Pedro Rodriguez Award - Ricciardo is crowned champion!

James1978 · Post by **James1978** » 30 Jul 2010, 20:20

I'm confused, BOTH Lauda and Scheckter are ineligible for 1975 onwards due to them tying for most wins in 1974? I thought only one driver got taken out of the reckoning per year?

But great thread, can't wait to see what happens when you reach the 80s!

TomWazzleshaw · Post by **TomWazzleshaw** » 30 Jul 2010, 22:37

James1978 wrote:I'm confused, BOTH Lauda and Scheckter are ineligible for 1975 onwards due to them tying for most wins in 1974? I thought only one driver got taken out of the reckoning per year?

But great thread, can't wait to see what happens when you reach the 80s!

Lauda should be still in 1975 alteast because of countback in 1974 shouldn't he?

Post by **tommykl** » 31 Jul 2010, 06:54

Wizzie wrote:
James1978 wrote:I'm confused, BOTH Lauda and Scheckter are ineligible for 1975 onwards due to them tying for most wins in 1974? I thought only one driver got taken out of the reckoning per year?

But great thread, can't wait to see what happens when you reach the 80s!

Lauda should be still in 1975 alteast because of countback in 1974 shouldn't he?

Crap...

I don't know what happened yesterday...So I guess I'll have to put Reutemann back in for 1976...

Post by **tommykl** » 01 Aug 2010, 15:12

1977

1. Mario Andretti - 5 wins, 2 3rds
2. Carlos Reutemann - 3 wins, 4 2nds, 3 3rds
3. Patrick Depailler - 2 wins, 2 2nds
4. Gunnar Nilsson - 2 wins, 1 2nd, 1 3rd
5. Jacques Laffite - 2 wins, 1 3rd
6. Alan Jones - 1 win, 1 2nd, 3 3rds
7. Hans Joachim Stuck - 1 win, 1 2nd, 1 3rd
8. Carlos Pace - 1 win
9. Jochen Mass - 5 2nds, 2 3rds
10. Vittorio Brambilla - 1 2nd, 1 3rd
11. John Watson - 1 2nd, 1 3rd
12. Patrick Tambay - 1 2nd
13. Jean-Pierre Jarier - 1 3rd
14. Renzo Zorzi - 1 3rd

Tiebreakers
10th-11th: Points (Brambilla: 20 - Watson: 13)
13th-14th: Points (Jarier: 6 - Zorzi: 4)

Notes
First Win for Hans Joachim Stuck.
Unrejectification and First Podium for Renzo Zorzi.
First points and Unrejectification for Rupert Keegan.
First points and Unrejectification for Patrick Neve.
First points and Unrejectification for Ingo Hoffman.
First points and Unrejectification for Hans Binder.
First points for Vern Schuppan.
First points for Brett Lunger.
First points for Alex Ribeiro.
First points for Danny Ongais.
First points for Brian Henton.

Race Winners
Argentina - Carlos Pace
Brazil - Carlos Reutemann
South Africa - Patrick Depailler
United States West - Mario Andretti
Spain - Mario Andretti
Monaco - Carlos Reutemann
Belgium - Gunnar Nilsson
Sweden - Jacques Laffite
France - Mario Andretti
Great Britain - Gunnar Nilsson
Germany - Hans Joachim Stuck
Austria - Alan Jones
Netherlands - Jacques Laffite
Italy - Mario Andretti
United States East - Mario Andretti
Canada - Patrick Depailler
Japan - Carlos Reutemann

Bleu · Post by **Bleu** » 01 Aug 2010, 16:39

Great, Lotuses out for 1978.

Post by **tommykl** » 01 Aug 2010, 17:36

Bleu wrote:Great, Lotuses out for 1978.

Yep, look forward to doing this tomorrow!

Post by **tommykl** » 02 Aug 2010, 08:14

1978

1. Carlos Reutemann - 5 wins, 2 2nds, 2 3rds
2. Patrick Depailler - 4 wins, 1 2nd, 1 3rd
3. John Watson - 3 wins, 4 2nds
4. Jacques Laffite - 3 wins, 5 3rds
5. Gilles Villeneuve - 1 win, 3 2nds
6. Riccardo Patrese - 1 win, 1 3rd
7. Didier Pironi - 2 2nds, 1 3rd
8. Alan Jones - 2 2nds, 1 3rd
9. Patrick Tambay - 2 2nds
10. Jochen Mass - 1 3rd
11. Vittorio Brambilla - 1 3rd
12. Hector Rebaque - 1 3rd
13. Jean-Pierre Jabouille - 1 3rd

Tiebreakers
7th-8th: Points (Pironi: 23 - Jones: 21)
10th-13th: Points (Mass: 8 - Brambilla: 7 - Rebaque: 5 - Jabouille: 4)

Notes
First podium for Hector Rebaque.
Unrejectification for Brett Lunger.

Race Winners
Argentina - Patrick Depailler
Brazil - Carlos Reutemann
South Africa - Patrick Depailler
United States West - Carlos Reutemann
Monaco - Patrick Depailler
Belgium - Carlos Reutemann
Spain - Jacques Laffite
Sweden - Riccardo Patrese
France - John Watson
Great Britain - Carlos Reutemann
Germany - Jacques Laffite
Austria - Patrick Depailler
Netherlands - John Watson
Italy - John Watson
United States East - Carlos Reutemann
Canada - Gilles Villeneuve

James1978 · Post by **James1978** » 02 Aug 2010, 20:03

One this gets to about the mid-80s, I think I'm going to try to predict all the champions from that point to date - I don't really know enough about the sport from earlier, and I know the one year which I think is REALLY hard to predict will be 1982 because of how open it was. Most of the main contenders that year will still be eligible too I believe (should only be Lauda out of it IIRC).

Post by **tommykl** » 03 Aug 2010, 11:39

1979

1. Gilles Villeneuve - 4 wins, 3 2nds
2. Alan Jones - 4 wins, 1 2nd, 1 3rd
3. Jacques Laffite - 3 wins, 2 2nds, 1 3rd
4. Patrick Depailler - 1 win, 2 2nds, 2 3rds
5. John Watson - 1 win, 1 2nd, 2 3rds
6. Rene Arnoux - 1 win, 1 2nd, 1 3rd
7. Jean-Pierre Jabouille - 1 win
8. Jean-Pierre Jarier - 4 2nds
9. Didier Pironi - 1 2nd, 4 3rds
10. Nelson Piquet - 2 3rds
11. Jochen Mass - 1 3rd
12. Riccardo Patrese - 1 3rd

Tiebreakers
11th-12th: Points (Mass: 16 - Patrese: 6)

Notes
First point for Jan Lammers.

Race Winners
Argentina - Jacques Laffite
Brazil - Jacques Laffite
South Africa - Gilles Villeneuve
United States West - Gilles Villeneuve
Spain - Patrick Depailler
Belgium - Jacques Laffite
Monaco - John Watson
France - Jean-Pierre Jabouille
Great Britain - René Arnoux
Germany - Alan Jones
Austria - Alan Jones
Netherlands - Alan Jones
Italy - Gilles Villeneuve
Canada - Alan Jones
United States East - Gilles Villeneuve

Waris · Post by **Waris** » 03 Aug 2010, 13:40

tommykl wrote:Notes
First point for Jan Lammers.

But he doesn't appear in the standings?? :?:

dr-baker · Post by **dr-baker** » 03 Aug 2010, 13:46

Waris wrote:
tommykl wrote:Notes
First point for Jan Lammers.

But he doesn't appear in the standings??

I believe the standings show medal/podium positions only and Lammers would have scored points, not podiums...

Post by **tommykl** » 03 Aug 2010, 13:53

Beat me to it.

Waris · Post by **Waris** » 03 Aug 2010, 14:06

dr-baker wrote:
Waris wrote:
tommykl wrote:Notes
First point for Jan Lammers.

But he doesn't appear in the standings??

I believe the standings show medal/podium positions only and Lammers would have scored points, not podiums...

Oh, of course. Sorry, I read "1 point" instead of the "1 3rd" in the last line.

Post by **tommykl** » 04 Aug 2010, 16:38

1980

1. Alan Jones - 5 wins, 4 2nds, 1 3rd
2. Nelson Piquet - 3 wins, 3 2nds, 1 3rd
3. Jacques Laffite - 2 wins, 1 2nd, 3 3rds
4. Rene Arnoux - 2 wins, 1 2nd, 1 3rd
5. Didier Pironi - 1 win, 3 2nds, 1 3rd
6. Jean-Pierre Jabouille - 1 win
7. Elio de Angelis - 1 2nd, 2 3rds
8. Riccardo Patrese - 1 2nd
9. John Watson - 2 3rds
10. Jochen Mass - 1 3rd
11. Keke Rosberg - 1 3rd
12. Derek Daly - 1 3rd

Tiebreakers
10th-12th: Points (Mass: 10 - Rosberg, Daly: 9)
11th-12th: Countback (Rosberg: 1 4th, 1 5th - Daly: 1 4th, 2 5ths)

Notes
First podium for Derek Daly.

Race Winners
Argentina - Alan Jones
Brazil - René Arnoux
South Africa - René Arnoux
United States West - Nelson Piquet
Belgium - Didier Pironi
Monaco - Jacques Laffite
France - Alan Jones
Great Britain - Alan Jones
Germany - Jacques Laffite
Austria - Jean-Pierre Jabouille
Netherlands - Nelson Piquet
Italy - Nelson Piquet
Canada - Alan Jones
United States East - Alan Jones

Post by **tommykl** » 05 Aug 2010, 11:46

1981

1. Jacques Laffite - 5 wins, 1 2nd, 1 3rd
2. Alain Prost - 4 wins, 2 2nds
3. Nelson Piquet - 4 wins, 1 2nd, 2 3rds
4. John Watson - 1 win, 3 2nds
5. Riccardo Patrese - 1 win, 1 2nd
6. Elio de angelis - 1 2nd, 3 3rds
7. Eddie Cheever - 1 2nd, 2 3rds
8. Rene Arnoux - 1 2nd, 1 3rd
9. Didier Pironi - 1 2nd, 1 3rd
10. Nigel Mansell - 1 2nd, 1 3rd
11. Bruno Giacomelli - 1 2nd, 1 3rd
12. Marc Surer - 1 2nd
13. Hector Rebaque - 2 3rds
14. Patrick Tambay - 1 3rd

Tiebreakers
8th-11th: Points (Arnoux: 19 - Pironi: 16 - Mansell: 13 - Giacomelli: 12)

Notes
First points for Siegfried Stohr.
Second occasion where a driver doesn't win a championship which he wins in real life and isn't eliminated from, after 1951.

Race Winners
United States West - Nelson Piquet
Brazil - Riccardo Patrese
Argentina - Nelson Piquet
San Marino - Nelson Piquet
Belgium - Jacques Laffite
Monaco - Jacques Laffite
Spain- Jacques Laffite
France - Alain Prost
Great Britain - John Watson
Germany - Nelson Piquet
Austria - Jacques Laffite
Netherlands - Alain Prost
Italy - Alain Prost
Canada - Jacques Laffite
Las Vegas - Alain Prost

James1978 · Post by **James1978** » 05 Aug 2010, 12:01

Now that I did NOT expect - I know Laffite won 1981 under Bleu's alternative system, but thought Piquet would have got this one on wins!

1982 is anyone's I have to say. Only Lauda of the regular contenders that year is eliminated - Laffite was nowhere in reality, Jones had retired, Villeneuve was killed early in the year, Andretti/Reutemann only took part in a small amount of races......

My guess for 1982 champion is John Watson!

Post by **tommykl** » 05 Aug 2010, 12:30

James1978, this is not your day.
1982

1. Didier Pironi - 3 wins, 1 2nd, 2 3rds
2. Keke Rosberg - 2 wins, 2 2nds, 3 3rds
3. John Watson - 2 wins, 2 2nds, 2 3 rds
4. Alain Prost - 2 wins, 2 2nds
5. Rene Arnoux - 2 wins, 2 2nds
6. Patrick Tambay - 1 win, 2 2nds, 1 3rd
7. Riccardo Patrese - 1 win, 2 2nds
8. Michele Alboreto - 1 win, 1 2nd, 1 3rd
9. Nelson Piquet - 1 win, 1 2nd, 1 3rd
10. Elio de Angelis - 1 win, 1 3rd
11. Eddie Cheever - 1 2nd, 2 3rds
12. Nigel Mansell - 1 3rd
13. Andrea de Cesaris - 1 3rd
14. Jean-Pierre Jarier - 1 3rd

Tiebreakers
4th-5th: Points (Prost: 36 - Arnoux: 30)
8th-9th: Points (Alboreto: 34 - Piquet: 21)
12th-14th: Points: (Mansell: 9 - de Cesaris: 5 - Jarier: 4)

Notes
Unrejectification for Chico Serra.

Race Winners
South Africa - Alain Prost
Brazil - Alain Prost
United States West - Keke Rosberg
San Marino - Didier Pironi
Belgium - John Watson
Monaco - Riccardo Patrese
Detroit - John Watson
Canada - Nelson Piquet
Netherlands - Didier Pironi
Great Britain - Didier Pironi
France - René Arnoux
Germany - Patrick Tambay
Austria - Elio de Angelis
Switzerland - Keke Rosberg
Italy - René Arnoux
Las Vegas - Michele Alboreto

Phoenix · Post by **Phoenix** » 05 Aug 2010, 15:14

kostas22 wrote:
tommykl wrote:1971
1. Ronnie Peterson - 4 wins, 1 2nd, 2 3rds

I approve of this result

I disapprove...the car he was driving. Really, drag that thing to 2nd in the championship (counting Stewart) was an achievement.

James1978 · Post by **James1978** » 05 Aug 2010, 17:09

I forgot Pironi was second in the 1982 British GP behind Lauda, and I almost completely discounted him since he didn't complete the year! Oh well, that makes 1983 more open since Pironi didn't compete in any further seasons!

Right educated guesses from 1983 to the present day!

1983: Prost (I believe he scored more wins than Piquet and there are no front-runners ineligible that year!)
1984: A tough one with Prost and Lauda out, it was very open for best of the rest behind McLaren. I'll say Alboreto since I think Piquet only wins one extra race to reality (Austria).
1985: Rosberg (Prost out, Alboreto out - Rosberg didn't finish that often but it was almost always a podium for him when he did)
1986: Mansell
1987: Piquet
1988: Senna
1989: Patrese
1990: Berger
1991: Alesi (all significant competition ineligible)
1992: M Schumacher
1993: Hill
1994: Hakkinen, almost by elimination
1995: Coulthard (I think Herbert scores more points but less wins)
1996: Villeneuve
1997: Frentzen
1998: Irvine
1999: Hmm - both McLarens out, only part-time Salo eligible for Ferrari and no Frentzen - must be Ralf Schumacher next in the pecking order then!
2000: Barrichello
2001: Montoya
2002: Raikkonen
2003: Alonso
2004: Button
2005: Fisichella (must be with Alonso, both McLarens and Schumacher out)
2006: Massa
2007: Hamilton
2008: Kubica
2009: Vettel
2010: Webber (he might even have it wrapped up by now!)

Post by **tommykl** » 06 Aug 2010, 06:13

1983

1. Alain Prost - 4 wins, 2 2nds, 1 3rd
2. Nelson Piquet - 3 wins, 3 2nds, 2 3rds
3. Rene Arnoux - 3 wins, 3 2nds, 1 3rd
4. Patrick Tambay - 1 win, 3 2nds, 2 3rds
5. Keke Rosberg - 1 win, 1 2nd
6. John Watson - 1 win, 2 3rds
7. Riccardo Patrese - 1 win, 1 3rd
8. Michele Alboreto - 1 win
9. Andrea de Cesaris - 2 2nds
10. Eddie Cheever - 1 2nd, 3 3rds
11. Marc Surer - 2 3rds
12. Nigel Mansell - 1 3rd

Notes
Unrejectification for Johnny Cecotto.
Unrejectification for Danny Sullivan.
Unrejectification for Raul Boesel.

Race Winners
Brazil - Nelson Piquet
United States West - John Watson
France - Alain Prost
San Marino - Patrick Tambay
Monaco - Keke Rosberg
Belgium - Alain Prost
Detroit - Michele Alboreto
Canada - René Arnoux
Great Britain - Alain Prost
Germany - René Arnoux
Austria - Alain Prost
Netherlands - René Arnoux
Italy - Nelson Piquet
Europe - Nelson Piquet
South Africa - Riccardo Patrese

Post by **tommykl** » 14 Aug 2010, 15:40

1984

1. Michele Alboreto - 3 wins, 2 2nds
2. Derek Warwick - 3 wins, 1 2nd, 1 3rd
3. Nelson Piquet - 3 wins, 1 2nd
4. Keke Rosberg - 2 wins, 0.5 3rds
5. Ayrton Senna - 1.5 wins, 1 2nd
6. Nigel Mansell - 1 win, 2 2nds
7. Rene Arnoux - 1 win, 1.5 2nds, 4 3rds
8. Patrick Tambay - 1 win, 1 3rd
9. Elio de Angelis - 5 2nds, 3 3rds
10. Riccardo Patrese - 2 2nds
11. Teo Fabi - 3 3rds
12. Andrea de Cesaris - 1 3rd
13. Eddie Cheever - 1 3rd
14. Stefan Johansson - 1 3rd

Tiebreakers
12th-14th: Points (de Cesaris: 10 - Cheever: 5 - Johansson: 4)

Notes
First win for Derek Warwick.
Unrejectification for Markus Winkelhock.
Unrejectification for Piercarlo Ghinzani.
First points for Corrado Fabi.
First points for Francois Hesnault.
Elio de Angelis wins the overall championship, despite not winning a single race!
2 wins and 2 2nds in the last 5 races elevated Alboreto to 1st, with Derek Warwick having led the Championship from South Africa into the last race. Horrible reliability hampered his title bid, eventually losing him the title.

Race Winners
Brazil - Keke Rosberg
South Africa - Derek Warwick
Belgium - Michele Alboreto
San Marino - René Arnoux
France - Patrick Tambay
Monaco - Ayrton Senna
Canada - Nelson Piquet
Detroit - Nelson Piquet
Dallas - Keke Rosberg
Great Britain - Derek Warwick
Germany - Derek Warwick
Austria - Nelson Piquet
Netherlands - Nigel Mansell
Italy - Michele Alboreto
Europe - Michele Alboreto
Portugal - Ayrton Senna

Post by **tommykl** » 18 Aug 2010, 10:17

1985

1. Ayrton Senna - 4 wins, 2 2nds
2. Elio de Angelis - 3 wins, 1 2nd, 3 3rds
3. Nelson Piquet - 3 wins
4. Keke Rosberg - 2 wins, 3 2nds, 2 3rds
5. Nigel Mansell - 2 wins, 2 2nds, 1 3rd
6. Stefan Johansson - 1 win, 2 2nds, 2 3rds
7. Thierry Boutsen - 1 win, 1 2nd
8. Patrick Tambay - 1 2nd, 2 3rds
9. Derek Warwick - 1 2nd, 1 3rd
10. Philippe Streiff - 1 2nd
11. Andrea de Cesaris - 1 2nd
12. Rene Arnoux - 1 2nd
13. Marc Surer - 2 3rds
14. Gerhard Berger - 1 3rd
15. Stefan Bellof - 1 3rd
16. Ivan Capelli - 1 3rd

Tiebreakers
10th-12th: Countback (Streiff: 2 7ths - de Cesaris: 1 9th - Arnoux: nothing)
14th-16th: Points (Berger: 13 - Bellof: 11 - Capelli: 4)

Notes
First win for Stefan Johansson.
First podium for Stefan Bellof.
First point for Huub Rothengatter.

Race Winners
Brazil - Elio de Angelis
Portugal - Ayton Senna
San Marino - Elio de Angelis
Monaco - Elio de Angelis
Canada - Stefan Johansson
Detroit - Keke Rosberg
France - Nelson Piquet
Great Britain - Nelson Piquet
Germany - Thierry Boutsen
Austria - Ayrton Senna
Netherlands - Ayrton Senna
Italy - Nelson Piquet
Belgium - Ayrton Senna
Europe - Nigel Mansell
South Africa - Nigel Mansell
Australia - Keke Rosberg

James1978 · Post by **James1978** » 18 Aug 2010, 11:30

Wow, Senna champion as early as 1985, that's insane!! (That puts all my predictions completely out due to the knock-on effect), 1988 will probably now be Berger or Boutsen, and 1990 will be Boutsen if he doesn't win 1988 or Nannini!!

Plus strangely a real-life champion will not win at all under this system (Keke Rosberg) - he's only got 1986 left before he retires and there's no way on earth he'll beat both Williams drivers!

Post by **tommykl** » 18 Aug 2010, 12:05

You might want to do your predictions again...

James1978 · Post by **James1978** » 18 Aug 2010, 19:50

Same (from 1986 onwards) as the last one I did but with Berger for 1988 and Boutsen for 1990 then.......(other years unchanged).

I think Mansell should benefit most from Senna's absence in 1986 anyway, he'll get an extra win at Jerez and Detroit possibly too (as Laffite, Prost and Alboreto all out too).

Bleu · Post by **Bleu** » 19 Aug 2010, 11:29

Mansell/Piquet duo will certainly take titles in next two years. I think Berger will be it in 1988. 1989 then - I think Patrese. 1990 then for Boutsen, 1991 for Alesi and from then I agree with James1978.

Post by **tommykl** » 23 Aug 2010, 08:22

1986

1. Nigel Mansell - 7 wins, 4 2nds, 1 3rd
2. Nelson Piquet - 6 wins, 5 2nds
3. Stefan Johansson - 1 win, 2 2nds, 4 3rds
4. Keke Rosberg - 1 win, 1 2nd, 2 3rds
5. Gerhard Berger - 1 win, 1 2nd
6. Rene Arnoux - 1 2nd, 3 3rds
7. Riccardo Patrese - 1 2nd
8. Patrick Tambay - 1 2nd
9. Martin Brundle - 2 3rds
10. Teo Fabi - 2 3rds
11. Johnny Dumfries - 1 3rd
12. Christian Danner - 1 3rd

Tiebreakers
7th-8th: Points (Patrese: 13 - Tambay: 9)
9th-10th: Points (Brundle: 15 - Fabi: 10)
11th-12th: Points (Dumfries: 11 - Danner: 4)

Notes
First podium for Johnny Dumfries.
First podium for Christian Danner.
Unrejectification for Huub Rothengatter.

Race Winners
Brazil - Nelson Piquet
Spain - Nigel Mansell
San Marino - Nelson Piquet
Monaco - Keke Rosberg
Belgium - Nigel Mansell
Canada - Nigel Mansell
Detroit - Nigel Mansell
France - Nigel Mansell
Great Britain - Nigel Mansell
Germany - Nelson Piquet
Hungary - Nelson Piquet
Austria - Stefan Johansson
Italy - Nelson Piquet
Portugal - Nigel Mansell
Mexico - Gerhard Berger
Australia - Nelson Piquet

James1978 · Post by **James1978** » 23 Aug 2010, 11:58

Wow, Piquet would have won 1986 if Senna had still been eligible then?

He must walk 1987 surely, then 1988-91 will be VERY interesting!

Post by **tommykl** » 26 Aug 2010, 17:26

1987

1. Nelson Piquet - 10 wins, 2 2nds
2. Gerhard Berger - 3 wins, 3 2nds, 1 3rd
3. Stefan Johansson - 3 wins, 3 2nds
4. Thierry Boutsen - 2 2nds, 3 3rds
5. Teo Fabi - 2 2nds, 1 3rd
6. Satoru Nakajima - 1 2nd, 1 3rd
7. Riccardo Patrese - 1 2nd, 1 3rd
8. Martin Brundle - 1 2nd
9. Andrea de Cesaris - 1 2nd
10. Eddie Cheever - 3 3rds
11. Jonathan Palmer - 2 3rds
12. Philippe Streiff - 2 3rds
13. Philippe Alliot - 1 3rd
14. Derek Warwick - 1 3rd

Tiebreakers
6th-7th: Points (Nakajima: 20 - Patrese: 12)
8th-9th: Points (Brundle: 8 - de Cesaris: 6)
11th-12th: Points (Palmer: 20 - Streiff: 13)
13th-14th: Points (Alliot: 8 - Warwick: 7)

Notes
First podium for Satoru Nakajima.
First podium for Philippe Alliot.
First podium for Jonathan Palmer.
Unrejectification and first points for Yannick Dalmas.
First point for Pascal Fabre.
Piquet broke Ascari's world record, winning 8 races in a row, from Monaco to Italy.
I counted Dalmas's points, just for the lulz.

Race Winners
Brazil - Nelson Piquet
San Marino - Stefan Johansson
Belgium - Stefan Johansson
Monaco - Nelson Piquet
Detroit - Nelson Piquet
France - Nelson Piquet
Great Britain - Nelson Piquet
germany - Nelson Piquet
Hungary - Nelson Piquet
Austria - Nelson Piquet
Italy - Nelson Piquet
Portugal - Gerhard Berger
Spain - Stefan Johansson
Mexico - Nelson Piquet
Japan - Gerhard Berger
Australia - Gerhard Berger

James1978 · Post by **James1978** » 26 Aug 2010, 22:15

Wish Piquet had actually won 1981. Then we'd have had Fabi and Nakajima race winners by now!

Post by **tommykl** » 31 Aug 2010, 07:06

1988

1. Gerhard Berger - 6 wins, 3 2nds, 1 3rd
2. Thierry Boutsen - 5 wins, 2 2nds, 1 3rd
3. Ivan Capelli - 2 wins, 2 2nds, 1 3rd
4. Alessandro Nannini - 2 wins, 1 2nd, 2 3rds
5. Riccardo Patrese - 1 win, 1 2nd
6. Derek Warwick - 4 2nds, 3 3rds
7. Eddie Cheever - 1 2nd, 2 3rds
8. Mauricio Gugelmin - 1 2nd, 1 3rd
9. Andrea de Cesaris - 1 2nd
10. Jonathan Palmer - 3 3rds
11. Satoru Nakajima - 2 3rds

Notes
First win for Ivan Capelli.
Had I not counted Dalmas' points in 1987 (where he was originally not eligible), he would have unrejectified himself, with 2 5ths and 2 6ths.

Race Winners
Brazil - Gerhard Berger
San Marino - Thierry Boutsen
Monaco - Gerhard Berger
Mexico - Gerhard Berger
Canada - Thierry Boutsen
Detroit - Thierry Boutsen
France - Gerhard Berger
Great Britain - Alessandro Nannini
Germany - Gerhard Berger
Hungary - Thierry Boutsen
Belgium - Ivan Capelli
Italy - Gerhard Berger
Portugal - Ivan Capelli
Spain - Alessandro Nannini
Japan - Thierry Boutsen
Australia - Riccardo Patrese

thehemogoblin · Post by **thehemogoblin** » 31 Aug 2010, 07:23

tommykl wrote:1988
1. Gerhard Berger - 6 wins, 3 2nds, 1 3rd
2. Thierry Boutsen - 5 wins, 2 2nds, 1 3rd
3. Ivan Capelli - 2 wins, 2 2nds, 1 3rd
4. Alessandro Nannini - 2 wins, 1 2nd, 2 3rds
5. Riccardo Patrese - 1 win, 1 2nd
6. Derek Warwick - 4 2nds, 3 3rds
7. Eddie Cheever - 1 2nd, 2 3rds
8. Mauricio Gugelmin - 1 2nd, 1 3rd
9. Andrea de Cesaris - 1 2nd
10. Jonathan Palmer - 3 3rds
11. Satoru Nakajima - 2 3rds

Notes
First win for Ivan Capelli.
Had I not counted Dalmas' points in 1987 (where he was originally not eligible), he would have unrejectified himself, with 2 5ths and 2 6ths.

If you look at the unrejectification criteria, it doesn't say points, it says positions. He's unrejectified in this scenario.

Post by **tommykl** » 31 Aug 2010, 07:32

I know, but there has always been doubt over wether points-scorers that were uneligible would have their positions counted.
Besides, the criteria was originally less than 3 points with the 10/9-6-4-3-2-1 system

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thehemogoblin · Post by **thehemogoblin** » 31 Aug 2010, 07:42

tommykl wrote:I know, but there has always been doubt over wether points-scorers that were uneligible would have their positions counted.
Besides, the criteria was originally less than 3 points with the 10/9-6-4-3-2-1 system .

http://f1rejects.com/drivers/index.html wrote:All a former Formula One driver needs to do to escape eligibility for this site is to have been successful in F1. Specifically, they must have scored ...

• a 4th, 3rd, 2nd or 1st place, or
• a 5th place, plus any other top-6 result, or
• three or more 6th places

How hard can that be? Very!

It looks to be iron-clad to me.

Post by **tommykl** » 31 Aug 2010, 08:07

They changed it that way when the points system changed in 2003. Anyway, it means the same thing. Remember the whole Osella thing. If Gartner's points scored while uneligible counted they wouldn't be rejects, as their points tally would reach 7 instead of 5...

James1978 · Post by **James1978** » 31 Aug 2010, 11:57

So even if Benetton hadn't been DQ'd in Belgium 1988, Boutsen still would have lost by having one less 2nd place?

Post by **tommykl** » 31 Aug 2010, 14:11

James1978 wrote:So even if Benetton hadn't been DQ'd in Belgium 1988, Boutsen still would have lost by having one less 2nd place?

Yep.

Ferrim · Post by **Ferrim** » 01 Sep 2010, 20:34

Proof that in the early days of the site, it was like tommykl says:

http://web.archive.org/web/200104170700 ... index.html

Post by **tommykl** » 11 Sep 2010, 05:48

1989

1. Thierry Boutsen - 5 wins, 1 2nd, 1 3rd
2. Riccardo Patrese - 4 wins, 4 2nds, 1 3rd
3. Alessandro Nannini - 3 wins, 4 2nds
4. Jean Alesi - 1 win, 1 2nd, 1 3rd
5. Stefan Johansson - 1 win, 1 3rd
6. Mauricio Gugelmin - 1 win
7. Stefano Modena - 1 win
8. Eddie Cheever - 2 2nds
9. Derek Warwick - 1 2nd, 3 3rds
10. Pierluigi Martini - 1 2nd, 1 3rd
11. Alex Caffi - 1 2nd, 1 3rd
12. Johnny Herbert - 1 2nd
13. Andrea de Cesaris - 2 3rds
14. Martin Brundle - 1 3rd
15. Gabriele Tarquini - 1 3rd
16. Christian Danner - 1 3rd
17. Luis Perez-Sala - 1 3rd
18. Philippe Alliot - 1 3rd

Tiebreakers
6th-7th: Points (Gugelmin: 13 - Modena: 9)
10th-11th: Points (Martini: 16 - Caffi: 14)
14th-18th: Points (Brundle: 15 - Tarquini: 6 - Danner, Perez-Sala: 5 - Alliot: 4)
16th-17th: Countback (Danner: 1 6th, 1 8th - Perez-Sala: 1 6th, 1 9th)

Notes
First win for Mauricio Gugelmin.
First win for Stefano Modena.
First podium for Pierluigi Martini.
First podium and unrejectification for Gabriele Tarquini.
First podium and unrejectification for Luis Perez-Sala.
Unrejectification for Olivier Grouillard.

Race Winners
Brazil - Mauricio Gugelmin
San Marino - Alessandro Nannini
Monaco - Stefano Modena
Mexico - Riccardo Patrese
United States - Riccardo Patrese
Canada - Thierry Boutsen
France - Riccardo Patrese
Great Britain - Alessandro Nannini
Germany - Riccardo Patrese
Hungary - Thierry Boutsen
Belgium - Thierry Boutsen
Italy - Thierry Boutsen
Portugal - Stefan Johansson
Spain - Jean Alesi
Japan - Alessandro Nannini
Australia - Thierry Boutsen

James1978 · Post by **James1978** » 11 Sep 2010, 09:04

Boutsen, what the......

Actually I'm pleased becuase I always felt a bit sorry for him when he got shunted out of Williams to make way for Mansell just as they were about to be the fastest team, and had to go to Ligier when they were more or less a reject team!

If Patrese doesn't win 1990 (Nannini may beat him as Benetton were ahead of Williams in the constructors championship that year, though missing the last 2 races might scupper his chances) then it'll have a big knock-on effect through the 90s, as he'll have to wait until 91, which means Alesi probably waits until 94 or 95, Hakkinine or Coulthard until 98 etc etc!

Loving the podiums for Tarquini, Danner, Sala etc.