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Re: Unpopular F1 opinions

Posted: 13 Apr 2015, 00:29
by Dj_bereta
Chinese Grand Prix, like Indian Grand Prix and Korean Grand Prix, needs to be out of F1.

Re: Unpopular F1 opinions

Posted: 13 Apr 2015, 06:04
by Salamander
Dj_bereta wrote:Chinese Grand Prix, like Indian Grand Prix and Korean Grand Prix, needs to be out of F1.


I think that's a bit of an over-reaction - Shanghai's had plenty of good races before 2014.

Re: Unpopular F1 opinions

Posted: 13 Apr 2015, 07:31
by CoopsII
Salamander wrote:
Dj_bereta wrote:Chinese Grand Prix, like Indian Grand Prix and Korean Grand Prix, needs to be out of F1.


I think that's a bit of an over-reaction - Shanghai's had plenty of good races before 2014.

Agreed. It's bad enough that yesterday's race will possibly be the cause of pages of copy regarding how crap F1 is now without us more savvy fans joining in.

I quite enjoyed the race to be honest, it was nice to see some of the mid fielders get stuck in.

Re: Unpopular F1 opinions

Posted: 13 Apr 2015, 10:06
by pi314159
Salamander wrote:
Dj_bereta wrote:Chinese Grand Prix, like Indian Grand Prix and Korean Grand Prix, needs to be out of F1.


I think that's a bit of an over-reaction - Shanghai's had plenty of good races before 2014.

Agreed. It's not like Valencia or Abu Dhabi, which regularily produce boring races. I think Shanghai is one of Tilkes better creations. It usually produces decent racing, and also has some unique corners.

Re: Unpopular F1 opinions

Posted: 13 Apr 2015, 10:35
by AustralianStig
Was I watching a different race yesterday? Although it was a little dull in the middle of the race, there was plenty going on all around the track. Of course, as a McLaren and Ricciardo fan it was torture, but for a neutral fan there was plenty of highlights.

There's more to racing than who wins.

Re: Unpopular F1 opinions

Posted: 13 Apr 2015, 14:40
by Salamander
AustralianStig wrote:Was I watching a different race yesterday? Although it was a little dull in the middle of the race, there was plenty going on all around the track. Of course, as a McLaren and Ricciardo fan it was torture, but for a neutral fan there was plenty of highlights.

There's more to racing than who wins.


As far as I could see, the only driver making any watchable moves was Verstappen. There was also the McLarens making a couple moves, but by and large, nothing seemed to be happening on track.

Re: Unpopular F1 opinions

Posted: 13 Apr 2015, 18:17
by Alextrax52
I'm not surprised Red Bull have fallen out of the top 3 teams to be honest. The Renault engine coupled with Newey's decreased influence in the team is enough to weaken any team (look what happened to Williams after Newey left). As we saw in China it looks like it's already starting to show in Ricciardo's driving making mistakes we wouldn't have expected last season. Still I hope they can improve because it'd be a shame if Daniel ends up as a one season wonder and if Kvyat's potential wasn't realised

Re: Unpopular F1 opinions

Posted: 13 Apr 2015, 18:41
by CoopsII
Sorry Salamander, I cant quote your post as your 'online' label covers the quote 'button'. Anyway, all I'd add is that I enjoy watching the cars in action full stop, whether they overtake or not. It was a race where we pretty much saw every car at speed and I enjoy that. Stop being such a thrillseeker ;)

Re: Unpopular F1 opinions

Posted: 13 Apr 2015, 20:21
by Salamander
CoopsII wrote:Sorry Salamander, I cant quote your post as your 'online' label covers the quote 'button'. Anyway, all I'd add is that I enjoy watching the cars in action full stop, whether they overtake or not. It was a race where we pretty much saw every car at speed and I enjoy that. Stop being such a thrillseeker ;)


If I wanted to just watch cars in action, I'd just go and sit by the side of the road. :P

Re: Unpopular F1 opinions

Posted: 14 Apr 2015, 08:10
by GerhardTalger
Salamander wrote:
AustralianStig wrote:.


As far as I could see, the only driver making any watchable moves was Verstappen. There was also the McLarens making a couple moves, but by and large, nothing seemed to be happening on track.


Maldonado was making some moves up to seventh as well. But they weren't that spectacular. Ricciardo was looking pretty funny crawling past Ericsson though.

But once Verstappen and Maldonado were settled, it was a bid of a dull race for about 15 laps. Not as bad as some make it out to be (I wouldn't call the race itself rejective, just not very exciting), but it wasn't great really.

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And now for some opinions:
- Kvyat will never win a race
- Reutemann was the best driver not to win a WDC
- Nick Heidfeld was the best driver not to win a race
- The Spanish grand prix of 1994 would have been the worst race ever if it wasn't for some gearbox fun with a certain German individual.
- 1994 was an unwatchable season overall, worse than the Ferrari domination year of 2004.
- Alesi is overrated (only because of a good 1990 and 1995) and lucky to have a win at all, as I feel only the Belgian GP in 1991 was rightfully his.

Re: Unpopular F1 opinions

Posted: 14 Apr 2015, 08:41
by CoopsII
GerhardTalger wrote:1994 was an unwatchable season overall, worse than the Ferrari domination year of 2004.

WDC decided at the last race by one point and a controversial incident, people getting killed and injured, political intrigue pretty much a constant and an old champion returning to win the final race. Yep, unwatchable :lol:

Re: Unpopular F1 opinions

Posted: 14 Apr 2015, 09:10
by GerhardTalger
CoopsII wrote:
GerhardTalger wrote:1994 was an unwatchable season overall, worse than the Ferrari domination year of 2004.

WDC decided at the last race by one point and a controversial incident, people getting killed and injured, political intrigue pretty much a constant and an old champion returning to win the final race. Yep, unwatchable :lol:


Apart from drivers getting killed and injured this should settle for an interesting season, you should say. That's where my unpopular opinion comes in, I guess.

All what you say has been settled off-track (except for Mansell winning one out of a few watchable races that year). The championship battle was only suddenly there because of Hill winning both races Schumacher had to sit out. Suddenly, the last three races, we were saddled up with an interesting championship battle that was never there, because Schumacher completely CRUSHED Hill every single race bar Britain, only gearbox failure and that Belgian DQ gifting him two more wins. The entire midseason was boring as hell, races that usually should have been exciting like Belgium and Italy weren't that exciting as well. The main excitement came from Britain, an unusually decent race for that midseason and some controversial incidents in Germany after the horrifying Imola weekend, and then we had to wait for Japan, because that Jerez GP was another true borefest.

There are enough talking points for 1994, which makes it one of the most interesting seasons in F1 history. But on a race-by-race basis it was appalling.

Re: Unpopular F1 opinions

Posted: 14 Apr 2015, 11:58
by More_Blue_Flags
GerhardTalger wrote:
And now for some opinions:
- ...
- Reutemann was the best driver not to win a WDC
- ...

What, not counting Stirling Moss? I have to admit that for me the second best driver not to win a WDC is a choice between Reutemann, Gilles Villeneuve and Ronnie Peterson - though there are plenty of too-early tragically killed drivers like Bellof, Pace and Cevert that are a bit hard to be sure about.

Re: Unpopular F1 opinions

Posted: 14 Apr 2015, 12:25
by CoopsII
GerhardTalger wrote:There are enough talking points for 1994, which makes it one of the most interesting seasons in F1 history. But on a race-by-race basis it was appalling.

That's not how I remember it but I guess it depends on where your support lies. I recall Damon Hill not supposed to even be in with a shot at the championship, his role was that of loyal understudy to the king much like in 1993. However, race by race, he became that which he was not supposed to be, often as a result of factors described as being "settled off track". And bearing in mind he was getting into a car the twin of which someone had been killed driving meant that, well, who knew what would happen during the races? Perhaps you found certain races dull, like people persist in finding current races from time to time dull, but the arc of the 1994 story was unlike anything we've seen since. IMO.

Re: Unpopular F1 opinions

Posted: 14 Apr 2015, 13:35
by dr-baker
CoopsII wrote:
GerhardTalger wrote:There are enough talking points for 1994, which makes it one of the most interesting seasons in F1 history. But on a race-by-race basis it was appalling.

That's not how I remember it but I guess it depends on where your support lies. I recall Damon Hill not supposed to even be in with a shot at the championship, his role was that of loyal understudy to the king much like in 1993. However, race by race, he became that which he was not supposed to be, often as a result of factors described as being "settled off track". And bearing in mind he was getting into a car the twin of which someone had been killed driving meant that, well, who knew what would happen during the races? Perhaps you found certain races dull, like people persist in finding current races from time to time dull, but the arc of the 1994 story was unlike anything we've seen since. IMO.

I reckon that if you were to make a film about a single F1 season (in the same vein as Rush), the two best seasons to be depicted would be 1982 and 1994, as much for the off-track politics and disputes as for the on-track action.

Re: Unpopular F1 opinions

Posted: 14 Apr 2015, 13:40
by tommykl
dr-baker wrote:
CoopsII wrote:
GerhardTalger wrote:There are enough talking points for 1994, which makes it one of the most interesting seasons in F1 history. But on a race-by-race basis it was appalling.

That's not how I remember it but I guess it depends on where your support lies. I recall Damon Hill not supposed to even be in with a shot at the championship, his role was that of loyal understudy to the king much like in 1993. However, race by race, he became that which he was not supposed to be, often as a result of factors described as being "settled off track". And bearing in mind he was getting into a car the twin of which someone had been killed driving meant that, well, who knew what would happen during the races? Perhaps you found certain races dull, like people persist in finding current races from time to time dull, but the arc of the 1994 story was unlike anything we've seen since. IMO.

I reckon that if you were to make a film about a single F1 season (in the same vein as Rush), the two best seasons to be depicted would be 1982 and 1994, as much for the off-track politics and disputes as for the on-track action.

I'd add to that 1958. Definitely.

Re: Unpopular F1 opinions

Posted: 14 Apr 2015, 14:15
by Salamander
2007 as well - another season where the off-track action was orders of magnitude greater than the on-track action.

Re: Unpopular F1 opinions

Posted: 14 Apr 2015, 14:23
by Bobby Doorknobs
If I ever make it as a director or scriptwriter or anything at all in the film industry, 1958 would definitely be my first choice for an F1 film. The level of tragedy in that season looking solely at F1 and especially Ferrari is unparalleled in my opinion. I also might add 1961 to that list.

Re: Unpopular F1 opinions

Posted: 14 Apr 2015, 15:00
by dr-baker
So, if one film were to be made of each decade of F1, it would be 1958, 1961, 1976, 1982, 1994 and 2007?

Re: Unpopular F1 opinions

Posted: 15 Apr 2015, 18:36
by GerhardTalger
I just don't see the on-track antics, except for some six moments: The Senna slip-ups before San Marino, the three crashes at Imola, idiot Schumacher at Silverstone, the Belgian slipup by Schumacher and the final two races.

The problem is, apart from this, the races were so uninteresting and horrendous. There was no competition for P1 and P2 overal, and mainly P3 was set as well.

Re: Unpopular F1 opinions

Posted: 16 Apr 2015, 11:41
by yannicksamlad
In response to ;
And now for some opinions:
- Kvyat will never win a race
- Reutemann was the best driver not to win a WDC
- Nick Heidfeld was the best driver not to win a race
- The Spanish grand prix of 1994 would have been the worst race ever if it wasn't for some gearbox fun with a certain German individual.
- 1994 was an unwatchable season overall, worse than the Ferrari domination year of 2004.
- Alesi is overrated (only because of a good 1990 and 1995) and lucky to have a win at all, as I feel only the Belgian GP in 1991 was rightfully his[
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I'd say
Kvyat will win , surely he'll be around a while in a decent car . Not looking good for Hulkenberg though
I too would go with Moss as best not to win WDC - he was on the pace of a number of Champs , and won plenty
Jarier is probably my fave for best driver not to win a race . F2 champ by a mile , super quick , matched up well against good team mates...lead races
Surely the worst race ever was US 2005 - or any other with hardly any cars, or one of the Indy races that was part of the championship ages ago
1994 as most unwatchable...I'm not sure but I am struggling to remember the on-track action
Yep , Alesi is over rated. But probably cos we like him

Re: Unpopular F1 opinions

Posted: 16 Apr 2015, 12:00
by GerhardTalger
I never seriously consider the 2005 US GP as a serious race anyway. But the sight was hilarious. I still like the politics on that one more than, let's say, the Spanish borefest in 1999.
And I like Alesi as well, and I think that he should have gone to Williams and won plenty, maybe even the 92 championship.
But for what actuality is, Alesi is a lot like Maldonado, but the other way around. Maldonado is quick but all those crashes don't give him a good result whatsoever. Alesi had a lot of dumb errors in his career but he was sometimes really quick. In the case of Maldonado, this gave him one win but nothing else, Alesi has good performances without wins, but he averages just so much better. And he should have won Euro 95, even though I consider Schumacher the rightful heir to that one.

I do consider 2002 much more boring than 1994, though. It didn't have the good races or the surprises that saved 2004 from being on the bottom.

Re: Unpopular F1 opinions

Posted: 16 Apr 2015, 13:30
by tBone
yannicksamlad wrote:In response to ;
- Alesi is overrated (only because of a good 1990 and 1995) and lucky to have a win at all, as I feel only the Belgian GP in 1991 was rightfully his

Yep , Alesi is over rated. But probably cos we like him

Well, here's one for you: Alesi could have achieved the same as Raikkonen has.

Re: Unpopular F1 opinions

Posted: 16 Apr 2015, 17:25
by Klon
tBone wrote:Well, here's one for you: Alesi could have achieved the same as Raikkonen has.


Which speaks less for Alesi as much as it does against Räikkönen. Kimi has wasted his extreme talent. Someone who had his talent could have been, with a proper attitude, at least a two- or three-times champion of he world.

Re: Unpopular F1 opinions

Posted: 16 Apr 2015, 20:38
by mario
yannicksamlad wrote:In response to ;
And now for some opinions:
- Kvyat will never win a race
- Reutemann was the best driver not to win a WDC
- Nick Heidfeld was the best driver not to win a race
- The Spanish grand prix of 1994 would have been the worst race ever if it wasn't for some gearbox fun with a certain German individual.
- 1994 was an unwatchable season overall, worse than the Ferrari domination year of 2004.
- Alesi is overrated (only because of a good 1990 and 1995) and lucky to have a win at all, as I feel only the Belgian GP in 1991 was rightfully his[
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I'd say
Kvyat will win , surely he'll be around a while in a decent car . Not looking good for Hulkenberg though
I too would go with Moss as best not to win WDC - he was on the pace of a number of Champs , and won plenty
Jarier is probably my fave for best driver not to win a race . F2 champ by a mile , super quick , matched up well against good team mates...lead races
Surely the worst race ever was US 2005 - or any other with hardly any cars, or one of the Indy races that was part of the championship ages ago
1994 as most unwatchable...I'm not sure but I am struggling to remember the on-track action
Yep , Alesi is over rated. But probably cos we like him

With regards to Kvyat's chances, I think that a lot of that will depend on whether Red Bull can return to championship winning form, as well as how quickly that happens.

After all, when you have the sort of major failures Renault had in China - Kvyat's engine was completely wrecked due to a major piston failure - then there is little chance of seeing the flag, let alone leading the field. Equally, I can see Kvyat coming under pressure for his seat soon - he seems to be struggling at Red Bull and therefore pushes too hard at times, but can't afford to make mistakes for too long.

As for best driver not to win a WDC, I'd agree that Moss is probably the one driver that springs to mind for most - when you consider the lengths that some people of that era, and Enzo Ferrari in particular, were going to in order to secure his services, that alone speaks volumes for how highly he was rated then. Mind you, Peterson, Gurney and Ickx come to mind as possible candidates too.

For best driver never to win a race, Amon certainly comes to mind - Forghieri, for one, described him as one of the best drivers he ever had the pleasure of working with at Ferrari, and considered it to be a great blow to the team when Amon left just before the team turned the corner and became competitive again.

For the worst race ever, I suppose it depends on how you look at things - the 2005 US GP was shameful for the way that politics spilled over to ruin the race, and the fact that nobody seemed to learn anything as a result of that race either.
However, I would say that the 1960 Belgian GP probably has to rank as the worst, simply because it was the most tragic - Moss breaking his back and several ribs, Taylor suffering from a career ending accident that left him temporarily paralysed and the double tragedies of Bristow and Stacey being killed in the same race.

As for 1994, in many ways it was a wretched season and one that is really remembered not for what happened on the track, but rather for what happened outside the circuit.

As for Alesi, well, to a certain extent I feel that there seems to have been a progressive increasing hype around the drivers of the late 1980's and early 1990's as a whole, perhaps because it is those who grew up watching the drivers of that era who now very much control the narrative in the press.
Alesi, in that sense, fits what they want to reminisce over - an emotive driver with a dramatic and aggressive style of driving that was visually impressive to watch, plus sympathy for a man seen to have been something of an underdog.

Re: Unpopular F1 opinions

Posted: 16 Apr 2015, 22:38
by UncreativeUsername37
mario wrote:As for Alesi, well, to a certain extent I feel that there seems to have been a progressive increasing hype around the drivers of the late 1980's and early 1990's as a whole, perhaps because it is those who grew up watching the drivers of that era who now very much control the narrative in the press.
Alesi, in that sense, fits what they want to reminisce over - an emotive driver with a dramatic and aggressive style of driving that was visually impressive to watch, plus sympathy for a man seen to have been something of an underdog.

He's for when people get sick of Senna.

Re: Unpopular F1 opinions

Posted: 24 Apr 2015, 06:54
by CoopsII
I would hope this would be a popular opinion but, for all I know, it isn't even a thing.

Anyway, in my opinion Hakkinens two WDCs seem to be pretty much forgotten about. He rarely appears to be referenced in comparison with other champions, his glory days seem over-shadowed by the boy Schumacher.

And this? :dance: I'm so having this.

Re: Unpopular F1 opinions

Posted: 24 Apr 2015, 09:11
by Rob Dylan
CoopsII wrote:I would hope this would be a popular opinion but, for all I know, it isn't even a thing.

Anyway, in my opinion Hakkinens two WDCs seem to be pretty much forgotten about. He rarely appears to be referenced in comparison with other champions, his glory days seem over-shadowed by the boy Schumacher.

And this? :dance: I'm so having this.

While he definitely had the driving talent, his McLaren was a very, very quick car (qualifying like a second ahead of the other teams), and in some ways it showed more the skill of Schumacher that he could challenge Hakkinen in a season-long campaign in a Ferrari that was behind. There was no really denying the talent of the man himself, but in regards to the championships themselves, you could argue he was handed 1999 with Irvine's pit-stop .

In my head I'm comparing it to Alonso right now. While there's no denying Alonso's talent, his championships themselves back in the day came fairly easy in a car with a clear advantage over the rest of the field for the most part. With a car now on equal terms with others, his talent is showing big-time (like Hakkinen in Spa 2000).

Re: Unpopular F1 opinions

Posted: 24 Apr 2015, 15:06
by GerhardTalger
CoopsII wrote:I would hope this would be a popular opinion but, for all I know, it isn't even a thing.

Anyway, in my opinion Hakkinens two WDCs seem to be pretty much forgotten about. He rarely appears to be referenced in comparison with other champions, his glory days seem over-shadowed by the boy Schumacher.

And this? :dance: I'm so having this.


I hate to admit this, because how much I like the guy, but you're pretty much right. There's little to remember about his on-track performances for most of the years. Probably his most interesting year was 1994, heavily marred by the Peugeot and Hill taking him out at Monaco that year. (and the end of 93, where he qualified ahead of Senna once)

But apart from running in shock second position at the Pacific, even that season is ultimately remembered by podium drives because of attirition. 1996 is another year which gives account to his anonymousity, I recently watched the review to remember the guy got 4 podiums in the final seven races that year, otherwise I wouldn't have thought of it. 1995 was just a hoorid year for McLaren overall.

But then there was the turnaround. In 1997, his main asset was dropping out from P1 in that quick but unreliable MP4/12. The fact that he ultimately won because of Coulthard pulling over just says everything you need to know about Mika. Even his first victory came out of anonymousity.

1998 was fine, even though he did make only a single pass on the field past lap one to take his victories (Irvine at the Nurburgring) Even on the other races I can't think of ANY single on-track passing move by Mika. 1999 was a little better with races like France (but he did almost let Irvine take the crown), and that was it. 2000 was good, probably his most marking season as the Ferrari was on par with the McLaren by then and 2001 was just... poor. Unlucky sometimes, but poor.

Ultimately, I think it's more that the guy was actually such a boring racer which makes his WDC's so forgettable. Also the fact that they were pretty late in his career, Mansell's or Hill's WDC could have been pretty forgettable if it wasn't for them being British which is a huge advantage in F1. But for Hakkinen, not marked as a great strategist, apart from the Zonta move I can't think of any brilliant pass, never a controversial moment... well, actually that's not true, he was involved in quite some Grosjean-like errors which eventually led him to a one-race ban, another thing I tend to forget about the guy. (He also really PUSHED Senna off at the Pacific, had that bad Adelaide crash and two idiotic moments in Imola and Monza in 99...) But past 1994 the controversy was over.
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Which takes me to an unpopular opinion: RoGro was blamed too long for his 2012 startcrash shenanigans. I still think the penalty was too harsh as well.. it wouldn't have been if he was already reprimanded though, but the fact that he had taken out the leaders for the WDC shouldn't have taken into account for the punishment.

Another possibly unpopular opinion is that the 1997 Japanese DSQ of Villeneuve was another snap in the head by the FIA.

Re: Unpopular F1 opinions

Posted: 24 Apr 2015, 17:49
by UncreativeUsername37
Rob Dylan wrote:While he definitely had the driving talent, his McLaren was a very, very quick car (qualifying like a second ahead of the other teams), and in some ways it showed more the skill of Schumacher that he could challenge Hakkinen in a season-long campaign in a Ferrari that was behind. There was no really denying the talent of the man himself, but in regards to the championships themselves, you could argue he was handed 1999 with Irvine's pit-stop .

Irvine was the one who almost got handed 1999. First brakes had to hand it to him at Silverstone. Then Salo had to hand it to him at Germany. Then Häkkinen had to hand it to him in Italy, which I guess isn't as bad but it's eleven points that said nothing about Irvine himself. Then Schumacher had to hand it to him twice at Malaysia, and was ready to do the same thing at Suzuka. And then he still didn't win.

Re: Unpopular F1 opinions

Posted: 24 Apr 2015, 19:53
by dr-baker
While I think that the mid-1990s had the best-looking F1 cars and it's the period I remember most keenly (first got into F1 then, and it was the era of Simtek, Pacific, Forti, Lola and Minardi), the most competitive era of F1 in recent history was from 2006 to 2010 inclusive. Just look at how many different drivers and teams won!

Code: Select all

Year Driver            Driver's Team

2006 Fernando Alonso   Renault
2007 Kimi Raikkonen    Ferrari
2008 Lewis Hamilton    McLaren
2009 Jenson Button     Brawn
2010 Sebastien Vettel  Red Bull

Five drivers driving for five unrelated teams each winning a championship in consecutive years - rather unpredictable who was going to be the driver and team to beat year-on-year. I loved not knowing who was going to win overall, although the usual suspects hovered around the top.

Re: Unpopular F1 opinions

Posted: 24 Apr 2015, 20:18
by Francis23
Here's one for you, I rather liked the BAR 01 and Minardi M02 liveries
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I also liked all the 'cluttered' aero pieces on the 2008 cars, but that's just me, the BMW Sauber F1.08 is a good example
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Just a thought ;)

Re: Unpopular F1 opinions

Posted: 25 Apr 2015, 00:28
by Rob Dylan
UgncreativeUsergname wrote:
Rob Dylan wrote:While he definitely had the driving talent, his McLaren was a very, very quick car (qualifying like a second ahead of the other teams), and in some ways it showed more the skill of Schumacher that he could challenge Hakkinen in a season-long campaign in a Ferrari that was behind. There was no really denying the talent of the man himself, but in regards to the championships themselves, you could argue he was handed 1999 with Irvine's pit-stop .

Irvine was the one who almost got handed 1999. First brakes had to hand it to him at Silverstone. Then Salo had to hand it to him at Germany. Then Häkkinen had to hand it to him in Italy, which I guess isn't as bad but it's eleven points that said nothing about Irvine himself. Then Schumacher had to hand it to him twice at Malaysia, and was ready to do the same thing at Suzuka. And then he still didn't win.

Ah, you make a good point. Though in many seasons you can say that drivers got handed championships due to others' failure or help. Think of how many points Raikkonen gave to Alonso due to his unreliability. Even if Raikkonen wasn't winning those races (like finishing 3rd at the Nurburgring in 2005 ;) ), any finish in the points would have boosted his championship. So in that sense you could argue Alonso was handed the 2005 season, and the same in other championships (Hill almost getting handed 1994).

Re: Unpopular F1 opinions

Posted: 25 Apr 2015, 02:15
by DemocalypseNow
Francis23 wrote:Here's one for you, I rather liked the BAR 01 and Minardi M02 liveries

While you're on your own with the BAR zip livery, the M02 seems to have been universally praised in this thread already! So it's not unpopular at all :D

Re: Unpopular F1 opinions

Posted: 25 Apr 2015, 02:17
by Bobby Doorknobs
Biscione wrote:
Francis23 wrote:Here's one for you, I rather liked the BAR 01 and Minardi M02 liveries

While you're on your own with the BAR zip livery...

*nervously sticks hand up as someone who kind of liked it*

Re: Unpopular F1 opinions

Posted: 25 Apr 2015, 02:48
by Nessafox
Simtek wrote:
Biscione wrote:
Francis23 wrote:Here's one for you, I rather liked the BAR 01 and Minardi M02 liveries

While you're on your own with the BAR zip livery...

*nervously sticks hand up as someone who kind of liked it*

You can't possibly call it beautiful, but i did like it too, because at least it was different. But that's probably because love the 555 side. At the time i didn't like the Lucky Strike side (altough nowadays i appreciate it a lot more)

And that Minardi was gorgeous. I disagree about the aero pieces though.

Re: Unpopular F1 opinions

Posted: 25 Apr 2015, 06:51
by UncreativeUsername37
Simtek wrote:
Biscione wrote:
Francis23 wrote:Here's one for you, I rather liked the BAR 01 and Minardi M02 liveries

While you're on your own with the BAR zip livery...

*nervously sticks hand up as someone who kind of liked it*

It was better than the Williams, at least.

Re: Unpopular F1 opinions

Posted: 25 Apr 2015, 12:32
by FullMetalJack
Biscione wrote:
Francis23 wrote:Here's one for you, I rather liked the BAR 01 and Minardi M02 liveries

While you're on your own with the BAR zip livery, the M02 seems to have been universally praised in this thread already! So it's not unpopular at all :D


Yeah, surely me not liking the M02 livery is the unpopular opinion.

Re: Unpopular F1 opinions

Posted: 25 Apr 2015, 15:46
by GerhardTalger
UgncreativeUsergname wrote:
Rob Dylan wrote:While he definitely had the driving talent, his McLaren was a very, very quick car (qualifying like a second ahead of the other teams), and in some ways it showed more the skill of Schumacher that he could challenge Hakkinen in a season-long campaign in a Ferrari that was behind. There was no really denying the talent of the man himself, but in regards to the championships themselves, you could argue he was handed 1999 with Irvine's pit-stop .

Irvine was the one who almost got handed 1999. First brakes had to hand it to him at Silverstone. Then Salo had to hand it to him at Germany. Then Häkkinen had to hand it to him in Italy, which I guess isn't as bad but it's eleven points that said nothing about Irvine himself. Then Schumacher had to hand it to him twice at Malaysia, and was ready to do the same thing at Suzuka. And then he still didn't win.


Even Heinz-Harald looked a contender on lap 27 at the Nurburgring... too bad he dropped out. For one unpopular opinion (at least here) I feel more disbelief in HHF losing his championship chances there than Luca losing his 4th place later on in that race.

Re: Unpopular F1 opinions

Posted: 25 Apr 2015, 16:20
by tBone
Simtek wrote:
Biscione wrote:
Francis23 wrote:Here's one for you, I rather liked the BAR 01 and Minardi M02 liveries

While you're on your own with the BAR zip livery...

*nervously sticks hand up as someone who kind of liked it*

*hesitantly does the same*

About Minardi liveries, here's an unpopular one, I think. The M198 and M199 had the best liveries Minardi has ever had, in my opinion.