Grand Prix Rejects

I've found a solution for Ensign's financial problems: Merge the team with Theodore and tell Brabham to get stuffed as Theodore ran a customer Ensign during the 1977 season.

pi314159 wrote:

BaconLettuceNinja wrote:Could I possibly drop Fittipaldi and take up Renault?

If that's ok, we'd be interested in Jean-Pierre Jabouille and Rene Arnoux.

You can run Renault in 1977. Do you want to run Fittipaldi until the end of 1976,or do you want to drop them now?

I'll drop them now.

pi314159 wrote:As Penske and Parnelli didn't continue / only continued as customer chassis in real life, how are you going to name your new cars? Penske PC5 and Parnelli VPJ5?

The logic dictates that the serial numbers continues. That and I'm too lazy to think on another one.

I would like to continue with Hesketh with 1977 spec Ford engines. I would like to keep Patrick Tambay and John Watson, but we would listen to offers for these drivers. We would also like to give a 19 year old Eddie Cheevar a one off race in the US West GP with an option on him for the rest of the season.

Hesketh will not attend the first three fly away races of Argentina, Brazil or South Africa to save some money.

Ferrari would like to assert that Niki Lauda will be driving for the Scuderia in 1977. However Jody Scheckter has been far slower and will be dropped if another driver is signed (Villeneuve/Fittipaldi/Reutemann in that order)

The issue of chassis designation has become a non-issue for Penske, since I would like to retire from this game for the 1977 season onwards. It's nothing personal but I for my part have noticed that I am involved in too many virtual series to give each the attention it deserves.

Klon wrote:The issue of chassis designation has become a non-issue for Penske, since I would like to retire from this game for the 1977 season onwards. It's nothing personal but I for my part have noticed that I am involved in too many virtual series to give each the attention it deserves.

OK, then I will add Penske to the list of available teams.

Brabham would like to keep Clay Reggazoni and offer him 250.000. We wopuld also like to run a third car for Rolf Stomellen and Harald Ertl at selcted events.

pasta_maldonado wrote:Brabham would like to keep Clay Reggazoni and offer him 250.000. We wopuld also like to run a third car for Rolf Stomellen and Harald Ertl at selcted events.

Stommelen's mine. Keep your hands off! Stucks free though

takagi_for_the_win wrote:

pasta_maldonado wrote:Brabham would like to keep Clay Reggazoni and offer him 250.000. We wopuld also like to run a third car for Rolf Stomellen and Harald Ertl at selcted events.

Stommelen's mine. Keep your hands off! Stucks free though

Hans Stuck will do.

takagi_for_the_win wrote:Shadow will dump the DFVs we were using last season, and become Ferraris custmer team

We will resign Jarier as our lead driver for next season, with Stommelen coming back to be our second driver and Lombardi will be our third entry in selected races. Offer them all 5% pay rises. If for any reason one of them declines the offer, Stuck can deputise.

Since Klon has left the series, the Ferrari engines are yours.

Apollon would like to receive $100,000 in extra support to get the team off the ground so we can make it to about half of the races this year.

Ferrari will offer Gilles Villeneuve 250,000 to race for Ferrari. And there ain't nothing Ensign can do about it unless they can offer more money!

tristan1117 wrote:Apollon would like to receive $100,000 in extra support to get the team off the ground so we can make it to about half of the races this year.

Yes, you're right, 400.000 isn't enough to run a team, I increased Apollon's and McGuire's budgets to 600.000

kostas22 wrote:Ferrari will offer Gilles Villeneuve 250,000 to race for Ferrari. And there ain't nothing Ensign can do about it unless they can offer more money!

Are you just deliberately trying to piss me off? Ensign is willing to offer to pay half of his salary if he goes to another team that isn't Ferrari. They will also match your offer for the maen time

eurobrun wrote:

kostas22 wrote:Ferrari will offer Gilles Villeneuve 250,000 to race for Ferrari. And there ain't nothing Ensign can do about it unless they can offer more money!

Are you just deliberately trying to piss me off? Ensign is willing to offer to pay half of his salary if he goes to another team that isn't Ferrari. They will also match your offer for the maen time

What is wrong with you? Why is everything so personal? I don't give a damn who Gilles Villeneuve is driving for, just give me Gilles! I want him in my team more than Lauda for freaks sake. Why don't you understand the Villeneuve-Ferrari thing? He is one of my favourite drivers beacuse he was freaking crazy and would never give up. Stop making this a war, I want Villeneuve and I don't care who I'm taking him from. It could be Ensign, it could be Brabham, it could be Shadow, it could me Maki, I don't care.

Also, correct me if I'm wrong, but your team is broke, so how can you offer any money at all? And why would GV stay at a tiny independent single car team when a manufacturer gave him an offer? In real life Ensign wouldn't stand a chance at keeping a driver against McLaren, Tyrrell, Ferrari, etc.

kostas22 wrote:

eurobrun wrote:

kostas22 wrote:Ferrari will offer Gilles Villeneuve 250,000 to race for Ferrari. And there ain't nothing Ensign can do about it unless they can offer more money!

Are you just deliberately trying to piss me off? Ensign is willing to offer to pay half of his salary if he goes to another team that isn't Ferrari. They will also match your offer for the maen time

What is wrong with you? Why is everything so personal? I don't give a damn who Gilles Villeneuve is driving for, just give me Gilles! I want him in my team more than Lauda for freaks sake. Why don't you understand the Villeneuve-Ferrari thing? He is one of my favourite drivers beacuse he was freaking crazy and would never give up. Stop making this a war, I want Villeneuve and I don't care who I'm taking him from. It could be Ensign, it could be Brabham, it could be Shadow, it could me Maki, I don't care.

Also, correct me if I'm wrong, but your team is broke, so how can you offer any money at all? And why would GV stay at a tiny independent single car team when a manufacturer gave him an offer? In real life Ensign wouldn't stand a chance at keeping a driver against McLaren, Tyrrell, Ferrari, etc.

It's just that you came in to this league mid-season ane immediately denanded to get what you want, I really hate it when people do that.

kostas22 wrote:

eurobrun wrote:

kostas22 wrote:Ferrari will offer Gilles Villeneuve 250,000 to race for Ferrari. And there ain't nothing Ensign can do about it unless they can offer more money!

Are you just deliberately trying to piss me off? Ensign is willing to offer to pay half of his salary if he goes to another team that isn't Ferrari. They will also match your offer for the maen time

What is wrong with you? Why is everything so personal? I don't give a damn who Gilles Villeneuve is driving for, just give me Gilles! I want him in my team more than Lauda for freaks sake. Why don't you understand the Villeneuve-Ferrari thing? He is one of my favourite drivers beacuse he was freaking crazy and would never give up. Stop making this a war, I want Villeneuve and I don't care who I'm taking him from. It could be Ensign, it could be Brabham, it could be Shadow, it could me Maki, I don't care.

Also, correct me if I'm wrong, but your team is broke, so how can you offer any money at all? And why would GV stay at a tiny independent single car team when a manufacturer gave him an offer? In real life Ensign wouldn't stand a chance at keeping a driver against McLaren, Tyrrell, Ferrari, etc.

I would like to propose you an excellent alternative to Villeneuve, in the name of Kawashima! Way more epic than Villeneuve will ever be

eurobrun wrote:

kostas22 wrote:Also, correct me if I'm wrong, but your team is broke, so how can you offer any money at all? And why would GV stay at a tiny independent single car team when a manufacturer gave him an offer? In real life Ensign wouldn't stand a chance at keeping a driver against McLaren, Tyrrell, Ferrari, etc.

It's just that you came in to this league mid-season ane immediately denanded to get what you want, I really hate it when people do that.

At the end of the day though, who in their right mind would reject an offer from Ferrari to stay at Ensign? Especially when the driver in question is one with a fondness for Ferrari. Sometimes you have to pick your battles.

BlindCaveSalamander wrote:

eurobrun wrote:

kostas22 wrote:Also, correct me if I'm wrong, but your team is broke, so how can you offer any money at all? And why would GV stay at a tiny independent single car team when a manufacturer gave him an offer? In real life Ensign wouldn't stand a chance at keeping a driver against McLaren, Tyrrell, Ferrari, etc.

It's just that you came in to this league mid-season ane immediately denanded to get what you want, I really hate it when people do that.

At the end of the day though, who in their right mind would reject an offer from Ferrari to stay at Ensign? Especially when the driver in question is one with a fondness for Ferrari. Sometimes you have to pick your battles.

Still, kostas was being an idiot and so in my opinion he shoudnt get rewarded for that

eurobrun wrote:

BlindCaveSalamander wrote:

eurobrun wrote:It's just that you came in to this league mid-season ane immediately denanded to get what you want, I really hate it when people do that.

At the end of the day though, who in their right mind would reject an offer from Ferrari to stay at Ensign? Especially when the driver in question is one with a fondness for Ferrari. Sometimes you have to pick your battles.

Still, kostas was being an idiot and so in my opinion he shoudnt get rewarded for that

There is a difference between being an "idiot" and someone taking something from you. Your age has been showing a lot lately, acting much like the real life Ferrari and throwing your toys out of the pram. I'm well within my rights to ask for things. Just because you don't like it doesn't give you license to start calling people idiots and so on. I think maybe you need a break from this, or perhaps some self-reflection. Name calling and whining is not the answer. You're a stranger on a forum, I don't actually know you so I have no good reason to bother wasting my energy and time screwing you over.

And that is the nature of competition, the big fish come along and steal from the little fish. You should have seen this coming when you picked said driver while running such a small team. I wanted Ferrari when this thread was opened but Phoenix was online first and beat me to it, I only jumped in mid-season because I waited for it to free up again. I'd have never picked Scheckter, I'd have gone for Peterson or Villeneuve from the start along with Lauda.

kostas22 wrote:

eurobrun wrote:

BlindCaveSalamander wrote:
At the end of the day though, who in their right mind would reject an offer from Ferrari to stay at Ensign? Especially when the driver in question is one with a fondness for Ferrari. Sometimes you have to pick your battles.

Still, kostas was being an idiot and so in my opinion he shoudnt get rewarded for that

There is a difference between being an "idiot" and someone taking something from you. Your age has been showing a lot lately, acting much like the real life Ferrari and throwing your toys out of the pram. I'm well within my rights to ask for things. Just because you don't like it doesn't give you license to start calling people idiots and so on. I think maybe you need a break from this, or perhaps some self-reflection. Name calling and whining is not the answer. You're a stranger on a forum, I don't actually know you so I have no good reason to bother wasting my energy and time screwing you over.

And that is the nature of competition, the big fish come along and steal from the little fish. You should have seen this coming when you picked said driver while running such a small team. I wanted Ferrari when this thread was opened but Phoenix was online first and beat me to it, I only jumped in mid-season because I waited for it to free up again. I'd have never picked Scheckter, I'd have gone for Peterson or Villeneuve from the start along with Lauda.

I find it ironic how i'm not allowed to call you an idiot but you have called me an idiot before (in the GPM2 chairman game). I don't see how you can say that you are any better than me.

And I would have chosen a better team but by the time I first saw this thread all the good teams were taken

I'm considering running McGuire along with Ligier for 1977 but do I have to run Brian McGuire as the driver or can I pick someone else?

Wizzie wrote:I'm considering running McGuire along with Ligier for 1977 but do I have to run Brian McGuire as the driver or can I pick someone else?

Yes you can run someone different.

pi314159 wrote:

Wizzie wrote:I'm considering running McGuire along with Ligier for 1977 but do I have to run Brian McGuire as the driver or can I pick someone else?

Yes you can run someone different.

Good. Might as well give Gijs van Lennep something to do during the European season

eurobrun wrote:

kostas22 wrote:

eurobrun wrote:Still, kostas was being an idiot and so in my opinion he shoudnt get rewarded for that

There is a difference between being an "idiot" and someone taking something from you. Your age has been showing a lot lately, acting much like the real life Ferrari and throwing your toys out of the pram. I'm well within my rights to ask for things. Just because you don't like it doesn't give you license to start calling people idiots and so on. I think maybe you need a break from this, or perhaps some self-reflection. Name calling and whining is not the answer. You're a stranger on a forum, I don't actually know you so I have no good reason to bother wasting my energy and time screwing you over.

And that is the nature of competition, the big fish come along and steal from the little fish. You should have seen this coming when you picked said driver while running such a small team. I wanted Ferrari when this thread was opened but Phoenix was online first and beat me to it, I only jumped in mid-season because I waited for it to free up again. I'd have never picked Scheckter, I'd have gone for Peterson or Villeneuve from the start along with Lauda.

I find it ironic how i'm not allowed to call you an idiot but you have called me an idiot before (in the GPM2 chairman game). I don't see how you can say that you are any better than me.

And I would have chosen a better team but by the time I first saw this thread all the good teams were taken

What part of "in character" do you not understand???

kostas22 wrote:

eurobrun wrote:

kostas22 wrote:There is a difference between being an "idiot" and someone taking something from you. Your age has been showing a lot lately, acting much like the real life Ferrari and throwing your toys out of the pram. I'm well within my rights to ask for things. Just because you don't like it doesn't give you license to start calling people idiots and so on. I think maybe you need a break from this, or perhaps some self-reflection. Name calling and whining is not the answer. You're a stranger on a forum, I don't actually know you so I have no good reason to bother wasting my energy and time screwing you over.

And that is the nature of competition, the big fish come along and steal from the little fish. You should have seen this coming when you picked said driver while running such a small team. I wanted Ferrari when this thread was opened but Phoenix was online first and beat me to it, I only jumped in mid-season because I waited for it to free up again. I'd have never picked Scheckter, I'd have gone for Peterson or Villeneuve from the start along with Lauda.

I find it ironic how i'm not allowed to call you an idiot but you have called me an idiot before (in the GPM2 chairman game). I don't see how you can say that you are any better than me.

And I would have chosen a better team but by the time I first saw this thread all the good teams were taken

What part of "in character" do you not understand???

I think that it is not easy to determine what is said in and out of character unless it is blatantly obvious. And please don't treat me like I'm stupid

Ferrari would like to reiterate they are offering Gilles Villeneuve an improved 275.000 contract, and asks Ensign to stop playing the victim card.

kostas22 wrote:Ferrari would like to reiterate they are offering Gilles Villeneuve an improved 275.000 contract, and asks Ensign to stop playing the victim card.

And Ensign tells Ferrari to stop acting like they are better than everyone else and restate their offer to pay half the price of his salary at another team.

This is all in character now

Wizzie wrote:

pi314159 wrote:

Wizzie wrote:I'm considering running McGuire along with Ligier for 1977 but do I have to run Brian McGuire as the driver or can I pick someone else?

Yes you can run someone different.

Good. Might as well give Gijs van Lennep something to do during the European season

And yes, for the record this means that I'll run McGuire for 1977 with van Lennep unless someone without a team wants to take it from me instead

eurobrun wrote:

kostas22 wrote:Ferrari would like to reiterate they are offering Gilles Villeneuve an improved 275.000 contract, and asks Ensign to stop playing the victim card.

And Ensign tells Ferrari to stop acting like they are better than everyone else and restate their offer to pay half the price of his salary at another team.

This is all in character now

We never said we were better than McLaren, who, in fairness, have done an excellent job this season and uncovered a real gem in Tom Pryce. But looking at the constructors standings, even if we remove our better driver from the points standings, we are still ahead of Ensign...

kostas22 wrote:

eurobrun wrote:

kostas22 wrote:Ferrari would like to reiterate they are offering Gilles Villeneuve an improved 275.000 contract, and asks Ensign to stop playing the victim card.

And Ensign tells Ferrari to stop acting like they are better than everyone else and restate their offer to pay half the price of his salary at another team.

This is all in character now

We never said we were better than McLaren, who, in fairness, have done an excellent job this season and uncovered a real gem in Tom Pryce. But looking at the constructors standings, even if we remove our better driver from the points standings, we are still ahead of Ensign...

I meant better as in more important, which Ferrari is not. Ensign believes that all F1 teams are equally important

In other news, I'd like to take over Penske. But it would be nice if someone could say 2-3 sentences about my team. Like, do I have to sign new drivers, a new car and a new engine? Would be nice, if someone might explain it to me.

Ferrarist wrote:In other news, I'd like to take over Penske. But it would be nice if someone could say 2-3 sentences about my team. Like, do I have to sign new drivers, a new car and a new engine? Would be nice, if someone might explain it to me.

Well, Penske scored a few points in the first half of last year but have been anonymous ever since. As far as drivers go, you can either keep the current lineup of Jochen Mass and Jocko Maggiacomo or sign two new drivers. As far as I know, Jody Schekter is the biggest name on the market but there are some promising guys you can sign. In terms of engines, you can sign any from the first few posts of the thread with the exceptions of Ferrari and Renault as all the slots have been taken for them.

Wizzie wrote:

Ferrarist wrote:In other news, I'd like to take over Penske. But it would be nice if someone could say 2-3 sentences about my team. Like, do I have to sign new drivers, a new car and a new engine? Would be nice, if someone might explain it to me.

Well, Penske scored a few points in the first half of last year but have been anonymous ever since. As far as drivers go, you can either keep the current lineup of Jochen Mass and Jocko Maggiacomo or sign two new drivers. As far as I know, Jody Schekter is the biggest name on the market but there are some promising guys you can sign. In terms of engines, you can sign any from the first few posts of the thread with the exceptions of Ferrari and Renault as all the slots have been taken for them.

If I was taking over Penske, idealistically I'd dump both drivers. You might want to hang on to Mass though, if you can't secure 2 drivers who are better.

BlindCaveSalamander wrote:

Wizzie wrote:

Ferrarist wrote:In other news, I'd like to take over Penske. But it would be nice if someone could say 2-3 sentences about my team. Like, do I have to sign new drivers, a new car and a new engine? Would be nice, if someone might explain it to me.

Well, Penske scored a few points in the first half of last year but have been anonymous ever since. As far as drivers go, you can either keep the current lineup of Jochen Mass and Jocko Maggiacomo or sign two new drivers. As far as I know, Jody Schekter is the biggest name on the market but there are some promising guys you can sign. In terms of engines, you can sign any from the first few posts of the thread with the exceptions of Ferrari and Renault as all the slots have been taken for them.

If I was taking over Penske, idealistically I'd dump both drivers. You might want to hang on to Mass though, if you can't secure 2 drivers who are better.

Yeah. I'd get rid of Maggiacomo for sure and try to see if you can put Schekter in one of the cars for next year.

Car developement starts when 1976 is over.

Thanks guys!

Yeah, I'm gonna drop Jose whatshisname for sure. Not sure about Mass though. Too bad I have to wait for my budget, before I can make any plans for drivers. Scheckter sounds promising, but I don't if I'll be able to fund his drive. But I'll definitely try to sign a promising young driver for sure.

We're pleased with the two drivers we've signed. In Jabouille, we've got a driver who's feedback is second-to-none and is also able to help design parts of the car. In Arnoux, we've got a top driver who can call upon some natural racing ability to ensure that our season works out well. He cites the fact we've got a turbo car as the biggest reason for joining.

If we can at least score some points this season, we'll be quite pleased despite the fact that we're testing a lot of new innovations.

BaconLettuceNinja wrote:We're pleased with the two drivers we've signed. In Jabouille, we've got a driver who's feedback is second-to-none and is also able to help design parts of the car. In Arnoux, we've got a top driver who can call upon some natural racing ability to ensure that our season works out well. He cites the fact we've got a turbo car as the biggest reason for joining.

If we can at least score some points this season, we'll be quite pleased despite the fact that we're testing a lot of new innovations.

If for any reason you end up being disappointed in either of your drivers, Ligier will be more than happy to run one of them and loan Brambilla as a temporary replacement in return for a long-term deal for your engines.