Rejects Of Gran Turismo

MinardiFan95 · Post by **MinardiFan95** » 29 Dec 2010, 10:44

Only one problem with this - there is no race at High Speed Ring in the Sunday Cup in GT5, nor are there any readily available used cars under 10,000 credits (I can only think of one under 10,000 car that I have seen in the used lot - some rubbish Hyundai coupe). I guess I'll have to set the PS2 up again if I am going to participate in this.

Tealy · Post by **Tealy** » 29 Dec 2010, 11:23

MinardiFan95 wrote:Only one problem with this - there is no race at High Speed Ring in the Sunday Cup in GT5, nor are there any readily available used cars under 10,000 credits (I can only think of one under 10,000 car that I have seen in the used lot - some rubbish Hyundai coupe). I guess I'll have to set the PS2 up again if I am going to participate in this.

Problem 1 is surely solved by just doing time trial, I am hunting for a car under 10,000 now and will update this post if I find one.

EDIT: Only 1 car in GT5 under 10k. A racing Kart.

MinardiFan95 · Post by **MinardiFan95** » 29 Dec 2010, 11:28

Tealy wrote:
MinardiFan95 wrote:Only one problem with this - there is no race at High Speed Ring in the Sunday Cup in GT5, nor are there any readily available used cars under 10,000 credits (I can only think of one under 10,000 car that I have seen in the used lot - some rubbish Hyundai coupe). I guess I'll have to set the PS2 up again if I am going to participate in this.

Problem 1 is surely solved by just doing time trial, I am hunting for a car under 10,000 now and will update this post if I find one.

20,000 could be a good limit, as that is the starting amount in GT5 and all the used car prices seem to have increased a lot between GT4 and GT5.(For example: you could get an early model Lancer Evo or Impreza WRX STi for under 10k in GT4 but you cant even get a knackered Citroen 2cv under 10k in GT5).

Tealy · Post by **Tealy** » 29 Dec 2010, 11:36

MinardiFan95 wrote:
Tealy wrote:
MinardiFan95 wrote:Only one problem with this - there is no race at High Speed Ring in the Sunday Cup in GT5, nor are there any readily available used cars under 10,000 credits (I can only think of one under 10,000 car that I have seen in the used lot - some rubbish Hyundai coupe). I guess I'll have to set the PS2 up again if I am going to participate in this.

Problem 1 is surely solved by just doing time trial, I am hunting for a car under 10,000 now and will update this post if I find one.

20,000 could be a good limit, as that is the starting amount in GT5 and all the used car prices seem to have increased a lot between GT4 and GT5.(For example: you could get an early model Lancer Evo or Impreza WRX STi for under 10k in GT4 but you cant even get a knackered Citroen 2cv under 10k in GT5).

Agreed, maybe for future challenges we should have a car limit or engine limit since prices vary between the games. I'm about to do the challenge in the cheapest (proper) car I could find. a 1991 Honda Civic Sir-II, 1.6ltr engine with 167bhp. Cost 11,546cr and it's the cheapest used car on my game at the moment.

dr-baker · Post by **dr-baker** » 29 Dec 2010, 11:54

On my PSP version of GT, I can't find Sunday Cup, nor can I easily find how much I paid for each car! And I won't have time before the end of the year to try my PS3... I'll just try the Time Trial in one of my cheaper, lower-powered models I think. After all,:

Klon wrote: I will use a 10-8-6-5-4-3-2-1 system with a bonus point allocated by me to the user who managed to entertain me most, be it by a very unique choice of vehicle or clever bending of the rules.

Klon · Post by **Klon** » 29 Dec 2010, 12:01

Okay, that is where my lack of knowledge of GT5 and my lack of care regarding GTPSP came into play. I need your opinion: would it be too late and too harmful for those who have already begun working on their time to change the upper price limit to 15,000 credits?

MinardiFan95 · Post by **MinardiFan95** » 29 Dec 2010, 12:13

Klon wrote:Okay, that is where my lack of knowledge of GT5 and my lack of care regarding GTPSP came into play. I need your opinion: would it be too late and too harmful for those who have already begun working on their time to change the upper price limit to 15,000 credits?

I'll just check the used car lots a few times and see how the 15000 credit cars in GT5 compare to the 10000 credit cars in GT4. Also just remembered that GT3 doesn't have a used car lot.

Salamander · Post by **Salamander** » 29 Dec 2010, 12:32

Maybe it would just be better to have a different class of competition for each game. That way we can account for differences like car price and tracks across each game, while making it as fair as possible for anyone to win.

MinardiFan95 · Post by **MinardiFan95** » 29 Dec 2010, 12:41

I think I may have just found the perfect car for this challenge...

...and it only cost me 12,059 credits. It is (supposedly) Iris Red in colour (who are they trying to kid) and has a fully automatic transmission. Reject of the Race, here I come.

Tealy · Post by **Tealy** » 29 Dec 2010, 12:54

Thats me thowing down the gauntlet in my Civic on GT5. Klon, I'll send you the details via e-mail.

I also got a time of 1:55.780 in the racing Kart. The only car technically legal to take part in this challenge on GT5

MinardiFan95 · Post by **MinardiFan95** » 29 Dec 2010, 13:14

I have actually found a good car for under 10k in GT5, a 1985 Mazda RX7. Now here's the big decision: do I use the RX7 to try and win or do I use the pink Honda to win the bonus point for the most unique vehicle.

EDIT: I've found a car even better then both the Fit and RX7. What could be more rejectful than a 30hp kei car from the early 1970's that shares a name with a certain F1 car powered by a W12. It is the Honda Life Step Van, built in 1972 and with the new car repainting option in GT5, has been resprayed in Papaya Orange.

Post by **tommykl** » 29 Dec 2010, 14:03

Problem: the game's on my brother's PSP and he won't let me use it until tomorrow...

Post by **Nuppiz** » 29 Dec 2010, 14:53

tommykl wrote:Problem: the game's on my brother's PSP and he won't let me use it until tomorrow...

There's time until 31st, so no hurry with that.

Klon wrote:*Oil changes etc. are tuning as well. Also, forgive me if I use the wrong names, I "only" have the German versions of the game(s).

No oil changes? I myself think that it would fit to the "cheapskate" style we're using here perfectly, as it only costs 50 credits and is quite essential with used cars. But, if you want to keep it that way, I won't object.

It's currently Day 4474 in my GT4 save game, so it's fair to say that I've spent quite a while with this game, of which a lot has been spent by collecting money with the same method BlindCaveSalamander mentioned (only instead with the Mercedes CLK Touring Car, given as a price from winning Mercedes' "Legens of the Silver Arrow" event).

Well, let's see what's on the used car market today. In line with the 10,000 Cr budget, the most powerful car is currently a Mitsubishi Lancer Evolution GSR '92, with 222 (without oil change)/246 (with oil change) horses, 278/308 Nm of torque, a rather nice 4WD configuration and a relatively small weight with only 1240kg. All this for 9,582 Cr. I have fond memories of this particular model, as it was the first car I bought in GT4 (being the most powerful one available under 10k) when I started this game four years ago. The one currently on sale even has the same color as mine, being Pyrenees Black!

However, I want to make a suggestion. How about if the 10,000 Cr price limit not only includes the car itself, but the tuning applied on it as well? I.e. the car's price and the Weight Reduction Stage 1 mustn't have a combined price of over 10k. If my suggestion is OK, I've already looked for an alternative to that Lancer I wrote of above:

Nissan Skyline GTS-t Type M '89
Type: FR
Power: 192/212 HP
Torque: 238/264 Nm
Mass: 1260 kg
Price: 8,347 Cr

I'll make my decision once my suggestions are decided upon by Klon. In the meantime, I'll give both of these cars a spin in the Arcade Mode.

Oh BTW which tyres will we be using? Are the Sports Mediums that come with every car OK, or should we opt for the freely-available road (Economy/Luxury/Road) tires instead?

Post by **Nuppiz** » 29 Dec 2010, 16:26

After testing both of them out, I decided to grab the Skyline. Here it is, ain't it a beauty?

Tealy · Post by **Tealy** » 29 Dec 2010, 16:46

Nuppiz wrote:However, I want to make a suggestion. How about if the 10,000 Cr price limit not only includes the car itself, but the tuning applied on it as well? I.e. the car's price and the Weight Reduction Stage 1 mustn't have a combined price of over 10k. If my suggestion is OK, I've already looked for an alternative to that Lancer I wrote of above:

I like the idea but like the price limits can we leave it until next time. I've already submitted my time and 11k for my car + 5k tuning is way over the 10k limit. Thats with the cheapest car that was available on my game.

Post by **Nuppiz** » 29 Dec 2010, 17:22

Tealy wrote:
Nuppiz wrote:However, I want to make a suggestion. How about if the 10,000 Cr price limit not only includes the car itself, but the tuning applied on it as well? I.e. the car's price and the Weight Reduction Stage 1 mustn't have a combined price of over 10k. If my suggestion is OK, I've already looked for an alternative to that Lancer I wrote of above:

I like the idea but like the price limits can we leave it until next time. I've already submitted my time and 11k for my car + 5k tuning is way over the 10k limit. Thats with the cheapest car that was available on my game.

Of course we can't impose new rules amid a competition, so if we're going to use new rules, they cannot be applied until the next race.

If someone could give a rough estimate of the price differences between GT4 and GT5, then perhaps we could work out how the price limit is imposed on different games.

Klon · Post by **Klon** » 29 Dec 2010, 17:35

Nuppiz wrote:Oh BTW which tyres will we be using? Are the Sports Mediums that come with every car OK, or should we opt for the freely-available road (Economy/Luxury/Road) tires instead?

Let's go with the tyres that come with the car for this one but I will have to be more specific in the future. Jeez, so many things to think about. Ah well, one learns with experience. :mrgreen:

Pointrox · Post by **Pointrox** » 29 Dec 2010, 21:53

MinardiFan95 wrote:

HWNSNBM's party-van

SuperAguri · Post by **SuperAguri** » 29 Dec 2010, 22:44

With all the issues would it just be easier to use arcade mode, select a track, a basic car (with no upgrades) and for us to get the quickest lap we can?

Nessafox · Post by **Nessafox** » 30 Dec 2010, 00:32

SuperAguri wrote:With all the issues would it just be easier to use arcade mode, select a track, a basic car (with no upgrades) and for us to get the quickest lap we can?

might be the best way to start, and in the meantime work out the rules, as they seem complicated
but we could keep this championship going while the other has started

TomWazzleshaw · Post by **TomWazzleshaw** » 30 Dec 2010, 01:02

MinardiFan95 wrote:

Time to hit the town and get wasted :lol:

FullMetalJack · Post by **FullMetalJack** » 30 Dec 2010, 13:33

Wizzie wrote:
MinardiFan95 wrote:

Time to hit the town and get wasted

You'll be pulling all the girls with that machine.

Post by **Nuppiz** » 30 Dec 2010, 14:18

Just finished my drive with the Skyline, and I feel that I couldn't have possibly driven faster (well maybe a tenth or so but you'll get my meaning). Although I won't be scoring much bonus points with my unimaginary choice of a pitch black R32 Skyline.

WeirdKerr · Post by **WeirdKerr** » 30 Dec 2010, 17:43

this is my favourite car...... nearly 300 horses carbon bonnet and a silly big wing (the colour is Verde Countach)

dr-baker · Post by **dr-baker** » 30 Dec 2010, 18:08

So are we posting our results on here or emailing them to Klon?

Pointrox · Post by **Pointrox** » 30 Dec 2010, 18:32

WeirdKerr wrote:
this is my favourite car...... nearly 300 horses carbon bonnet and a silly big wing (the colour is Verde Countach)

Nice rims

Klon · Post by **Klon** » 30 Dec 2010, 19:45

dr-baker wrote:So are we posting our results on here or emailing them to Klon?

Email to me, for additional excitement. :mrgreen:

dr-baker · Post by **dr-baker** » 30 Dec 2010, 20:02

Klon wrote:
dr-baker wrote:So are we posting our results on here or emailing them to Klon?

Email to me, for additional excitement.

OK. I will email you my results tomorrow morning/lunchtime!

watka · Post by **watka** » 30 Dec 2010, 21:50

As an XBox360 owner (and PS2 owner), I going to say:

I NEED GT5!!!!!!!!!!!!!

AND A HD TELLY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

SuperAguri · Post by **SuperAguri** » 30 Dec 2010, 22:08

I bought a PS3 just for Gran Turismo HD... and this was a week after the Japanese launch...

This week I have mainly been playing GT5 with a nice 46" 3D TV , all I can say apart from it feeling like playing a game with sunglasses on, the 3D effect is very good and does help judging distances from you and the other cars much better

TomWazzleshaw · Post by **TomWazzleshaw** » 30 Dec 2010, 23:27

SuperAguri wrote:I bought a PS3 just for Gran Turismo HD... and this was a week after the Japanese launch...

This week I have mainly been playing GT5 with a nice 46" 3D TV , all I can say apart from it feeling like playing a game with sunglasses on, the 3D effect is very good and does help judging distances from you and the other cars much better

Words cannot describe how much I envy you right now.

redbulljack14 wrote:
Wizzie wrote:
MinardiFan95 wrote:

Time to hit the town and get wasted

You'll be pulling all the girls with that machine.

All we need to do is fit it out with a massive stereo system and the booze bus will be ready.

MinardiFan95 · Post by **MinardiFan95** » 31 Dec 2010, 04:34

In the end I decided to take this seriously and raced in the RX7. Let this just be a warning to those who are going to use Comfort tyres; they are terrible, making much tyre screeches and producing more smoke from both the front tyres (when cornering) and the rear tyres (when accelerating) than a reggae band trying to think up lyrics to their songs.

the Masked Lapwing · Post by **the Masked Lapwing** » 31 Dec 2010, 05:19

I managed to get a '94 Impreza WRX STi for 9,722 credits, albeit with 80 000km...

dr-baker · Post by **dr-baker** » 31 Dec 2010, 11:42

I attempted with four different vehicles with varying results, but on the PSP version, you cannot modify nor buy used - you can only buy new. And it is either Time Trial or your choice of track and car - no Sunday Cups or anything.

By the way, for reference, the 'cars' I used were:

Mini Cooper 1.3i '98
VW Beetle 1100 Standard '49
Daihatsu Midget II D type '98
Fiat 500 R '72

The Daihatsu, if you were wondering why the word 'car' was in marks.

Warren Hughes · Post by **Warren Hughes** » 31 Dec 2010, 14:40

I'm too late :oops:

I haven't been on the game since before Christmas and haven't checked the forum for a couple of days. Now I find I have 20 minutes to find a suitable car, get up to speed and record a decent time. I would prefer to save my dignity and withdraw from the event!

the Masked Lapwing · Post by **the Masked Lapwing** » 31 Dec 2010, 14:42

dr-baker wrote:Daihatsu Midget II D type '98

I was so tempted to use that, except the one I own has been tuned a lot, and there weren't any for sale... Ah well. Always next time!

Post by **tommykl** » 01 Jan 2011, 16:30

So, when do we get the results?

Klon · Post by **Klon** » 01 Jan 2011, 16:30

Results - "Super Sunday Cup Brawl"

1.: BlindCaveSalamander - Chevrolet Camaro Z28 Coupe '97 - 1:22.842
2.: Nuppiz - Nissan Skyline GTS-t Type M (R32) '89 - 1'25.817
3.: The Masked Lapwing - Subaru Impreza Sedan WRX Sti (GC) '94 - 1'26.936
4.: MinardiFan95 - Mazda RX7 GT-Limited (FC) '85 - 1'27.318
5.: Tealy - Honda Civic Sir-II '91 - 1'27.687
6.: Tommykl - Mitsubishi COLT 1.5 Sport X Version '02 - 1'37.656
7.: Dr-baker - Mini Cooper 1.3i '98 - 1'46.301 (only best time used)
8.: Pointrox - Honda TODAY G '85 - 2'03.927
Bonus Point: Pointrox for living TODAY :mrgreen:

Gran Turismo World Championship

1.: BlindCaveSalamander - 10 Points
2.: Nuppiz - 8 Points
3.: The Masked Lapwing - 6 Points
4.: MinardiFan95 - 5 Points
5.: Tealy - 4 Points
6.: Tommykl - 3 Points
7.: Dr-baker - 2 Points
8.: Pointrox - 2 Points

###################################################################

So, after we have used the first round as a learning curve, I think the second round will go far easier. And since today is the first day of 2011, I think we should have something related to the upcoming year. 25 years ago, Fiat took control of a widely known car manufacturer, so this time around we are celebrating...

Scenario 1-2: "An Alfa Anniversary"

Track (GT2): Deep Forest Raceway
Track (GT4): Deep Forest Raceway
Track (GTP): Deep Forest Raceway
Track (GT5): Deep Forest Raceway

Car To Use (GT2): Alfa Romeo GTV 2.0 TS 16V/Alfa Romeo GTV 3.0 V6 24V
Car To Use (GT4): Alfa Romeo GT 3.2 V6 24V/Alfa Romeo GTV 3.0 V6 24V/Alfa Romeo Spider 3.0i V6 24V
Car To Use (GTP): Alfa Romeo GT 3.2 V6 24V/Alfa Romeo GTV 3.0 V6 24V/Alfa Romeo Spider 3.0i V6 24V
Car To Use (GT5): Alfa Romeo GT 3.2 V6 24V/Alfa Romeo GTV 3.0 V6 24V

Allowed Tuning (GT2): Racing Chip/Tires as bought
Allowed Tuning (GT4): Racing Chip/Oil Change/Road Tires
Allowed Tuning (GTP): Racing Tires
Allowed Tuning (GT5): Racing Chip/Oil Change/Comfort Tires

Other conditions: None

Deadline: 4th January 2011, 20:00 CET

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Once you think your lap time is good enough, please send me the following per e-mail.

User Name:
Car Used:
Tuning Applied:
Lap Time:
Game Used: *I am thinking about adding an additional championship for each game*

Pointrox · Post by **Pointrox** » 01 Jan 2011, 17:59

Well, I had only 7.000Cr and 5 minutes to buy, upgrade and do a quick lap.
If you can call that quick - this car is barely moving. I hope that this car will make the rivalry more equal

Klon wrote:I am thinking about adding an additional championship for each game

Something like Jim Clark Trophy, but instead of awarding drivers of cars equipped with naturally-aspirated engines, you can award drivers who are the best in each game.
Imagine that - Oscar Larrauri GT2 Trophy, Esteban Tuero GT3 Trophy, Piercarlo Ghinzani GT4 Trophy, Alex Caffi GT5 Trophy etc.

dr-baker · Post by **dr-baker** » 01 Jan 2011, 18:27

In GT PSP, the full range of Alfas are:

AR 147 GTA '02
AR 156 2.5 V6 24v '98
AR Spider 3.0i V6 24v '01
AR Giulia Sprint GTA '65
AR 155 2.5 v6 TI '93

And already in my garage is a 147 2.0 TWIN SPARK '02. Which should I use?