Grand Prix Rejects

BioBiro wrote:

Reject_Dom wrote:Put me on the waiting list, please.

Even after I just forgot to include a car in a race that it qualified for?! Guess I got away with that, then .

You are number two in the queue .

But BioBiro, i do strongly suggest the FIA pays for a therapist costs for Serra, who finally thought he was good enough, only to have been wrongly credited with a qualification. Obviously he is now in an existential crisis, and our results will suffer greatly from his reduced self-esteem!
I suggest a free driver session! (hey, i can only try to get something out of it, right?) Just saying, be careful with giving out compensations too easily....

BioBiro wrote:Conflict Resolution (Serraberggate)
In the interests of clearing this issue, involving the Arrows team, up as quickly as possible, we have initiated the following action:

The FIA will…

Calculate the average finishing position of Keke Rosberg's Arrows-BMW entry, from the second 'quad grouping' of races which determine the allocation of the second payment of FOCA TV money.

Is it fair that you take it out of the FOCA payment? I'm going to end up getting a tenner this time aren't I?
In this case, however, there has only been one race, which resulted in a seventeenth-place retirement, and is therefore not considered a representative result of the entry's performance.

Therefore, an average finishing position of the entry from this – and the previous – 'quad grouping' of races will be calculated.

This is: 13.4.

You will be reimbursed compensation at twice the rate of this position's prize money. This money will be deducted from the second set of prize money to be paid to teams after race eight.

The amount the Arrows team will be refunded is: £272,000.

The FIA and Olivetti would like to apologise for this mix-up.

Is it fair that the money gets taken out the FOCA prize? Am I going to a tenner this time?

andrew wrote:Is it fair that you take it out of the FOCA payment? I'm going to end up getting a tenner this time aren't I?

No, it's not; it means other teams pay for my mistakes.

Unfortunately, there's nowhere else I can take it from.

Your improved qualifying performance at Monaco is a positive sign for the RAM team. If you can qualify just one of your cars, you'll be guaranteed some half-decent TV money in the future!

ATS will upgrade drag reduction and next years car

In case I've not said so already, I'd like to pile all the D&T opportunities into next year's car please. I feel a bit sorry for Andrea de Cesaris, but we're really trying to give him a competitive car next year.

Ferrari will spend two tokens on engine development.

Downforce and next year's car.

McLaren will spend tokens with increasing mechanical grip and reducing drag

D&T after Round 6
A slightly later race weekend, mostly due to checking everything over several more times than usual.

As development costs gradually rise, I wonder who will be first to throw in the towel~...


Ferrari

Williams

McLaren

Alfa Romeo

Tyrrell

Lotus

Arrows

Ligier

Spirit

ATS

RAM

Minardi

Round 7 - Canadian Grand Prix, Circuit Gilles Villeneuve, 17th June 1984

Qualifying Results:
The untouchable McLaren team hogged the front row. Another spectacular qualifying result from a Tyrrell, with Warwick starting third, just in front of Patrese's Brabham. Great performance from Senna and his Williams, qualifying seventh, well ahead of Alboreto's Renault. Both Lotus' were in the top ten, and the Alfas were tenth and eleventh. Streiff started fifteenth in the sole Spirit, after a somewhat reckless series of qualifying laps, which saw him run out of fuel on the last one.



1. Nelson Piquet - McLaren-Honda (Michelin) 01:25.738
2. René Arnoux - McLaren-Honda (Michelin) +0.600
3. Derek Warwick - Tyrrell-Renault (Goodyear) +01.239
4. Riccardo Patrese - Brabham-Renault (Michelin) +01.259
5. Nigel Mansell - Lotus-Renault (Goodyear) +01.279
6. Elio de Angelis - Ferrari (Michelin) +01.359
7. Ayrton Senna - Williams-Porsche (Goodyear) +02.279
8. Michele Alboreto - Renault (Michelin) +02.839
9. Martin Brundle - Lotus-Renault (Goodyear) +02.959
10. Desiré Wilson - Alfa Romeo (Goodyear) +03.199
11. Pierluigi Martini - Alfa Romeo (Goodyear) +03.478
12. Eddie Cheever - Tyrrell-Renault (Goodyear) +03.518
13. Steffan Bellof - Williams-Porsche (Goodyear) +03.578
14. Patrick Tambay - Brabham-Renault (Michelin) +03.878
15. Philippe Streiff - Spirit-Ford (Pirelli) +03.998
16. John Watson - ATS-BMW (Goodyear) +04.138
17. Alessandro Nannini - Arrows-BMW (Pirelli) +04.158
18. Chico Serra - Ligier-BMW (Pirelli) +04.578
19. Alain Prost - Ferrari (Michelin) +04.980
20. Thierry Boutsen - Toleman-Ford (Goodyear) +05.218
21. Stefan Johansson - ATS-BMW (Goodyear) +05.457
22. Niki Lauda - Renault (Michelin) +05.477
23. Alan Jones - Toleman-Ford (Goodyear) +05.817
24. Keke Rosberg - Arrows-BMW (Pirelli) +06.157
25. Mauro Baldi - Osella-Alfa Romeo (Pirelli) +06.397
26. Piercarlo Ghinzani - Osella-Alfa Romeo (Pirelli) +06.617
DNQ. Manfred Winkelhock - Ligier-BMW (Pirelli) +07.137
DNQ. Roberto Guerrero - RAM-Ford (Pirelli) +08.296
DNQ. Guido Daccò - RAM-Ford (Pirelli) +08.956
DNQ. Andrea de Cesaris - Minardi-Alfa Romeo (Pirelli) +08.960

Race Results:
Car-breaker Canada! Piquet made nary a mistake, and was exiting the L'Epingle hairpin on the last lap when the race was stopped. Wilson was back-once-again with her ill behaviour, finishing a superb second, which put her fourth in the championship. Cheever tail-gated the South African for a while, before being unable to keep up the pace. Lauda drove a steady race from a poor starting position, but it was a golden occasion for the German ATS team, with one of their cars finishing, and both scoring points. Johansson's retirement - three laps from the finish - was something of a misnomer; some form of engine-related failure appeared to be the cause of his one-way trip into the grass. In a not-dissimilar vein, the brief, mid-race rain shower had caught Patrese out, who spun his rear wheels in a shallow puddle when his turbo kicked-in.



1. Nelson Piquet - McLaren-Honda (Michelin) 2hrs
2. Desiré Wilson - Alfa Romeo (Goodyear) +01:49.308
3. Eddie Cheever - Tyrrell-Renault (Goodyear) +03:16.995
4. Niki Lauda - Renault (Michelin) +03:49.932
5. John Watson - ATS-BMW (Goodyear) +05:39.743
Ret. Stefan Johansson - ATS-BMW (Goodyear) - Spun-off
Ret. Philippe Streiff - Spirit-Ford (Pirelli) - Engine
Ret. Chico Serra - Ligier-BMW (Pirelli) - Suspension
Ret. Alan Jones - Toleman-Ford (Goodyear) - Gearbox
Ret. Keke Rosberg - Arrows-BMW (Pirelli) - Brakes
Ret. Thierry Boutsen - Toleman-Ford (Goodyear) - Radiator
Ret. Martin Brundle - Lotus-Renault (Goodyear) - Oil pressure
Ret. Nigel Mansell - Lotus-Renault (Goodyear) - Engine
Ret. Alain Prost - Ferrari (Michelin) - Engine
Ret. Alessandro Nannini - Arrows-BMW (Pirelli) - Turbo
Ret. Piercarlo Ghinzani - Osella-Alfa Romeo (Pirelli) - Accident
Ret. Pierluigi Martini - Alfa Romeo (Goodyear) - Turbo
Ret. Steffan Bellof - Williams-Porsche (Goodyear) - Brakes
Ret. René Arnoux - McLaren-Honda (Michelin) - Engine
Ret. Ayrton Senna - Williams-Porsche (Goodyear) - Oil pressure
Ret. Riccardo Patrese - Brabham-Renault (Michelin) - Spun-off
Ret. Patrick Tambay - Brabham-Renault (Michelin) - Electrical
Ret. Michele Alboreto - Renault (Michelin) - Engine
Ret. Elio de Angelis - Ferrari (Michelin) - Engine
Ret. Derek Warwick - Tyrrell-Renault (Goodyear) - Transmission
Ret. Mauro Baldi - Osella-Alfa Romeo (Pirelli) - Engine



Championship Standings:
Driver's Championship
1. Nelson Piquet (33 points)
2. René Arnoux (31 points)
3. Patrick Tambay (20 points)
4. Desiré Wilson (16 points)
5. Eddie Cheever (14 points)
6. Nigel Mansell (13 points)
7. Ricardo Patrese (12 points)
8. Alain Prost (7 points)
9. Pierluigi Martini (5 points)
10. Michele Alboreto (4 points)
11. Martin Brundle (4 points)
12. Derek Warwick (3 points)
13. Elio de Angelis (3 points)
14. Niki Lauda (3 points)
15 Steffan Bellof (2 points)
16. John Watson (2 points)
17. Piercarlo Ghinzani (1 point)
18. Ayrton Senna (1 point)
19. Stefan Johansson (1 point)

Constructor's Championship
1. McLaren (64 points)
2. Brabham (32 points)
3. Alfa Romeo (21 points)
4. Lotus (17 points)
5. Tyrrell (17 points)
6. Ferrari (10 points)
7. Renault (7 points)
8. Williams (3 points)
9. ATS (3 points)
10. Osella (1 point)



There is 1 D&T opportunity before the next race.

Arrows will use it's D&T on next year's car - our '84 car could score, but we just have no luck this year...

Double points!!! Great result for the team. Lets build on this with another drag reduction

Mechanical grip for us.

Forgot to do the D&Ts for last round. Oops.

Osella will focus our D&T on next year's car.

Renault will put its one token into next years car

BioBiro, you gave Ferrari the wrong upgrades. I asked for 2x engine dev upgrades, not DF + 1985 car.

DemocalypseNow wrote:Ferrari will spend two tokens on engine development.

DemocalypseNow wrote:BioBiro, you gave Ferrari the wrong upgrades. I asked for 2x engine dev upgrades, not DF + 1985 car.

God blast it, I must have got yours mixed-up with Lotus one next to it; seems reading people's posts is the achilles heel of my organizational skills.


As stated earlier, we will provide compensation at a rate of 25% of the upgrade cost, for all upgrade mistakes made, now and future.

Ferrari will be refunded £250,000 (25% of £1,000,000).

The transaction will take place when D&T upgrades are performed before round eight.

The compensation paid will be deducted from the FOCA TV money paid to teams after round eight.

The FIA would like to apologise for this mix-up.

Ferrari will take 1 engine development D&T upgrade. To be clear, this is all we are asking for until further notice.

Next year's car please!

McLaren will use its token in downforce

Ligier's going for a mechanical grip again

Tyrrell will use 1 token on next year's car

Next years car please.

Spirit will aim to increase mechanical grip

Reliability for Williams please

BioBiro wrote:

DemocalypseNow wrote:BioBiro, you gave Ferrari the wrong upgrades. I asked for 2x engine dev upgrades, not DF + 1985 car.

God blast it, I must have got yours mixed-up with Lotus one next to it; seems reading people's posts is the achilles heel of my organizational skills.


As stated earlier, we will provide compensation at a rate of 25% of the upgrade cost, for all upgrade mistakes made, now and future.

Ferrari will be refunded £250,000 (25% of £1,000,000).


The compensation paid will be deducted from the FOCA TV money paid to teams after round eight.

Bollocks. Now I'm getting £2.50 arnt I

andrew wrote:Bollocks. Now I'm getting £2.50 arnt I

If it makes you feel any better, Ferrari are about to get fleeced, cash-wise!

Engine upgrade for Lotus, please.

I may have said so already, but next year's car please

Brabham will begin work on next years car

D&T after Round 7
Lots of things happening, here at Deee~troit!


Ferrari
The Ferrari team were also refunded £250,000.

Renault

Brabham

Williams

McLaren

Alfa Romeo

Tyrrell

Lotus

Arrows

Ligier

Spirit

ATS

Osella

RAM

Minardi

Round 8 - Detroit Grand Prix, Detroit, 24th June 1984

Qualifying Results:
It's a long, slippery lap at Detroit, and strong wind on Saturday would make laptimes over five seconds slower than practice times. Warwick delivered his much-threatened, but never-delivered, pole position - the Tyrrell-Renault chassis and engine package consistently punching well above its weight. Arnoux and Piquet were under half-a-second behind, and tremendous performances from de Angelis and Prost would put them fourth and fifth on the grid. Brabham's new owner had put development into mechanical grip earlier in the year, and it paid off at another slow track, here. The Toleman's power deficit could again be ignored, and their solid chassis had both Boutsen and Jones qualifying in the top twenty. Baldi and Johansson put their backmarker cars into the midgrid, while the Williams the Renault teams were way off the pace. Great drive from Daccò to beat the Ligier and Minardi below him.



1. Derek Warwick - Tyrrell-Renault (Goodyear) 01:47.270
2. René Arnoux - McLaren-Honda (Michelin) +0.159
3. Nelson Piquet - McLaren-Honda (Michelin) +0.403
4. Elio de Angelis - Ferrari (Michelin) +0.514
5. Alain Prost - Ferrari (Michelin) +0.589
6. Patrick Tambay - Brabham-Renault (Michelin) +0.731
7. Nigel Mansell - Lotus-Renault (Goodyear) +0.778
8. Desiré Wilson - Alfa Romeo (Goodyear) +01.594
9. Riccardo Patrese - Brabham-Renault (Michelin) +01.950
10. Martin Brundle - Lotus-Renault (Goodyear) +02.203
11. Pierluigi Martini - Alfa Romeo (Goodyear) +02.250
12. Eddie Cheever - Tyrrell-Renault (Goodyear) +02.362
13. Thierry Boutsen - Toleman-Ford (Goodyear) +02.428
14. Mauro Baldi - Osella-Alfa Romeo (Pirelli) +02.550
15. Stefan Johansson - ATS-BMW (Goodyear) +03.155
16. Michele Alboreto - Renault (Michelin) +03.300
17. Keke Rosberg - Arrows-BMW (Pirelli) +03.791
18. Alessandro Nannini - Arrows-BMW (Pirelli) +03.828
19. Alan Jones - Toleman-Ford (Goodyear) +03.853
20. Niki Lauda - Renault (Michelin) +04.331
21. Ayrton Senna - Williams-Porsche (Goodyear) +04.456
22. Steffan Bellof - Williams-Porsche (Goodyear) +04.569
23. Piercarlo Ghinzani - Osella-Alfa Romeo (Pirelli) +04.931
24. Philippe Streiff - Spirit-Ford (Pirelli) +05.238
25. John Watson - ATS-BMW (Goodyear) +05.680
26. Manfred Winkelhock - Ligier-BMW (Pirelli) +06.172
DNQ. Guido Daccò - RAM-Ford (Pirelli) +07.400
DNQ. Chico Serra - Ligier-BMW (Pirelli) +07.900
DNQ. Andrea de Cesaris - Minardi-Alfa Romeo (Pirelli) +08.350
DNQ. Roberto Guerrero - RAM-Ford (Pirelli) +09.650

Race Results:
The ultra-low grip track surface provided little in the way of traction, and resulted in five late-race crashes. Watching the field slip and slide on a completely dry circuit entertained the crowd, many of whom seemed to have little idea of who the drivers and teams were. At the front, it was a steady procession from the McLaren team-mates, who swarmed Warwick from the start. On lap fourteen, Arnoux passed the Tyrrell, with Piquet in tow. Arnoux would eventually win by just four seconds in a close finish. Warwick would later nearly be caught by Patrese's Brabham, but hung on for a well deserved podium. Further down the field, Detroit proved to be no car-breaker, and steady drives throughout the field saw the Lotus, Williams and ATS teams all finish the race with both cars running.



1. René Arnoux - McLaren-Honda (Michelin) 1hr 58:32.115
2. Nelson Piquet - McLaren-Honda (Michelin) +0:00.412
3. Derek Warwick - Tyrrell-Renault (Goodyear) +01:47.144
4. Riccardo Patrese - Brabham-Renault (Michelin) +01:50.636
5. Elio de Angelis - Ferrari (Michelin) +02:10.782
6. Desiré Wilson - Alfa Romeo (Goodyear) +02:11.557
7. Nigel Mansell - Lotus-Renault (Goodyear) +02:47.458
8. Ayrton Senna - Williams-Porsche (Goodyear) +03:01.440
9. Martin Brundle - Lotus-Renault (Goodyear) +03:08.523
10. Alan Jones - Toleman-Ford (Goodyear) +03:35.838
11. Steffan Bellof - Williams-Porsche (Goodyear) +04:18.519
12. Stefan Johansson - ATS-BMW (Goodyear) +05:50.364
13. John Watson - ATS-BMW (Goodyear) +05:55.995
14. Manfred Winkelhock - Ligier-BMW (Pirelli) +06:18.407
15. Mauro Baldi - Osella-Alfa Romeo (Pirelli) +06:22.229
Ret. Keke Rosberg - Arrows-BMW (Pirelli) - Accident
Ret. Philippe Streiff - Spirit-Ford (Pirelli) - Spun-off
Ret. Alessandro Nannini - Arrows-BMW (Pirelli) - Spun-off
Ret. Eddie Cheever - Tyrrell-Renault (Goodyear) - Spun-off
Ret. Piercarlo Ghinzani - Osella-Alfa Romeo (Pirelli) - Accident
Ret. Pierluigi Martini - Alfa Romeo (Goodyear) - Turbo
Ret. Patrick Tambay - Brabham-Renault (Michelin) - Ignition
Ret. Michele Alboreto - Renault (Michelin) - Gearbox
Ret. Niki Lauda - Renault (Michelin) - Distributor
Ret. Thierry Boutsen - Toleman-Ford (Goodyear) - Transmission
Ret. Alain Prost - Ferrari (Michelin) - Engine



Championship Standings:
Driver's Championship
1. René Arnoux (40 points)
2. Nelson Piquet (39 points)
3. Patrick Tambay (20 points)
4. Desiré Wilson (17 points)
5. Ricardo Patrese (15 points)
6. Eddie Cheever (14 points)
7. Nigel Mansell (13 points)
8. Alain Prost (7 points)
9. Derek Warwick (7 points)
10. Pierluigi Martini (5 points)
11. Elio de Angelis (5 points)
12. Michele Alboreto (4 points)
13. Martin Brundle (4 points)
14. Niki Lauda (3 points)
15 Steffan Bellof (2 points)
16. John Watson (2 points)
17. Piercarlo Ghinzani (1 point)
18. Ayrton Senna (1 point)
19. Stefan Johansson (1 point)

Constructor's Championship
1. McLaren (79 points)
2. Brabham (35 points)
3. Alfa Romeo (22 points)
4. Tyrrell (21 points)
5. Lotus (17 points)
6. Ferrari (12 points)
7. Renault (7 points)
8. Williams (3 points)
9. ATS (1 point)
10. Osella (1 point)



There are 2 D&T opportunities before the next race.

FOCA TV Money Distribution - Second Quarter

This quarter's payments are somewhat smaller than planned, due to compensation paid to the Arrows and Ferrari teams, earlier.

McLaren have been credited £1,700,000
Lotus have been credited £1,190,000
Brabham have been credited £1,130,000
Williams have been credited £1,000,000
Alfa Romeo have been credited £920,000
Tyrrell have been credited £830,000
ATS have been credited £820,000
Toleman have been credited £800,000
Ferrari have been credited £790,000
Arrows have been credited £620,000
Renault have been credited £540,000
Ligier have been credited £520,000
Osella have been credited £450,000
Spirit have been credited £360,000
Minardi have been credited £0
RAM have been credited £0

Special Event - Ferrari
Ferrari President, Enzo Ferrari, has spoken outwardly in the press through late 1983 and early 1984, that Ferrari will field a third car for Pironi should he decide to return.

Didier Pironi, with the support of his friends, family and Faezna, has decided he is ready to return to competitive Grand Prix racing.

After (extremely) protracted discussion between the FIA, Ferrari, Pironi, and sizeable legal counsels representing the interests of all three, the FIA have agreed that – in the event of Pironi entering mid-season – he is to be awarded half-points, rather than be considered ineligible for points due to his late entry.

* Sign Pironi. You will use, and be charged for, your next D&T opportunity immediately, to expand the team. You will be charged Pironi's salary, minus the races already taken place this season (a total of £1,200,000, payable immediately). You will be charged (25% extra) for additional engines on your supply contract, minus the races already taken place this season (a total of £625,000, payable immediately). Your team will, from now-on, be charged the higher-prices of three-car D&T costs, which will also give your team bigger D&T rewards from each opportunity used. Your third car will be eligible for half-points. You will not automatically be expected to run a three-car team in 1985; you are free, along with all other teams, to decide the size of your entry for next season.
* Refuse. This will primarily reduce your manufacturer support income for 1985, as well as negatively impact relations with the parent company, which could have lesser negative impacts on your team (for instance, a lack of funding for Ferrari's engine development programme in the medium-term future).


The Ferrari team are requested to respond to this event.

BioBiro wrote:FOCA TV Money Distribution - Second Quarter

This quarter's payments are somewhat smaller than planned, due to compensation paid to the Arrows and Ferrari teams, earlier.

McLaren have been credited £1,700,000
Lotus have been credited £1,190,000
Brabham have been credited £1,130,000
Williams have been credited £1,000,000
Alfa Romeo have been credited £920,000
Tyrrell have been credited £830,000
ATS have been credited £820,000
Toleman have been credited £800,000
Ferrari have been credited £790,000
Arrows have been credited £620,000
Renault have been credited £540,000
Ligier have been credited £520,000
Osella have been credited £450,000
Spirit have been credited £360,000
Minardi have been credited £0
RAM have been credited £0

BATHPLUUUUUUUUUGGGGGGGGGGGGG oh well, hehe.

I will be the first to throw in the development towel. I don't want to get the team into debt.

Let's try something different; one D&T on mechanical grip, the other on the '85 car.

1 D&T on downforce and one on next years car.

Ferrari team management are cautious but accepting of the request to run Pironi - but he must be aware that if he cannot qualify the car within 4 events, he will be dropped from the lineup.

Our other D&T token will be spent on engine development.

Tyrrell will spend 2 D&T tokens on Mechanical Grip

McLaren will post tokens in reducing drag and increasing mechanical grip