Your Top 10 Drivers

ADx_Wales · Post by **ADx_Wales** » 14 Dec 2009, 18:56

I did remain serious in my decisions.

With regards to Alsonso's bastardry i refer you to the Autosport 2007 F1 season preview:

"Fernando Alonso, Spain
Greatest F1 Moment: Joining McLaren for 2007
Worst F1 Moment: I dont have one"

And also i dont think his decision at Hungary for Q3 to stay in the pit-box, while Hamilton was stuck behind him waiting to get his tyres changed, was very professional, or rather grown up.

Not only that but his involvment in the Piquet Jnr Saga is more than he suggests, also the points he earned in the races that followed should not have counted because the team were motivated from the non-victory in Singapore, he is now at Ferrari, a team he has not earned the right to drive for as far as his last two seasons are to go by.

If Ferrari win something in 2009 it better bloody had be Felipe Massa this time around.

Phoenix · Post by **Phoenix** » 14 Dec 2009, 19:04

shinji wrote:
Phoenix wrote:Alonso bastard why? He had to eat a lot of shite during his career, especially during his time in McLaren, thanks to that people in Spain call one of the best teams in F1 history McLata (McCan) and McAco (McApe), and he barely complained about that and he carried on with great professionalism. And this not biased at all, it's what I think it's a fact. He never did any particular bastard thing in his career.

He went up against Hamilton. If you look at adx's top 10, I think you can see where his allegiances lie. He became an 'enemy to Britain' for no particular reason.

I won't say it was Hamilton's fault-he just got flattered seeing how things were going so good for him. It was Ron Dennis who got the ball rolling favouring Hamilton despite being Alonso the experienced driver, and the reigning champion. But he didn't become an enemy for Brits. In fact, he kept his head far from things as far as he could.

ADx_Wales wrote:I did remain serious in my decisions.

With regards to Alsonso's bastardry i refer you to the Autosport 2007 F1 season preview:

"Fernando Alonso, Spain
Greatest F1 Moment: Joining McLaren for 2007
Worst F1 Moment: I dont have one"

Not only that but his involvment in the Piquet Jnr Saga is more than he suggests, also the points he earned in the races that followed should not have counted because the team were motivated from the non-victory in Singapore, he is now at Ferrari, a team he has not earned the right to drive for as far as his last two seasons are to go by.

Alonso had an utter shitbox for car and the Singapore affair was down to Briatore, not to him. And if he went to Renault it was because McLaren became a hostile place for him thanks to Ron Dennis, otherwise he would have stayed with McLaren. And his victory in Japan in 2008 was fully deserved.
And, for instance, Raikkonen had a pale season in 2006 but then he was signed by Ferrari and won the title. So, Alonso did more than enough merits to achieve the seat considering the machinery he had. This is F1 Rejects and we judge the drivers considering the cars they had to drive.

RejectSteve · Post by **RejectSteve** » 14 Dec 2009, 19:10

ADx_Wales wrote:If Ferrari win something in 2009 it better bloody had be Felipe Massa this time around.

Agreed.

1. Juan Manuel Fangio
2. Gilles Villeneuve
3. Jim Clark
4. Ayrton Senna
5. Michael Schumacher
6. Sir Jackie Stewart
7. Alain Prost
8. Alberto Ascari
9. Niki Lauda
10. Sir Jack Brabham

If we include non-F1, then nominees include Bernd Rosemeyer, Tazio Nuvolari, Tom Kristensen, Vladimir Chagin, and Ari Vatanen.

ADx_Wales · Post by **ADx_Wales** » 14 Dec 2009, 19:13

Its understandable how people can think Alonso had a hard time when Hamilton was trained by the team since he had the cheek got go up to Dennis as a ZIP-Cadet in 1996 and say "I'm going to be your next world champion".

Is it fair to say Alonso didn't know what he was getting himeself into? (or should have known?)

If not I'll agree to disagree.

Phoenix · Post by **Phoenix** » 14 Dec 2009, 19:21

ADx_Wales wrote:Its understandable how people can think Alonso had a hard time when Hamilton was trained by the team since he had the cheek got go up to Dennis as a ZIP-Cadet in 1996 and say "I'm going to be your next world champion".

Is it fair to say Alonso didn't know what he was getting himeself into? (or should have known?)

If not I'll agree to disagree.

Well, certainly Hamilton was great on his very first year, but still he had the mind of a rookie due to his lack of experience. Dennis's downfall was to trust so dearly in him instead of letting him get acquainted to it while following Alonso's lead to then take full fight to him next year. Everyone would have won (especially McLaren who had the best car by yonks). Worst of it is, here in Spain people began thinking Hamilton was an arsehole unfairly, as the lot of the fault was of Dennis's deficient management, deriving, in the worst cases, in racist comments.
And I don't think Alonso could have predicted it; who would?

ADx_Wales · Post by **ADx_Wales** » 14 Dec 2009, 19:27

Spain isnt the only country, there are loads of people here who think Hamilton is an arse.
People who think he shouldn't move out of britain to avoid tax, when even the great Jackie Stewart did the same thing.

tristan1117 · Post by **tristan1117** » 14 Dec 2009, 19:43

1. Ayrton Senna
2. Juan Manuel Fangio
3. Michael Schumacher
4. Jim Clark
5. Alain Prost
6. Niki Lauda
7. Gilles Villeneuve
8. Alberto Ascari
9. Stirling Moss
10. Jack Brabham

Post by **DemocalypseNow** » 14 Dec 2009, 19:44

shinji wrote:
CarlosFerreira wrote:
shinji wrote:Sounds violent. And strangely sexual.

Your face should look like that when kostas comes and de-mods you.

Ew.

And I thought that was themogoblin's face when you are around.

Phoenix · Post by **Phoenix** » 14 Dec 2009, 19:47

ADx_Wales wrote:Spain isnt the only country, there are loads of people here who think Hamilton is an arse.
People who think he shouldn't move out of britain to avoid tax, when even the great Jackie Stewart did the same thing.

I thought that was endemic of here...

shinji · Post by **shinji** » 14 Dec 2009, 19:57

kostas22 wrote:Ew.

And I thought that was themogoblin's face when you are around.

I have no idea what you mean. Genuinely.

Update:

Ayrton Senna – 143
Juan Manuel Fangio –134
Michael Schumacher – 122
Jim Clark –120
Alain Prost – 110
Jackie Stewart – 69
Niki Lauda - 51
Stirling Moss – 44
Alberto Ascari – 38
Gilles Villeneuve – 34
Nigel Mansell – 21
Mika Hakkinen – 19
Damon Hill - 19
Jack Brabham –19
Lewis Hamilton – 13
Fernando Alonso – 12
Nelson Piquet Sr – 11
Kimi Raikkonen – 11
Graham Hill – 8
Jenson Button - 7
Tazio Nuvolari – 6
Mark Webber – 5
Ronnie Peterson – 5
Jacques Villeneuve – 4
Felipe Massa - 4
Tiago Monteiro – 3
Johnny Herbert - 3
Jean Alesi – 2
Dan Gurney – 2
Alessandro Nannini – 2
Gerhard Berger - 1
Heinz-Harald Frentzen - 1
Roberto Moreno – 1
James Hunt – 1
Jochen Rindt – 1
Mario Andretti - 1

thehemogoblin · Post by **thehemogoblin** » 14 Dec 2009, 19:58

kostas22 wrote:
shinji wrote:
CarlosFerreira wrote:

Your face should look like that when kostas comes and de-mods you.

Ew.

And I thought that was themogoblin's face when you are around.

Is it that hard to just copy and paste my name?

shinji · Post by **shinji** » 14 Dec 2009, 20:00

thehemogoblin wrote:
kostas22 wrote:
shinji wrote:
Your face should look like that when kostas comes and de-mods you.

Ew.

And I thought that was themogoblin's face when you are around.

Is it that hard to just copy and paste my name?

It's a handy abbreviation. Merging 'the' with 'he' makes for 0.0001 seconds saved!

eytl · Post by **eytl** » 14 Dec 2009, 20:28

Here's mine:

1. Juan Manuel Fangio
2. Jim Clark
3. Ayrton Senna
4. Alain Prost
5. Michael Schumacher
6. Stirling Moss
7. Jack Brabham
8. Jackie Stewart
9. Gilles Villeneuve
10. Alberto Ascari

Have only considered World Championship drivers, hence Nuvolari not included. Peterson and Alonso came close to sneaking in. Others also, who despite their undoubted greatness in championship-winning years, also delivered some uninspiring seasons which casts doubt on their genuine ability and consistency. In that regard I'm thinking of: Lauda in his early March days, the Brabham years and some of the McLaren years; Mansell pre-1986; Piquet post-1986; Hakkinen pre-1997. Both the British Hills were very-good-but-not-great drivers in my books. Too early to tell where Hamilton will fit in overall.

FullMetalJack · Post by **FullMetalJack** » 14 Dec 2009, 20:37

1. Clark
2. Schumacher
3. Senna
4. Prost
5. Fangio
6. Stewart
7. Lauda
8. Villeneuve (Gilles Obviously)
9. Moss
10. Piquet (Sr. Obviously)

The fact that Monteiro has 3 points makes me chuckle :lol:

If someone puts Arnoux on the list, I'll think it's bulls**t

Post by **DemocalypseNow** » 14 Dec 2009, 20:43

shinji wrote:
thehemogoblin wrote:Is it that hard to just copy and paste my name?

It's a handy abbreviation. Merging 'the' with 'he' makes for 0.0001 seconds saved!

1) Yes, because it's not a proper name
2) HWNSNBM would have saved the 0.0001 seconds too.

thehemogoblin · Post by **thehemogoblin** » 14 Dec 2009, 22:23

Shinji, I already saved you all more time than that by not bothering to put spaces in my name and by not capitalizing any letters in it.

The least you could do is not bastardize the already-bastardized name any more.

CarlosFerreira · Post by **CarlosFerreira** » 14 Dec 2009, 23:59

ADx_Wales wrote:1= Damon Hill
1= Lewis Hamilton
3: Nigel Mansell
4: Jenson Button
5: Ayrton Senna
6: Kimi Raikonnen
7: Felipe Massa
8: Johnny Herbert
9: Alessandro Nannini
10: Gerhard Berger

Bucket loads of win there, mate. Just wish you had cut on the Button, really uncalled for. Nannini! How could I possibly have forgotten Nannini!

Nessafox · Post by **Nessafox** » 15 Dec 2009, 00:04

if i'd make this list tomorrow, it might be different, but anyway:
I put some older drivers in front, assuming that these cars were really beasts, but then off course, i wasn't there too see it, so i'm just guessing
0 HWNSNBM
1 Moss
2 Ascari
3 Fangio
4 Clark
5 Lauda
6 M Schumacher
6 Senna
8 Stewart
9 J Brabham
10 G Villeneuve

but lots of great drivers are still missing, i'd have to make a top 30 for that

Waris · Post by **Waris** » 15 Dec 2009, 00:10

This wrote:0 HWNSNBM

Bah, you stole my idea!

Anyway,
0 HWNSNBM
1 Ayrton Senna
2 Michael Schumacher
3 Juan Manuel Fangio
4 Alain Prost
5 Jim Clark
6 Alberto Ascari
7 Jack Brabham
8 Niki Lauda
9 Jackie Stewart
10 Alan Jones

Nessafox · Post by **Nessafox** » 15 Dec 2009, 00:14

Waris wrote:
This wrote:0 HWNSNBM

Bah, you stole my idea!

no, it was originally my idea, i just sended it thelepatically to your brain

Waris · Post by **Waris** » 15 Dec 2009, 00:16

This wrote:
Waris wrote:
This wrote:0 HWNSNBM

Bah, you stole my idea!

no, it was originally my idea, i just sended it thelepatically to your brain

Oh shite, maybe the great HWNSNBM in all his goodness and mercy has decided to infuse you with a small portion of his epic skills?

Nessafox · Post by **Nessafox** » 15 Dec 2009, 00:29

well, they do refer to me as being the arch-father of the church of HWNSNBM

(then jamie and enoch would be something like adam and eve...

)

Collieafc · Post by **Collieafc** » 15 Dec 2009, 01:47

1. Ayrton Senna (Very close)
2. Juan Manuel Fangio
3. Michael Schumacher
4. Jim Clark
5. Alain Prost
6. Jackie Stewart
7. Gilles Villeneuve
8. Niki Lauda
9. Jochen Rindt
10. Alberto Ascari

Jordan · Post by **Jordan** » 15 Dec 2009, 03:49

1.) HWSNBN
2.) Jacques Villeneuve
3-10.) Unimportant

SuperAguri · Post by **SuperAguri** » 15 Dec 2009, 03:59

This list only list drivers that I remember watching so forgive me for some of my driver choices.

1 - Aryton Senna
2 - Kamui Kobayashi
3 - Alain Prost
4 - Gerhard Berger
5 - Riccardo Patrese
6 - Pierluigi Martini
7 - Ukyou Katayama
8 - Gianni Morbidelli
9 - Gabriele Tarquini
10 - Fernando Alonso

MinardiFan95 · Post by **MinardiFan95** » 15 Dec 2009, 06:14

1. HWNSNBM
2. Mark Webber
3. Kamui Kobayashi
4. Jean Denis Deletraz
5. Taki Inoue
6. Yuji Ide
7. Luca Badoer
8. Perry McCarthy
9. Alex Yoong
10. Giovanni Lavaggi

Collieafc · Post by **Collieafc** » 15 Dec 2009, 09:18

MinardiFan95 wrote:4. Jean Denis Deletraz
5. Taki Inoue
6. Yuji Ide
7. Luca Badoer
8. Perry McCarthy
9. Alex Yoong
10. Giovanni Lavaggi

Wait a minute, thats a list of rejects!

shinji · Post by **shinji** » 15 Dec 2009, 11:59

Update:

Ayrton Senna – 179
Juan Manuel Fangio –159
Jim Clark –146
Michael Schumacher – 145
Alain Prost – 138
Jackie Stewart – 82
Niki Lauda - 58
Stirling Moss – 51
Gilles Villeneuve – 43
Alberto Ascari – 40
Jack Brabham –23
Nigel Mansell – 21
Mika Hakkinen – 19
Damon Hill - 19
Lewis Hamilton – 13
Fernando Alonso – 13
Jacques Villeneuve – 13
Nelson Piquet Sr – 12
Kimi Raikkonen – 11
HWNSNBM – 10
Kamui Kobayashi - 9
Graham Hill – 8
Gerhard Berger - 8
Jenson Button - 7
Tazio Nuvolari – 6
Riccardo Patrese – 6
Pierluigi Martini - 5
Mark Webber – 5
Ronnie Peterson – 5
Ukyo Katayama - 4
Felipe Massa – 4
Gianni Morbidelli - 3
Jochen Rindt – 3
Tiago Monteiro – 3
Johnny Herbert – 3
Gabriele Tarquini - 2
Jean Alesi – 2
Dan Gurney – 2
Alessandro Nannini – 2
Heinz-Harald Frentzen - 1
Roberto Moreno – 1
James Hunt – 1
Mario Andretti - 1

kowalski · Post by **kowalski** » 15 Dec 2009, 13:09

i can't pretend that i was watching f1 in the 50s, 60s or 70s so i'll just choose some of my favorites:

1. piquet (sr)
2. shumacher (m)
3. prost
4. alonso
5. hakkinen
6. raikonnen
7. kobayashi
8. nakajima (s)
9. moreno
10. villeneuve (jr)

SuperAguri · Post by **SuperAguri** » 15 Dec 2009, 14:36

Me thinks a few more people thinking that a few more Japanese drivers are the best then a certain Sushi shop owners sun might even chalenge for the top 15

elho · Post by **elho** » 15 Dec 2009, 15:04

1 - A. Senna
2 - M. Schumacher
3 - N. Piquet (Sr.)
4 - A. Prost
5 - E. Fittipaldi
6 - D. Hill
7 - F. Alonso
8 - N Mansell
9 - R. Moreno
10 - P. Martini

CarlosFerreira · Post by **CarlosFerreira** » 15 Dec 2009, 19:48

This wrote:
Waris wrote:
This wrote:0 HWNSNBM

Bah, you stole my idea!

no, it was originally my idea, i just sended it thelepatically to your brain

Same thing went through my mind, honestly.

shinji · Post by **shinji** » 15 Dec 2009, 20:06

Any thoughts on when I should close this?

CarlosFerreira · Post by **CarlosFerreira** » 15 Dec 2009, 20:15

How many people have voted so far? We had 43 voters for the IIDOTS.

shinji · Post by **shinji** » 15 Dec 2009, 20:17

CarlosFerreira wrote:How many people have voted so far? We had 43 voters for the IIDOTS.

29, if I counted right. Few high posters haven't voted though, might wait for them to.

CarlosFerreira · Post by **CarlosFerreira** » 15 Dec 2009, 20:22

shinji wrote:
CarlosFerreira wrote:How many people have voted so far? We had 43 voters for the IIDOTS.

29, if I counted right. Few high posters haven't voted though, might wait for them to.

Fair enough. It's a good count so far, methinks.

danardif1 · Post by **danardif1** » 15 Dec 2009, 20:45

My personal favourite drivers (so not THE best, but the ones closest to my heart)

1. Nigel Mansell
2. Ayrton Senna
3. Damon Hill
4. Jenson Button (been a fan since his very first race)
5. Lewis Hamilton
6. David Coulthard (never really warmed to him as a kid, but now I like him more and more... very underrated driver)
7. Graham Hill
8. Jimmy Clark
9. Sir Jackie Stewart
10. Stirling Moss

Very British bias I'm afraid!! But I do have other drivers I've always rooted for: Nico Rosberg, Luca Badoer (of course), Michael Schumacher (once I matured and came to forget (not forgive) the Adelaide incident.. Schumi only truly won 6 champs to me), Rubens Barrichello, Takuma Sato (that pass on Alonso one of my all-time fave F1 moments!), Jacky Ickx (big respect for multi-taskers like him), Niki Lauda

Post by **Nuppiz** » 15 Dec 2009, 20:59

I guess I'm one of those "high posters" that were mentioned, so here goes:

1. Ayrton Senna
2. Juan Manuel Fangio
3. Michael Schumacher
4. Jim Clark
5. Alain Prost
6. Jackie Stewart
7. Alberto Ascari
8. Jack Brabham
9. Niki Lauda
10. Stirling Moss

eagleash · Post by **eagleash** » 15 Dec 2009, 21:14

shinji wrote:Any thoughts on when I should close this?

I was going to leave it open for 2 weeks, maybe a bit long in hindsight but would take it over Xmas when people might have a bit more time.

I'd have thought rejectonians would be falling over themselvers to get their lists in.

What do I know. DON'T answer that Shinji.

thehalford · Post by **thehalford** » 15 Dec 2009, 22:13

1 - Moss
2 - Senna
3 - Clark
4 - Prost
5 - Fangio
6 - Hakkinen
7 - Schumacher, M
8 - Piquet (Snr)
9 - Rosberg, K
10 - Pierluigi Martini (personal preference)