Grand Prix Rejects

eurobrun wrote:
Life isn't worth living if you are not respected by anyone.

The only person you need respect from is yourself. That's it.

Besides, respect from other people is a two-way thing. If you want people to take note and give you their undying respect, you have to earn it, and you don't get that by backing yourself into a corner and curling up into a ball.

If I have an opinion, I expect criticism. When I first stated my intention to remove the F1RDS name and replace with AutoReject, you were well within your rights to criticise. And you did, along with a couple of others. Although I understand your critique, I chose to ignore it because I quite liked the name, but that didn't mean I didn't give it the time of day. When someone criticises YOUR opinion, you squeal and shriek and cry like we've just shat on your pillow and stolen your dog.

It doesn't help that you came into chat the other day, and completely out of the blue said "I don't know why, but I find Vernge (sic) really boring". That remark wasn't a) in the vein of the conversation that was going on at the time, and b) you were quite rightly told that you don't know the guy and therefore can't really be taken seriously. Just take a step back for a moment and think about it.

I'm not tell you this to spite you, or because I "disrespect" you. I'm saying this to ensure that you don't constantly find yourself on the wrong end of the stick; if you're giving an opinion that seems out of place, or it was an opinion that wasn't asked for, it 9 times out of 10 means that you don't have to vocalise it. Then there's more chance that you won't get pulled up on it, and then we won't have whinging about disrespect or all other nonsense like that.

eurobrun wrote:

Dark77 wrote:Instead of wanting other people to respect your opinions, you just have to not care about what they think of them. 8)

I could not disagree more with this. The most important thing in life is what other people think of you. As much as people try to deny it, someone is a worthless prick if nobody else respects them.

All your arguments are worthless anyway. Respect is only worthwhile if it's earned, not if it's demanded, or in other cases, bought. You want us to respect you just because you tell us so? Isn't that worse than none at all?

Respect is earned by your actions. If you aren't getting any, you should stop pointing the finger at others, and start considering why your actions don't garner any respect from your peers. This is not a school playground, nobody here sets out to get at you, so if you're being talked down to, it's because you genuinely did something wrong. This is perhaps, the fourth or fifth time I've tried to explain this concept. Please start taking heed, or nobody will respect you for anything ever, if you can't take a simple life lesson and apply it, instead of crying wolf because you don't like what you're hearing, which is what has happened repeatedly over the last year or two.

Let me give you a push; opinions can be flat out wrong. Your opinon that what Dark77 said is incorrect is just plain wrong. How do you think successful people got to where they are? Sometimes there opinions were right, and sometimes they were wrong, but their total insistence helped them push forward despite others (sometimes rightfully and sometimes wrongfully) knocking them back. If you can't take criticism and turn it back into something useful, you'll fail at life. Lots of people here are trying to give you advice and you are throwing it back in their face. You have shown the least respect of anyone here.

And obviously, you thought the best way to get respect was by complaining you don't get enough respect. Makes perfect sense

All the respect i earned in life, i earned it by respecting others first. Which meant a lot of dissapointments and failures. Deal with it.
But also, as others pointed out, you should be damn thankful these people here have had so many patience with you. I insist that you apologise to them. I can't force you, but someday they will run out of patience, and nobody will feel sorry for you. If the fact that nobody will miss you bothers you, well, what in the hell do you want, then? You expect unconditional love and friendship?
And you think the assholes here got more respect than you do? Trust me, they don't. It's people who do an effort here who get respect. And even then, i don't do lot of effort, but i don't notice any lack of respect here, what do you want, really? Of course, people who get more respect, also get more criticism: deal with it, or do nothing at all.

And Stramala, keep calm, you're sort of his opposite, you got way too much temperament and you know it.

eurobrun wrote:

Dark77 wrote:Instead of wanting other people to respect your opinions, you just have to not care about what they think of them. 8)

I could not disagree more with this. The most important thing in life is what other people think of you. As much as people try to deny it, someone is a worthless prick if nobody else respects them.

Anybody else feeling the deja vu right now?

Also, how is respect measured on here anyway? Thinking about it I have absolutely no idea whether I'm respected or not, partly because I dont care and partly because I've never paid attention as to whether responses were supposedly respectful or not.

But its mainly the not caring thing.

Its a shame that this dumb feud is still going on, both of you are partly in the wrong usually. Stramala needs to stop finding fault with most things Eurobrun does and generally not accepting and being outspoken about any opinions other than his own, and Eurobrun needs to stop whinging every time someone disagrees with him.

That was probably too harsh, but I think most of the forum is sick of these twos petty fights

eurobrun wrote:The most important thing in life is what other people think of you.

I don't agree with that. Why do you think that? (not to start an argument, just curious)

Shizuka wrote:

eurobrun wrote:The most important thing in life is what other people think of you.

I don't agree with that. Why do you think that? (not to start an argument, just curious)

I think that my value as a person is defined by how others view me. I do respect the vast majority of the people that have registered here, but I hate how I am the laughing stock of the forum. I know that some things I have done may have warranted it, but that doesn't make it any less horrible

I wouldn't normally comment on off topic, but since it's the official F1OffTopic forums we're on and this is in rantbox thread anyway..;

Personally I kind of do sympatize with eurobrun's views on the importance of how others view you, since i can't help it, i'm similar in that sense, thinking a lot (too much) about what others think about me and my behaviour...and it's not a bad trait in a person in my opinion, I manage to live just fine. So I would understand that it's a pain to feel like a laughing stock for him.

however, eurobrun's just plain wrong to think he's some kind of laughing stock here..or at least I don't sense the vibe. Sure, people disagree with his opinions, but opinions =/= what 99% people base their respect on a person. If I took it personally every single time when someone disagrees with me, I would imagine my life would be really miserable too.

eurobrun wrote:I hate how I am the laughing stock of the forum

Meh, I don't have any problems with you nor with anyone else here. I respect your opinion as such. I might not agree with it, but this is the least I should do.

Opinion Time:

1) Juan Pablo Montoya deserved to be world champion
2) Plus one group are the best conglomerate in the PMMF

These are just my opinions. You may disagree with me. Some of you may even express you opinion in an attempt to persuade me I'm wrong. But those who disagree with me don't hate me, or laugh at me, JUST because of my opinion.

I can understand why you want to be accepted. Buy by basically thumping your fist and demanding to be respected isn't going to help. As other people have said, respect is a two way thing. As a general rule, someone who has to tell someone else to respect them isn't respected as well.

If you want to be respected, acknowledge those who have gave you advice eurobrun, instead of ignoring it and continuing on your merry way like we are trying to deride or belittle you. You have to know when to take advice. This is one of those times.

Pasta out.

I don't really want to be involved much with this, but I want to throw this into the ring, as it were. There are a few people who are close to me whose opinions I care about - family and a few close friends. Their opinions I care about. Anybody else who I am not obliged to spend time with (I am not obliged to be here, and I am unlikely to meet any of you in real life), who cares? I love being here, but if there's a dispute, who cares? I don't have to be here, and it has no impact whatsoever on the rest of my life. Says the person with the second-highest post count here...

I agree with Mr.Baker here. I don't lose any sleep at night thinking about this forum if there's been an argument or a member throwing his toys out the pram and I suppose 99% of the forum will agree with this. Everyone is different and I can't change how everyone thinks and feels. And neither should you Eurobrun. But I've tried explaining this before to you and you quite literally, threw my advice back in my face. So now I will offer my advice just one more time and you can do what you want with this advice. Listen and take it in, or tell me to bathplug off. I don't care anymore. There's bigger things in my life than worrying about some Australian teenager who thinks the world is against him and everyone else was born yesterday and we don't know 'how everything so sooo unfair' to you. Whatever. Grow up. Get over it. Stop bathplug moaning.

Harsh words. But that's my outlook on life now. Get on with it, or give up.

I'm fighting cancer, and I don't moan nearly as much as you. Explain that...

Now I'm not fully in the loop here, but does the fact that a legendary driver is fighting for his life with his wife and kids not knowing what state he will be in if he does pull through mean we can get a bit of perspective here?

AdrianSutil wrote:I'm fighting cancer, and I don't moan nearly as much as you. Explain that...

You clearly have a lot about you that deserves admiration, stay well. And yes someone connected to our sport is circling the drain right now so can we park this nonsense for now and hope for his recovery?

AdrianSutil wrote:I'm fighting cancer, and I don't moan nearly as much as you. Explain that...

The best way I can explain it is that you're dealing with it very admirably, and it's great to see you on here again. I can't ever remember you moaning to be honest. Also, eurobrun needs to get some perspective, badly.

pasta_maldonado wrote:Opinion Time:

1) Juan Pablo Montoya deserved to be world champion.

Possibly in 2003, no other season though. Although I only half paid attention in Formula 1 back in 2003, I was hoping that out of the three title challengers, he'd be the one to take the championship.

eurobrun wrote:I think that my value as a person is defined by how others view me.

It's not. It's what you do and who you are (to a lesser extent), not other people's perspective on such, that defines your value as a person. I don't view this forum often, and I'm not totally familiar with the people here, but I'm getting the impression that you care too much about what others think. Seriously, if everyone thought like that, not a single person in the world would be happy because they're wasting their time worrying to much about how others think of them. I don't change myself to suit other people, because it's really not worth it. Don't worry about what other people think of you, because it doesn't matter (especially on an internet forum, which Baker has already pointed out). If people like me for who I am, I appreciate it, but if people don't like or respect me, I don't really care and it's not worth worrying about because it's their problem, not mine.

Mexicola wrote:

eurobrun wrote:I think that my value as a person is defined by how others view me.

It's not. It's what you do and who you are (to a lesser extent), not other people's perspective on such, that defines your value as a person. I don't view this forum often, and I'm not totally familiar with the people here, but I'm getting the impression that you care too much about what others think. Seriously, if everyone thought like that, not a single person in the world would be happy because they're wasting their time worrying to much about how others think of them. I don't change myself to suit other people, because it's really not worth it. Don't worry about what other people think of you, because it doesn't matter (especially on an internet forum, which Baker has already pointed out). If people like me for who I am, I appreciate it, but if people don't like or respect me, I don't really care and it's not worth worrying about because it's their problem, not mine.

100% true. You can't be everyone's cup of tea. I know i'm not.

eurobrun wrote:I hate how I am the laughing stock of the forum

You never been anything remotely close to a laughing stock here. You never did anything as annoying as a few others who made themselves impossble here. But if you insist, i could always start disliking you from now on? Would that make you feel better? Would it make you feel better if i told you to shut up? I think people in here know me good enough to understand it takes a lot to make me say things like this. But you should defenitely seek therapy. And i don't mean that as an insult, i'm even willing to admit that i've needed some therapy too once in a while! But your low self-esteem is getting out of hand. Your rivalry with Stramala is getting ridiculous. Yes, he needs some anger management too (and he knows that i'm right about that). Why do you even care what he says if you don't like him anyway? Do you secretly got a crush on each other? Well, if you don't, what's the problem? Why does it means so much to you both that you can't let it go?
I always keep saying 'i believe in this forum', but your rivalries must stop! And yes, i'm also talking to guys like Stramala who often decide it's a good idea to unnecessairliy fuel EuroBruns fire. Just ignore the kid if you can't stand him, okay? You haven't done much wrong in this particular discussion, but i know your rivalry goes back for a long time.

Yes, you all should defenitely take an example from AdrianSutil (the one of the forum, not the real one), he's been trough shite that's a million times worse than what you guys are going trough, but the way he copes with this, that is what earnes you respect. He refuses to use his disease as an excuse, and actually suffers a lot more than he'd like to admit. He's not whinging like a little bitch, but chooses to be strong and even tries to be upbeat instead. Guys like this earn respect.

Yes, i know i talk too much. And i should probably ignore you guys.

Freeze-O-Kimi wrote:

Mexicola wrote:

eurobrun wrote:I think that my value as a person is defined by how others view me.

It's not. It's what you do and who you are (to a lesser extent), not other people's perspective on such, that defines your value as a person. I don't view this forum often, and I'm not totally familiar with the people here, but I'm getting the impression that you care too much about what others think. Seriously, if everyone thought like that, not a single person in the world would be happy because they're wasting their time worrying to much about how others think of them. I don't change myself to suit other people, because it's really not worth it. Don't worry about what other people think of you, because it doesn't matter (especially on an internet forum, which Baker has already pointed out). If people like me for who I am, I appreciate it, but if people don't like or respect me, I don't really care and it's not worth worrying about because it's their problem, not mine.

100% true. You can't be everyone's cup of tea. I know i'm not.

I would add my support to those who point out that, in the grand scheme of things, it is not worthwhile tormenting yourself over something as trivial as a few cross words on an internet forum.

With the benefit of a bit of life experience, I would add that the people you love and who love you are the only ones whose opinion matters. As for everyone else, by all means listen but no-one can make you feel bad unless you let them.

Now I don't personally know the guy in my avatar, but given the amount of criticism he's had in his career, I'd wager this is something he lives by.

This wrote: But you should defenitely seek therapy.

This!

I reinforce This idea. It is not an insult, it is something that not only you but many others could make use of. It is no shame to admit it. I used it in the past for another problem I add.

Sometimes it gets to the point that no matter what you say, it actually doesn't help (especially when everyone is keen to throw their two cents in). I know everyone has the best intentions at heart, but I think the best thing now is for everyone to move on.

In other news, after reading Murray Walker's autobiography for the second time recently, I'm starting to be slightly more open to the fact that Bernie doesn't need to be the object of my hate and ridicule. When I eventually get around to watching 1 (the film), I might even be able to respect him. It seems he pushed pretty hard for safety, not as hard as Sid Watkins or Jackie Stewart perhaps, but his ability to make deals definitely would have contributed.

eurobrun wrote:I hate how I am the laughing stock of the forum.

Oh ffs, since when has anyone on this forum laughed at you?

I'm not even being rhetorical, at least provide evidence because i'd like to see if this is true, or you're just after sympy again.

FullMetalJack wrote:sympy

I'm in love.

The more I think about it I honestly wonder if I have got some sort of mental disability that makes meme act like this. I wish I was able to accept construstivee criticism without getting all whiny and depressed about it and also be able to internalise my opinions so I dont these stupud posts which people think are just attention whoring. Either way I really cant keep living this way. I need to turn my life around but I am not sure how to. I still think that I do need to apologise to to the forum for my mistakes, I am just not ready yet. I am really going to think long and hard about all the recent advice as this whole farce seemed like the wake up call I needed.

See you all sometime next year

eurobrun wrote:The more I think about it I honestly wonder if I have got some sort of mental disability that makes meme act like this. I wish I was able to accept construstivee criticism without getting all whiny and depressed about it and also be able to internalise my opinions so I dont these stupud posts which people think are just attention whoring. Either way I really cant keep living this way. I need to turn my life around but I am not sure how to. I still think that I do need to apologise to to the forum for my mistakes, I am just not ready yet. I am really going to think long and hard about all the recent advice as this whole farce seemed like the wake up call I needed.

eurobrun, I'm going to address this post. 1) I don't think you have a mental disability. We all act differently, some weirder than others; some smarter than others; some more clever than others, and the list could go on and on on just about anything related to personalities of humans. Remember, every one of us is unique or different. 2) As for constructive criticism, it's easy to recognize when you know how to recognize it. When you know how to recognize it, you won't flip out as often. 3) Yes, you have made a few mistakes, but you have to remember that it's the Internet, and in particular, this forum, so the mistakes you make here really shouldn't be bothering you too much as it isn't in real life, where mistakes in real life can do many a good or bad thing. Is this forum in real life? Yes, but when you think of it, you can think of it as fantasy or virtual, as you really don't know anyone here. And last, but not least, 4) Whenever I make a mistake, I always think it through to see where I went wrong and as to why I made that mistake, and to tell you one thing, this always helps for me, and likely for most people. So, to top point #4 off, it's in fact a very good idea to think it through as to why you made a miatake. I mean, I always think a mistake through when I miss something on my schoolwork, and that is easily appliable to the outside world, and life in general.

So we really are carrying on with this playground level nonsense then? Fair do's. Happy New Year everybody anyway.

AustralianStig wrote:In other news, after reading Murray Walker's autobiography for the second time recently, I'm starting to be slightly more open to the fact that Bernie doesn't need to be the object of my hate and ridicule. When I eventually get around to watching 1 (the film), I might even be able to respect him. It seems he pushed pretty hard for safety, not as hard as Sid Watkins or Jackie Stewart perhaps, but his ability to make deals definitely would have contributed.

Yeah, someone on the forum actually has his sentence about safety, Brabham and Lotus. I forgot who uses that as sig, sorry

Shizuka wrote:

AustralianStig wrote:In other news, after reading Murray Walker's autobiography for the second time recently, I'm starting to be slightly more open to the fact that Bernie doesn't need to be the object of my hate and ridicule. When I eventually get around to watching 1 (the film), I might even be able to respect him. It seems he pushed pretty hard for safety, not as hard as Sid Watkins or Jackie Stewart perhaps, but his ability to make deals definitely would have contributed.

Yeah, someone on the forum actually has his sentence about safety, Brabham and Lotus. I forgot who uses that as sig, sorry

I suppose that there could have been a personal factor for Bernie given that he used to be Rindt's manager, with John Miles, the former team mate of Rindt, commenting that Bernie was highly distressed after Rindt's death in 1970.

I've never found my contempt for Bernie bourne from anything other than some of his innovative ideas that have emerged in recent years, some may say his Autumn years. His ascendance from humble begininings to creating the structure we have for F1 today is remarkable, especially considering the challenges presented to him and Mosley to take control.

I just think, perhaps, he should've retired in the late nineties/early noughties.

dr-baker wrote:

if only there was a like button on here...

CoopsII wrote:I've never found my contempt for Bernie bourne from anything other than some of his innovative ideas that have emerged in recent years, some may say his Autumn years. His ascendance from humble begininings to creating the structure we have for F1 today is remarkable, especially considering the challenges presented to him and Mosley to take control.

I just think, perhaps, he should've retired in the late nineties/early noughties.

Well, it could be pointed out that there has been a lack of forward planning with respect to Bernie's successor, partially because Bernie himself is, undoubtedly, not keen to be replaced, and partially because it seems that the teams did not want Bernie to be removed either (a case, perhaps, of better the devil you know). We have seen di Montezemolo pushing for some greater certainty over the future management of FOM, with Luca suggesting Bernie's role should be divided up between multiple individuals, but still there is some ambiguity over what will happen in the future.

WeirdKerr wrote:if only there was a like button on here...

Funny you should say that. Came across that when somebody posted that on Facebook, and it just seemed apt for the conversation going on at the time...

dr-baker wrote:

WeirdKerr wrote:if only there was a like button on here...

Funny you should say that. Came across that when somebody posted that on Facebook, and it just seemed apt for the conversation going on at the time...

One of my friends posted that picture on FB just this morning. Aah, the internet....

My rant for the day is a very quiet one and its that I've got such a bad hangover it aint even funny

Shizuka wrote:

AustralianStig wrote:In other news, after reading Murray Walker's autobiography for the second time recently, I'm starting to be slightly more open to the fact that Bernie doesn't need to be the object of my hate and ridicule. When I eventually get around to watching 1 (the film), I might even be able to respect him. It seems he pushed pretty hard for safety, not as hard as Sid Watkins or Jackie Stewart perhaps, but his ability to make deals definitely would have contributed.

Yeah, someone on the forum actually has his sentence about safety, Brabham and Lotus. I forgot who uses that as sig, sorry

Just worked it out, having just seen him post in another thread. It's Rocks With Salt who has that signature.

Somebody call my name? Anyway, I don't even remember where I first heard that quote anymore, but even if Bernie was concerned about safety, wasn't he a leader of the Brabham team at this point? Or was that later? Otherwise, this sounds more like a plea for Rindt to join the team instead out of his concern for his safety.

Rocks with Salt wrote:Somebody call my name? Anyway, I don't even remember where I first heard that quote anymore, but even if Bernie was concerned about safety, wasn't he a leader of the Brabham team at this point? Or was that later? Otherwise, this sounds more like a plea for Rindt to join the team instead out of his concern for his safety.

No, it was only in 72 or 73 that Bernie bought Brabham, if the quote is from 69, then it's probably more objectively. Brabham did have a reputation for being the safest team, though.

This wrote:

Rocks with Salt wrote:Somebody call my name? Anyway, I don't even remember where I first heard that quote anymore, but even if Bernie was concerned about safety, wasn't he a leader of the Brabham team at this point? Or was that later? Otherwise, this sounds more like a plea for Rindt to join the team instead out of his concern for his safety.

No, it was only in 72 or 73 that Bernie bought Brabham, if the quote is from 69, then it's probably more objectively. Brabham did have a reputation for being the safest team, though.

I always thought the 'live' part in Rocks signature was about Brabham being a team brimming with good humour and personality and that Lotus were too cold a team, run by a bunch of faceless nobodies. If you know what I mean. Had no idea it was about actually staying alive!