Grand Prix Rejects

mario wrote:Just seen this article in Autosport: http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/81937
So, judging by the fact that Bridgestone suggests that Sauber look to be the best at preserving their tyres, I wouldn't be surprised to see Sauber doing reasonably well in race trim. At the very least, the suggestion by Bridgestone that Sauber could get away with running a softer compound in Q3, and still be able to run a race stint on that tyre without the times dropping off too badly, means that they could give the big 4 teams a bit of trouble in qualifying as well.
So, based on that, I reckon that a points finish for Sauber at Bahrein is on the cards, barring mechanical problems or accidents.

I always thought of Sauber as the 5th team. A clearly 5th team, with podiums not out of the question.

CarlosFerreira wrote:

B Leinders wrote:

mario wrote:barring mechanical problems or accidents.

Probably Sauber thought of this when they gave de la Rosa a drive (next to Cowboyashi)

I knew there was a reason! - but wouldn't Heidfeld have been better, in that case?

I am pro de la Rosa. If he turns out to be to slow (to old), Bertrand Baguette will be keen to replace him. F1 needs a Belgian driver with a name like French bread!
(Going slightly off topic, mes excuses.)

1. Sebastian Vettel
2. Fernando Alonso
3. Lewis Hamilton
4. Michael Schumacher
5. Felipe Massa
6. Jenson Button
7. Mark Webber
8. Rubens Barrichello
9. Nico Rosberg
10. Kamui Kobayashi

Pole Position: Sebastian Vettel
Fastest Lap: Lewis Hamilton
First Retirement: Lucas di Grassi
Reject of the Race: Hispania
Infinite Improbability: Williams
Deadbeat Team-Mate: Vitantonio Liuzzi
Minor League Premiership: Lotus, Nico Hulkenburg

I'm notoriously bad at these things, but let's try:

1st - Lewis Hamilton
2nd - Felipe Massa
3rd - Fernando Alonso
4th - Jenson Button
5th - Pedro de la Rosa
6th - Kamui Kobayashi
7th - Michael Schumacher
8th - Sebastian Vettel
9th - Nico Rosberg
10th - Robert Kubica

Pole Position: Lewis Hamilton
Fastest Lap: Fernando Alonso
First Retirement: Lucas di Grassi
Reject of the Race: the new part of the track
Infinite Improbability: BMW Sauber Ferrari
Deadbeat Team-Mate: Vitantonio Liuzzi (would have said Chandhok, but I believe Senna is equally ... "unexperienced")
Minor League Premiership: Virgin, Kamui Kobayashi

That begs the question if the Nosecone Championship is still alive ...

frongors Predictions
2010 Bahrain Grand Prix:
1. Massa
2. Hamilton
3. Alonso
4. Webber
5. Vettel
6. Buemi
7. Button
8. Hulkenberg
9. Schumacher
10. De la Rosa

Pole: Massa
Fastest lap: Hamilton
First Retirement: Sutil
ROTR: Mercedes
IIDOTR: Buemi
DBTMOTR: Chandhok

Let's add Minor League Premiership to this one as well: best new team and best new driver. Kind of like a Rookie of the Race thing.

Captain Hammer wrote:Let's add Minor League Premiership to this one as well: best new team and best new driver. Kind of like a Rookie of the Race thing.

I'll add it next round. For this round MLP will not count in the results. Since introducing it now before Bahrain will bring an unfair advantage (i.e you and a few other people) it might bring up quite a few questions

1. Hamilton
2. Alonso
3. Kobayashi
4. Vettel
5. De la Rosa
6. Webber
7. Button
8. Barrichello
9. Rosberg
10. Trulli


Pole: Massa
Fastest lap: Hamilton
First Retirement: Chandook (1 Lap Accident)
ROTR: Schumacher
IIDOTR: Kobayashi
DBTMOTR: Petrov

Captain Hammer wrote:Let's add Minor League Premiership to this one as well: best new team and best new driver. Kind of like a Rookie of the Race thing.

Good idea. I'll lock the Minor League Premiership thread to avoid confusion.

I think it's a good idea to amalgamate all the various prediction topics into one thread per race. And BTW I think Super Aguri's fantasy game sounds like fun - go enter it.

I also wonder, once the race weekend starts, whether we need separate threads for ROTR, DBTM and IIDOTR. But hey, it's your forum, I'm just the SA&SGPA.

eytl wrote:I also wonder, once the race weekend starts, whether we need separate threads for ROTR, DBTM and IIDOTR. But hey, it's your forum, I'm just the SA&SGPA.

You may have a point there... I can't email the Captain (who does the ROTR) and I don't remember who does the DBTM (sorry! ), but I'm OK to stop opening an IIDOTR thread per race, if we can make an "announcement" ("sticky") thread with the rules for the several awards. Am I right in thinking only Kuwashima can do that?

Another comment: it's a prove of vitality just how many ideas members are putting out. Top marks, everyone!

IMPORTANT

As the Minor League Premiership Thread has been mixed with this, I'll make here my amend about my mistaken Minor League Premiership prediction, which didn't completely fit into the rules.

The predictions:
QUALIFYING
1-Kobayashi
2-de la Rosa
3-Glock
4-di Grassi
5-Trulli
6-Kovalainen
7-Senna
8-Chandhok
RACE
1-Kobayashi
2-de la Rosa
3-Kovalainen
4-Trulli
DNFs: Glock, di Grassi, Senna, Chandhok.

Phoenix wrote:IMPORTANT

As the Minor League Premiership Thread has been mixed with this, I'll make here my amend about my mistaken Minor League Premiership prediction, which didn't completely fit into the rules.

The predictions:
QUALIFYING
1-Kobayashi
2-de la Rosa
3-Glock
4-di Grassi
5-Trulli
6-Kovalainen
7-Senna
8-Chandhok
RACE
1-Kobayashi
2-de la Rosa
3-Kovalainen
4-Trulli
DNFs: Glock, di Grassi, Senna, Chandhok.

I think the Minor League Premiership is now simply picking the best-performed new team and best-performed new driver at the end of the rest of your predicament predictions. Just letting you know before anyone else jumps on you with a tonne of bricks!

1. Alonso (the beloved genius, the man that makes the machine feels. The "Alpha and the Omega" of F1)
2. De La Rosa (The tester that made Hamilton World Champion)
3. Alguersuari (The mesiah, the De Villota Reborn...)
4. An Hispania driver, who cares who
5. The other HRT
6. Sutil, he's half uruguayan, so he's something of a 3/8ths spaniard
7. Webber (only to earn Aussies hearts in our effort to conquer that big island)
8. Kobayashi (Spanish gen lost somewhere)
9. Marc Gene replacing someone at 1th hour.
10. No one cares

Pole: Massa, only to mislead
Fast lap: Hamilton, only to find out he was cheating (Alonso and De La Rosa will discover it (without even getting out of the cockpit)
First retirement: Schumacher, properly invited to race in the gravel trap by Alonso
ROTR: The Axis of evil (Maccas, Mercs and Redbulls)
IIDOTR: USF1, no one went before so long in F1, that is, without ever constructing more than a nosecone. But still counts for something. Besides, they left Valles without a seat... (well... actually the gave him some kind of, http://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/SEAT_Fura, our lawyers say we must stick to the "spirit of the contract" and keep on fighting for it)
DBTMOTR: Massa
Minor League Premiership: Hispania, One of those guys.



Any comments???


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Good...

(ominous look in our eyes while leaving one by one)

1. Massa
2. Alonso
3. Hamilton
4. Vettel
5. Button
6. Rosberg
7. Webber
8. Kobayashi
9. Schumacher
10. Sutil

Pole: Massa
FL: Massa
First retirement: di Grassi
ROTR: Schumacher
IIDOTR: Kobayashi
DBTM: Chandhok
MLPS: Kobayashi, Lotus

Phoenix wrote:

Captain Hammer wrote:Also, I have it in for Spain. I'm sick of the way they assume the only reason anyone will watch the races is to see who comes second.

If we take this sentence, I assume most Brits will only see the races this season to see who comes 3rd.

(we need more icons here)

I Think we have a new Hero of the Motherland here!!!! Mr. Phoenix for Hispania reserve driver...

(Still we don't know if it's price or a punishment.... By any chance... don't you want a SEAT Fura Instead? We have one, and a nosecone too*)




* but doesn't fits in the Fura.

Seeing as predicting round 1 and getting it correct is about as possible as spitting into the wind.

1. Vettel
2. Webber
3. Hamilton
4. Schumacher
5. Rosberg
6. Button
7. Massa
8. Barichello
9. Kobayashi
10. Alonso

Pole: A Red Bull
First Retirement: Bernie Ecclestone
ROTR: The Fuel Drinkers (whoever konks out first)
IIDOTR: Race Cancelled
DBTM: Lucas Di Grassi
MLPS: Whats this one for?

Red Bull apparently being the best car again and gosh darnit i hate it when every year Red Bull are apparently better than last yaer, and at the beginning of last year i decided "Sod it, I get this wrong every time" and bloody hell they ended up with a good car albeit Vettel smashing it up in melbourne.

So they'll be up at the front like everyone thinks

Ferrari are apparently thirsty beasts, therefore they will either blast away at the start and then run dry, or pace themselves and not be at the front :-S

ADx_Wales wrote:MLPS: Whats this one for?

Minor League Premiership - the best rookie driver and the best rookie team.

1. Vettel
2. Hamilton
3. Webber
4. Alonso
5. Button
6. Massa
7. Rosberg
8. Kobayashi
9. Buemi
10. Schumacher

Pole: Vettel
First Retirement: Chandok (dosen't even get off the grid)
ROTR: HRT
IIDOTR: Buemi
DBTM: Barrichello
MLPS: Kamui Kobayashi and Lotus

1. Hamilton
2. Massa
3. Alonso
4. Webber
5. Button
6. Rosberg
7. Kobayashi
8. Schumacher
9. Hulkenberg
10. Sutil

Pole: Massa
First Retirement: di Grassi
ROTR: Barrichello
IIDOTR: Hulkenberg
DBTM: Barrichello
MLPS: As it doesn't count this round...

Someone explain to me what is going on?

And Whole Spanish Press Webber in 7th won't appease us. Now get us a shrubbery or you'll never leave this forum... ALIVE!

Whole Spanish Press wrote:1. Alonso (the beloved genius, the man that makes the machine feels. The "Alpha and the Omega" of F1)
2. De La Rosa (The tester that made Hamilton World Champion)
3. Alguersuari (The mesiah, the De Villota Reborn...)
4. An Hispania driver, who cares who
5. The other HRT
6. Sutil, he's half uruguayan, so he's something of a 3/8ths spaniard
7. Webber (only to earn Aussies hearts in our effort to conquer that big island)
8. Kobayashi (Spanish gen lost somewhere)
9. Marc Gene replacing someone at 1th hour.
10. No one cares

Pole: Massa, only to mislead
Fast lap: Hamilton, only to find out he was cheating (Alonso and De La Rosa will discover it (without even getting out of the cockpit)
First retirement: Schumacher, properly invited to race in the gravel trap by Alonso
ROTR: The Axis of evil (Maccas, Mercs and Redbulls)
IIDOTR: USF1, no one went before so long in F1, that is, without ever constructing more than a nosecone. But still counts for something. Besides, they left Valles without a seat... (well... actually the gave him some kind of, http://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/SEAT_Fura, our lawyers say we must stick to the "spirit of the contract" and keep on fighting for it)
DBTMOTR: Massa
Minor League Premiership: Hispania, One of those guys.



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(ominous look in our eyes while leaving one by one)

I DO have a comment...



Why isn't Marc Gené in 4th place? WHY?!.
You don't know who you are messing with...
And we'll talk about that Hispania reserve drive. I have a few Seat 600 pieces that will fit nicely in the car...

eytl wrote:I think the Minor League Premiership is now simply picking the best-performed new team and best-performed new driver at the end of the rest of your predicament predictions. Just letting you know before anyone else jumps on you with a tonne of bricks!

Oh, damn, I'm getting lost with so many games going on...

Since I stumbled across this article on the F1Technical forums, I thought that it might well be worth throwing it into the mix and seeing what people make of it. It is from Nick Heidfeld, who had an interview with the German "Auto Motor und Sport" website (slightly mangled translation here http://translate.google.com/translate?j ... l=de&tl=en )
Interestingly, although he says that Ferrari seem to have a good car, he then pointed out that it does seem to be sensitive to the track conditions and layout (with the car suffering from some slight understeer). Nick then goes on to say that he thinks that the Red Bull car is in fact the best of the field (saying that the fact that the Bahrein race package didn't come in until so late held the car back), being stable and well balanced both in the slow and high speed corners.
The Mclaren, according to him, can match the others in the high speed corners, but struggles with excessive pitch sensitivity in the low speed corners, although the recent upgrades are supposed to have helped. The Sauber looks like a quick but difficult car to drive, in his opinion, looking very unsetled over the bumps, and he is worried that Kobayashi could very easily throw it off the track.
He thinks that, despite the relatively conservative approach, the Toro Rosso looks surprisingly good, whilst the Williams is average overall - not good in any particular area, but equally not the worst in any area either. The Renault looks nervous, and a bit tricky to drive, but Nick thinks it'll be a mid field runner once the upgrades are in place, whilst the Force India looks to have decent handling in the high speed turns, but is (again) a bit skittish, although he thinks that may be down to how Sutil drove the car during the tests.
Finally, he thinks that the VR-01 is terrrible, with no balance at all (saying that it is worse then his 2004 Jordan) whilst the T127 probably has quite a bit more downforce then the VR-01, but poor mechanical grip, lacking traction.

So, that might mke for interesting reading for some - although I think that I'll wait until the free practise sessions are over to make up my mind fully.

Pole: Alonso
Fastest lap: Alonso
First retirement: Alguersuari
ROTR: Renault
IIDOTR: Kobayashi
DBTMOTR: Liuzzi
Minor League Premiership: Virgin (hope not)

1st: Fernando Alonso
2nd: Lewis Hamilton
3rd: Sebastien Vettel
4th: Felipe Massa
5th: Michael Schumacher
6th: Jenson Button
7th: Mark Webber
8th: Nico Rosberg
9th: Kamui Kobayashi
10th: Rubens Barrichello

Pole: Lets go properly outside the box and say Trulli!
Fastest Lap: Fernando Alonso
First Retirement: Chandhok
ROTR: Petrov
IIDOTR: Kobayashi
DBTM: Petrov
MLP: Lotus, Kobayashi

Ben Gilbert's predictions for the 2010 Bahrain Grand Prix:
1. Alonso
2. Vettel
3. Rosberg
4. Webber
5. Schumacher
6. Button
7. Kobayashi
8. Hamilton
9. Massa
10. Barrichello

Pole: Massa
Fastest lap: Kobayashi
First Retirement: Chandhok
ROTR: HRT
IIDOTR: Rosberg
DBTMOTR: de la Rosa

Based off of free practice one

1. Alonso
2. Hamilton
3. Button
4. Sutil
5. Massa
6. Rosberg
7. Kubica
8. Vettel
9. Webber
10. Barrichello

Pole: Alonso
Fastest lap: Rosberg
First Retirement: Di Grassi
ROTR: Schumacher
IIDOTR: Sutil
DBTMOTR: Petrov

CarlosFerreira wrote:

Warren Hughes wrote:

CarlosFerreira wrote:If memory serves, Bleu signed up as "PPPP: Proper Pathetic Predicaments Prediction". Time to sign up for that club?

If my memory serves, I don't think it was Bleu, it might have been MBF. For what it's worth, I got negative points one week as well.

Ah, that's right! It was Many Blue Flags.

The signature says it all. ;3

Klon's predictions
2010 Bahrain Grand Prix:
1. Massa
2. Alonso
3. Hamilton
4. Sutil
5. Button
6. Vettel
7. Webber
8. Hülkenberg
9. Liuzzi
10. Schumacher

Pole: Massa
Fastest lap: Massa
First Retirement: Senna (Pulls into pits after a few laps)
ROTR: Chandhok
IIDOTR: Sutil
DBTMOTR: Rosberg

1. Hamilton
2. Button
3. Schumi
4. Alonso
5. Massa
6. Sutil
7. Vettel
8. The Incredible Hulk
9. Barrichello
10. Webber

Pole: Michael Scumacher
Fastest lap: Rosberg
First Retirement: Chandhok (DNS)
ROTR: The newbies collective
IIDOTR: The Incredible Hulk
DBTMOTR: di Grassi

Okay, two practices have been ran, so we can sort of make comparisons. (It's still very fuzzy and unpredicatable.)

By the way, I will sadly miss qualifying. Too bad, since it promises to be very exciting...

Here we go then:
1st - Jenson Button
2nd - Lewis Hamilton
3rd - Michael Schumacher
4th - Sebastian Vettel
5th - Mark Webber
6th - Fernando Alonso
7th - Nico Rosberg
8th - Felipe Massa
9th - Rubens Barrichello
10th - Kamui Kobayashi

Pole Position: Lewis Hamilton
Fastest Lap: Nico Rosberg
First Retirement: Karun Chandhok (DNS)/Jaime Alguersuari (spin and subsequent crash in one of the new corners)
Reject of the Race: Hispania, for qualifying only with one car and treating the race like a big test session
Infinite Improbability Drive: Robert Kubica, for almost finishing in the points in a car that was expected to be horrible
Deadbeat Team-Mate of the Race: Vitalij Petrov

And for your trouble you get a 10 point penalty for being almost an hour late Waris

Some kid by the name of Sebastien Vettel is on the pole and here are those who predicted correctly:
Klon
Dontirri
Shinji
Rffp
RBJ14
ADx Wales (Since you said A red Bull I'm only gonna give you half points for that )
De Crasheris

Bring on the race

Wizzie wrote:Some kid by the name of Sebastien Vettel is on the pole and here are those who predicted correctly:
Klon
Dontirri
Shinji
Rffp
RBJ14
ADx Wales (Since you said A red Bull I'm only gonna give you half points for that )
De Crasheris

Bring on the race

Well I picked a Red Bull, but just the wrong one.

If I were to make my prediction for the race now, it would be rather different. I feel rejectful for my first attempt.

And for those interested in the DBTMOTR award standings based off Q1:
1. Liuzzi (+7)
=2. Button (+5)
=2. Petrov (+5)
=4. Massa (+4)
=4. Alguersuari (+4)
=6. Hulkenberg (+3)
=6. Di Grassi (+3)
=8. Webber (+2)
=8. Schumacher (+2)
=10. Kobayashi (+1)
=10. Kovaleinen (+1)
=10. Chandok (+1)

Klon wrote:First Retirement: Sutil, Liuzzi, Kubica (start crash)

Hello? HELLO? I mean, none of them retired, but a perfect prediction. I demand at least half a point for that.

Waris wrote:Infinite Improbability Drive: Robert Kubica, for almost finishing in the points in a car that was expected to be horrible
Deadbeat Team-Mate of the Race: Vitalij Petrov

Ta-daah? ^_^
The fact that I predicted this after Friday practice and all my other predictions were horribly off, renders my prediction abilities credibility. IMHO.

Waris wrote:

Waris wrote:Infinite Improbability Drive: Robert Kubica, for almost finishing in the points in a car that was expected to be horrible
Deadbeat Team-Mate of the Race: Vitalij Petrov

Ta-daah? ^_^
The fact that I predicted this after Friday practice and all my other predictions were horribly off, renders my prediction abilities credibility. IMHO.

I still think you just happen like yellow.

Here are the final results and standings for this round:
2010 Bahrain Grand Prix:
1. Alonso
2. Massa
3. Hamilton
4. Vettel
5. Rosberg (How he didn't pass Vettel in the end nobody will ever know)
6. Schumacher
7. Button
8. Webber
9. Liuzzi
10. Barrichello

Pole: Vettel
Fastest lap: Alonso
First Retirement: Chandhok
ROTR: Over-hyping of the 2010 season
IIDOTR: Liuzzi
DBTMOTR: Button*

*Jenson Button isn't actually DBTMOTR. That honour would have fallen on Vitaly Petrov had his retirement not been mechanical related. As it was a mechanial issue that sidelined Petrov Button turned out to be the next dead beat so to speak and therefore he's DBTMOTR

Standings:
1. Thehemogoblin: 18 points ( Your first ever round of predicament predictions and straight to the top you go... nice)
2. Tristan1117: 17 points
=3. MinardiFan95: 16 points
=3. Ross Prawn: 16 points
=3. Sullivangate: 16 points
=3. FloProAct: 16 points
4. Ben Gilbert: 15 points
=5. Enforcer: 14 points
=5. Tealy: 14 points (The 2 championship contenders from last year tied for 5th )
=5. rffp: 14 points
=6. CarlosFerreira: 13 points
=6. RAK: 13 points
=6. Popi: 13 points
=6. Watka: 13 points
=6. Shinji: 13 points
=6. RedBullJack14: 13 points
=6. Adx Wales: 13 points (This includes the 1 point you get for your pole prediction because you were half right)
=6. Valrys: 13 points
=7. DonTirri: 12 points
=7. Kowalski: 12 points
=8. Klon: 11 points (I thought about giving you a point for that epic first DNF prediction but instead you can have the IIPOTR (Infinite Improbability Prediction of the Round) award)
=8. Bleu: 11 points
=8. Warren Hughes: 11 points
=8. De Crasheris: 11 points
=8. MBF: 11 points
=9. Wizzie: 10 points
=9. Phoenix: 10 points
=9. Cynon: 10 points
=9. DJ_Bereta: 10 points
=9. SuperAguri: 10 points
=10. Ratza: 9 points
=10. Thalion: 9 points
=10. Dr Baker: 9 points
=11. Kostas22: 8 points
=11. Teamtipper: 8 points
=11. Captain Hammer: 8 points
=11. P Friesacher: 8 points
=11. Frongors: 8 points
12. Pieman: 7 points
13. The Spanish Inquisition (Aka the Spanish Press): 6 points
=14. Luca Pacchiarini: 1 point (You didn't post anything for a finishing order but I'm giving you a point anyway because you got Fastest Lap right)\
=14. Waris: 1 point (- 10 points for late submission)

As always point out any errors to me and I'll fix them

I don't know how it happened. No clue whatsoever.