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Posted: **18 May 2013, 13:55**

Jocke1 wrote:Anyone else noticed the med-kit in the 1950 image? At least someone thought about safety.

Not really. I was just noticing what is probably the only existing photo of the epic battle for second-last between Bob Gerard and forum-favourite Johnny Claes.

Posted: **21 May 2013, 23:40**

Since the start of the current millenium and onwards, my two favourite moments from the Monaco GP would have to be the attempts to start the 2000 race proper.
I mean, what was it? Three re-starts? I enjoy it when unexpected things occur, and that day certainly was the case.
I remember Button and Zonta and two other drivers getting out of their cars at Loews and together they jogged all the way down to portier and kept on jogging, with their helmets still on, all the way through the harbour and past the tunnel on towards the grid for the re-start.
It was a funny sight that has remained in my memory.

The other one is from the race the next year, 2001. And those 35 laps that Bernoldi kept David Coulthard behind him. It was pure comedy gold.
Bernoldi got a lot of heat post race, but I thought he did a great thing. It's what I remember him for, that race defined him for me afterwards, his ability to not make any mistake (albeit at a reduced pace) and his strong will to stand up for himself against DC, Dennis and Haug, and that 'worst teammate'-quote from Verstappen three months later. That remark from 'the Boss' on Enrique, and his running into Montoya earlier the same year, made me lose a lot of respect for him (JV).

When you talk of Monaco and great racers, it's most frequently Michael Schumacher, Graham Hill, Alain Prost and Ayrton Senna that gets the most attention.
But I felt like looking at some other guys that almost always were exceptional around the streets (in recent times):

Eddie Irvine:
1995 for Jordan - Without a wheel DNF, a 5th or 6th place finish would have been a lock in his first Monaco GP.
1996 for Ferrari - Collision DNF with seven laps to go, but was running in third for a long time and had he not collided he would have
finished in 5th place probably.
1997 - 3rd on the podium.
1998 - 3rd on the podium.
1999 - 2nd on the podium.
2000 for Jaguar - 4th place finish.
2001 - 3rd on the podium.

David Coulthard:
1995 - Gearbox DNF, otherwise a 3-4 place finish would have been a lock.
1996 - 2nd on the podium.
1998 - Engine DNF, otherwise a 2nd place finish was surely his.
1999 - Gearbox DNF, otherwise 4-5 place was his.
2000 - Winner.
2001 - Would have probably won if not for his demotion to the back of the grid.
Pole and 0.346 faster best lap compared to Schumacher.
2002 - Winner.
2003 - 7th and two points.
2006 - 3rd on the podium for Red Bull.
Red Bull's very first podium finish.

Jean Alesi:
1990 - 2nd on the podium for Tyrrell in his first Monaco GP.
1991 - 3rd on the podium for Ferrari.
1992 - Gearbox DNF, otherwise a 5th place was probably his.
1993 - 3rd on the podium for Ferrari again.
1994 - 5th place finish.
1995 - Collision DNF, otherwise a podium finish was most likely.
Fastest lap of the race.
1996 - Suspension DNF, otherwise would have won the race.
Fastest lap of the race again.
1998 - Gearbox DNF, otherwise he would have had a 5th place finish in the bag.
2000 - Transmission DNF, otherwise points would have been quite likely.
He ran ahead of Barrichello, Fisichella, Irvine and Salo for 29 laps until the transmission failed.
Those drivers finished 2nd-5th respectively. They all had faster best laps than Alesi, though. So 6th place
might have been possible with no malfunctions.
2001 - Finished 6th for Prost.
A puncture eight laps from the end cost him 5th place.

Mark Webber:
2002 - Finished 11th for Minardi.
2004 - Transmisson DNF, otherwise 5-6 place was likely.
2005 - 3rd on the podium.
2006 - Exhaust DNF, otherwise 2nd place would have been his most likely.
2007 - Gearbox DNF, otherwise could have fought for 6th place probably.
2008 - Finished 4th.
2009 - Finished 5th.
2010 - Winner.
2011 - Finished 4th.
2012 - Winner.

Mika Salo:
1996 - Finished 5th.
1997 - Finished 5th.
1998 - Finished 4th.
2000 - Finished 5th.

Rubens Barrichello:
1993 - Finished 9th for Jordan in his first Monaco GP.
1995 - Throttle DNF, would have been 7th.
1997 - 2nd on the podium for Stewart.
1999 - Accident seven laps from the end prevented a 5th place finish.
2000 - 2nd on the podium for Ferrari.
2001 - 2nd on the podium again.
2004 - 3rd on the podium.
2006 - Finished 4th for Honda.
2008 - Finished 6th.
2009 - Finished 2nd.

Robert Kubica:
2007 - Finished 5th for Sauber in his first Monaco GP.
2008 - 2nd on the podium.
2010 - 3rd on the podium.

Juan Pablo Montoya:
2002 - Engine DNF, otherwise would have fought MSC for 2nd place.
2003 - Winner.
2004 - Finished 4th.
2005 - Finished 5th.
2006 - 2nd on the podium.

Posted: **22 May 2013, 01:41**

Jocke1 wrote:When you talk of Monaco and great racers, it's most frequently Michael Schumacher, Graham Hill, Alain Prost and Ayrton Senna that gets the most attention.
But I felt like looking at some other guys that almost always were exceptional around the streets (in recent times):

Robert Kubica:
2007 - Finished 5th for Sauber in his first Monaco GP.
2008 - 2nd on the podium.
2010 - 3rd on the podium.

If it wasn't for Hamilton having the luck of the gods in 2008, he would've won that race. And could've won in 2010 if Mark Webber wasn't in the form of his life.

Posted: **22 May 2013, 04:34**

Jocke1 wrote:Eddie Irvine
1996 for Ferrari - Collision DNF with seven laps to go, but was running in third for a long time and had he not collided he would have
finished in 5th place probably.

Eddie's 1996 Monaco GP was easily one of the most pathetic drives of his career, as he spent the entire afternoon holding most of the field up at the better part of three seconds a lap and just generally being useless :lol:

Posted: **22 May 2013, 07:00**

Pastor Maldonado has always gone well at Monaco in his junior career, and made it to Q3 in 2011 and 2012 in F1. If he can make it to the finish line this year, he should be Williams' best hope for points.

Posted: **22 May 2013, 15:10**

Backmarker wrote:Pastor Maldonado has always gone well at Monaco in his junior career, and made it to Q3 in 2011 and 2012 in F1. If he can make it to the finish line this year, he should be Williams' best hope for points.

Remember last year where Maldonado was just being a useless tool causing carnage from the swipe with Perez to rear-ending De la Rosa not to mention earning ROTR from Enoch. Yep Maldonado proved that weekend why he was Monaco's master of disaster in 2012

Posted: **22 May 2013, 17:17**

Kimi-ICE wrote:Yep Maldonado proved that weekend why he's called the Reverend by being Monaco's master of disaster

Wut. Maldonado is called the Reverend because 'Pastor' is a religious title.

Posted: **22 May 2013, 17:32**

BlindCaveSalamander wrote:
Kimi-ICE wrote:Yep Maldonado proved that weekend why he's called the Reverend by being Monaco's master of disaster

Wut. Maldonado is called the Reverend because 'Pastor' is a religious title.

Perhaps Kimi-ICE has had problems with a member of the clergy in the past. Someone phone Operation Yewtree.

Posted: **22 May 2013, 17:48**

CoopsII wrote:
BlindCaveSalamander wrote:
Kimi-ICE wrote:Yep Maldonado proved that weekend why he's called the Reverend by being Monaco's master of disaster

Wut. Maldonado is called the Reverend because 'Pastor' is a religious title.

Perhaps Kimi-ICE has had problems with a member of the clergy in the past. Someone phone Operation Yewtree.

I ain't religious at all lads. I just didn't know why people call Maldonado the reverend. Me going to church is about as likely as Johnny Cecotto becoming a good boy

Posted: **22 May 2013, 18:41**

Kimi-ICE wrote:I ain't religious at all lads. I just didn't know why people call Maldonado the reverend. Me going to church is about as likely as Johnny Cecotto becoming a good boy

I'm not religious either, but that doesn't preclude me from knowing things about Christianity. Though admittedly most of what I know comes from Paradox games.

Posted: **22 May 2013, 19:05**

If looks could kill...

Good thing there were no champagne glasses around.

Posted: **22 May 2013, 19:09**

BlindCaveSalamander wrote:
Kimi-ICE wrote:I ain't religious at all lads. I just didn't know why people call Maldonado the reverend. Me going to church is about as likely as Johnny Cecotto becoming a good boy

I'm not religious either, but that doesn't preclude me from knowing things about Christianity. Though admittedly most of what I know comes from Paradox games.

I'm not religious either, but that doesn't preclude me from knowing things about Christianity. Though admittedly most of what I know comes from watching 'Life of Brian'.

Posted: **22 May 2013, 19:10**

Jocke1 wrote:If looks could kill...

Good thing there were no champagne glasses around.

Yikes that is frightening.

Meanwhile Hulkenberg looks lost and Grosjean is giving his best owl impression. Childish humour maybe, but these driver conferences offer nothing of value until the championship fight heats up in the final rounds.

Posted: **22 May 2013, 19:25**

Jocke1 wrote:When you talk of Monaco and great racers, it's most frequently Michael Schumacher, Graham Hill, Alain Prost and Ayrton Senna that gets the most attention.
But I felt like looking at some other guys that almost always were exceptional around the streets (in recent times):

Eddie Irvine:
1995 for Jordan - Without a wheel DNF, a 5th or 6th place finish would have been a lock in his first Monaco GP.
1996 for Ferrari - Collision DNF with seven laps to go, but was running in third for a long time and had he not collided he would have
finished in 5th place probably.
1997 - 3rd on the podium.
1998 - 3rd on the podium.
1999 - 2nd on the podium.
2000 for Jaguar - 4th place finish.
2001 - 3rd on the podium.

David Coulthard:
1995 - Gearbox DNF, otherwise a 3-4 place finish would have been a lock.
1996 - 2nd on the podium.
1998 - Engine DNF, otherwise a 2nd place finish was surely his.
1999 - Gearbox DNF, otherwise 4-5 place was his.
2000 - Winner.
2001 - Would have probably won if not for his demotion to the back of the grid.
Pole and 0.346 faster best lap compared to Schumacher.
2002 - Winner.
2003 - 7th and two points.
2006 - 3rd on the podium for Red Bull.
Red Bull's very first podium finish.

Jean Alesi:
1990 - 2nd on the podium for Tyrrell in his first Monaco GP.
1991 - 3rd on the podium for Ferrari.
1992 - Gearbox DNF, otherwise a 5th place was probably his.
1993 - 3rd on the podium for Ferrari again.
1994 - 5th place finish.
1995 - Collision DNF, otherwise a podium finish was most likely.
Fastest lap of the race.
1996 - Suspension DNF, otherwise would have won the race.
Fastest lap of the race again.
1998 - Gearbox DNF, otherwise he would have had a 5th place finish in the bag.
2000 - Transmission DNF, otherwise points would have been quite likely.
He ran ahead of Barrichello, Fisichella, Irvine and Salo for 29 laps until the transmission failed.
Those drivers finished 2nd-5th respectively. They all had faster best laps than Alesi, though. So 6th place
might have been possible with no malfunctions.
2001 - Finished 6th for Prost.
A puncture eight laps from the end cost him 5th place.

Mark Webber:
2002 - Finished 11th for Minardi.
2004 - Transmisson DNF, otherwise 5-6 place was likely.
2005 - 3rd on the podium.
2006 - Exhaust DNF, otherwise 2nd place would have been his most likely.
2007 - Gearbox DNF, otherwise could have fought for 6th place probably.
2008 - Finished 4th.
2009 - Finished 5th.
2010 - Winner.
2011 - Finished 4th.
2012 - Winner.

Mika Salo:
1996 - Finished 5th.
1997 - Finished 5th.
1998 - Finished 4th.
2000 - Finished 5th.

Rubens Barrichello:
1993 - Finished 9th for Jordan in his first Monaco GP.
1995 - Throttle DNF, would have been 7th.
1997 - 2nd on the podium for Stewart.
1999 - Accident seven laps from the end prevented a 5th place finish.
2000 - 2nd on the podium for Ferrari.
2001 - 2nd on the podium again.
2004 - 3rd on the podium.
2006 - Finished 4th for Honda.
2008 - Finished 6th.
2009 - Finished 2nd.

Robert Kubica:
2007 - Finished 5th for Sauber in his first Monaco GP.
2008 - 2nd on the podium.
2010 - 3rd on the podium.

Juan Pablo Montoya:
2002 - Engine DNF, otherwise would have fought MSC for 2nd place.
2003 - Winner.
2004 - Finished 4th.
2005 - Finished 5th.
2006 - 2nd on the podium.

Adrian Sutil:
2007 - Topped a wet practice session in what was clearly the worst car on the grid
2008 - Was close to a 4th place finish until Raikkonen hit him, once again in the worst car on the grid
2009 - Made Q2 for the first time in his career
2010 - Finished 8th
2011 - Finished 7th, Force India's best result of the season up until that point

Shadaza wrote:but these driver conferences offer nothing of value until the championship fight heats up in the final rounds.

Unless Kimi Raikkonen is part of it.

Posted: **22 May 2013, 19:40**

The sad thing is, even if Kimi hadn't slid into him, Sutil wouldn't have scored points in 2008 because he had a 25 second penalty for overtaking under yellows.

Posted: **22 May 2013, 21:54**

East Londoner wrote:The sad thing is, even if Kimi hadn't slid into him, Sutil wouldn't have scored points in 2008 because he had a 25 second penalty for overtaking under yellows.

Posted: **23 May 2013, 04:27**

Svenko Wankerov wrote:
East Londoner wrote:The sad thing is, even if Kimi hadn't slid into him, Sutil wouldn't have scored points in 2008 because he had a 25 second penalty for overtaking under yellows.

...

Before someone else has to do it:

Posted: **23 May 2013, 07:39**

This could be awesome

Posted: **23 May 2013, 07:53**

eurobrun wrote:This could be awesome

The French electronic duo recently dropped their long awaited fourth studio album Random Access Memories after five years in the making.

Ooh butter fingers! I do like it when F1 teams do things like this. The movie-tie ins Red Bull did were great (clone troopers doing pit-stops? Like that do I). Toyotas Jarno Trulli riding the bat pod was a bit embarrasing though, it looked like he was making lurve to it...

Posted: **23 May 2013, 09:35**

A quite promising display from P. Maldonado in the first FP. Hopefully he can continue with this form.

Posted: **23 May 2013, 10:13**

I thought Fisico was very good in Monaco too!

1996: First race, collided with Lamy.
1997: 6th in the Jordan
1998: 2nd with Benetton
1999: 2nd with Benetton
2000: 3rd with Benetton
2001: DNF (hit wall when running 6th in that dog of a car)
2002: 5th in the Jordan Honda
2003: 10th in the Jordan Ford
2004: DNF in the Sauber
2005: DNF in the Renault
2006: 6th for Renault
2007: 4th for Renault
2008: DNF in Force India
2009: 9th (just outside points) for Force India

Posted: **23 May 2013, 10:18**

David AGS wrote:I thought Fisico was very good in Monaco too!

As it is well known, Fisico was very good everywhere whenever his car wasn't up to it.

Posted: **23 May 2013, 12:09**

I'm watching Practice 2 right now and GVDG is on fire! Not literally.

Edit:

Ohh Romain...

Posted: **23 May 2013, 14:48**

Vettel's whining once again :roll:

Quite frankly sick of all the whining about the tyres. I actually want Pirelli to turn around and tell the teams to get stuffed.

Posted: **23 May 2013, 15:43**

East Londoner wrote:Vettel's whining once again

Quite frankly sick of all the whining about the tyres. I actually want Pirelli to turn around and tell the teams to get stuffed.

I agree with Vettel. Too many random tyre delaminations this season. Don't think the tyres are 100% safe.

Posted: **23 May 2013, 15:55**

East Londoner wrote:Vettel's whining once again

Quite frankly sick of all the whining about the tyres. I actually want Pirelli to turn around and tell the teams to get stuffed.

I've stopped reading any news that have Red Bull related words, like 'Vettel' and the word 'tyres' or 'tyre' in the title. From now on I will only read, or get concerned, about tyre related news if it has nothing to do with Whine Bull.

Posted: **23 May 2013, 15:56**

It looks like the local Birds are making a case for ROTR. In GP2 Practice Felipe Nasr came within 5 yards of running over a bird. And then in FP2 Mark Webber actually hit one. A concern maybe?

Posted: **23 May 2013, 16:07**

Mercedes quick, not so much tire wear.
Ferrari quick and looks easy to drive.
Lotus quick race pace, Grosjean being Grosjean (Potentially quicker than Raikkonen but sloppy)
Red Bull look very meh compared to the others.

Everyone else is meh, Maldonado was quick in FP1 I guess. Caterham vs Marussia is very much on.

Posted: **23 May 2013, 16:11**

Kimi-ICE wrote:It looks like the local Birds are making a case for ROTR. In GP2 Practice Felipe Nasr came within 5 yards of running over a bird. And then in FP2 Mark Webber actually hit one. A concern maybe?

Indeed. Pirelli should change the construction of those birds because it is clear that they are unsafe for F1. When hit, they blow up in feathers, blood and bones and that could clearly damage cars and engines or worst, hurt the drivers if it hits them in the head. Some teams are clearly concerned about this and thus are not driving at the full speed of the car with fear of hitting such badly constructed beasts. A top team even went as far as saying that the birds should be made of foam that would burst into harmless bubbles when hit by any part of the car. This would also be appealing to kids, specially girls, clearly helping raise F1 awareness between them and maybe bring them into liking F1.

Posted: **23 May 2013, 16:19**

Kimi-ICE wrote:It looks like the local Birds are making a case for ROTR. In GP2 Practice Felipe Nasr came within 5 yards of running over a bird. And then in FP2 Mark Webber actually hit one. A concern maybe?

I thought we had a deal with the birds? They should get out of the way.

At least that's what George Costanza says.

http://www.dailymotion.com/video/xb1tw7 ... shortfilms

"They get out of the way of our cars, we look the other way on the statue defecation."

Posted: **23 May 2013, 16:50**

Oh dear what disarray we have here

http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/107609

Posted: **23 May 2013, 20:58**

Kimi-ICE wrote:Oh dear what disarray we have here

http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/107609

Londoner, you got your wish

Posted: **23 May 2013, 22:13**

Webber for a three-peat! And van der Garde for a 10th place finish!

Posted: **23 May 2013, 22:18**

some PR excellence
http://www.speedcafe.com/2013/05/23/lot ... ic-videos/

Posted: **23 May 2013, 22:47**

East Londoner wrote:Vettel's whining once again

Quite frankly sick of all the whining about the tyres. I actually want Pirelli to turn around and tell the teams to get stuffed.

God damn, the tyres are supposed to be a variable in the racing, so if Red Bull aren't on top because of tyres, suck it up and deal with it! With Vettel and Red Bull's complaining, they're becoming a bunch of useless toolbags at the moment wanting things their way when the only way to get things their way right now is to work on the car to be better suited to the tyres. You don't bathplugging ask for the tyres to be changed in your god damn favor! Bathplug off and deal with the shite tyres Pirelli give you!

In conclusion, deal with the tyres they give you and work for the title instead of asking to have your way to get a title. F*** Red Bull.

This probably should be in the Rantbox :lol:

Posted: **23 May 2013, 23:02**

that

Posted: **23 May 2013, 23:24**

Jocke1 wrote:that

Yeah, maybe my quote should go into the Rantbox!

So far from practice, Maldonado seemed to do better :roll:

Then fell off again like a Williams FW35 would :lol:

Seriously, the Williams this year is a flat-out joke of a racing car! So is the Mercedes in terms of tyre management.

Ferrari seem pretty good at Monte Carlo, and Red Bull are either sandbagging or just not on the pace at all. If it is the latter, I'm really happy!

Button was pretty quick in second practice. He claims the car is better than it was.

Grosjean is being a tool again at Monaco :roll:

Ugh.

Posted: **24 May 2013, 07:39**

Imagine if Maldonado's improved pace leads him to end up next to Grosjean on the grid. That could be entertaining.

Posted: **24 May 2013, 07:42**

andrew2209 wrote:Imagine if Maldonado's improved pace leads him to end up next to Grosjean on the grid. That could be entertaining.

To defend Grosjean, I think he hasn't caused any collisions this season, and an error like in FP2 can happen to everyone. And he was very fast yesterday.

Posted: **24 May 2013, 08:33**

pi314159 wrote:To defend Grosjean, I think he hasn't caused any collisions this season, and an error like in FP2 can happen to everyone. And he was very fast yesterday.

Yeah, its a bit lazy to criticise Grosjean for doing what alot of drivers have done before him. He has been pretty clean this year, lets hope it continues.

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