More British bias by saying that Hamilton has a chance of the title being 58 points behind while Raikkonen who's only a further 5 points back is out of the hunt.
Anyone want to write a good piece of analysis?
I'd say that the chances of both of those drivers taking the title would be reducing as time passes - yes, Kimi's retirement does put him that little bit further back, but the difference between 58 and 63 points back is not that much when the overall gap is considered. Alonso may be ahead of those drivers but is perhaps flagging a little - perhaps not surprising when you consider that he's had to push extremely hard for several seasons in a row now - whilst unfortunately the E21 is not always as consistent as Kimi is and the W04, whilst proving to be much more competitive than most would have expected this time last year, is still not on the same level as the RB9.
I suppose that the only benefit Hamilton has is that, in a lot of ways, the fact that he is still mathematically in the title battle is probably a major psychological boost that he probably did not expect to have, which might explain why he is perhaps much more bullish that the other two drivers. Still, realistically I would say that Kimi is still as much in the title race as he is, although both of them are going to be soon reaching the point where they are no longer in contention if Vettel continues to open up that gap in the WDC.
The fact is that at Spa Red Bull clearly pulled out the trump card and have left both Mercedes and Lotus for dead. Ferrari have too much work to do to catch up now but what is going round the paddock is that the 2014 ferrari engine is pretty weak so this may be Alonso's last chance for a while so why not go for it.
More British bias by saying that Hamilton has a chance of the title being 58 points behind while Raikkonen who's only a further 5 points back is out of the hunt.
Anyone want to write a good piece of analysis?
I think he is taking the (somewhat simplistic) view that Hamilton has won a race more recently and did so on pace, whereas Kimi's results tend to come as a result of more tactical driving than sheer speed (ironic considering his "first" career). There needs to be a big change in fortunes for either of them to close in on Vettel.
I really can't stand Andrew Benson's writing, ever since earlier this year I had to comment on one of his articles reminding him that Sauber dropped the BMW prefix in 2010 and that he should update the points table accordingly in his article....
Jocke1 wrote:BBC should get rid of Suzi Perry and Tom Clarkson imo.
Why Tom Clarkson?
Anyway Andrew Benson should go and one of Mario Rachel1990 Stramala Jocke1 Wizzie go-rubens pasta maldonado East Londoner good-ralf Phoenix Nuppiz and Myself etc should replace him
Jocke1 wrote:BBC should get rid of Suzi Perry and Tom Clarkson imo.
Why Tom Clarkson?
Anyway Andrew Benson should go and one of Mario Rachel1990 Stramala Jocke1 Wizzie go-rubens pasta maldonado East Londoner good-ralf Phoenix Nuppiz and Myself etc should replace him
At least Mr. Benson understands basic grammar.
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Jocke1 wrote:BBC should get rid of Suzi Perry and Tom Clarkson imo.
Why Tom Clarkson?
Anyway Andrew Benson should go and one of Mario Rachel1990 Stramala Jocke1 Wizzie go-rubens pasta maldonado East Londoner good-ralf Phoenix Nuppiz and Myself etc should replace him
At least Mr. Benson understands basic grammar.
Ok that's not helping. Sure my grammar is terrible but don't mock it
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Talking of Tom Clarkson I wonder how long he has been a recognized journalist. After all, he was mentioned in F1Rejects race reviews as early as 2000 being on ITV.
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good_Ralf wrote:Talking of Tom Clarkson I wonder how long he has been a recognized journalist. After all, he was mentioned in F1Rejects race reviews as early as 2000 being on ITV.
He's written for F1Racing for a number of years.
A good journalist, yes, but I just don't think he's cut out for television work.
Freeze-O-Kimi wrote:
Ataxia wrote: At least Mr. Benson understands basic grammar.
Ok that's not helping
What isn't helping?
Mitch Hedberg wrote:I want to be a race car passenger: just a guy who bugs the driver. Say man, can I turn on the radio? You should slow down. Why do we gotta keep going in circles? Man, you really like Tide...
I thought Tom Clarkson died when he fell off the roof of Waterloo Road school?
I think that shows just how little I care about the BBC coverage nowadays. Only Ben Edwards and DC are worth it.
Fetzie on Ferrari wrote:How does a driver hurtling around a race track while they're sous-viding in their overalls have a better understanding of the race than a team of strategy engineers in an air-conditioned room?l
East Londoner wrote:I thought Tom Clarkson died when he fell off the roof of Waterloo Road school?
I think that shows just how little I care about the BBC coverage nowadays. Only Ben Edwards and DC are worth it.
Gary Anderson called
And Eddie Jordan. He makes a good presenter/pundit and I like him.
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Allard Kalff in 1994 wrote:OH!! Schumacher in the wall! Right in front of us, Michael Schumacher is in the wall! He's hit the pitwall, he c... Ah, it's Jos Verstappen.
Jocke1 wrote:BBC should get rid of Suzi Perry and Tom Clarkson imo.
Why Tom Clarkson?
Anyway Andrew Benson should go and one of Mario Rachel1990 Stramala Jocke1 Wizzie go-rubens pasta maldonado East Londoner good-ralf Phoenix Nuppiz and Myself etc should replace him
How very magnanimous of you.
Klon, on Alt-F1 wrote: I like to think it's more poker than gambling, though.
Jocke1 wrote:BBC should get rid of Suzi Perry and Tom Clarkson imo.
Why Tom Clarkson?
Anyway Andrew Benson should go and one of Mario Rachel1990 Stramala Jocke1 Wizzie go-rubens pasta maldonado East Londoner good-ralf Phoenix Nuppiz and Myself etc should replace him
Jocke1 wrote:BBC should get rid of Suzi Perry and Tom Clarkson imo.
Why Tom Clarkson?
Anyway Andrew Benson should go and one of Mario Rachel1990 Stramala Jocke1 Wizzie go-rubens pasta maldonado East Londoner good-ralf Phoenix Nuppiz and Myself etc should replace him
Oh thank you!
No seriously that half-term report was really good (even if i did use it for a top 10 disappointment list) so that's why i considered you. Stramala know's how to analyse the rubbish drivers (Yes Andy Neate that means you) and mario is mario so no contest there.
Also Roblomas52 Shadaza Shizuka and Barbazza could do better than Mr Benson. Basically anyone here would be an improvement even joey zyla makes more sense than Benson can.
Freeze-O-Kimi wrote:Also Roblomas52 Shadaza Shizuka and Barbazza could do better than Mr Benson. Basically anyone here would be an improvement even joey zyla makes more sense than Benson can.
But English is only my second language HWNSNBM-language is the first.
When will BBC release their 2014 schedule for the live races? I wouldn't be surprised if they cut back some more.
Freeze-O-Kimi wrote:Also Roblomas52 Shadaza Shizuka and Barbazza could do better than Mr Benson. Basically anyone here would be an improvement even joey zyla makes more sense than Benson can.
But English is only my second language HWNSNBM-language is the first.
When will BBC release their 2014 schedule for the live races? I wouldn't be surprised if they cut back some more.
It might be a second language for you, but you are more eloquent than many I have met who are meant to be native speakers of English...
As to when the BBC will announce their plans for 2014, I think that they will probably confirm their plans in late Feb to early March next year (assuming they do the same thing as last year). With the BBC under pressure to keep costs down, it is possible that they might cut back in some areas or, at the very least, opt not to take on any more races than they do now given that the calendar is expected to grow from 19 to 20 races.
Martin Brundle, on watching a replay of Grosjean spinning: "The problem with Grosjean is that he want to take a look back at the corner he's just exited"
They will probably drop a few more races out, and keep only 6-7 live - this is my prediction for now. This could be a controversial opinion, but BBC dropped the ball in 2009 already with Legard taking place of Allen. And even with him commentating, I still enjoyed the English commentary over the atrocious (!) 2010 Hungarian team. (Despite the new guy being an actual touring car driver, he managed to go below the Legard quality, if we can even talk about that...) And they just cannot interrupt the races (even the edited ones) with advertising, as far as I know, like ITV did. With Sky on board, they are between a rock and a hard place, so to say. In a few years time, they will either cut down to edits of all races, or just stop doing it altogether.
Shizuka wrote:In a few years time, they will either cut down to edits of all races, or just stop doing it altogether.
As sad as it makes me, I think you're right about that although it may only be short-term. The expected boom in SKY tv subscribers simply hasnt happened and viewers of F1 in the UK are down. SKY have also been kicked in the broadband nuts by BT and the launch of their footy channels. I can see a time in the future when F1 looks at what it gets from the UK and notices that its not what it used to be which could then trigger some new, viable deals for free-to-air TV stations to consider.
Shizuka wrote:In a few years time, they will either cut down to edits of all races, or just stop doing it altogether.
As sad as it makes me, I think you're right about that although it may only be short-term. The expected boom in SKY tv subscribers simply hasnt happened and viewers of F1 in the UK are down. SKY have also been kicked in the broadband nuts by BT and the launch of their footy channels. I can see a time in the future when F1 looks at what it gets from the UK and notices that its not what it used to be which could then trigger some new, viable deals for free-to-air TV stations to consider.
Indeed, short-term options for the BBC F1 coverage consist of „surviving”. With BT Sport in the ring, I can see Sky Sports going more aggressive against the new channel, which could induce some rivalry between the two. Would it be a farfetched vision to see BT Sport picking up F1 later? Maybe not, especially if BSkyB slams on the desk after producing lower than expected results. The UK is important to F1 and vica versa. After a few years, BBC will probably get a low priced package deal to show as much as possible, because for them, pay TV is not the way to go there. For smaller markets (yeah, Hungary is a prime example), sure, pay TV will be a way to go.
Shizuka wrote:In a few years time, they will either cut down to edits of all races, or just stop doing it altogether.
As sad as it makes me, I think you're right about that although it may only be short-term. The expected boom in SKY tv subscribers simply hasnt happened and viewers of F1 in the UK are down. SKY have also been kicked in the broadband nuts by BT and the launch of their footy channels. I can see a time in the future when F1 looks at what it gets from the UK and notices that its not what it used to be which could then trigger some new, viable deals for free-to-air TV stations to consider.
Indeed, short-term options for the BBC F1 coverage consist of „surviving”. With BT Sport in the ring, I can see Sky Sports going more aggressive against the new channel, which could induce some rivalry between the two. Would it be a farfetched vision to see BT Sport picking up F1 later? Maybe not, especially if BSkyB slams on the desk after producing lower than expected results. The UK is important to F1 and vica versa. After a few years, BBC will probably get a low priced package deal to show as much as possible, because for them, pay TV is not the way to go there. For smaller markets (yeah, Hungary is a prime example), sure, pay TV will be a way to go.
If anything, the latest viewing figures for Sky's coverage will make for uncomfortable reading for their executives - the indication is that Sky has seen its viewing figures decline by nearly 9% since 2012 whereas the BBC's figures have risen by about 20% (about 3.8 million for the BBC on average against 638,000 for Sky). It seems like Sky are still doing well enough to justify the cost, but if that trend continues I can see them beginning to become a little concerned about the bottom line. http://f1broadcasting.wordpress.com/201 ... ct-so-far/
Viewing figures for F1 in 2013 are still quite solid, but it looks like it's been because of the BBC rather than Sky that figures have recovered, and I can imagine that is something that the sponsors of many teams would be aware of. I could see BT possibly looking to secure the rights in the future as a headline grabbing exercise, but I am not entirely sure that the economics would work out much better for them than for Sky at the moment.
Martin Brundle, on watching a replay of Grosjean spinning: "The problem with Grosjean is that he want to take a look back at the corner he's just exited"
I would like the BBC to choose Austria as a live race.
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1) Australia 2) China 3) Monaco 4) Canada 5) Britain 6) Belgium 7) Italy 8) Japan 9) Abu Dhabi 10) Brazil
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For this season in order- Australia-4/5 Mayasia- 3/5 china 3.5/5 Bahrain 1/5 Spain 2.5/5 monaco 3.5/5 Canada 4/5 British 3.5/5 Germany 3.5/5 Hungary 2/5 Belgian 4.5/5 Italy 4.5/5 Singapore 3.5/5 Korea 1/5 Japan 4/5 india 0/5 Abu Dhabi 2/5 USA 3/5 Brazil 4/5
I'm betting that on current form Vettel will seal the title at that track which is fitting.
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Freeze-O-Kimi wrote:Keep yourselves in check guys. For all we know India could produce the most exciting race of the year which sees a Giedo van der Garde victory
Or a McLaren podium, which will be just as miraculous
Mistakes in potatoes will ALWAYS happen Trulli bad puns... IN JAIL NO ONE CAN HEAR YOU SCREAM
Freeze-O-Kimi wrote:Keep yourselves in check guys. For all we know India could produce the most exciting race of the year which sees a Giedo van der Garde victory
Yeah, no reason to hand out the title to Vettel just yet, or predict him as the winner of every remaining GP. There's still plenty of races where he could face problems, and as long as there's a mathematical chance to beat him I'm still considering the title fight open.
Eurosport broadcast for the 1990 Mexican GP prequalifying: "The Life, it looked very lifeless yet again... in fact Bruno did one, slow lap"
Freeze-O-Kimi wrote:Keep yourselves in check guys. For all we know India could produce the most exciting race of the year which sees a Giedo van der Garde victory
Yeah, no reason to hand out the title to Vettel just yet, or predict him as the winner of every remaining GP. There's still plenty of races where he could face problems, and as long as there's a mathematical chance to beat him I'm still considering the title fight open.
See this is why i like you Nuppiz. You don't give up when Vettel is doing well unlike others who pack up the moment he gets into the lead
I'm not writing off the championship yet but on current form you wouldn't bet against Vettel being the favourite. I was kind of predicting that Vettel would win in Spa. After all, for the 6th straight race a trend had continued.
Monaco: Mercedes win Canada: Red Bull win Britain: Mercedes win Germany: Red Bull win Hungary: Mercedes win Belgium: Red Bull win
Italy: Mercedes FTW?
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Allard Kalff in 1994 wrote:OH!! Schumacher in the wall! Right in front of us, Michael Schumacher is in the wall! He's hit the pitwall, he c... Ah, it's Jos Verstappen.
Freeze-O-Kimi wrote:Keep yourselves in check guys. For all we know India could produce the most exciting race of the year which sees a Giedo van der Garde victory
Yeah, no reason to hand out the title to Vettel just yet, or predict him as the winner of every remaining GP. There's still plenty of races where he could face problems, and as long as there's a mathematical chance to beat him I'm still considering the title fight open.
Exactly. Max Chilton can mathematically still win the championship. It's far from over.
Sebastian Vettel wrote:If I was good at losing, I wouldn't be in Formula 1
