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Nessafox · Post by **Nessafox** » 22 Oct 2013, 20:55

Eurobrun, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qvPugcb7QGE

Aerospeed · Post by **Aerospeed** » 23 Oct 2013, 02:03

This wrote:Eurobrun, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qvPugcb7QGE

(Insert obligatory Shirley quote here)

FullMetalJack · Post by **FullMetalJack** » 23 Oct 2013, 07:13

eurobrun wrote:Bloody hell, did you have to be so insulting about it Pasta. I see your point but that was just a horrible thing to say.

check the ruined dreams thread to know what I am talking about.

Take it easy man, surely we've all received worse insults before, I know I have.

RonDenisDeletraz · Post by **RonDenisDeletraz** » 23 Oct 2013, 09:32

Yes I have received worse insults before, but that comment was still quite offensive. I know I have anger management issues and I absolutely hate that I do, but I am trying really hard to fix my problems.

And what Stramala said about playing the victim card was totally false, I do not want fake sympathy or any rubbish like that

Post by **DemocalypseNow** » 23 Oct 2013, 11:26

eurobrun wrote:And what Stramala said about playing the victim card was totally false, I do not want fake sympathy or any rubbish like that

A little life lesson;

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oRGAUogxhcg

See, intentions don't matter. The perception of your actions by others is what decides what your comments mean. It's a tough fact of life. If something keeps happening you don't like (i.e. people berating you for saying certain things), and a pattern exists connecting all these events (i.e. calling people out at the drop of a hat for things that really weren't deserving of it), you should consider taking this into account and adjusting your responses accordingly. Even if perhaps you don't like it, or don't think it's fair. Because that's how everybody else gets by.

CoopsII · Post by **CoopsII** » 23 Oct 2013, 15:40

Stramala wrote:
eurobrun wrote:And what Stramala said about playing the victim card was totally false, I do not want fake sympathy or any rubbish like that

A little life lesson;

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oRGAUogxhcg

Although I always enjoy a Pulp Fiction clip using that particular one MAKES NO SENSE. Seriously, WTF? Avoid best intentions or Mace Windu will come round and pop a cap in yo ass?

RonDenisDeletraz · Post by **RonDenisDeletraz** » 24 Oct 2013, 05:33

Stramala wrote:(i.e. calling people out at the drop of a hat for things that really weren't deserving of it)

It looks like you are the one who is playing the victim card here :roll:

roblo97 · Post by **roblo97** » 24 Oct 2013, 06:44

eurobrun, think yourself lucky that Bottas stil has 0 points

Salamander · Post by **Salamander** » 24 Oct 2013, 08:36

eurobrun wrote:
Stramala wrote:(i.e. calling people out at the drop of a hat for things that really weren't deserving of it)

It looks like you are the one who is playing the victim card here

No, he's not. Because that's something that you do. Did you learn nothing from, for example, the whole Formula Community debacle that you caused specifically by not reading something that you really should have?

RonDenisDeletraz · Post by **RonDenisDeletraz** » 24 Oct 2013, 10:31

Salamander wrote:
eurobrun wrote:
Stramala wrote:(i.e. calling people out at the drop of a hat for things that really weren't deserving of it)

It looks like you are the one who is playing the victim card here

No, he's not. Because that's something that you do. Did you learn nothing from, for example, the whole Formula Community debacle that you caused specifically by not reading something that you really should have?

I accidentally didn't see something, it was not delibrate idiocy. And I would like to forget about all of Formula Community tbh. My point is that he has called people out on stuff but done very simliar stuff himself.

And Roblomas, Bottas has precicely nothing to do with any of this. :roll:

CoopsII · Post by **CoopsII** » 24 Oct 2013, 10:32

Chill out guys, cant we all get our points across through the medium of Pulp Fiction clips? :lol:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g4UeHWPeOrA

Post by **DemocalypseNow** » 24 Oct 2013, 11:45

Meatwad wrote:
Stramala wrote:Susie Wolff got an honuourary degree from Edinburgh University yesterday. My first question is...

WHY?

She hasn't done anything noteworthy in sport, ever. Sportspeople shouldn't even get honourary degrees to begin with. But of all the sportspeople to give it to...her?

No one should get honorary degrees. It just makes a mockery of people who have worked hard to get an actual degree. Perhaps an exception could be made for someone that has really achieved something exceptionally noteworthy in that field.

Giving it to an athlete is still better than some random politician, though.

It's still not right that it's happening at all, but at least my university seems to know how to do it properly...no giving it away to nobodies like they seem to do in Edinburgh!

Jocke1 · Post by **Jocke1** » 26 Oct 2013, 12:15

MotoGP (Motegi) & F1 (India) airing sessions simultaneously =

dr-baker · Post by **dr-baker** » 26 Oct 2013, 20:03

Jocke1 wrote:MotoGP (Motegi) & F1 (India) airing sessions simultaneously =

If you're into MotoGP, I think the answer is obvious. I am not a MotoGP fan, but I am not watching the Indian GP live (I have access to both live Sky and BBC coverage legally), because I have other plans. And this is one race that I am simply not bothered about not watching live. Because it's India.

Although I now suspect it'll mean I'll miss a corker of a race... Hopefully!

Alextrax52 · Post by **Alextrax52** » 26 Oct 2013, 20:06

dr-baker wrote:
Jocke1 wrote:MotoGP (Motegi) & F1 (India) airing sessions simultaneously =

If you're into MotoGP, I think the answer is obvious. I am not a MotoGP fan, but I am not watching the Indian GP live (I have access to both live Sky and BBC coverage legally), because I have other plans. And this is one race that I am simply not bothered about not watching live. Because it's India.

Although I now suspect it'll mean I'll miss a corker of a race... Hopefully!

If you do miss it and it is a cracker then i can add that as an egg on face moment

dr-baker · Post by **dr-baker** » 26 Oct 2013, 20:08

Freeze-O-Kimi wrote:
dr-baker wrote:
Jocke1 wrote:MotoGP (Motegi) & F1 (India) airing sessions simultaneously =

If you're into MotoGP, I think the answer is obvious. I am not a MotoGP fan, but I am not watching the Indian GP live (I have access to both live Sky and BBC coverage legally), because I have other plans. And this is one race that I am simply not bothered about not watching live. Because it's India.

Although I now suspect it'll mean I'll miss a corker of a race... Hopefully!

If you do miss it and it is a cracker then i can add that as an egg on face moment

I will definitely miss it (Sunday School commitments), and I would love it if it did turn out to be a corker, so bring on the egg!

RonDenisDeletraz · Post by **RonDenisDeletraz** » 27 Oct 2013, 11:04

I do not want to witness the reactions, see you in a couple days or so

Post by **Londoner** » 27 Oct 2013, 11:44

eurobrun wrote:I do not want to witness the reactions, see you in a couple days or so

Mate, you've gotta start being more cheerful around here. The reaction to Vettel's title on here has been respectful at the moment.

Shadaza · Post by **Shadaza** » 27 Oct 2013, 12:39

East Londoner wrote:
eurobrun wrote:I do not want to witness the reactions, see you in a couple days or so

Mate, you've gotta start being more cheerful around here. The reaction to Vettel's title on here has been respectful at the moment.

Weee ring ding ding ding, YESSSSSS.

CoopsII · Post by **CoopsII** » 27 Oct 2013, 12:42

East Londoner wrote:
eurobrun wrote:I do not want to witness the reactions, see you in a couple days or so

Mate, you've gotta start being more cheerful around here. The reaction to Vettel's title on here has been respectful at the moment.

And even if it isnt, ignore the haters as they are unintelligent knobheads.

Alextrax52 · Post by **Alextrax52** » 27 Oct 2013, 12:49

CoopsII wrote:
East Londoner wrote:
eurobrun wrote:I do not want to witness the reactions, see you in a couple days or so

Mate, you've gotta start being more cheerful around here. The reaction to Vettel's title on here has been respectful at the moment.

And even if it isnt, ignore the haters as they are unintelligent knobheads.

Well said Coops2. The reaction to his title here has been respectful and it has been reasonably well received on F1Fanatic. Everywhere else however have so called "fans" trying to belittle Seb by saying it was Newey that won the title instead. He isn't a 1 man team and Red Bull have shown that

SgtPepper · Post by **SgtPepper** » 27 Oct 2013, 13:26

Freeze-O-Kimi wrote:
Well said Coops2. The reaction to his title here has been respectful and it has been reasonably well received on F1Fanatic. Everywhere else however have so called "fans" trying to belittle Seb by saying it was Newey that won the title instead. He isn't a 1 man team and Red Bull have shown that

Even someone like me who doesn't rate Vettel will openly admit Red Bull have been the best team for awhile now. I know it must make it much easier to strategise when you know your car has such a huge margin over the rest of the field, but even in that one brief window last year that Mclaren had a car to match Newey's, they threw it away with reliability/pit stops.

CoopsII · Post by **CoopsII** » 29 Oct 2013, 08:31

OK, so this isnt technically a Rant but neither is it a Ponder and rather than start a new A Bit Annoyed thread just work with me yeah?

Changing helmet designs. See, I told you it wasnt a biggie.

Perhaps its my age, perhaps the yoof dont see no problem wid dat, but I do. And, I think, the person who started this particular trend was Eddie bloody Irvine when he swapped from his lovely orange helmet to that god awful probably-drawn-by-a-12-year-old Jaguar one. These days, of course, Seb Vettel perhaps couldnt pick his helmet out of a line-up and he isnt the only one. I like when drivers incorporate tributes or milestones into their existing designs but for the likes of Hamilton or Alonso thats just too subtle, they just come out with a completely different helmet. The Raikkonen/Hunt was good but the timing made no sense.

It isnt because I cant recognise the drivers its just that your helmet design is your helmet design, if you decide you chose a crap one when you were a thirteen year old karter then thats just tough.

Anyway, thats me done.

dr-baker · Post by **dr-baker** » 29 Oct 2013, 17:56

CoopsII wrote:OK, so this isnt technically a Rant but neither is it a Ponder and rather than start a new A Bit Annoyed thread just work with me yeah?

Changing helmet designs. See, I told you it wasnt a biggie.

Perhaps its my age, perhaps the yoof dont see no problem wid dat, but I do. And, I think, the person who started this particular trend was Eddie bloody Irvine when he swapped from his lovely orange helmet to that god awful probably-drawn-by-a-12-year-old Jaguar one. These days, of course, Seb Vettel perhaps couldnt pick his helmet out of a line-up and he isnt the only one. I like when drivers incorporate tributes or milestones into their existing designs but for the likes of Hamilton or Alonso thats just too subtle, they just come out with a completely different helmet. The Raikkonen/Hunt was good but the timing made no sense.

It isnt because I cant recognise the drivers its just that your helmet design is your helmet design, if you decide you chose a crap one when you were a thirteen year old karter then thats just tough.

Anyway, thats me done.

+1.

go_Rubens · Post by **go_Rubens** » 30 Oct 2013, 02:48

CoopsII wrote:OK, so this isnt technically a Rant but neither is it a Ponder and rather than start a new A Bit Annoyed thread just work with me yeah?

Changing helmet designs. See, I told you it wasnt a biggie.

Perhaps its my age, perhaps the yoof dont see no problem wid dat, but I do. And, I think, the person who started this particular trend was Eddie bloody Irvine when he swapped from his lovely orange helmet to that god awful probably-drawn-by-a-12-year-old Jaguar one. These days, of course, Seb Vettel perhaps couldnt pick his helmet out of a line-up and he isnt the only one. I like when drivers incorporate tributes or milestones into their existing designs but for the likes of Hamilton or Alonso thats just too subtle, they just come out with a completely different helmet. The Raikkonen/Hunt was good but the timing made no sense.

It isnt because I cant recognise the drivers its just that your helmet design is your helmet design, if you decide you chose a crap one when you were a thirteen year old karter then thats just tough.

Anyway, thats me done.

That's a good point to make. If drivers had helmet designs that actually was true to themselves, then this problem would be nonexistent. This is why I can easily recognize guys like Hülkenberg or Gutiérrez in an open wheel car, because they don't change their helmet designs. At the least, very rarely.

SgtPepper · Post by **SgtPepper** » 30 Oct 2013, 21:40

If Maldonado gets a drive before Hulkenberg it will perfectly summarise this entire despicable season, and the pitiful, loathesome, degenerate mess F1 has become.

Gerudo Dragon · Post by **Gerudo Dragon** » 30 Oct 2013, 21:44

SgtPepper wrote:If Maldonado gets a drive before Hulkenberg it will perfectly summarise this entire despicable season, and the pitiful, loathesome, degenerate mess F1 has become.

I don't know about F1 being pitiful, loathesome, degenerate mess, but yeah in my opinion this season's been rubbish.

Cynon · Post by **Cynon** » 31 Oct 2013, 00:06

I'm hoping Maldolan gets the drive, because it would be FAR more exciting than Nico Hulkenberg getting the drive... what, you don't like rejectful driving at the front of the grid as well as at the back? I am disappoint. :evil:

The above is actually serious.

go_Rubens · Post by **go_Rubens** » 31 Oct 2013, 00:31

Cynon wrote:I'm hoping Maldolan gets the drive, because it would be FAR more exciting than Nico Hulkenberg getting the drive... what, you don't like rejectful driving at the front of the grid as well as at the back? I am disappoint.

The above is actually serious.

I think Pérez did that pretty well this year, but then again, his car was not as much of a front runner as well as a total failure.

Jocke1 · Post by **Jocke1** » 01 Nov 2013, 17:40

Uuurrgghhh, what is wrong with the producers of Sky Sports and BBC Sports F1 coverages?

Last weekend in India, BBC's Suzi Perry had to apologize to the viewers about the fact that Vettel said he used to have a Michael Schumacher-poster on his wall in his teens, and later on took it down, replacing it with

girls in bikinis

And moments later he mentioned they would celebrate later on with

drinks, probably not water

That's it.
Perry had to apologize for that! Most likely told to do so by her producer. And she blamed it on

of course it was in his second language, so we can forgive him for that cheeky little word that slipped out, I think. So we apologize for that, and obviously that was live.

Really?!

And a couple weeks ago Vettel was being interviewed in the paddock by Sky F1. Someone was off camera taking pictures and this warning appeared:

I realize that the warning was probably aimed at epileptics, but how much PC must they be?
Why not keep a generic epilepsy warning in the subscription contract for the channel?
If they hadn't put up the warning, could they have been sued? I don't know, I just shake my head.

It's like Sky and BBC, and many other media outlets, think everyone are re**rds and have the IQ level of a kitchen blender.
I feel like this guy

dr-baker · Post by **dr-baker** » 01 Nov 2013, 18:19

Jocke1 wrote:And a couple weeks ago Vettel was being interviewed in the paddock by Sky F1. Someone was off camera taking pictures and this warning appeared:

Damn, I missed a Susie Wolff interview? No wonder there was a warning of flash photography with her around!

Cynon · Post by **Cynon** » 01 Nov 2013, 22:34

dr-baker wrote:
Jocke1 wrote:And a couple weeks ago Vettel was being interviewed in the paddock by Sky F1. Someone was off camera taking pictures and this warning appeared:

Damn, I missed a Susie Wolff interview? No wonder there was a warning of flash photography with her around!

The kind of warning that should be in front of every music video ever?

Jocke1 · Post by **Jocke1** » 02 Nov 2013, 08:27

dr-baker wrote:
Jocke1 wrote:And a couple weeks ago Vettel was being interviewed in the paddock by Sky F1. Someone was off camera taking pictures and this warning appeared:

Damn, I missed a Susie Wolff interview? No wonder there was a warning of flash photography with her around!

She didn't get to say anything, though.

LellaLombardi · Post by **LellaLombardi** » 02 Nov 2013, 11:42

If Kimi won't race in the last two races because he hasn't been paid, fine, give the seat to Hulkenberg instead. Who IIRC wasn't paid by Sauber for a long time (or may not even have been yet) but rather than jumping ship has put in a great effort for them and delivered the results they needed to become more financially stable.

I'm not saying they're in the right to not pay him, but this is a petulant response especially, as Lotus said, they must focus on paying their other employees first.

Kimi is another driver who goes up and down a lot in my estimation, but my opinion of him is rock bottom at the moment. He just sees no point in being nice to anyone or thinking of anyone besides himself.

And as others have said, it will be criminal if the Hulk is out of a drive next year.

Post by **kevinbotz** » 02 Nov 2013, 14:48

LellaLombardi wrote:If Kimi won't race in the last two races because he hasn't been paid, fine, give the seat to Hulkenberg instead. Who IIRC wasn't paid by Sauber for a long time (or may not even have been yet) but rather than jumping ship has put in a great effort for them and delivered the results they needed to become more financially stable.

I'm not saying they're in the right to not pay him, but this is a petulant response especially, as Lotus said, they must focus on paying their other employees first.

Kimi is another driver who goes up and down a lot in my estimation, but my opinion of him is rock bottom at the moment. He just sees no point in being nice to anyone or thinking of anyone besides himself.

And as others have said, it will be criminal if the Hulk is out of a drive next year.

As cruel as it is, and as callous as it may seem, if an employee is not compensated by his employer according to his contract, then what reason should the employee continue to provide his labor, regardless of the impecunity of said employer?

Hulkenberg and Raikkonen are in two dichotomically different situations. Raikkonen has already secured his future at Ferrari for next season. Raikkonen is a former world champion who is, at present, one of the most highly-rated drivers on the grid. Raikkonen, who really has no incentive to continue to drive for a team that has palpably gravitated towards his teammate and felt compelled to curse at him to yield to aforementioned teammate.

Hulkenberg, on the other hand, has still yet to secure a contract. Even when considering the dire financial straits of his team, he has every incentive to continue driving for said team, regardless of the competitive situation, regardless of the financial situation. Hulkenberg is desperate for every second he can take in a race seat to demonstrate to teams the extent of his talent. Unlike Raikkonen, Hulkenberg cannot afford to abide by the conventional logic regarding inadequate compensation. For him, a race seat is compensation enough.

I've never been much of a Raikkonen fan, even when he was driving for McLaren. But I did want to elucidate the rational reasons behind Raikkonen's reactions and responses following India, and highlight the intrinsic disparity between Hulkenberg and Raikkonen's circumstances. I am of the belief that if Hulkenberg was placed in the same situation as Raikkonen, where he had already secured a contract and was subsequently marginalized without payment, he would have behaved and reacted in a largely similar way. Any driver would have.

Jocke1 · Post by **Jocke1** » 02 Nov 2013, 15:03

kevinbotz wrote: Any driver would have.

Even Mazzacane?

Post by **kevinbotz** » 02 Nov 2013, 20:30

Jocke1 wrote:
kevinbotz wrote: Any driver would have.

Even Mazzacane?

Yes, even Mazzacane.

lgaquino · Post by **lgaquino** » 02 Nov 2013, 23:08

Of course, for mazzaccane to be in that situation a LOT of 'ifs' would have to come into place :lol:

Out of curiosity, when usually a driver gets paid? Before, during or after the season? Because according to Kimi he hasn't been paid yet. which implies there was a date [or some] during the course of the season..
Maybe it varies, depending on the contract...But surely it's not a regular monthly payment.. :?:

All in all, it's good to remember they're professionals. Even if it's a dream job and they're already millionaires, their services are not for free.

And it seems Kimi had to deal with that last year too. maybe he just got fed up.

dr-baker · Post by **dr-baker** » 02 Nov 2013, 23:45

Jocke1 wrote:
dr-baker wrote:
Jocke1 wrote:And a couple weeks ago Vettel was being interviewed in the paddock by Sky F1. Someone was off camera taking pictures and this warning appeared:

Damn, I missed a Susie Wolff interview? No wonder there was a warning of flash photography with her around!

She didn't get to say anything, though.

She would not have needed to.

Although I now feel guilty for blatant sexism.

go_Rubens · Post by **go_Rubens** » 03 Nov 2013, 04:34

LellaLombardi wrote:If Kimi won't race in the last two races because he hasn't been paid, fine, give the seat to Hulkenberg instead. Who IIRC wasn't paid by Sauber for a long time (or may not even have been yet) but rather than jumping ship has put in a great effort for them and delivered the results they needed to become more financially stable.

I'm not saying they're in the right to not pay him, but this is a petulant response especially, as Lotus said, they must focus on paying their other employees first.

Kimi is another driver who goes up and down a lot in my estimation, but my opinion of him is rock bottom at the moment. He just sees no point in being nice to anyone or thinking of anyone besides himself.

And as others have said, it will be criminal if the Hulk is out of a drive next year.

1) I'd personally like to see the Hülk go to Lotus if Kimi doesn't show up, but then who would Sauber replace him with? Hopefully Frijns. Sauber are already better off than they were before with finances based on their WCC placing, and losing Hülk doesn't mean much as he has no sponsors anyway.

2) No, Lotus are not in the right to not pay him. You don't make Kimi mad, and Lotus made him mad (even if his slightly mad money demands are, well, mad). As a result, he'll just leave and not on a high note. Lotus may not have done themselves any favors. When Lotus said the thing about paying other employees first, it makes no sense, as the "other" employees have most likely not worked as hard as Kimi. Give Iceman his salary.

3) His seeing no point in being nice to anyone or thinking of anyone is just classic Kimi :lol:

Although, it is kind of on a new level now. He seems more tense, his attitude seems to boil at a certain point on his thermometer.

4) Agreed. But I won't honestly be surprised if he misses out on a drive. His not having any sponsors most certainly doesn't help, nor does a start to the season that isn't the best.