Grand Prix Rejects

dr-baker wrote:Exception: Jackie Stewart?

Not quite. Paul Stewart was the de facto Team Principle, JYS was, well, Triple World Champion Jackie Stewart.

And Paul Stewart was not a succesful driver.

AdrianSutil wrote:Am not surprised. Talk about turning it into a totally Spanish team.

Nor am I surprised that Thesan Capital have moved to put on of their own men in the post (Perez Sala was already working for Thesan Capital before Kolles's departure, suggesting that this might have been part of the longer term plans for the team right from the start).

CoopsII wrote:Great news, and following the oft-proved rule that good drivers make crap team principals in theory, Little Luis should perform.

If the theory is that the inverse holds true (a poor driver will make a good team principal), the problem is that by that theory Campos was a poor driver and nearly ran the team into the ground. OK, there have been some drivers who have also been good businessmen, but just because you're familiar with the sport from the inside of a cockpit, it doesn't mean that you'll perform well in the boardroom too...

mario wrote: the problem is that by that theory Campos was a poor driver and nearly ran the team into the ground

Campos was replaced by Kolles before they had even raced. The theory still stands up.

It will, however, become a confusing tangle of narrative if Michael Schumacher becomes a Team Principle.

CoopsII wrote:

mario wrote: the problem is that by that theory Campos was a poor driver and nearly ran the team into the ground

Campos was replaced by Kolles before they had even raced. The theory still stands up.

Not really. The team was pretty much bathplugged under Campos' management & very nearly didn't make it to race at all thanks to his ineptitude.

CoopsII wrote:

dr-baker wrote:Exception: Jackie Stewart?

Not quite. Paul Stewart was the de facto Team Principle, JYS was, well, Triple World Champion Jackie Stewart.

And Paul Stewart was not a succesful driver.

What about Gerhard Berger and Toro Rosso?

eagleash wrote:The team was pretty much bathplugged under Campos' management & very nearly didn't make it to race at all thanks to his ineptitude.

<opens imaginary rule-book>

Exactly, Campos never competed as a Team Principle. He was an F1 Team Principle in the same way that Peter Windsor was an F1 Team Principle. Campos was never on the pit-wall biting his nails like Prost, or pretending everything was on target like Lauda.

Faustus wrote:What about Gerhard Berger and Toro Rosso?

Now we're getting into the nitty-gritty of success and mediocrity. I would describe Berger and Toro Rosso as the Annakin that brings balance to this discussion. Both neither crap nor, sorry, mega star status.

I think Ive trolled enough for one day. Im going back to bed.

CoopsII wrote:

eagleash wrote:The team was pretty much bathplugged under Campos' management & very nearly didn't make it to race at all thanks to his ineptitude.

<opens imaginary rule-book>

Exactly, Campos never competed as a Team Principle. He was an F1 Team Principle in the same way that Peter Windsor was an F1 Team Principle. Campos was never on the pit-wall biting his nails like Prost, or pretending everything was on target like Lauda.

Whether competing or not he was still Team Principle & still was a bit of a failure at the job.

eagleash wrote:

CoopsII wrote:

eagleash wrote:The team was pretty much bathplugged under Campos' management & very nearly didn't make it to race at all thanks to his ineptitude.

<opens imaginary rule-book>

Exactly, Campos never competed as a Team Principle. He was an F1 Team Principle in the same way that Peter Windsor was an F1 Team Principle. Campos was never on the pit-wall biting his nails like Prost, or pretending everything was on target like Lauda.

Whether competing or not he was still Team Principle & still was a bit of a failure at the job.

+1

Managing to almost bathplug up a perfectly good entry to a very restricted sport counts as a failure in my book. (Almost because he sold it right before doing another USF1). Although you can say Campos is the exception that confirms your rule/theory.

eagleash wrote:

CoopsII wrote:

eagleash wrote:The team was pretty much bathplugged under Campos' management & very nearly didn't make it to race at all thanks to his ineptitude.

<opens imaginary rule-book>

Exactly, Campos never competed as a Team Principle. He was an F1 Team Principle in the same way that Peter Windsor was an F1 Team Principle. Campos was never on the pit-wall biting his nails like Prost, or pretending everything was on target like Lauda.

Whether competing or not he was still Team Principle & still was a bit of a failure at the job.

I don´t agree since Campos successfully runned his own team in lower-formulae ... HRT was a completely different thing IMO

If it was a completely different thing then running Formula Muppet or whatever isn't really relevant.

eagleash wrote:Whether competing or not he was still Team Principle & still was a bit of a failure at the job.

Actually, has there ever been a Reject Team Principle thread or discussion? Campos and Windsor would rank equally rejectfully for me.

As would Craig Pollock.

I feel pretty okay about Perez-Sala. No one can overdo Kolles but still..

P.S. forum 70000 post get!

Aerond wrote:

eagleash wrote:
Whether competing or not he was still Team Principle & still was a bit of a failure at the job.

I don´t agree since Campos successfully runned his own team in lower-formulae ... HRT was a completely different thing IMO

But we're applying this rule only to Formula 1 teams.

Are we to assume that (despite the same chassis) that Campos Meta aren't the same team as Hispania, in the same way that FIRST arent the same as Life?

Anyway, news of LP-S being team boss has put a smile on my face, but I doubt it will make a difference...

WeirdKerr go ho..... oh wait thats me and i am... lol

Well Frau Kolles will be pleased to see him I expect...maybe not.....

eagleash wrote:Well Frau Kolles will be pleased to see him I expect...maybe not.....

Perhaps Frau Kolles had a campaign going which said:"Colin Kolles go work".