Grand Prix Rejects

Cynon: The old Hockenheim was great!

Hemogoblin: The Hungaroring is not boring!

Now my opinion on some courses (because I have no other place for it)

Aintree: Was designed for a horsetrack!

Boavista (Portugal): It ran on tramlines, past small houses, is an ancient Valencia

Bahrain: Renovated in 2010 only for the organisers to turn back the next year

Catalunya: Pole sitters' dream

Jerez: No longer holds races because some idiot crashed the podium ceremony

Everything else has been said in the first post! Well done

JeremyMcClean wrote:Cynon: The old Hockenheim was great!

The setting for the track was cool; a blast through the forest. No denying that's a damn cool idea, but how were the races there? Setting only does you so much good...

Cynon wrote:

JeremyMcClean wrote:Cynon: The old Hockenheim was great!

The setting for the track was cool; a blast through the forest. No denying that's a damn cool idea, but how were the races there? Setting only does you so much good...

A better setting than Valencia, and the setting (half-forest, half 'stadium') gave Barrichello his first victory. Had the forest not kept half the track dry, while the other half was wet, he may not have won...

Re Brands...took the life of Joe Siffert in 1971; fire extinguishers failed/not enough of them/not sensibly placed. (Led to some improvements...generally).

Mario mentioned the career ending crash of Jacques Laffite but it also happened in respect of Cecotto 1984, & Johnny Herbert's near foot losing acc. 1988.

dr-baker wrote:

Cynon wrote:

JeremyMcClean wrote:Cynon: The old Hockenheim was great!

The setting for the track was cool; a blast through the forest. No denying that's a damn cool idea, but how were the races there? Setting only does you so much good...

A better setting than Valencia, and the setting (half-forest, half 'stadium') gave Barrichello his first victory. Had the forest not kept half the track dry, while the other half was wet, he may not have won...

One race. Hungary has had two pretty good races IMO.

Cynon wrote: Hungary has had two pretty good races IMO.

2006 and... ?

dr-baker wrote:

Cynon wrote: Hungary has had two pretty good races IMO.

2006 and... ?

IIRC 1986 wasn't bad, and now that I think about it, the 2010 running was less boring than usual...

Cynon wrote:

dr-baker wrote:

Cynon wrote: Hungary has had two pretty good races IMO.

2006 and... ?

IIRC 1986 wasn't bad, and now that I think about it, the 2010 running was less boring than usual...

How can anyone forget this year? Or 1989? Or 1990?

tommykl wrote:

Cynon wrote:

dr-baker wrote:2006 and... ?

IIRC 1986 wasn't bad, and now that I think about it, the 2010 running was less boring than usual...

How can anyone forget this year? Or 1989? Or 1990?

1997, 2006 and 2011 to add to that list.

RBJ14, 2006 was already mentioned by me as the first of the quotations that you quoted!

Buddh: Indian reality: Karun Chandhok has to advise his colleagues that eating salad and drinking not bottled water in India was dangerous. Indian reality 2: what can be said about a racetrack threatened by angry farmers who want some benefits from government?

We can point out the rejectful nature of non-F1 tracks. I'll start with:

Enna-Pergusa: Well, we have frogs and snakes invading the paddock, racecars upside down being dragged by a service car with the driver trapped on it and some rumours about sicilian mafia providing money for the races.

dr-baker wrote:RBJ14, 2006 was already mentioned by me as the first of the quotations that you quoted!

shite, ROTT for me then

Austin: Nearly lost its race from the 2012 calendar due to contract issues that led to construction strike.

Bump

Captain Hammer wrote:How about the other Beijing International Street Circuit, which hosted a round of the Superleague Formula (also known as Stupid Football Thing)? It was classified as a non-championship event and had to be run as a Chinese national event because it failed to achieve FIA Grade-2 status - a section across the top of the circuit was deemed too narrow for racing, even with waved yellow flags in place.

I don't believe that circuit has been used since the Superleague Formula race there in 2010, which basically suggests that the Shunyi district is seemingly a recipe for failure of sports venues, seeing as the Olympic Rowing and Canoeing park that the street circuit was built around hasn't been used since the Beijing Olympics. [offtopic]Which is a real shame, as the circuit could have potential if the builders of the course were intelligent enough to build the circuit to good FIA standards. Plus, the fact that the Olympic venue there has not been used since the Canoe Sprint finals at the Olympics means that a fantastic venue for Canoe Sprint and Slalom is doomed to be reclaimed by nature, as people have already signed to let trees grow within the vicinity of the park.[/offtopic]

Captain Hammer wrote:Speaking of AVUS, people who follow the Gran Turismo games might have seen some gameplay videos that have been put onto YouTube (and quickly taken down) in the past few days. They show an AVUS-inspired highway circuit called Special Stage Route 7. It's set on a highway in Japan (we think) and seems to consist of two seven-mile stretches linked by highway interchanges. One is quite fiddly and hairpin-y, the other is apparently one big loop in the AVUS tradition. It's not arrow-straight like AVUS, but the corners on the main stretch of highway are very long sweepers ... I just thought someone might be interested.

I hate that track in GT5, and why have it if you can't really use it much but for Arcade mode? Pretty pointless addition to the game really.

Now, I add my take on Austin, seeing as there have been 2 Grand Prix there now.

Austin: The stupid orange kerbs and the fact that every turn is more or less a copy of another circuit.

go_Rubens wrote:Austin: The stupid orange kerbs and the fact that every turn is more or less a copy of another circuit.

Blasphemy, Magny-Cours copies other circuits but is considered a quintessential classic F1 track.

go_Rubens wrote:Austin: The stupid orange kerbs and the fact that every turn is more or less a copy of another circuit.

Personally, I think it's kind of cool to have an "all-star" track. And it's not straight copying, it's just heavy inspiration. I know that sounds like a euphemism for straight copying, but it is just inspiration. Not all hairpins are the same, not all high-speed complexes are the same, and so on.

My take on Austin…

Austin: that stadium section is appalling.

go_Rubens wrote:Bump

Captain Hammer wrote:How about the other Beijing International Street Circuit, which hosted a round of the Superleague Formula (also known as Stupid Football Thing)? It was classified as a non-championship event and had to be run as a Chinese national event because it failed to achieve FIA Grade-2 status - a section across the top of the circuit was deemed too narrow for racing, even with waved yellow flags in place.

I don't believe that circuit has been used since the Superleague Formula race there in 2010, which basically suggests that the Shunyi district is seemingly a recipe for failure of sports venues, seeing as the Olympic Rowing and Canoeing park that the street circuit was built around hasn't been used since the Beijing Olympics. [offtopic]Which is a real shame, as the circuit could have potential if the builders of the course were intelligent enough to build the circuit to good FIA standards. Plus, the fact that the Olympic venue there has not been used since the Canoe Sprint finals at the Olympics means that a fantastic venue for Canoe Sprint and Slalom is doomed to be reclaimed by nature, as people have already signed to let trees grow within the vicinity of the park.[/offtopic]

Formula E is racing in Beijing in its inaugural race - perhaps here?

I remember watching the USGP this year and looking at the section in sector 1 that's meant to resemble Becketts/Maggotts thinking "where's the actual track?" because of all of the run off. Its as if they could have just got a patch of tarmac and just drawn the track limits on with chalk.

watka wrote:I remember watching the USGP this year and looking at the section in sector 1 that's meant to resemble Becketts/Maggotts thinking "where's the actual track?" because of all of the run off. Its as if they could have just got a patch of tarmac and just drawn the track limits on with chalk.

Not just me thinking that then!

UgncreativeUsergname wrote:

go_Rubens wrote:Austin: The stupid orange kerbs and the fact that every turn is more or less a copy of another circuit.

Personally, I think it's kind of cool to have an "all-star" track. And it's not straight copying, it's just heavy inspiration. I know that sounds like a euphemism for straight copying, but it is just inspiration. Not all hairpins are the same, not all high-speed complexes are the same, and so on.

Since we live in such a culture that relies on different sources for their own ideas, it doesn't entirely surprise me that Austin was built this way. Watch this video to see how much inspiration has effected our everyday lives.

Singapore: Still too slow, or better reduce the race length by 4-6 laps
(From 2014): Osterreichring: Killed the fast track (anyway I called it Osterreichring because it's literally means "Austrian Ring" which is very nationalistic for me, instead of sponsors

Bump:

Sochi: Almost ruined by international politics. (Can't think of anything else )

Not nessecarily an F1 circuit but

Bathurst: Roos get on the track year in year out. And let's not forget Curva do Lel this year