2010 Hungarian Grand Prix - Discussion

Post by **mario** » 31 Jul 2010, 13:45

redbulljack14 wrote:BUTTON JENSON GOES OUTTA!!! Why couldn't it have been Lewis instead?

Because Button went slightly too quickly into Turn 2 (possibly because he was briefly distracted by one of the Toro Rosso cars on the inside of the corner, touring back slowly to the pits), and lost some time, whilst Hamilton had a much cleaner lap.
And to be fair to him, getting 5th place was actually a fairly good result in the end - Mclaren held their nerve, and did not waste a fresh set of tyres in Q2 (whereas all those behind him did), so Hamilton was in a better position for Q3, and got about the most he could have out of the car in the circumstances.

CarlosFerreira wrote:
Row Man Gross-Gene wrote:Can someone tell me what the deal is with the flexible front wings? Is it new this week? It seems Red Bull and Ferrari have them.

It's been going on since Silverstone or so. Apparently, Red Bull and Red Horse have found a way to have the front wings flex mid-corner, increasing downforce. McLaren seems to be at a loss as to how they do it, and standard FIA tests have cleared the wings.

Basically, due to the interaction between the air beneath the wing and the ground, it is advantageous to run your wing as close to the ground as possible, because you gain a large amount of downforce (which is why the wings of old had those step planes in the centre, which let that part of the wing run closer to the ground). What is quite remarkable is the extent to which the Red Bull and Ferrari front wings bend under load - both wings were flexing so much in the replays that they were actually scraping the ground in some turns, whilst the Mclaren wing was still fairly high off the ground. I believe that Mclaren have asked the FIA to look more closely at the wings, because there is a regulation about how far the wing must be above the step plane - and both the Red Bull and Ferrari wings would be well below that level under load.

Finally, I finish with a quote from Monty Python [And now for something entirely different:]

watka · Post by **watka** » 31 Jul 2010, 14:33

I think Hamilton, Petrov, Hulkenberg, and most of all Rosberg were the most impressive drivers in that qualifying session. The Mercedes is clearly not good enough for 6th on the grid, but there it is!

eytl · Post by **eytl** » 31 Jul 2010, 14:44

watka wrote:I think Hamilton, Petrov, Hulkenberg, and most of all Rosberg were the most impressive drivers in that qualifying session. The Mercedes is clearly not good enough for 6th on the grid, but there it is!

I'd send a shout-out to de la Rosa as well. His middle sector on his final Q2 lap was stunning and that was what knocked Button out. As it wasn't being shown on TV live here in Oz, I was watching it on live timing and couldn't believe the time when it came up. It was as good as anyone else in the top 10 except for the Red Bulls.

watka · Post by **watka** » 31 Jul 2010, 14:47

eytl wrote:
watka wrote:I think Hamilton, Petrov, Hulkenberg, and most of all Rosberg were the most impressive drivers in that qualifying session. The Mercedes is clearly not good enough for 6th on the grid, but there it is!

I'd send a shout-out to de la Rosa as well. His middle sector on his final Q2 lap was stunning and that was what knocked Button out. As it wasn't being shown on TV live here in Oz, I was watching it on live timing and couldn't believe the time when it came up. It was as good as anyone else in the top 10 except for the Red Bulls.

Somehow missed him out! I predicted he'd do well this weekend!

FullMetalJack · Post by **FullMetalJack** » 31 Jul 2010, 15:07

De La Rosa, Hulkenburg and Petrov all deserve a lot of credit for their qualifying performance. Well done to Petrov for outqualifying Kubica, a top 5 finish is certainly not out of reach. Rosberg also did well, that Merc has no right to be 6th on the grid.

dr-baker · Post by **dr-baker** » 31 Jul 2010, 15:37

Grid penalty for Kamui...

coops · Post by **coops** » 31 Jul 2010, 16:00

dr-baker wrote:Grid penalty for Kamui...

Bah! Where are the voices who shout conspiracy now??!!

Shizuka · Post by **Shizuka** » 31 Jul 2010, 16:47

dr-baker wrote:Grid penalty for Kamui...

Ah damnit. He got held up by... Yamamoto, I guess? It was a HRT for sure. Now he's thrown back into the pack of newcomers. Now if only he could manage to scrap points tomorrow.

dr-baker · Post by **dr-baker** » 31 Jul 2010, 17:04

http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/85756 - reprimands for not getting to the pits fast enough...

kowalski · Post by **kowalski** » 31 Jul 2010, 17:28

Cars must now get back to the pits in a decent time after the quali run:

The maximum time in Hungary was one minute and 26 seconds.

- That is faster than the HRT cars can actual go!!

erm, isn't that a little unfair? I suppose the worst that can happen is they will be given a grid penalty... :roll:

shinji · Post by **shinji** » 31 Jul 2010, 17:30

dr-baker wrote:http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/85756 - reprimands for not getting to the pits fast enough...

1:26 would be tough enough for Sakon to be fair.

dr-baker · Post by **dr-baker** » 31 Jul 2010, 18:24

shinji wrote:
dr-baker wrote:http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/85756 - reprimands for not getting to the pits fast enough...

1:26 would be tough enough for Sakon to be fair.

For reference, Q1 times:

18. Kobayashi Sauber-Ferrari 1:22.222
19. Glock Virgin-Cosworth 1:24.050
20. Kovalainen Lotus-Cosworth 1:24.120
21. Trulli Lotus-Cosworth 1:24.199
22. di Grassi Virgin-Cosworth 1:25.118
23. Senna HRT-Cosworth 1:26.391
24. Yamamoto HRT-Cosworth 1:26.453

coops · Post by **coops** » 31 Jul 2010, 18:27

kowalski wrote:Cars must now get back to the pits in a decent time after the quali run:

The maximum time in Hungary was one minute and 26 seconds.

- That is faster than the HRT cars can actual go!!

erm, isn't that a little unfair? I suppose the worst that can happen is they will be given a grid penalty... :roll:

They'll have to get a Rugby ref in to sort that out and move the HRTs further back ten yards at a time!

Post by **mario** » 31 Jul 2010, 19:42

eytl wrote:
watka wrote:I think Hamilton, Petrov, Hulkenberg, and most of all Rosberg were the most impressive drivers in that qualifying session. The Mercedes is clearly not good enough for 6th on the grid, but there it is!

I'd send a shout-out to de la Rosa as well. His middle sector on his final Q2 lap was stunning and that was what knocked Button out. As it wasn't being shown on TV live here in Oz, I was watching it on live timing and couldn't believe the time when it came up. It was as good as anyone else in the top 10 except for the Red Bulls.

Considering that he was using an old set of super soft tyres in Q3 (he used up the last of his super soft tyres in Q2 with that lap), his Q3 lap wasn't too shabby either, being 0.1s off Kubica. All in all, this weekend it seems that the car is working quite nicely for him, and it has paid dividends for him. Which is more than you can say for Kobayashi...

dr-baker wrote:Grid penalty for Kamui...

He was asking for it to a certain extent - not only did he ignore the marshalls completely, but he then seemed completely oblivious to the fact that the stewards were asking him to come to their office after Q1 to ask him why he had failed to stop. That said, at least it was only a grid penalty - if the stewards had been so minded, they could have actually disqualified Kobayashi for failing to stop for scruitineering.

Paul Hayes · Post by **Paul Hayes** » 01 Aug 2010, 03:54

I hope it rains today, otherwise we're in for a bit of a bore.

Shizuka · Post by **Shizuka** » 01 Aug 2010, 09:51

Sorry, but it will NOT rain today. :'(
Sad thing is, that 120 miles SW from Hungaroring, it was raining AGAIN yesterday where I live.
I wish to see some rocket start from Felipe, he could do it two years ago... till his engine broke down, which was one of the reasons why he actually LOST the championship.

TomWazzleshaw · Post by **TomWazzleshaw** » 01 Aug 2010, 10:04

Shizuka wrote:I wish to see some rocket start from Felipe, he could do it two years ago... till his engine broke down, which was one of the reasons why he actually LOST the championship.

Massa would need a miracle to rocket into the lead from the dirty side of the track. However I'm almost expecting Alonso to come out in the lead at the start because Vettel will be more worried about the guy next to him (in this case Webber) rather than going in a straight line.

Shizuka · Post by **Shizuka** » 01 Aug 2010, 10:32

That's right. Alonso will probably get to lead. What if Webber messes up his start? It's the dirty side, as you said.
90 minutes left, so... we'll see!

Bleu · Post by **Bleu** » 01 Aug 2010, 10:40

In the late 1980s and early 1990s failing to stop scrutineering was exclusion from the race, then it was changed to disqualification of that session (also in effect when there was Friday and Saturday qualification), then with only one qualifying session it was basically sentding to back of the grid and now 5-place grid penalty. Interesting.

F1000X · Post by **F1000X** » 01 Aug 2010, 12:00

Please let everyone but the McLarens and Massa crash on the first lap.

ADx_Wales · Post by **ADx_Wales** » 01 Aug 2010, 12:29

HISPANIA 4th!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!......

.....tsk, sorry, was being an optimist then.

shinji · Post by **shinji** » 01 Aug 2010, 12:36

Well, that was rejectful.

shinji · Post by **shinji** » 01 Aug 2010, 12:50

Tut tut Sebastian, tut tut.

ADx_Wales · Post by **ADx_Wales** » 01 Aug 2010, 13:09

"So...............

.....Fernando.......

Vettel is faster than you.....

.....Do you understand that...."

ADx_Wales · Post by **ADx_Wales** » 01 Aug 2010, 13:34

"Hello Michael.................remember me?"

Reubens is giving the greif this time around

GwilymJJames · Post by **GwilymJJames** » 01 Aug 2010, 13:39

Michael Schumacher is a bathplug idiot.

Dj_bereta · Post by **Dj_bereta** » 01 Aug 2010, 13:39

Whoa! Nice move rubens!

bye bye schummy! :lol:

Jeroen Krautmeir · Post by **Jeroen Krautmeir** » 01 Aug 2010, 13:40

The one time I think Vitaly will do something great, I dont post.

ADx_Wales · Post by **ADx_Wales** » 01 Aug 2010, 13:43

I'm beginning to think Mark Webber can achieve something season, but I darent say incase I jinx it.

ADx_Wales · Post by **ADx_Wales** » 01 Aug 2010, 13:47

BOTH HRTs FINISHED!!!!!

Huzzah!!

Paul Hayes · Post by **Paul Hayes** » 01 Aug 2010, 13:51

What a stunning series of laps from Mark Webber - one might almost say "Schumacher-esque", but the old Schumacher, not the new one. Who pulled a dreadful move on Barrichello at the end there.

But a better race than we usually get in Hungary.

Debaser · Post by **Debaser** » 01 Aug 2010, 13:52

Not bad for a no.2 driver

ADx_Wales · Post by **ADx_Wales** » 01 Aug 2010, 13:54

Austrian anthem needs speeding up again.

F1000X · Post by **F1000X** » 01 Aug 2010, 13:58

GwilymJJames wrote:Michael Schumacher is a bathplug idiot.

I LIKE THIS GUY

Henrique · Post by **Henrique** » 01 Aug 2010, 14:05

Webber for World Champion?

Post by **DemocalypseNow** » 01 Aug 2010, 14:07

Henrique wrote:Webber for World Champion?

SSSSHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!

Don't jinx it!!

shinji · Post by **shinji** » 01 Aug 2010, 14:07

Henrique wrote:Webber for World Champion?

If that happened, I think Vettel's head might fly off his neck.

Post by **mario** » 01 Aug 2010, 14:08

ADx_Wales wrote:I'm beginning to think Mark Webber can achieve something season, but I darent say incase I jinx it.

It seems that Brundle brought about a case of the commentators curse today, after assuring Horner that he should have a very easy 1-2 finish on his hands (and although a Red Bull won, it wasn't the one most of us were expecting).
Still, given the strategy, he went for it, and pulled it off - ok, it seems that the so called "super soft" tyres were still very durable (some teams had even suggested that they could have done the entire race on one set of the super soft tyres), but even so, it was quite remarkable that Webber managed to get that much performance out of them for so long.

However, the major talking point which we are going to be dicussing will be that move by Schumacher (apologies if the image is a bit sluggish to load)

Now, there is defensive driving, which can be quite robust at times, but where you respect the other driver - and this was far beyond the acceptable bounds of defensive driving, as Schumacher was trying to put Rubens into the wall there (the angle which Schumacher is at is always going to take him towards Rubens, and the wall at the end of the pit exit).
I hate to say it, but that was quite vindictive by Schumacher - and as Brundle suggested, that might have been motivated by the fact that it was Rubens (i.e. an ex-team mate).

ADx_Wales · Post by **ADx_Wales** » 01 Aug 2010, 14:10

As in Monaco, Schumacher is trying everything he can, this time he shouldnt be allowed to get away with it.

The race was great, makes up for Hockenheim in a sense, but not for the most obvious form of cheating last week.

Shizuka · Post by **Shizuka** » 01 Aug 2010, 14:14

The race started out a bit sluggish, but - probably Liuzzi's? - spoiler on the track made everything quickly interesting.
Mercedes shot themselves on the foot for messing up Rosberg's stop, Renault destroyed Kubica's chances as well as Sutil's even though he was behind, Hamilton FINALLY retired with a mechanical problem (was about time, I have to say), and Vettel... he should be happy he got a third place! But no, he has to be a cry baby. Kobayashi sneaked into points, but Button... he couldn't capitalize his maximum opportunity seeing his team-mate went out with a 0.
This is definitely a good cliffhanger for Spa!