a surprise - They obviously have the best engine, and their chassis design is not much different from Ferrari's, which I thought was one of the smartest of the grid (even if it looked like an elephant trunk). Now it's just a problem of picking between Rosberg and Hamilton for the championship...
It is true that, as many other posters have noted above, we have routinely seen our hopes for Williams recapturing some of their former glory cruelly dashed with alacrity once the season comes round.
That said, I can plausibly see Williams managing to secure a few strong finishes in the opening part of the season thanks to their very strong reliability - Williams managed to end the pre-season tests with the most mileage under their belts, narrowly beating Mercedes following the problems that Mercedes encountered in the final few days of the last test (both Bottas and Massa managed to rack up two race distances within a single day during the final test).
It may not necessarily be that Williams are outright faster than teams like Ferrari - in reality, I would say that the situation is more likely to be that Williams and Force India will be towards the front of the midfield pack, close enough to harass the leading teams but probably not beat them.
However, it is possible that if, say, outfits like Red Bull, Ferrari and McLaren are unable to utilise the full performance of their cars whereas Williams can, a slightly slower but steadier team could upstage the larger teams until the greater resources of the larger teams prevails in a development war.
SgtPepper wrote:watka wrote:Freeze-O-Kimi wrote:The Red Bull is looking more like a the Peugeot 307 WRC car from 2004: Shows the odd flourish of speed but is all too often let down by some form of problem. I wonder if Seb will follow Gronholm and announce "I'm fed up with this car"
I wonder what name he will give the car? Probably something non-broadcastable.
I think as with any season, the biggest unknown is still how the tyres will hold up in a race situation. Teams do complete long runs during testing but they are not always doing so at full blast. I think if anything, this is the biggest question mark around Mercedes as its been their weak point in the past. Peter Windsor's videos give us some insight into how different cars and drivers are driving, so you could guess that Williams (running high gears and getting wheelspin) will suffer more than Force India (running longer gear ratios and being tidier on corner exit) but until we have a side by side comparison in real race circumstances its difficult to tell.
I think the 2014 tyres are supposed to be more conservative than recent years past -
http://grandprix247.com/2013/12/18/pirelli-testing-slower-2014-tyres-during-bahrain-test/, though of course how much more resilient is still relatively unknown. Do we know how many stops teams made on their race sims?
It is a little problematic because some of the race simulations were disrupted by red flags, but it would appear that Pirelli do seem to have achieved their target of making the tyres a bit more robust. There were also some situations where a driver would use three different compounds during a test - i.e. a different compound for each stint - and it wasn't always clear how heavily used the tyres were before the drivers put them on for their race simulations.
That said, most of the race simulations seemed to suggest that two to three stops would be the norm and for the opening races Pirelli seem to have opted for slightly conservative tyres (medium and soft tyres for most circuits, apart from a hard/medium combination for Malaysia). As a rough guide, Pirelli seem to be suggesting that the soft, medium and hard tyres would be one grade harder than the equivalent compound from 2013 - i.e. a 2014 soft tyre would equate to a 2013 spec medium tyre and so forth. The supersoft has changed by a smaller amount, but to a certain extent that compound is a bit of an anomaly anyway given that it is only really designed for a handful of circuits (Monaco, Hungary and sometimes Singapore).
Re: 2014 Pre-season Test Thread
Posted: 03 Mar 2014, 19:21
by Shizuka
Williams 2014 livery?
Oh. My. God.
Re: 2014 Pre-season Test Thread
Posted: 03 Mar 2014, 19:41
by UncreativeUsername37
Livery of the decade so far.
Re: 2014 Pre-season Test Thread
Posted: 03 Mar 2014, 19:43
by Alextrax52
I think I'm going to puke. That back looks horrible
Re: 2014 Pre-season Test Thread
Posted: 03 Mar 2014, 19:46
by Londoner
I like it very much, apart from one small detail that no-one in this thread so far has picked up.
That's a Forza rendering.
Re: 2014 Pre-season Test Thread
Posted: 03 Mar 2014, 19:55
by DOSBoot
East Londoner wrote:I like it very much, apart from one small detail that no-one in this thread so far has picked up.
That's a Forza rendering.
Yep. Forza V to be exact. Most likely the Lotus.
Re: 2014 Pre-season Test Thread
Posted: 03 Mar 2014, 20:11
by UncreativeUsername37
East Londoner wrote:I like it very much, apart from one small detail that no-one in this thread so far has picked up.
That's a Forza rendering.
What? Damn, graphics are good these days.
Re: 2014 Pre-season Test Thread
Posted: 03 Mar 2014, 20:42
by roblo97
DOSBoot wrote:East Londoner wrote:I like it very much, apart from one small detail that no-one in this thread so far has picked up.
That's a Forza rendering.
Yep. Forza V to be exact. Most likely the Lotus.
Yep. I saw this afternoon on wtf1 during lesson and yes that is on the Lotus.
Re: 2014 Pre-season Test Thread
Posted: 03 Mar 2014, 20:44
by andrew2209
It really doesn't take much to fool people now on Twitter does it. A Forza 5 mod turns into the official livery in a few hours.
That being said, Williams have a tough job now with the livery, and if they screw it up, a lot of F1 fans will not be happy.
Re: 2014 Pre-season Test Thread
Posted: 03 Mar 2014, 20:52
by Shizuka
They should somehow follow the Ford Focus livery, but with minor modifications to it.
Re: 2014 Pre-season Test Thread
Posted: 03 Mar 2014, 21:01
by go_Rubens
roblomas52 wrote:go_Rubens wrote:roblomas52 wrote:On a different note, Chilton showed his talent in the tests by setting faster lap times than Maldonado, Grosjean and 4 time champion Vettel! Now that is what I call talent
Elsewhere, Massa must be feeling more than a bit pleased about joining Williams because damn that thing could win races. In fact I bet my avatar that either Williams come in the top 3 manufactures or Bottas gets a top 4 finish. Any takers?
I take you on. For real this time. I think math puns ruined our previous interest in an avatar challenge
Fine then, which one do you want to take me on at?
The Williams one. I'll take on your idea that Williams finish in the top 3 in the WCC this year. Fancy Charles Pic?
Re: 2014 Pre-season Test Thread
Posted: 03 Mar 2014, 21:10
by mario
roblomas52 wrote:DOSBoot wrote:East Londoner wrote:I like it very much, apart from one small detail that no-one in this thread so far has picked up.
That's a Forza rendering.
Yep. Forza V to be exact. Most likely the Lotus.
Yep. I saw this afternoon on wtf1 during lesson and yes that is on the Lotus.
It certainly seems to have caught quite a few people off their guard - I must admit, it had me wondering for a moment until you look more closely at the back and realise that the rear of the car is a little too glossy (especially the floor), which gives the game away that it is a rendering.
go_Rubens wrote:The Williams one. I'll take on your idea that Williams finish in the top 3 in the WCC this year. Fancy Charles Pic?
A bold bet - personally, I'd have thought that Bottas getting a top 4 finish would be more likely (unless, that is, I've misread the comment and roblomas52 means top four of the WDC and not simply finishing in the top 4 in a race, which is altogether a far more likely event).
Re: 2014 Pre-season Test Thread
Posted: 03 Mar 2014, 21:19
by go_Rubens
mario wrote:go_Rubens wrote:The Williams one. I'll take on your idea that Williams finish in the top 3 in the WCC this year. Fancy Charles Pic?
A bold bet - personally, I'd have thought that Bottas getting a top 4 finish would be more likely (unless, that is, I've misread the comment and roblomas52 means top four of the WDC and not simply finishing in the top 4 in a race, which is altogether a far more likely event).
I don't know. I may have misread that comment as well. He says that he bets that either Williams get top 3 in the WCC or Bottas gets a top 4, but it's kind of confusing as I referenced a previous bet that went well off after the Lack of Reject avatars thread turned into the Math Puns thread, and we never went ahead with it. So, maybe he wants either the Magnussen (which was the previous one) or the Williams one, and I have to choose between those 2, but have to take on both the Williams scenarios. I'd like to have Rob clear that one up.
Re: 2014 Pre-season Test Thread
Posted: 03 Mar 2014, 22:15
by roblo97
go_Rubens wrote:roblomas52 wrote:go_Rubens wrote:I take you on. For real this time. I think math puns ruined our previous interest in an avatar challenge
Fine then, which one do you want to take me on at?
The Williams one. I'll take on your idea that Williams finish in the top 3 in the WCC this year. Fancy Charles Pic?
I really should have made the Bottas a lot clearer and when I said top 4, I was thinking of in races but I can change it to WDC if you want.
P.S I have a small liking for Pic in me, would you like a random white water K1 kayak fail if I win?
Re: 2014 Pre-season Test Thread
Posted: 03 Mar 2014, 22:23
by go_Rubens
roblomas52 wrote:I really should have made the Bottas a lot clearer and when I said top 4, I was thinking of in races but I can change it to WDC if you want.
P.S I have a small liking for Pic in me, would you like a random white water K1 kayak fail if I win?
Well, I'll stick with the WCC one where I'll say Williams won't finish in the top 3 in the WCC.
As for your idea, think harder. I like whitewater no matter what, fail or none (I've had my own funny and random fails, one nearly lethal). Think harder
Make it anything you think I won't like.
Re: 2014 Pre-season Test Thread
Posted: 03 Mar 2014, 22:28
by roblo97
go_Rubens wrote:roblomas52 wrote:I really should have made the Bottas a lot clearer and when I said top 4, I was thinking of in races but I can change it to WDC if you want.
P.S I have a small liking for Pic in me, would you like a random white water K1 kayak fail if I win?
Well, I'll stick with the WCC one where I'll say Williams won't finish in the top 3 in the WCC.
As for your idea, think harder. I like whitewater no matter what, fail or none (I've had my own funny and random fails, one nearly lethal). Think harder
Make it anything you think I won't like.
How about the clip from the first Top Gear road trip in America where the camera focuses on the truck IIRC and on the truck it says " NASCAR SUCKS!"?
Re: 2014 Pre-season Test Thread
Posted: 03 Mar 2014, 22:49
by go_Rubens
roblomas52 wrote:go_Rubens wrote:roblomas52 wrote:I really should have made the Bottas a lot clearer and when I said top 4, I was thinking of in races but I can change it to WDC if you want.
P.S I have a small liking for Pic in me, would you like a random white water K1 kayak fail if I win?
Well, I'll stick with the WCC one where I'll say Williams won't finish in the top 3 in the WCC.
As for your idea, think harder. I like whitewater no matter what, fail or none (I've had my own funny and random fails, one nearly lethal). Think harder
Make it anything you think I won't like.
How about the clip from the first Top Gear road trip in America where the camera focuses on the truck IIRC and on the truck it says " NASCAR SUCKS!"?
I like NASCAR. So, try harder once again. Upload an image, don't tell me the idea
Re: 2014 Pre-season Test Thread
Posted: 03 Mar 2014, 22:57
by roblo97
go_Rubens wrote:roblomas52 wrote:go_Rubens wrote:Well, I'll stick with the WCC one where I'll say Williams won't finish in the top 3 in the WCC.
As for your idea, think harder. I like whitewater no matter what, fail or none (I've had my own funny and random fails, one nearly lethal). Think harder
Make it anything you think I won't like.
How about the clip from the first Top Gear road trip in America where the camera focuses on the truck IIRC and on the truck it says " NASCAR SUCKS!"?
I like NASCAR. So, try harder once again. Upload an image, don't tell me the idea
How about this…
FullMetalJack in the F1 Memes thread wrote:
Re: 2014 Pre-season Test Thread
Posted: 03 Mar 2014, 23:38
by go_Rubens
roblomas52 wrote: How about this…
FullMetalJack in the F1 Memes thread wrote:
Well, I'd take it if it wasn't for me trying to make it into an avatar. Sure, my Photoshop skills are crap except for car liveries, but I couldn't get that into a proper file size.
Sad, because for an avatar challenge, that'd be perfect for me
Well, now for my trick up the sleeve. Since you really like cubic displacement and beast power...
Re: 2014 Pre-season Test Thread
Posted: 04 Mar 2014, 07:47
by roblo97
go_Rubens wrote:roblomas52 wrote: How about this…
FullMetalJack in the F1 Memes thread wrote:
Well, I'd take it if it wasn't for me trying to make it into an avatar. Sure, my Photoshop skills are crap except for car liveries, but I couldn't get that into a proper file size.
Sad, because for an avatar challenge, that'd be perfect for me
Well, now for my trick up the sleeve. Since you really like cubic displacement and beast power...
Haha. If you really wanted an avatar that would make me ashamed, anything pro Arsenal FC/ anti Tottenham FC would be a great forfeit if I loose!
Re: 2014 Pre-season Test Thread
Posted: 04 Mar 2014, 12:57
by Wallio
go_Rubens wrote:roblomas52 wrote: How about this…
FullMetalJack in the F1 Memes thread wrote:
Well, I'd take it if it wasn't for me trying to make it into an avatar. Sure, my Photoshop skills are crap except for car liveries, but I couldn't get that into a proper file size.
Sad, because for an avatar challenge, that'd be perfect for me
Well, now for my trick up the sleeve. Since you really like cubic displacement and beast power...
Suck, Squeeze, Bang, Blow!
Re: 2014 Pre-season Test Thread
Posted: 04 Mar 2014, 15:00
by dr-baker
Wallio wrote:go_Rubens wrote:Well, now for my trick up the sleeve. Since you really like cubic displacement and beast power...
Suck, Squeeze, Bang, Blow!
Damn, Wallio, you beat me to it! Exactly what I was going to post...
It's exactly how my school Physics teacher taught me to remember the four-stroke cycle.
Re: 2014 Pre-season Test Thread
Posted: 04 Mar 2014, 20:01
by Jocke1
Wallio wrote:
Suck, Squeeze, Bang, Blow!
http://youtu.be/aIWrFNDKQ6o?t=1m33s
Re: 2014 Pre-season Test Thread
Posted: 04 Mar 2014, 20:46
by takagi_for_the_win
dr-baker wrote:Wallio wrote:Suck, Squeeze, Bang, Blow!
Damn, Wallio, you beat me to it! Exactly what I was going to post...
It's exactly how my school Physics teacher taught me to remember the four-stroke cycle.
I think literally everyone is taught to remember it like that to be honest Baker
Re: 2014 Pre-season Test Thread
Posted: 04 Mar 2014, 21:00
by mario
To be honest, I was thinking more of the time when Clarkson was showing off a transparent working model of an internal combustion engine to a female member of the audience before making a few jokes about how attractive it made him look.
James May (to the girl in the audience): It looks like you are going to be in for an evening of squeeze, suck, blow, bang.
Clarkson: Isn't that in the wrong order?
James (to Clarkson): Not for what you are thinking of...
Re: 2014 Pre-season Test Thread
Posted: 04 Mar 2014, 21:42
by Aerospeed
So this isn't something my loopy teacher taught me? Good to know...
Re: 2014 Pre-season Test Thread
Posted: 04 Mar 2014, 22:07
by go_Rubens
roblomas52 wrote:Haha. If you really wanted an avatar that would make me ashamed, anything pro Arsenal FC/ anti Tottenham FC would be a great forfeit if I loose!
We must be opposites then in terms of some British football teams. I am exactly opposite of what you think of those 2 teams
Well, how about a car with a big powerful engine and beast aerodynamics completely ruined by Arsenal's logo?
Re: 2014 Pre-season Test Thread
Posted: 04 Mar 2014, 22:11
by Jocke1
Jerez + Bahrain I + Bahrain II, combined:
1. Nico Rosberg ------------- 554 laps
2. Fernando Alonso --------- 530 laps
3. Kevin Magnussen -------- 486 laps
4. Valtteri Bottas ---------- 449 laps
5. Lewis Hamilton --------- 421 laps
6. Esteban Gutierrez ----- 403 laps
7. Felipe Massa ------------ 400 laps
8. Adrian Sutil ------------- 373 laps
9. Kimi Raikkonen -------- 345 laps
10. Nico Hulkenberg ----- 343 laps
11. Sergio Perez ---------- 337 laps
12. Jenson Button -------- 326 laps
13. Marcus Ericsson ------ 286 laps
14. Kamui Kobayashi ----- 262 laps
15. Jean-Eric Vergne ----- 257 laps
16. Daniil Kvyat ----------- 203 laps
17. Jules Bianchi --------- 186 laps
18. Sebastian Vettel ----- 161 laps
19. Daniel Ricciardo ----- 158 laps
20. Pastor Maldonado --- 147 laps
21. Max Chilton ---------- 131 laps
22. Romain Grosjean ----- 91 laps
23. Felipe Nasr ------------ 87 laps
24. Daniel Juncadella ---- 81 laps
25. Robin Frijns ----------- 78 laps
Re: 2014 Pre-season Test Thread
Posted: 04 Mar 2014, 23:16
by UncreativeUsername37
Jocke1 wrote:18. Sebastian Vettel ----- 161 laps
19. Daniel Ricciardo ----- 158 laps
CONSPERACYZ!!11
Re: 2014 Pre-season Test Thread
Posted: 05 Mar 2014, 01:57
by Cynon
UgncreativeUsergname wrote:Jocke1 wrote:18. Sebastian Vettel ----- 161 laps
19. Daniel Ricciardo ----- 158 laps
CONSPERACYZ!!11
161-158 = 3
3 = Number on Daniel Ricciardo's car.
3 = Dale Earnhardt's number, which is present on Ricciardo's helmet. (below)
Ricciardo confirmed for being Earnhardt reincarnated.
Re: 2014 Pre-season Test Thread
Posted: 05 Mar 2014, 07:47
by roblo97
go_Rubens wrote:roblomas52 wrote:Haha. If you really wanted an avatar that would make me ashamed, anything pro Arsenal FC/ anti Tottenham FC would be a great forfeit if I loose!
We must be opposites then in terms of some British football teams. I am exactly opposite of what you think of those 2 teams
Well, how about a car with a big powerful engine and beast aerodynamics completely ruined by Arsenal's logo?
That car is indeed ruined. I will post my reserve choice of avatar for you later.