Grand Prix Rejects

AndreaModa wrote:

Klon wrote:First AndreaModa, now Jocke1. Why am I only doing avatar bets with people that have nothing that resembles honour?

Eh, what's this about? Have I missed something? Haven't done an avatar challenge for years!

In 2013, we had a combined avatar/signature bet about Kimi challenging for the world championship which you - being on Kimi's side - lost. The loser was to wear an avatar and a signature of the winner's choice for three months. Unfortunately, it's too late for amends now since the avatar you were supposed to have was an anti-Marussia one, which, given certain events in Monaco this year, is kind of invalid.

Klon wrote:

AndreaModa wrote:

Klon wrote:First AndreaModa, now Jocke1. Why am I only doing avatar bets with people that have nothing that resembles honour?

Eh, what's this about? Have I missed something? Haven't done an avatar challenge for years!

In 2013, we had a combined avatar/signature bet about Kimi challenging for the world championship which you - being on Kimi's side - lost. The loser was to wear an avatar and a signature of the winner's choice for three months. Unfortunately, it's too late for amends now since the avatar you were supposed to have was an anti-Marussia one, which, given certain events in Monaco this year, is kind of invalid.

Ah. My bad, clearly forgotten about that one! Maybe we can do one again soon and actually follow that one through!

Speaking of avatar challenges, who did I have thr bet with about Lotus scoring a podium?

Top Gear was once good but now it isn't. The flimed segments where you're led to believe hilarious stuff just happens and they catch it on camera are all scripted sketches masquerading as reality.

I also used to like Jeremy Clarkson but as his success and confidence has grown he increasingly feels able to express his more and more right wing views to the viewing public.

Well, it says Rantbox at the top of page so.....

CoopsII wrote:Top Gear was once good but now it isn't. The flimed segments where you're led to believe hilarious stuff just happens and they catch it on camera are all scripted sketches masquerading as reality.

I also used to like Jeremy Clarkson but as his success and confidence has grown he increasingly feels able to express his more and more right wing views to the viewing public.

Well, it says Rantbox at the top of page so.....

It's ironic that Clarkson himself is synonymous with ranting.

CoopsII wrote:Top Gear was once good but now it isn't. The flimed segments where you're led to believe hilarious stuff just happens and they catch it on camera are all scripted sketches masquerading as reality.

I also used to like Jeremy Clarkson but as his success and confidence has grown he increasingly feels able to express his more and more right wing views to the viewing public.

Well, it says Rantbox at the top of page so.....

Your a FinalGear member aren't you?

Seriously though, I only disagree in one minor point. It isn't AS good. It's still better than 98% of the shite on TV. But compared to the first 12 seasons or so, it is pretty lame.

Wallio wrote:

CoopsII wrote:Top Gear was once good but now it isn't. The flimed segments where you're led to believe hilarious stuff just happens and they catch it on camera are all scripted sketches masquerading as reality.

I also used to like Jeremy Clarkson but as his success and confidence has grown he increasingly feels able to express his more and more right wing views to the viewing public.

Well, it says Rantbox at the top of page so.....

Your a FinalGear member aren't you?

Seriously though, I only disagree in one minor point. It isn't AS good. It's still better than 98% of the shite on TV. But compared to the first 12 seasons or so, it is pretty lame.

It's much more scripted nowadays, and the India special was absolutely appalling. Nowadays I watch it for those really amazing, genuine moments of hilarity that slip between the cracks once or twice an episode like this and this.

SgtPepper wrote:

Wallio wrote:

CoopsII wrote:Top Gear was once good but now it isn't. The flimed segments where you're led to believe hilarious stuff just happens and they catch it on camera are all scripted sketches masquerading as reality.

I also used to like Jeremy Clarkson but as his success and confidence has grown he increasingly feels able to express his more and more right wing views to the viewing public.

Well, it says Rantbox at the top of page so.....

Your a FinalGear member aren't you?

Seriously though, I only disagree in one minor point. It isn't AS good. It's still better than 98% of the shite on TV. But compared to the first 12 seasons or so, it is pretty lame.

It's much more scripted nowadays, and the India special was absolutely appalling. Nowadays I watch it for those really amazing, genuine moments of hilarity that slip between the cracks once or twice an episode like this.

I think the show peaked between 2006 and 2008 in tearms of hilarity

The last time I watched it I felt like Id been conned. Worse, Id been conned by posh boys who were patronising the ler clars scam.

CoopsII wrote:Top Gear was once good but now it isn't. The flimed segments where you're led to believe hilarious stuff just happens and they catch it on camera are all scripted sketches masquerading as reality.

I also used to like Jeremy Clarkson but as his success and confidence has grown he increasingly feels able to express his more and more right wing views to the viewing public.

Well, it says Rantbox at the top of page so.....

Sit back down in your rocking chair grandad, no-one wants to hear your moaning about the good old days!

I would but my prostate's playing up

CoopsII wrote:Top Gear was once good but now it isn't. The flimed segments where you're led to believe hilarious stuff just happens and they catch it on camera are all scripted sketches masquerading as reality.

I also used to like Jeremy Clarkson but as his success and confidence has grown he increasingly feels able to express his more and more right wing views to the viewing public.

Well, it says Rantbox at the top of page so.....

I half agree, it is still a great show but some of the gags do increasingly seem tired and unoriginal. As for Clarkson being a Tory, the impression that I get is that he exxagerates his views for entertainment, he isn't the first and won't be the last to do that.

RonDenisDeletraz wrote:

CoopsII wrote:Top Gear was once good but now it isn't. The flimed segments where you're led to believe hilarious stuff just happens and they catch it on camera are all scripted sketches masquerading as reality.

I also used to like Jeremy Clarkson but as his success and confidence has grown he increasingly feels able to express his more and more right wing views to the viewing public.

Well, it says Rantbox at the top of page so.....

I half agree, it is still a great show but some of the gags do increasingly seem tired and unoriginal. As for Clarkson being a Tory, the impression that I get is that he exxagerates his views for entertainment, he isn't the first and won't be the last to do that.

Well, i happen to have a Top Gear avatar. I guess i'll get my coat then?

CoopsII wrote:Top Gear was once good but now it isn't. The flimed segments where you're led to believe hilarious stuff just happens and they catch it on camera are all scripted sketches masquerading as reality.

I also used to like Jeremy Clarkson but as his success and confidence has grown he increasingly feels able to express his more and more right wing views to the viewing public.

Well, it says Rantbox at the top of page so.....

I still like Top Gear. Although I miss the days when they didn't felt the need to do the same stuff every other season albeit in differing contexts.

I am ok that it is scripted. Lots of things going on TV are scripted. TV shows are scripted. If one sees Top Gear as a comedy show with an emphasis on cars, which it is, then I see no problem whatsoever. Final Gear on the other hand, it still is a show about cars. And they script stuff in there too, obviously. But I acknowledge your point about masquerading as reality. They should just assume most of it is not real.

As for Clarkson, I still find him funny regardless and because of this, I could never take his views seriously. Although I share your concern about him taking advantage of being in the show to express some political views.

I swear about 90% of the world's complaints are that "things aren't as good now as they were in the past". According to these complaints, the best year ever was approximately the year 200,000 BCE, where there wasn't anything to complain about.

Extrapolation.

Ataxia wrote:I swear about 90% of the world's complaints are that "things aren't as good now as they were in the past". According to these complaints, the best year ever was approximately the year 200,000 BCE, where there wasn't anything to complain about.

Extrapolation.

And do you blame them? Everything was ruined the moment someone learnt how to make fire!

DanielPT wrote:

Ataxia wrote:I swear about 90% of the world's complaints are that "things aren't as good now as they were in the past". According to these complaints, the best year ever was approximately the year 200,000 BCE, where there wasn't anything to complain about.

Extrapolation.

And do you blame them? Everything was ruined the moment someone learnt how to make fire!

Exactly. Ever since we started eating meat cooked everyone's gone soft.

Ataxia wrote:I swear about 90% of the world's complaints are that "things aren't as good now as they were in the past". According to these complaints, the best year ever was approximately the year 200,000 BCE, where there wasn't anything to complain about.

Extrapolation.

Pollyanna principle. Quote:

Totally reliable source wrote:According to the Pollyanna Principle, the brain processes information that is pleasing and agreeable in a more precise and exact manner as compared to unpleasant information. We actually tend to remember past experiences as more rosy than they actually occurred.

Hamilton fanboys on Twitter are a joke really. I had a bit of an argument with [url="https://www.youtube.com/user/aaallliiiggg"]Alex Gillon[/url] around Hungary time where I, as a Rosberg fan, asked him to stop whining about Hamilton's car faliure and also the comments on [url="http://instagram.com/p/sF5KZ9r0_P/?modal=true"]this[/url]are really horrible. At least he would get some of my respect back if he asked his fanboys to play nicely, a la Susie Wolff and Checo Perez.
Rant Over.

Ah, one of them F1 game commentators. He's a twat by default.

mrfakeboullier wrote:Hamilton fanboys are a joke really.
Rant Over.

Fixed it for you. Whatever respect Hamilton can gleam from me with his driving ability (I absolutely despise Schumacher. Yet I cannot deny his skills deserve respect), is pissed away by his fanbase. Yes. Fanbase can ruin your view of someone.

Yes I agree Dontirri they were once again posting on Facebook about conspiracies of Hamilton being sabotaged and crap like that. It's ludicrous and pathetic.

Klon wrote:First AndreaModa, now Jocke1. Why am I only doing avatar bets with people that have nothing that resembles honour?

Didn't see this until now, I'm sorry you had to doubt whether I had any honour or not, Klon.
A friendly reminder would have been nicer than honour questioned.
I was looking forward to the Spa weekend and our bet
and I kind of knew beforehand I would lose and lose good.
But since you never replied here;
http://f1rejects.com/forum/viewtopic.ph ... 26#p314726
I figured you just weren't interested anymore.

Changed to your avatar now. One month, was it?

DonTirri wrote:

mrfakeboullier wrote:Hamilton fanboys are a joke really.
Rant Over.

Fixed it for you. Whatever respect Hamilton can gleam from me with his driving ability (I absolutely despise Schumacher. Yet I cannot deny his skills deserve respect), is pissed away by his fanbase. Yes. Fanbase can ruin your view of someone.

I find Keke Rosberg's skills deserve immense respect. That Silverstone pole lap

I find it irritating every time I hear anybody say that, "oh Hamilton might feel isolated because Mercedes is a German team and they have a bias towards Rosberg".
Well not only is it somewhat wrong to say that Mercedes is a German team, considering a lot of the personnel who work there are British and the team is based in Brackley
But also it's just absurd that people actually think that Mercedes would be trying to sabotage their own teams effort.

And now back to commentators...

What takes the platinum award for the worst commentator ever? The X Games/Global Rallycross commentators of Indonesia's Net TV. They used the wrong term (it's driver, not rider, dumbasses) and one of the commentators casually supports a driver during every heats. But what takes the cake? When they played a joke when the yellow flag was shown (in Indonesia, we put yellow flags in the street to indicate that someone nearby has just died; they made a reference to it, IIRC). Bathplug them.

Minardi Man wrote:I find it irritating every time I hear anybody say that, "oh Hamilton might feel isolated because Mercedes is a German team and they have a bias towards Rosberg".
Well not only is it somewhat wrong to say that Mercedes is a German team, considering a lot of the personnel who work there are British and the team is based in Brackley
But also it's just absurd that people actually think that Mercedes would be trying to sabotage their own teams effort.

I haven't actually heard that comment but even if I did it appears Lauda is in Hamiltons corner which I reckon would certainly make up for any isolation.

Jocke1 wrote:A friendly reminder would have been nicer than honour questioned.

I am a (passive-)aggressive git, I can't do friendly. My brain is challenged too much by the concept of politeness.
Seriously though, sorry.

Jocke1 wrote:Changed to your avatar now. One month, was it?

Indeed it was.

Suzi Perry just used the phrase "the most strongest"....
Urgh, I can't stand her, she is the reason I usually watch sky over BBC

Klon wrote:Seriously though, sorry.

Thanks, already forgotten : )

Minardi Man wrote:Suzi Perry...Urgh

yes

Minardi Man wrote:Suzi Perry just used the phrase "the most strongest"....
Urgh, I can't stand her, she is the reason I usually watch sky over BBC

Eh, can't say I noticed that... There again, I was listening to BBC Radio 5 Live instead...

The issue with the Stewarts for me is consistancy, Mags just took his line and did nothing wrong, we have seen worse in fia series, notably in gp2 2012 at spa when Colado shoved Valsecchi onto the grass on the Kemmel straight and some, no investigation. What was different between the Button Perez incident and the Mags, Bottas incident, both looked like forcing a car off to me, but even complained about Perez when he shoved him there. Also Ericsson started in the pits as he overtook under double yellows in practice, yet Rosberg overtook under red in silverstone and no penalty, I don't mind the Stewarts being lieniant or harsh as long as they are consistent

In the BTCC at Knockhill Plato got away with t-boning Rob Austin, and I won't even go into how much shite the Hondas get away with, while GIO gets done for tapping a car

So, I am almost certainly in a minority but I think Magnussen needs to learn some racecraft. The decisions made against him have been marginal and he isn't aggressive in same way that Maldonado or Hamilton can be at times. However, I have seen (what I perceive to be) that he seems to take the same line through a corner regardless of whether there is a car alongside him or not. Fair enough if someone is having a nimble at you but if someone is pretty much side by side you have to give a little more space. This does not mean he needs to give up the place but rather that he shouldn't be squeezing people out so often. Maybe he just needs to use his mirrors! That is the difference between him and some of the more seasoned racers like Alonso, I'm not sure that the more experienced guys expect him to behave as he does.

Magnussen has great potential, but I hope he can get better in the wheel-to-wheel stuff.

watka wrote:So, I am almost certainly in a minority but I think Magnussen needs to learn some racecraft. The decisions made against him have been marginal and he isn't aggressive in same way that Maldonado or Hamilton can be at times. However, I have seen (what I perceive to be) that he seems to take the same line through a corner regardless of whether there is a car alongside him or not. Fair enough if someone is having a nimble at you but if someone is pretty much side by side you have to give a little more space. This does not mean he needs to give up the place but rather that he shouldn't be squeezing people out so often. Maybe he just needs to use his mirrors! That is the difference between him and some of the more seasoned racers like Alonso, I'm not sure that the more experienced guys expect him to behave as he does.

Magnussen has great potential, but I hope he can get better in the wheel-to-wheel stuff.

I agree that he can be unecessarly aggressive, like having Alonso on the grass on the Kemmel straight, however massa takes the same line through a corner when a car is there an hardly ever gets a penealty, as I said in my previous post, why did button not get a penealty? Plus you can't see much in the mirrors at 150+mph and finally Bottas should have expected to run out of road. Mags is a bit aggressive but the Stewarts are being harsh to him.

andrew wrote:The issue with the Stewarts for me is consistancy, Mags just took his line and did nothing wrong, we have seen worse in FIA series, notably in gp2 2012 at spa when Colado shoved Valsecchi onto the grass on the Kemmel straight and some, no investigation. What was different between the Button, Perez incident and the Mags, Bottas incident, both looked like forcing a car off to me, but even complained about Perez when he shoved him there. Also, Ericsson started in the pits as he overtook under double yellows in practice, yet Rosberg overtook under red in Silverstone and no penalty, I don't mind the Stewarts being lieniant or harsh as long as they are consistent.

In the BTCC at Knockhill, Plato got away with t-boning Rob Austin, and I won't even go into how much shite the Hondas get away with, while GIO gets done for tapping a car.

Fixed.

andrew wrote:

watka wrote:So, I am almost certainly in a minority but I think Magnussen needs to learn some racecraft. The decisions made against him have been marginal and he isn't aggressive in same way that Maldonado or Hamilton can be at times. However, I have seen (what I perceive to be) that he seems to take the same line through a corner regardless of whether there is a car alongside him or not. Fair enough if someone is having a nimble at you but if someone is pretty much side by side you have to give a little more space. This does not mean he needs to give up the place but rather that he shouldn't be squeezing people out so often. Maybe he just needs to use his mirrors! That is the difference between him and some of the more seasoned racers like Alonso, I'm not sure that the more experienced guys expect him to behave as he does.

Magnussen has great potential, but I hope he can get better in the wheel-to-wheel stuff.

I agree that he can be unecessarly aggressive, like having Alonso on the grass on the Kemmel straight, however massa takes the same line through a corner when a car is there an hardly ever gets a penealty, as I said in my previous post, why did button not get a penealty? Plus you can't see much in the mirrors at 150+mph and finally Bottas should have expected to run out of road. Mags is a bit aggressive but the Stewarts are being harsh to him.

I think that part of the reason why Magnussed is so forceful on track is because McLaren are not telling him to reign in his behaviour - if what Brundle mentioned over the weekend is true, Ron Dennis is actively encouraging Magnussen to be aggressive on track, in much the same way that Whitmarsh advised Perez that he should "get his elbows out", as he put it.

Now, I do agree that perhaps the stewards were overly quick to penalise Magnussen in Italy for what was, to many, a racing incident - however, given that it came on the back of an infraction in Spa, I guess that his previous actions clouded the judgement of the stewards in Monza.
In the case of Spa, I can agree with the reasoning - that Magnussen's move was wrong because he appears to have intentionally waited for Alonso to make a move before trying to force him off the track, which is considered to be dangerous driving - but that incident, coupled with earlier incidents this season, seem to have created an image around Magnussen that he is an overly aggressive driver.

It's one of those situations where he's gained a reputation rather quickly for a bad character trait that is not easy to shift, and that does seem to be shaping public opinion about him. Although the stewards might try to exclude that outside influence, if you are dealing with a driver whom the public perceive to be an overly aggressive or reckless driver, inevitably that is going to create a subconscious bias where you are probably less likely to give that driver the benefit of the doubt. Had Magnussen not been driving in such an aggressive manner in Spa, the stewards probably wouldn't have come down quite so harshly on him for the incident with Bottas and perhaps would have watered the penalty down to a reprimand instead.

roblomas52 wrote:

andrew wrote:The issue with the Stewarts for me is consistancy, Mags just took his line and did nothing wrong, we have seen worse in FIA series, notably in gp2 2012 at spa when Colado shoved Valsecchi onto the grass on the Kemmel straight and some, no investigation. What was different between the Button, Perez incident and the Mags, Bottas incident, both looked like forcing a car off to me, but even complained about Perez when he shoved him there. Also, Ericsson started in the pits as he overtook under double yellows in practice, yet Rosberg overtook under red in Silverstone and no penalty, I don't mind the Stewarts being lieniant or harsh as long as they are consistent.

In the BTCC at Knockhill, Plato got away with t-boning Rob Austin, and I won't even go into how much shite the Hondas get away with, while GIO gets done for tapping a car.

Fixed.

Oh, the irony

Honestly, I really don't see anything wrong with how Magnussen was driving. I feel like if it was Alonso in that position, nobody would've made any sort of deal about it, but because Magnussen made one singular error of judgement in the previous race, suddenly he's a dangerous driver and needs to be reigned in.

Give Magnussen some break already, he's still in his first season. Look how Grosjean matured over 2013, and he was reckless...

But nope, the stewards decide otherwise... they interfere in the WCC 5th battle between SFI and McLaren...

Try as I might, I'm finding it really hard to keep Lewis Hamilton's performances separate from his personality, and of course Lewisteria, even though that isn't his fault. I've genuinely tried to appreciate him as a racer this season, and tried to let go of my predisposition to not like him because the British media are all over him (as is understandable to a degree) and enjoy the battle between him and Rosberg, but I can't anymore.

I read the tag line of Coulthard's column on the BBC saying the public is now on Lewis' side, and if that's actually true*, the "public" are idiots. Hamilton has cried, complained, bitched, accused, formed conspiracies in his head, made errors because he was thinking about Rosberg more than himself, and generally been an arse all season, but Rosberg is the bad guy because he kept his nose in one manouvre for a few yards too many, and admitted that he did it to show Lewis that he was capable of not backing down?

Lewis has regularly made late, aggressive moves and kept his car in an attempted overtake longer than other drivers do, and instead of being told he's dangerous and fined by his team, he usually gets praised for his racecraft over it. Germany was a great example, the only reason he got that Mercedes to the finish is because most of the drivers he was up against didn't bother fighting him. There were several occasions when the door could've legitimately been closed on him and he'd have lost his wing, but it never happened, much to my disappointment. Not only that, it was a great performance from him. He also ignored team orders in Hungary, could you imagine the field day the British media would have if Rosberg did that? Double standards anybody?

I'm not a massive fan of either of them, but I now really want Rosberg to win, just so Lewis doesn't. Over the medium to long term, I'd actually prefer to see the return of RedBullWinslol than for Lewis to be WDC again. He is toxic, the press who support him are toxic, and I bet most of his fans are probably toxic too.

Now. Done.

* Yes I know Rosberg was booed, but that doesn't actually mean the majority of the F1 supporting public want Lewis to win.