Grand Prix Rejects

Nuppiz wrote:

Phoenix wrote:

shinji wrote:Do you even know the exchange rate?

1 HWNSNBM = 100 BILLION dollars.

I said, I WANT 150 HWNSNBM'S PER WEEK!

Either you'll be fine with 50 or you'll be replaced. I'm the accountant here. ( )

I don't know what Finnish GAAP has to say, but I certainly wouldn't prepare that company's accounts on a going concern basis Nuppiz.

i think they care, its just horrendous mis-management by FOM and the FIA with regard to a US race.

MotoGP now has two races in the US, so its clear to see that European based motorsport can succeed there, hell look how many GPs were there in the 80s!

Bring back at least one US GP and the popularity would easily be enough to confirm interest in an F1 movie

AndreaModa wrote:MotoGP now has two races in the US, so its clear to see that European based motorsport can succeed there, hell look how many GPs were there in the 80s!

Bring back at least one US GP and the popularity would easily be enough to confirm interest in an F1 movie

I reckon that part of the problem with Grand Prix races in the United States is the difficulty of finding a circuit to race on that isn't hopelessly boring. I'm sure one exists (Watkins Glen wasn't bad in the past), but a lot of the best-known American circuits are ovals or otherwise not suited for Formula One racing. Indianapolis was pretty boring, with its series of tedious right-handers and hairpins, so they'd be looking for a circuit with a better layout than that.

RAK wrote:

AndreaModa wrote:MotoGP now has two races in the US, so its clear to see that European based motorsport can succeed there, hell look how many GPs were there in the 80s!

Bring back at least one US GP and the popularity would easily be enough to confirm interest in an F1 movie

I reckon that part of the problem with Grand Prix races in the United States is the difficulty of finding a circuit to race on that isn't hopelessly boring. I'm sure one exists (Watkins Glen wasn't bad in the past), but a lot of the best-known American circuits are ovals or otherwise not suited for Formula One racing. Indianapolis was pretty boring, with its series of tedious right-handers and hairpins, so they'd be looking for a circuit with a better layout than that.

I quite liked Long Beach as a Venue, and it did have some great racing. 1982 immediately springs to mind with Rosberg & Villeneueve battling lap after lap. I believe they stop hosting F1 because of financial reasons, but carried on with Indy cars at least to 1997 (after which I lost interest). Do they still host motor racing at Long Beach?

I for one would really enjoy watching F1 on an oval. Why not? It'd be a challenge like any circuit, and a unique one for F1. When I heard F1 was returning to Indy for 2000 I was thrilled. When I saw the mickey-mouse infield track I wondered why they'd bothered.

Nuppiz wrote:

Phoenix wrote:

shinji wrote:Do you even know the exchange rate?

1 HWNSNBM = 100 BILLION dollars.

I said, I WANT 150 HWNSNBM'S PER WEEK!

Either you'll be fine with 50 or you'll be replaced. I'm the accountant here. ( )

OK, 75. It's my last offer.

coops wrote:I for one would really enjoy watching F1 on an oval. Why not? It'd be a challenge like any circuit, and a unique one for F1. When I heard F1 was returning to Indy for 2000 I was thrilled. When I saw the mickey-mouse infield track I wondered why they'd bothered.

Nah. The FIA and some drivers would say it's insecure or something like that.

AndreaModa wrote:i think they care, its just horrendous mis-management by FOM and the FIA with regard to a US race.

MotoGP now has two races in the US, so its clear to see that European based motorsport can succeed there, hell look how many GPs were there in the 80s!

Bring back at least one US GP and the popularity would easily be enough to confirm interest in an F1 movie

I may be wrong but I think the Indy GP had the highest number of bums on seats each season. The stands were not full, but they are BIG stands.

Phoenix wrote:Nah. The FIA and some drivers would say it's insecure or something like that.

Oh I can hear the headlines now. I remember when Mansell went to Indycar and the british tabloids whipped up a frenzy with such classics as "He'll Be Dicing With Death At 220mph!!" and the like.

Two years later 2 F1 drivers lost their lives on a regular track.

coops wrote:

Phoenix wrote:Nah. The FIA and some drivers would say it's insecure or something like that.

Oh I can hear the headlines now. I remember when Mansell went to Indycar and the british tabloids whipped up a frenzy with such classics as "He'll Be Dicing With Death At 220mph!!" and the like.

Two years later 2 F1 drivers lost their lives on a regular track.

First time I read that, I saw "dicking." Just saying.

thehemogoblin wrote:

coops wrote: I remember when Mansell went to Indycar and the british tabloids whipped up a frenzy with such classics as "He'll Be Dicing With Death At 220mph!!" and the like.
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First time I read that, I saw "dicking." Just saying.

Now thats Freudian.

coops wrote:

Phoenix wrote:Nah. The FIA and some drivers would say it's insecure or something like that.

Oh I can hear the headlines now. I remember when Mansell went to Indycar and the british tabloids whipped up a frenzy with such classics as "He'll Be Dicing With Death At 220mph!!" and the like.

Two years later 2 F1 drivers lost their lives on a regular track.

To be fair, Indy Cars were quite dangerous between the 1970-2000 period.

Phoenix wrote:

coops wrote:

Phoenix wrote:Nah. The FIA and some drivers would say it's insecure or something like that.

Oh I can hear the headlines now. I remember when Mansell went to Indycar and the british tabloids whipped up a frenzy with such classics as "He'll Be Dicing With Death At 220mph!!" and the like.

Two years later 2 F1 drivers lost their lives on a regular track.

To be fair, Indy Cars were quite dangerous between the 1970-2000 period.

Yes nasty accident to Jeff Kronos (apologies for the poor spelling) & two trackside marshalls in 1996.

Also was it Greg Moore who fatally crashed in circa 2000 in a horrific one?

True - CART (and also the IRL) was more dangerous in the second half ot the 90ies than F1, and probably still is today (although Krosnoff's accident was simply due to a horriffic chain of events and could have happened just as well in Monaco or even Valencia and Singapore today, let's just hope nothing like that ever does happen there, Grosjean came dangerusly close to becoming airborne in Monaco in GP2 last year).
Greg Moores fatal crash in 1999 (which I still remember very vividly, as I was watching the race live) however was clearly due to the specific dangers of oval racing, where track safety standards cannot be so easily compared to F1 - and (perhaps) also to the injury to his hand that he had received shortly before the race.
The clearest case of CART being more dangerous than F1 at that time, even on the road courses was Gonzalo Rodriguez' tragic accident in the same year in Laguna Seca, that, in my opinion, was caused by the wall at Crokscrew being 1) far too near to the track, and 2) lacking several rows of tire barriers. It still is too near for my taste today, even though Laguna Seca have improved their security standards.

ibsey wrote:Also was it Greg Moore who fatally crashed in circa 2000 in a horrific one?

Sure was and I thought he was a great driver. Also dont forget Zanardi and his accident.

coops wrote: Also dont forget Zanardi and his accident.

More recently there have also been the fatal accidents of Tony Renna and Paul Dana - and the severe injuries of Cristiano Da Matta, Kenny Brack and Ryan Briscoe.
But again, 4 out of these 5 happened on ovals, where security standards cannot be compared to F1 due to this being an almost completely different kind of racing. Still, one has to admit that this does make American open wheel racing much more dangerous - which was also one reason (among others) why Camp Car decided to quit ovals in 2007.
Only Da Matta's crash happened on a road course - and was not so much due to the poor safety standards in Road America as such, but more due to incredible bad luck. Make no mistake, though: Standards there (and on several other American road courses like Watkins Glen, Mid Ohio or Sears Point) are quite poor compared to tracks F1 would use.

I'd actually go out and say that with the SAFER Barrier, IndyCar has done a pretty good job of making most of the ovals less dangerous.

I dont want to sit with my family and see drivers die every other weekend but I also think the sense of danger is historically an important part of the sport.

coops wrote:I dont want to sit with my family and see drivers die every other weekend...

You obviously don't know a good party when you see one...

coops wrote:I dont want to sit with my family and see drivers die every other weekend but I also think the sense of danger is historically an important part of the sport.

And the week in July which saw a driver in F2 die and a driver in F1 have a lucky escape taught us that that sense of danger is still there.

thehemogoblin wrote:

coops wrote:I dont want to sit with my family and see drivers die every other weekend...

You obviously don't know a good party when you see one...

Safety is no joke, dude.

Phoenix wrote:

thehemogoblin wrote:

coops wrote:I dont want to sit with my family and see drivers die every other weekend...

You obviously don't know a good party when you see one...

Safety is no joke, dude.

Yes, mommy. I'm sorry...

thehemogoblin wrote:

Phoenix wrote:Safety is no joke, dude.

Yes, mommy. I'm sorry...

Go to the church and confess your sins, son.

thehemogoblin wrote:Yes, mommy. I'm sorry...

You're the mommy. We've been over this.

shinji wrote:

thehemogoblin wrote:Yes, mommy. I'm sorry...

You're the mommy. We've been over this.

I think we've been on a metamorphosis

Phoenix wrote:

shinji wrote:

thehemogoblin wrote:Yes, mommy. I'm sorry...

You're the mommy. We've been over this.

I think we've been on a metamorphosis

Oh dear God. I'm so confused.

Emancipation is the only way. Good movie idea perhaps? Two men who have an adopted child, but the child emancipates himself, and he's also an up and coming karter.

shinji wrote:Oh dear God. I'm so confused.

Emancipation is the only way. Good movie idea perhaps? Two men who have an adopted child, but the child emancipates himself, and he's also an up and coming karter.

...who takes all the necessary steps up into F1, only to sign for an USF1-esque team that vanishes before the season begins. Two swans die. The guy becomes demoralised and begins an alternative career as a rap singer.

Phoenix wrote:

shinji wrote:Oh dear God. I'm so confused.

Emancipation is the only way. Good movie idea perhaps? Two men who have an adopted child, but the child emancipates himself, and he's also an up and coming karter.

...who takes all the necessary steps up into F1, only to sign for an USF1-esque team that vanishes before the season begins. Two swans die. The guy becomes demoralised and begins an alternative career as a rap singer.

...named Eminem.


It's actually a touching biopic.

shinji wrote:

Phoenix wrote:

shinji wrote:Oh dear God. I'm so confused.

Emancipation is the only way. Good movie idea perhaps? Two men who have an adopted child, but the child emancipates himself, and he's also an up and coming karter.

...who takes all the necessary steps up into F1, only to sign for an USF1-esque team that vanishes before the season begins. Two swans die. The guy becomes demoralised and begins an alternative career as a rap singer.

...named Eminem.


It's actually a touching biopic.

After 3 years singing in strip clubs, the opportunity arises again. His old manager starts a new team. It all looks organized enough, with Lola building the chassis, Ferrari customer engines and Google as a sponsor. Will this be his real deal?

What the hell did the school put in your lunches today, guys?

thehemogoblin wrote:What the hell did the school put in your lunches today, guys?

I'm on mid-term, bored out of my mind.

Phoenix passed both of us in comments just now.

thehemogoblin wrote:Phoenix passed both of us in comments just now.

I know. I'm overtaking him again with this though

1800 HELLS YES.

shinji wrote:

thehemogoblin wrote:What the hell did the school put in your lunches today, guys?

I'm on mid-term, bored out of my mind.

I don't have any much school left (two days in five weeks), unlikely to get a job for summer (no job experience, no job, but how should I get job experience if I can't get a job at all?), pretty depressed because of that and on top of that bored as hell, but I'm still not inventing any new movie scripts.

Moderators, feel free to remove this post if it's too off-topic, I just had to pour out this somewhere, to someone.

I didn't realize I was so close to you guys. Carlos still has us all out-obsessed though.

Nuppiz wrote:

shinji wrote:

thehemogoblin wrote:What the hell did the school put in your lunches today, guys?

I'm on mid-term, bored out of my mind.

I don't have any much school left (two days in five weeks), unlikely to get a job for summer (no job experience, no job, but how should I get job experience if I can't get a job at all?), pretty depressed because of that and on top of that bored as hell, but I'm still not inventing any new movie scripts.

Moderators, feel free to remove this post if it's too off-topic, I just had to pour out this somewhere, to someone.

Cheer up! F1's back on in 24 (if my sig is accurate) days!

shinji wrote:Cheer up! F1's back on in 24 (if my sig is accurate) days!

At least something to do on those weekends. Despite the lack of Finns in the series, it should be an interesting season.

Have Carlos and Shinji passed me for highest average posts per day yet?

thehemogoblin wrote:Phoenix passed both of us in comments just now.

I'm beginning to worry myself with this. I mean, I didn't abandon my life or my studies but I think I have the highest average post number grow-up of the forum. I had only some 1100 posts in January 1st...
And I thought to myself I only needed to unwind a bit after studying or coming back from high school...

Phoenix wrote:

thehemogoblin wrote:Phoenix passed both of us in comments just now.

I'm beginning to worry myself with this. I mean, I didn't abandon my life or my studies but I think I have the highest average post number grow-up of the forum. I had only some 1100 posts in January 1st...
And I thought to myself I only needed to unwind a bit after studying or coming back from high school...

F1 Rejects is not just a forum... it's a way of life.

kostas22 wrote:Have Carlos and Shinji passed me for highest average posts per day yet?

Yep, you're on 7.1, Carlos is 7.2. I'm back on 6.5. Eagleash is ahead of me on 6.98.

shinji wrote:

Phoenix wrote:

thehemogoblin wrote:Phoenix passed both of us in comments just now.

I'm beginning to worry myself with this. I mean, I didn't abandon my life or my studies but I think I have the highest average post number grow-up of the forum. I had only some 1100 posts in January 1st...
And I thought to myself I only needed to unwind a bit after studying or coming back from high school...

F1 Rejects is not just a forum... it's a way of life.

I think I'll have to take a break. Seriously.
BTW CarlosFerreira has surpassed kostas22 in the average number of posts per day. Just saying...