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Re: So, that leaves the second Mercedes
Posted: 18 Nov 2009, 22:51
by Salamander
shinji wrote:kostas22 wrote:So, we have the following list of drivers as potential candidates thus far:
Nick Heidfeld
Michael Schumacher
Gary Paffett
Paul di Resta
Robert Kubica
Jacques Villeneuve
HWNSNBM 
Don't forget the lesser Schumacher.
You might also want to add Kobayashi to the list.
Re: So, that leaves the second Mercedes
Posted: 18 Nov 2009, 22:53
by shinji
BlindCaveSalamander wrote:shinji wrote:kostas22 wrote:So, we have the following list of drivers as potential candidates thus far:
Nick Heidfeld
Michael Schumacher
Gary Paffett
Paul di Resta
Robert Kubica
Jacques Villeneuve
HWNSNBM
Don't forget the lesser Schumacher.
You might also want to add Kobayashi to the list.
You might want to add Kamui Kobayashi to your face.
Re: So, that leaves the second Mercedes
Posted: 18 Nov 2009, 22:56
by DemocalypseNow
BlindCaveSalamander wrote:shinji wrote:kostas22 wrote:So, we have the following list of drivers as potential candidates thus far:
Nick Heidfeld
Michael Schumacher
Gary Paffett
Paul di Resta
Robert Kubica
Jacques Villeneuve
HWNSNBM
Don't forget the lesser Schumacher.
You might also want to add Kobayashi to the list.
When I was writing that list, I said to myself to add him to the list. Yet I didn't. My brain is bathplugged up.
Re: So, that leaves the second Mercedes
Posted: 18 Nov 2009, 22:58
by Klon
shinji wrote:BlindCaveSalamander wrote:You might also want to add Kobayashi to the list.
You might want to add Kamui Kobayashi to your face.
Your momma wants to add Kamui Kobayashi to her face.
Re: So, that leaves the second Mercedes
Posted: 18 Nov 2009, 23:12
by shinji
Klon wrote:shinji wrote:BlindCaveSalamander wrote:You might also want to add Kobayashi to the list.
You might want to add Kamui Kobayashi to your face.
Your momma wants to add Kamui Kobayashi to her face.
Kamui Kobayashi
is my momma.
Re: So, that leaves the second Mercedes
Posted: 18 Nov 2009, 23:27
by Klon
shinji wrote:Kamui Kobayashi is my momma.
Re: So, that leaves the second Mercedes
Posted: 19 Nov 2009, 08:07
by CarlosFerreira
And according to Autosport, Raikkonen is "willing to consider a seat at Mercedes".
Re: So, that leaves the second Mercedes
Posted: 19 Nov 2009, 09:23
by Chewie
CarlosFerreira wrote:And according to Autosport, Raikkonen is "willing to consider a seat at Mercedes".
they should bite his hand off.
The big 3 of McLaren, Red Bull & Ferrari all have race winners and/or world champions in every seat. Mercedes are going to take that lot on with Rosberg and Heidfeld?? Not a race win between them?
Kimi should be there, and it would be a good fit and a much better season if he was.
Re: So, that leaves the second Mercedes
Posted: 19 Nov 2009, 10:47
by Collieafc
Chewie wrote:CarlosFerreira wrote:And according to Autosport, Raikkonen is "willing to consider a seat at Mercedes".
they should bite his hand off.
The big 3 of McLaren, Red Bull & Ferrari all have race winners and/or world champions in every seat. Mercedes are going to take that lot on with Rosberg and Heidfeld?? Not a race win between them?
Kimi should be there, and it would be a good fit and a much better season if he was.
Well, I'll admit his media/press conference personality would fit into a German team!
Re: So, that leaves the second Mercedes
Posted: 19 Nov 2009, 11:02
by CarlosFerreira
Chewie wrote:CarlosFerreira wrote:And according to Autosport, Raikkonen is "willing to consider a seat at Mercedes".
they should bite his hand off.
The big 3 of McLaren, Red Bull & Ferrari all have race winners and/or world champions in every seat. Mercedes are going to take that lot on with Rosberg and Heidfeld?? Not a race win between them?
Kimi should be there, and it would be a good fit and a much better season if he was.
Agreed, and to be honest the choice between Raikkonen and Heidfeld is a no-brainer.
Re: So, that leaves the second Mercedes
Posted: 19 Nov 2009, 11:30
by Jordan192
Chewie wrote:CarlosFerreira wrote:And according to Autosport, Raikkonen is "willing to consider a seat at Mercedes".
they should bite his hand off.
Maybe, but... shouldn't he be biting
their hand off? He's showing a total lack of commitment, He needs to be working for the team, not vice versa.
I'd rather have a weaker lineup this year and get Vettel in for 2011.
Re: So, that leaves the second Mercedes
Posted: 19 Nov 2009, 11:40
by Captain Hammer
Of course, Kimi wants Mercedes to come to him. I can almost hear a "thanks, but no thanks" coming from Brackley right now.
Give it to Klien instead - he's Austrian, so you get someone from the region without looking like the East German All-Stars.
Re: So, that leaves the second Mercedes
Posted: 19 Nov 2009, 12:02
by Warren Hughes
Captain Hammer wrote:Give it to Klien instead - he's Austrian, so you get someone from the region without looking like the East German All-Stars.
Little problem with that - Klien ain't good enough
Re: So, that leaves the second Mercedes
Posted: 19 Nov 2009, 15:50
by Waris
Captain Hammer wrote:Of course, Kimi wants Mercedes to come to him. I can almost hear a "thanks, but no thanks" coming from Brackley right now.
Give it to Klien instead - he's Austrian, so you get someone from the region without looking like the East German All-Stars.
Oi! Oi! Nelsinho Piquet was born in Germany...
Re: So, that leaves the second Mercedes
Posted: 19 Nov 2009, 16:41
by rffp
New silly season headlines: Schummy would be the other Mercedes driver (source: Gazzetta dello Sport).
Re: So, that leaves the second Mercedes
Posted: 19 Nov 2009, 17:48
by CarlosFerreira
It's a straight fight between Michael Schumacher and Nelsinho Piquet!
Re: So, that leaves the second Mercedes
Posted: 19 Nov 2009, 17:49
by DemocalypseNow
rffp wrote:New silly season headlines: Schummy would be the other Mercedes driver (source: Gazzetta dello Sport).
Yeah but the Gazzetta dello Sport would protest Ferrari or anyone linked to Ferrari's inoccence even if they had been the ones involved in Spygate and had already been proven guilty...you get the point.
Re: So, that leaves the second Mercedes
Posted: 19 Nov 2009, 19:38
by Phoenix
rffp wrote:New silly season headlines: Schummy would be the other Mercedes driver (source: Gazzetta dello Sport).
Do they know that Schumi is 40 and he isn't willing to return to F1? (Trying to drive for Ferrari this year subbing for Massa was an exception, and I don't think he will do the exception again for Mercedes)
Re: So, that leaves the second Mercedes
Posted: 19 Nov 2009, 20:36
by fondmetal-fond
Heinz Harald Frentzen
Re: So, that leaves the second Mercedes
Posted: 19 Nov 2009, 20:58
by rffp
fondmetal-fond wrote:Heinz Harald Frentzen
How about Bern Schneider? 20 years after...
Re: So, that leaves the second Mercedes
Posted: 19 Nov 2009, 21:01
by Phoenix
rffp wrote:fondmetal-fond wrote:Heinz Harald Frentzen
How about Bern Schneider? 20 years after...
Or Stirling Moss
Re: So, that leaves the second Mercedes
Posted: 19 Nov 2009, 21:11
by fondmetal-fond
Phoenix wrote:rffp wrote:fondmetal-fond wrote:Heinz Harald Frentzen
How about Bern Schneider? 20 years after...
Or Stirling Moss
I didn't mean Heinz Harald Frentzen should drive for Mercedes. I meant Mercedes should be run by Heinz Harald Frentzen.
The only driver for Mercedes is the one who can really push the car, get the most out of it, make it fly:
Mark Webber
(Sorry, that was bad)
Re: So, that leaves the second Mercedes
Posted: 19 Nov 2009, 22:15
by watka
I'm of the opinion that they'll go for Heidfeld this year and then bring in Vettel in his place in 2011. That is unless they nab Kubica if he is released by Renault. I'm not sure that Mercedes will quite be on the pace in 2010 (I think they could win a couple of race), but they'll be stronger in 2011.
Re: So, that leaves the second Mercedes
Posted: 19 Nov 2009, 23:18
by Ross Prawn
Kimi would be great, if Brawn can reach a deal on salary. For all of his faults he's a big asset to F1 and we need to see him in a good car.
I'm not sure about this 'all German silver arrows' concept. Do Mercedes marketing really want this? Mercedes are an international company and Teutonic superteam may not be the most positive image for them. But if Mercedes want to do this properly then Schumi is the man, 40 or not.
Kubica driving for Mercedes? Frankly this would not be too popular in his native Poland. I think he still has his eye on Ferrari.
The way that Brawn are managing this at present then I would not be too surprised if they end up with Piquet and Bourdais.
Re: So, that leaves the second Mercedes
Posted: 20 Nov 2009, 09:14
by DonTirri
Ross Prawn wrote:I'm not sure about this 'all German silver arrows' concept. Do Mercedes marketing really want this? Mercedes are an international company and Aryan superteam may not be the most positive image for them.
Fix'd it for you.
(yes, i know, that was bad)
Re: So, that leaves the second Mercedes
Posted: 20 Nov 2009, 11:54
by Collieafc
You have to think as well that Schumacher brings more than just the driver. You have the "teambuilding" aspect of it as well. Especially with Ross Brawn as well.
It would make sense if he was to do a one year contract to "stabilise" the team and sign, say Vettel for 2011
Re: So, that leaves the second Mercedes
Posted: 20 Nov 2009, 14:09
by Phoenix
Collieafc wrote:You have to think as well that Schumacher brings more than just the driver. You have the "teambuilding" aspect of it as well. Especially with Ross Brawn as well.
It would make sense if he was to do a one year contract to "stabilise" the team and sign, say Vettel for 2011
We won't see more of MSC in the F1 tracks never ever. We have to accept it.
Re: So, that leaves the second Mercedes
Posted: 20 Nov 2009, 16:11
by Enrique Bernoldi
Phoenix wrote:Collieafc wrote:You have to think as well that Schumacher brings more than just the driver. You have the "teambuilding" aspect of it as well. Especially with Ross Brawn as well.
It would make sense if he was to do a one year contract to "stabilise" the team and sign, say Vettel for 2011
We won't see more of MSC in the F1 tracks never ever. We have to accept it.
Eddie Jordan, on the other hand, won't accept it.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/motorsport/formula_one/8368107.stm
Re: So, that leaves the second Mercedes
Posted: 20 Nov 2009, 17:03
by cjrodwell
Enrique Bernoldi wrote:Phoenix wrote:Collieafc wrote:You have to think as well that Schumacher brings more than just the driver. You have the "teambuilding" aspect of it as well. Especially with Ross Brawn as well.
It would make sense if he was to do a one year contract to "stabilise" the team and sign, say Vettel for 2011
We won't see more of MSC in the F1 tracks never ever. We have to accept it.
Eddie Jordan, on the other hand, won't accept it.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/motorsport/formula_one/8368107.stm
If EJ is right then that would be a disaster for Rosberg's career as he would undoubtedly be forced to play second fiddle.
Re: So, that leaves the second Mercedes
Posted: 20 Nov 2009, 17:19
by Paul Hayes
I don't want to see it. It would be sensational for the sport, be very exciting and give the whole F1 world a real boost, but I don't think he's up to a full-time comeback. It would have worked for a few races with Ferrari, as the original plan was, as he had little to lose and wouldn't have spoiled his legacy whatever happened, given the circumstances. But to take a season or two's Mercedes drive would be letting his heart rule his head to an absurd degree.
However much I might want to see Schumacher race Vettel and Hamilton and co, I think he has to accept he wouldn't be at the level he once was.
Re: So, that leaves the second Mercedes
Posted: 20 Nov 2009, 18:44
by noisebox
Paul Hayes wrote:I don't want to see it. It would be sensational for the sport, be very exciting and give the whole F1 world a real boost, but I don't think he's up to a full-time comeback. It would have worked for a few races with Ferrari, as the original plan was, as he had little to lose and wouldn't have spoiled his legacy whatever happened, given the circumstances. But to take a season or two's Mercedes drive would be letting his heart rule his head to an absurd degree.
However much I might want to see Schumacher race Vettel and Hamilton and co, I think he has to accept he wouldn't be at the level he once was.
I would like to see it. I think the timing from his point of view would be good. The ban on refuelling looks like it will favour drivers who can manage their tyres better and place less of an emphasis on qualifying. I think Schumi could do very well in this environment. For me, since his retirement only Hamilton and sometimes Vettel have got near the level he was still at at the end of his career.
Re: So, that leaves the second Mercedes
Posted: 20 Nov 2009, 19:06
by Chewie
A German team stepping out to conquer the world with two blonde haired uber drivers!
Mercedes must be a tad concerned about the marketing potential of that, maybe a more diverse driver pairing might be more palatable!
The British press are probably salivating enough over Hamilton and Button taking on 'Ze Germans', I can almost see the spitfires and Churchill iconagraphy in the reporting; the last thing we need is to give them an excuse to start photoshopping monacles and spiked helmets on the opposition!
lol
Re: So, that leaves the second Mercedes
Posted: 20 Nov 2009, 19:20
by WeirdKerr
i think they should sign Markus Winkelhock......
Re: So, that leaves the second Mercedes
Posted: 20 Nov 2009, 19:36
by CarlosFerreira
WeirdKerr wrote:i think they should sign Markus Winkelhock......
Finally, sense.
Now, has Rosberg signed up yet?
Re: So, that leaves the second Mercedes
Posted: 20 Nov 2009, 21:03
by mario
CarlosFerreira wrote:WeirdKerr wrote:i think they should sign Markus Winkelhock......
Finally, sense.
Now, has Rosberg signed up yet?
So, we've had first Heidfeld linked to Mercedes, followed by Kimi. Now, we have Schumacher supposedly being brought back in a Niki Lauda style move - but, of course, they want him there as a seat warmer so they can bring Vettel in, according to the latest reports. Frankly, at this rate they'll be linking HWNSNBM to the Mercedes team by the end of the week...
Perhaps the only thing which has surprised me is the fact that Mercedes haven't actually told us anything about Rosberg - how long are they signing him to the team might be indicative of the longer term objectives of the Mercedes team.
Re: So, that leaves the second Mercedes
Posted: 20 Nov 2009, 21:09
by Klon
WeirdKerr wrote:i think they should sign Markus Winkelhock......
Oh, that would cause fury in the DTM, seeing as Markus Winkelhock is a regular with Audi and a possible candidate for a lead drive in 2010. I'd like it...
Re: So, that leaves the second Mercedes
Posted: 20 Nov 2009, 22:34
by Collieafc
Chewie wrote:A German team stepping out to conquer the world with two blonde haired uber drivers!
Mercedes must be a tad concerned about the marketing potential of that, maybe a more diverse driver pairing might be more palatable!
The British press are probably salivating enough over Hamilton and Button taking on 'Ze Germans', I can almost see the spitfires and Churchill iconagraphy in the reporting; the last thing we need is to give them an excuse to start photoshopping monacles and spiked helmets on the opposition!
lol
Ive just clicked to your "true" background for that description!
Re: So, that leaves the second Mercedes
Posted: 21 Nov 2009, 04:18
by CarlosFerreira
mario wrote:Perhaps the only thing which has surprised me is the fact that Mercedes haven't actually told us anything about Rosberg - how long are they signing him to the team might be indicative of the longer term objectives of the Mercedes team.
My best guess is Nico's got a very long name, takes him ages to sign.
Either that, or he's taking writing lessons.
Re: So, that leaves the second Mercedes
Posted: 21 Nov 2009, 04:59
by thehemogoblin
CarlosFerreira wrote:mario wrote:Perhaps the only thing which has surprised me is the fact that Mercedes haven't actually told us anything about Rosberg - how long are they signing him to the team might be indicative of the longer term objectives of the Mercedes team.
My best guess is Nico's got a very long name, takes him ages to sign.
Either that, or he's taking writing lessons.
Maybe he's trying to write it in Finnish.
Re: So, that leaves the second Mercedes
Posted: 21 Nov 2009, 10:38
by Phoenix
I thought he was already signed and very signed.