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Re: Schumacher NOT to replace Massa

Posted: 11 Aug 2009, 15:21
by CarlosFerreira
howardmb wrote:I smell a conspiracy...(and yes, I'm standing up)

Michael had nothing to gain by stepping into Massa's car. Michael has proved himself time and again and a few more wins, even if it is over Kimi, would mean little. It's not as if he needed the money, he's alreay a 'squintillionaire so the added loot wouldn't have amounted to more than pocket change. As for his bike racing crash injuries, the word on the street may have been "Michael was banged up a bit" but Michael would have known he had breaks and was in no shape to hop into a F1 car. He would have known there would be no way he could take the punishment. Not with fractures in his neck. Any doctor could have told him that right up front. So, he would have known racing was a non-starter.

Who would have something to gain? Who else but that megalomaniac Bernie! Valencia hasn't been the spectator draw the organizers had hoped and with Renault potentially banned from the race, (dropping out Alonso), even fewer people would be tempted to show. But raise the hopes that Michael might show and ticket sales jump. Ultimately, Bernie profits big-time. No wonder when Michael made his announcement he was going to drive Bernie was one of the first to jump on the bandwagon and praise him...

...I should have smelled something right up front but instead I was suckered in just like everyone else....


I like this one. Maybe it's Ferrari trying to get back on the good side of Bernie after the FOTA episode?

Re: Schumi out / Corpse of Badoer's f1 career twitches!

Posted: 11 Aug 2009, 16:17
by Steve
fjackdaw wrote:
Not only is this an official, listed F1 Reject suddenly getting a top drive - in a Ferrari no less - but a Reject from the golden era of Rejectdom - the 1990s! He's not even a Pedro Diniz, who squeaked into the 2000 season, this is a bona fide '90s Reject. In F1 terms, he's practically a museum piece. This is like Tuero or Katyama or Lamy getting a drive and becoming an active F1 driver in a top team.

It's like... it's like Norman Greenbaum suddenly getting a brand new number 1 hit single, 40 years after his last, and finally losing his one hit wonder status. Only more exciting.

Too right! Sadly I think all the talk on the TV commentaries will be about Schumacher and not the amazing reappearance of Mr Badoer. Maybe I should bombard the BBC blogs and demand a detailed pre-race retrospective package on Luca going all the way back to 1993.

Re: Schumacher NOT to replace Massa

Posted: 11 Aug 2009, 16:50
by dragonsteincole
While part of me is of course gutted not to be seeing Herr Schumacher back on an f1 grid again (and to be honest, when is another opportunity going to come up like this when he is fit?), the other half of me is excited for Badoer. Hopefully after the race he'll be crying tears of joy rather than sorrow.

Re: Schumacher NOT to replace Massa

Posted: 11 Aug 2009, 18:07
by Pedro_Diniz
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wDTMQR4z2QE

Poor Luca!! 0.47 kills me each time, with the marshall consoling him. Good to have you back, chap :D

Re: Schumacher NOT to replace Massa

Posted: 11 Aug 2009, 18:16
by WeirdKerr
Saw this happening after Ferrari found they were not allowed to let Schumacher test.....

If Badoer manages to get 4th place .... why not creat a new category on the site just for F1 rejects that have managed to un-reject themselves, it would be a shame to delete Luca Badoer's profile

Re: Schumacher NOT to replace Massa

Posted: 11 Aug 2009, 18:21
by jackanderton
0: Amount of times Luca Badoer or even a potential replacement for Schumacher was mentioned on the BBC News report.


Predictable in a way, but you'd think they'd at least mention the replacement in passing, if not spend ages talking about him.

Re: Schumacher NOT to replace Massa

Posted: 11 Aug 2009, 19:54
by LionZoo
Schumi just become the early leader for Reject of the Race for Valencia. If the race itself is actually as boring as last year, he just might take it.

Re: Schumi out / Corpse of Badoer's f1 career twitches!

Posted: 11 Aug 2009, 22:06
by Kuwashima
This news may, in fact, lead to an unprecedented mid-race-break podcast.

Re: Schumi out / Corpse of Badoer's f1 career twitches!

Posted: 11 Aug 2009, 22:19
by Debaser
Wow, that would be unprecedented...I'm all for any extra podcasts. On Badoer, casual fans remember him for driving some Ferrari road cars on Top Gear and that's it. But I'm ecstatic, when I saw the news in a newspaper on the train home today it made my day, it will be cool to see how he fares against Kimi and to see him get some points, if not the historic first removal of an F1 reject profile for exiting reject status.

Re: Schumi out / Corpse of Badoer's f1 career twitches!

Posted: 11 Aug 2009, 23:43
by Waris
I saw this on the news today.
First, when they said Schumacher was coming back after all, I was like "Ah, shite!", but then there was a split second in which I thought "Hey, but, does that mean Badoer is going to drive?", before they mentioned it, and then I was overjoyed!

YAY!!! Hooray for Luca Badoer. It's like the kind of bad luck gets lucky for once. :D

Re: Schumi out / Corpse of Badoer's f1 career twitches!

Posted: 11 Aug 2009, 23:47
by Jordan
Well, why stop here? Why not let Bernie start another few races? 51 years since races has GOT to be a record. Well...I guess we're talking race starts

Re: Schumi out / Corpse of Badoer's f1 career twitches!

Posted: 11 Aug 2009, 23:53
by Bort
Kuwashima wrote:This news may, in fact, lead to an unprecedented mid-race-break podcast.


An F1 Rejects retrospective on Luca would be infinitely better than a BBC one.

Re: Schumi out / Corpse of Badoer's f1 career twitches!

Posted: 11 Aug 2009, 23:55
by Cynon
YES YES YES YES YES YES

This demands an avatar change.

There. :D

Luca Badoer for the race win!

Re: Schumi out / Corpse of Badoer's f1 career twitches!

Posted: 12 Aug 2009, 06:10
by Yannick
In the German press, Schumacher's manager Willi Weber was quoted that this motorcycle accident that Michael had in February of this year while testing in Cartagena was the worst accident of his motorsports career.

Here is hoping that he fully recovers from it. It is strange though, that undiscovered injuries were only discovered while he was testing the year-old Ferrari at Mugello recently.

And of course, I'll be cheering Luca Badoer on!!!

Re: Schumi out / Corpse of Badoer's f1 career twitches!

Posted: 12 Aug 2009, 08:40
by Pedro_Diniz
I was just thinking.... Valencia is this year's European Grand Prix, and it was the European Grand Prix (at the Nurburgring) exactly 10 years ago that Luca had his infamous retirement for Minardi. Oooh!

Re: Schumi out / Corpse of Badoer's f1 career twitches!

Posted: 12 Aug 2009, 13:42
by Captain Hammer
Okay, I'm going to open the betting pool here: how many times will Jonathan Legard mention Luca Badoer without mentioning Michael Schumacher in the same sentence?

Re: Schumi out / Corpse of Badoer's f1 career twitches!

Posted: 12 Aug 2009, 13:59
by jackanderton
I hadn't thought of that. No doubt he will manage to tediously drone on about it to fill in the gaps in the 'action' Valencia won't provide.

Re: Schumi out / Corpse of Badoer's f1 career twitches!

Posted: 12 Aug 2009, 14:01
by CarlosFerreira
Hmmm, good call. I will be listening to music during the transmission, don't want to take any chances.

Re: Schumi out / Corpse of Badoer's f1 career twitches!

Posted: 12 Aug 2009, 20:29
by watka
Badoer is 33/1 on BlueSquare for the win, worth a punt.

Re: Schumi out / Corpse of Badoer's f1 career twitches!

Posted: 12 Aug 2009, 20:39
by fjackdaw
Captain Hammer wrote:Okay, I'm going to open the betting pool here: how many times will Jonathan Legard mention Luca Badoer without mentioning Michael Schumacher in the same sentence?


Only if Luca Badoer does something on track that takes him by surprise. Otherwise, when he's just talking about him, not at all.

Re: Schumi out / Corpse of Badoer's f1 career twitches!

Posted: 13 Aug 2009, 12:17
by Kuwashima
Ladies and gents,
Please convene in the HWNSNBM forum to write your message of support for Luca Badoer!
Cheers,
Jamie

Re: Schumi out / Corpse of Badoer's f1 career twitches!

Posted: 14 Aug 2009, 13:25
by fjackdaw
Captain Hammer wrote:Okay, I'm going to open the betting pool here: how many times will Jonathan Legard mention Luca Badoer without mentioning Michael Schumacher in the same sentence?


The Yahoo F1 News page currently carries five headlines which mention Schumacher and none mentioning Badoer.

Re: Schumi out / Corpse of Badoer's f1 career twitches!

Posted: 14 Aug 2009, 17:23
by Many Blue Flags
[quote="Captain Hammer"]Okay, I'm going to open the betting pool here: how many times will Jonathan Legard mention Luca Badoer without mentioning Michael Schumacher in the same sentence?

I'm going to see if Martin Brundle will take back what he said at Singapore last year.

“I used to race against [Ferrari test driver] Badoer. Back in those days he couldn’t drive a nail into a piece of wood.”

From: http://www.brundlequotes.com/page3.htm

Re: Schumi out / Corpse of Badoer's f1 career twitches!

Posted: 14 Aug 2009, 19:11
by Irisado
So, I've been busy writing my dissertation and away on holiday, and I come back to find that not much has really been happening...... ;)

Anyway, I am delighted for Luca Badoer, and I promise all of you, I will do something outrageous if he wins. I rarely follow the front of the grid, and I rarely get emotional about winners, but if Badoer does win I might need a tissue or two, and I'm saying that in all seriousness.

It's very unlikely that he will win, but I really hope he beats Kimi Raikkonen, as this would be the moment of the year as far as I am concerned. He really deserves this chance, but it will be so odd for me to support a Ferrari, it's going to be very strange. Let's hope that Ferrari give him more than one opportunity, as I would be quite happy not to see Schumacher return.

Re: Schumi out / Corpse of Badoer's f1 career twitches!

Posted: 14 Aug 2009, 19:36
by WeirdKerr
If Badoer does manage to win a race i dearly hope it happens at Monza......

When was the last time the Italian GP was won by an Italian in a Ferrari?

(edit)It was 1966 Ludovico Scarfiotti

Re: Schumi out / Corpse of Badoer's f1 career twitches!

Posted: 14 Aug 2009, 20:07
by CarlosFerreira
Irisado wrote:So, I've been busy writing my dissertation and away on holiday


What do you know, that makes two of us.

Note: this reply has been completely off-topic.

Re: Schumi out / Corpse of Badoer's f1 career twitches!

Posted: 14 Aug 2009, 20:12
by DonTirri
WeirdKerr wrote:If Badoer does manage to win a race i dearly hope it happens at Monza......

When was the last time the Italian GP was won by an Italian in a Ferrari?

(edit)It was 1966 Ludovico Scarfiotti


When's the last time an italian has won the italian GP period? I'm thinking Alboreto or Patrese but i'm not sure did iether of them win it

EDIT: Ludovico is the last Italian to win the GP PERIOD

Re: Schumi out / Corpse of Badoer's f1 career twitches!

Posted: 14 Aug 2009, 21:43
by fjackdaw
DonTirri wrote:EDIT: Ludovico is the last Italian to win the GP PERIOD


Presumably he did this between brainwashing Malcolm McDowell?

Re: Schumi out / Corpse of Badoer's f1 career twitches!

Posted: 15 Aug 2009, 08:49
by WeirdKerr
DonTirri wrote:
WeirdKerr wrote:If Badoer does manage to win a race i dearly hope it happens at Monza......

When was the last time the Italian GP was won by an Italian in a Ferrari?

(edit)It was 1966 Ludovico Scarfiotti


When's the last time an italian has won the italian GP period? I'm thinking Alboreto or Patrese but i'm not sure did iether of them win it

EDIT: Ludovico is the last Italian to win the GP PERIOD



But not the Last italian to win an F1 race in Italy......

Re: Schumi out / Corpse of Badoer's f1 career twitches!

Posted: 15 Aug 2009, 14:00
by DonTirri
WeirdKerr wrote:
DonTirri wrote:
WeirdKerr wrote:If Badoer does manage to win a race i dearly hope it happens at Monza......

When was the last time the Italian GP was won by an Italian in a Ferrari?

(edit)It was 1966 Ludovico Scarfiotti


When's the last time an italian has won the italian GP period? I'm thinking Alboreto or Patrese but i'm not sure did iether of them win it

EDIT: Ludovico is the last Italian to win the GP PERIOD



But not the Last italian to win an F1 race in Italy......


Imola doesn't count. it was Never (?) the Italian Grand Prix. And we are talking about the Italian GRAND PRIX
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Re: Schumi out / Corpse of Badoer's f1 career twitches!

Posted: 15 Aug 2009, 14:26
by muttley
DonTirri wrote:
Imola doesn't count. it was Never (?) the Italian Grand Prix. And we are talking about the Italian GRAND PRIX
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According to wikipedia, Imola hosted the Italian GP in 1980.
Anyway, the last italian to win on italian soil (Imola in this case) was Elio De Angelis in 1985.

Re: Schumi out / Corpse of Badoer's f1 career twitches!

Posted: 15 Aug 2009, 15:11
by DonTirri
muttley wrote:
DonTirri wrote:
Imola doesn't count. it was Never (?) the Italian Grand Prix. And we are talking about the Italian GRAND PRIX
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According to wikipedia, Imola hosted the Italian GP in 1980.
Anyway, the last italian to win on italian soil (Imola in this case) was Elio De Angelis in 1985.


Wrong. Patrese at 1990

Re: Schumi out / Corpse of Badoer's f1 career twitches!

Posted: 18 Aug 2009, 22:48
by Ferrim
Not even Alesi, who was half-italian and beloved by the tifossi, could win at Monza! He could have won 94, 95, 96 and 97 but didn't won any of those.

Re: Schumi out / Corpse of Badoer's f1 career twitches!

Posted: 21 Aug 2009, 05:43
by thehemogoblin

Re: Schumi out / Corpse of Badoer's f1 career twitches!

Posted: 21 Aug 2009, 07:02
by TomWazzleshaw
And all of a sudden a huge weight has been taken off his shoulders... It'll be comforting to know nobody is gonna take his drive until Massa gets back

Re: Schumi out / Corpse of Badoer's f1 career twitches!

Posted: 21 Aug 2009, 11:42
by Irisado
I'm really pleased to read that piece of news, since having no certainty of continuing after Valencia would have generated a lot of unnecessary pressure. Also, Valencia is going to be tougher for him than say Spa or Monza in my opinion, because he hasn't driven there before, and in spite of its bland nature, I don't think it's the easiest track to learn.