kostas22 wrote:I have an example where more manufacturers means better racing: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bCij9mYIokA Toyota, Vauxhall, BMW, Ford, Peugeot, Nissan, Mazda all there. Yes, I know I already posted this in another thread and yes, its like this because the cars are completely different. I think what it does prove though is it's not the manufacturers causing the problems, its the rule makers. If they don't ban double diffusers etc. the racing won't be any better next year either.
Oooh, misunderstanding on the way:
In the BTCC of the early 90'es, there we're a lot of different cars, but these were run mostly by privateer teams. So it were loads of different cars, not manufacturers. Quite a difference, as having more difference in the cars would aid F1, while more manufacturers would be threatening to our sport. And besides: Apples and Oranges... Oh, and by the way, that racing in the video is not the best evor!!1!1!!
I am remembering that some team boss (might be Eddie Jordan) actually made a point on that already around 2000. I think that was after Renault had bought Benetton (they continued under Benetton name until the end of 2001) and Jaguar of course was already racing. BMW and Honda hadn't bought teams yet but were involved as engine manufacturer, Mercedes had stakes of McLaren. Toyota had confirmed that they will enter F1. I think proposal was to give the team to previous owner if manufacturer pulls out. Of course with Toyota that isn't possible because they were new team.
Waris wrote:What we need is a return to the era in which manufacturers were doing the right thing: Williams-Honda. McLaren-Honda. Williams-Renault. Brabham-BMW. Don't those sound illustrious? Privately own teams, working in association with manufacturers supplying engines and technology, a strong and powerful bond, which not only makes teams competitive, but also, should the manufacturers suddenly decide to pull out, the teams won't be left at their merit and will be able to survive. It's so simple! Manufacturers can also supply a number of other teams with customer engines, to gain even more data or something, or just for teams to have a competitive engine at an affordable price. If Cosworth makes their engines competitive then, there will also be a cheap option for poor teams, or a plan B for teams who lose engine contracts. This is the way it should be. This way, Formula One teams will be strong and healthy. McLaren-Mercedes are the only ones doing it right at this time (and Brawn-Mercedes, from next year on).
I agree, but we also need less aerodynamic cars (reduce wings size, for instance) and all the gutsy drivers we could find, like Cowboyashi! And rehash some old circuits so they could be both fun and safe.
In the BTCC of the early 90'es, there we're a lot of different cars, but these were run mostly by privateer teams. So it were loads of different cars, not manufacturers. Quite a difference, as having more difference in the cars would aid F1, while more manufacturers would be threatening to our sport. And besides: Apples and Oranges... Oh, and by the way, that racing in the video is not the best evor!!1!1!!
Disagree - these teams were all manufacturer backed. In some cases (BMW, Vauxhall spring to mind) they had second teams running customer cars.
"will you stop him playing tennis then?", referring to Montoya's famous shoulder injury, to which Whitmarsh replied "well, it's very difficult to play tennis on a motorbike"
You know, looking back through this thread, I think that I should set up a stall here selling rose tinted glasses - it seems that there is quite a strong demand for them at the moment
Martin Brundle, on watching a replay of Grosjean spinning: "The problem with Grosjean is that he want to take a look back at the corner he's just exited"
mario wrote:You know, looking back through this thread, I think that I should set up a stall here selling rose tinted glasses - it seems that there is quite a strong demand for them at the moment
"Remember when F1 was embroiled in endless controversy and teams were jumping ship on a monthly basis? Ah, happy days..."
In the BTCC of the early 90'es, there we're a lot of different cars, but these were run mostly by privateer teams. So it were loads of different cars, not manufacturers. Quite a difference, as having more difference in the cars would aid F1, while more manufacturers would be threatening to our sport. And besides: Apples and Oranges... Oh, and by the way, that racing in the video is not the best evor!!1!1!!
Disagree - these teams were all manufacturer backed. In some cases (BMW, Vauxhall spring to mind) they had second teams running customer cars.
Case in point, Vauxhall had John Cleland and Jeff Allam in the works team and John Leslie and Alex Portman in the customer Ecurie Ecosse team. Peugeot had the works Tabot Sport team and the customer Peugeot Sport Italia teams. Though he does have a point with BMW. BMW Team Mobil was run by Prodrive and BMW Team Shell Racing was run by Vic Lee (who was arrested post season for drug trafficking no less, and then got caught again 5 years ago!!!).
Novitopoli wrote:Everytime someone orders at Pizza Hut, an Italian dies.
Ahh, dodgy Vic. The mere mention of his name makes me chuckle. Suspicions were first raised because he was constantly going to the Netherlands for <cough> "Testing at Zandvoort".
I coined the term "Lewisteria". The irony is that I actually quite like Lewis Hamilton.
mario wrote:You know, looking back through this thread, I think that I should set up a stall here selling rose tinted glasses - it seems that there is quite a strong demand for them at the moment
"Remember when F1 was embroiled in endless controversy and teams were jumping ship on a monthly basis? Ah, happy days..."
I know, completely unlike the current era, where we have...oh hold on a minute... On the other hand, the presence of manufacturers is, to a certain extent, inevitable. The days of the 'garagistes' are over, now that the sport has been pumped up into a "premier motorsport competition" - and now that Bernie has succeeded in drawing in the business partners to make F1 the equivalent of the high roller in the casino, it's inevitable that some of those businesses will want to go from merely suppliers to wanting a slice of the action.
Martin Brundle, on watching a replay of Grosjean spinning: "The problem with Grosjean is that he want to take a look back at the corner he's just exited"
Oh, and by the way, that racing in the video is not the best evor!!1!1!!
