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Posted: **20 Apr 2014, 10:19**

Consecutively finished

1. Nick Heidfeld - 33 Grand Prix
2. Kimi Raikkonen - 30 Grand Prix
3. Nico Rosberg - 27 Grand Prix
4. Michael Schumacher - 24 Grand Prix
5. Felipe Massa - 24 Grand Prix
6. Max Chilton - 23 Grand Prix

come on, Max!

Posted: **20 Apr 2014, 12:54**

tristan1117 wrote:I don't know if this has already been posted, but there's statistical evidence to prove that Ukyo Katayama is the most crash-prone driver in F1 history, with Hunt the Shunt and De Crasheris nearby on the podium. Link.

Thanks for posting that - there's a bit to think about there. Given the venom that James Hunt regularly sprayed at Riccardo Patrese it's interesting to see that this analysis suggests he was considerably less likely to crash than Hunt. Amongst other things, I would have picked Hulkenberg as less erratic than Perez, but I must remember that I wasn't paying much attention to F1 a few years ago.

Posted: **20 Apr 2014, 22:53**

Jocke1 wrote:Consecutively finished

1. Nick Heidfeld - 33 Grand Prix
2. Kimi Raikkonen - 30 Grand Prix
3. Nico Rosberg - 27 Grand Prix
4. Michael Schumacher - 24 Grand Prix
5. Felipe Massa - 24 Grand Prix
6. Max Chilton - 23 Grand Prix

come on, Max!

Just two races more, and Max will be greater than Schumi...

Posted: **21 Apr 2014, 18:30**

dr-baker wrote:
Jocke1 wrote:Consecutively finished

1. Nick Heidfeld - 33 Grand Prix
2. Kimi Raikkonen - 30 Grand Prix
3. Nico Rosberg - 27 Grand Prix
4. Michael Schumacher - 24 Grand Prix
5. Felipe Massa - 24 Grand Prix
6. Max Chilton - 23 Grand Prix

come on, Max!

Just two races more, and Max will be greater than Schumi...

10 more and he wil get the all time record..... from Mr Slightly Bored by

Posted: **21 Apr 2014, 20:50**

tristan1117 wrote:I don't know if this has already been posted, but there's statistical evidence to prove that Ukyo Katayama is the most crash-prone driver in F1 history, with Hunt the Shunt and De Crasheris nearby on the podium. Link.

I don't remember Johnny Herbert crashing as much as this suggests.

Posted: **21 Apr 2014, 22:15**

watka wrote:
tristan1117 wrote:I don't know if this has already been posted, but there's statistical evidence to prove that Ukyo Katayama is the most crash-prone driver in F1 history, with Hunt the Shunt and De Crasheris nearby on the podium. Link.

I don't remember Johnny Herbert crashing as much as this suggests.

Well he seemed to be out early in a lot of gps being interviewed by whoever the pitlane reporter on the beeb/ ITV was at the time infact during 1 interview he quipped to Louise Goodman " we can't go on meeting like this people will talk..."

Posted: **01 May 2014, 18:44**

Year of most recent layout change in the current F1 circuits (*never)

Interlagos: 1990
Melbourne: 1996*
Red Bull Ring: 1996
Sepang: 1999*
Monza: 2000
CGV: 2002 (not 1995)
Hockenheim: 2002
Suzuka: 2003 (not 1983)
Bahrain: 2003*
China: 2003*
Monaco: 2003
Hungaroring: 2003
Spa-Francorchamps: 2007 (not 2004)
Catalunya: 2007
Abu Dhabi: 2009*
Silverstone: 2011
CotA: 2012*
Singapore: 2013
Sochi: 2014*

Posted: **01 May 2014, 20:27**

UgncreativeUsergname wrote:Year of most recent layout change in the current F1 circuits (*never)

Hockenheim: 2002

Posted: **01 May 2014, 22:12**

Bahrain used the "endurance circuit" layout in 2010 before reverting to its original layout for 2011 onwards. :geek:

Posted: **01 May 2014, 22:18**

watka wrote:Bahrain used the "endurance circuit" layout in 2010 before reverting to its original layout for 2011 onwards.

http://youtu.be/43GChXc6RVY?t=2s ; )

Posted: **01 May 2014, 23:20**

Jocke1 wrote:
watka wrote:Bahrain used the "endurance circuit" layout in 2010 before reverting to its original layout for 2011 onwards.

http://youtu.be/43GChXc6RVY?t=2s ; )

Well, I mentioned CGV's change for a year then back as something that counted, so... oops.

Posted: **02 May 2014, 06:46**

What exactly was changed at Montreal in 2002?

Posted: **02 May 2014, 06:53**

RonDenisDeletraz wrote:What exactly was changed at Montreal in 2002?

If theracingline.net's maps are correct:

The pitlane exit was changed to rejoin the circuit in the middle of turn two, instead of in the braking zone of turn one.

The hairpin was brought closer to the rest of the circuit, with the straights leading to and away from it being slightly shortened accordingly.

Posted: **02 May 2014, 07:17**

Ben Gilbert wrote:
RonDenisDeletraz wrote:What exactly was changed at Montreal in 2002?

If theracingline.net's maps are correct:

The pitlane exit was changed to rejoin the circuit in the middle of turn two, instead of in the braking zone of turn one.

The hairpin was brought closer to the rest of the circuit, with the straights leading to and away from it being slightly shortened accordingly.

I think the final chicane was also slightly reprofiled... or at least, they got rid of the gravel there.

Posted: **02 May 2014, 07:44**

UgncreativeUsergname wrote:Melbourne: 1996*

That asterisk is annoying me, since Melbourne did have a layout change (in 1996, but still

). The original circuit was used in the fifties, with fewer chicanes and a main straight that rain from the modern turn 14 to turn 3. Actually, technically from turn 3 to turn 14 since they ran in the other direction

Posted: **02 May 2014, 10:52**

the Masked Lapwing wrote:
UgncreativeUsergname wrote:Melbourne: 1996*

That asterisk is annoying me, since Melbourne did have a layout change (in 1996, but still ). The original circuit was used in the fifties, with fewer chicanes and a main straight that rain from the modern turn 14 to turn 3. Actually, technically from turn 3 to turn 14 since they ran in the other direction

I suppose the implication is whether they have changed the layout used for world championship races.

Posted: **02 May 2014, 19:02**

Is Silverstone the circuit on the calendar with the most layout changes......

Posted: **02 May 2014, 19:34**

WeirdKerr wrote:Is Silverstone the circuit on the calendar with the most layout changes......

Strictly F1 World Championship, probably. Monaco might have it beat depending on how you count that triangle of tyres they had at Sainte Devote a few years ago.

Posted: **02 May 2014, 19:57**

Monza had plenty of layout changes as well:
1955: Oval added
1957: Oval not used any more, but using Parabolica instead of Curva di Vedano
1960: Oval added again
1962: Oval unused again
1972: Addition of Variante del Rettifilio and Variante Ascari
1974: Modification of Variante Ascari
1976: Addidtion of Variante della Roggia, modification of Variante del Rettifilio
1995: Modification of 2nd Lesmo
2000: Modification of Variante del Rettifilio

In comparison Silverstone:
1952: Slight modification of Woodcote
1975: Chicane added at Woodcote
1987: Chicane removed from Woodcote, chicane added at Luffield
1991: Modification of most parts of the track
1994: Changes to Stowe, Copse, Abbey and Priory
1996: Stowe back to 1991 version
1997: Modification of Copse, Priory and Luffield
2010: New infield section

So Monza had slightly more, but only if you count adding and removing the oval, using a different configuration, without actual changes to the track.

Posted: **02 May 2014, 20:35**

pi314159 wrote:Monza had plenty of layout changes as well:
1955: Oval added
1957: Oval not used any more, but using Parabolica instead of Curva di Vedano
1960: Oval added again
1962: Oval unused again
1972: Addition of Variante del Rettifilio and Variante Ascari
1974: Modification of Variante Ascari
1976: Addidtion of Variante della Roggia, modification of Variante del Rettifilio
1995: Modification of 2nd Lesmo
2000: Modification of Variante del Rettifilio

In comparison Silverstone:
1952: Slight modification of Woodcote
1975: Chicane added at Woodcote
1987: Chicane removed from Woodcote, chicane added at Luffield
1991: Modification of most parts of the track
1994: Changes to Stowe, Copse, Abbey and Priory
1996: Stowe back to 1991 version
1997: Modification of Copse, Priory and Luffield
2010: New infield section

So Monza had slightly more, but only if you count adding and removing the oval, using a different configuration, without actual changes to the track.

ok, but Silverstone's changes over the years were more substantial than those at Monza

Posted: **03 May 2014, 21:02**

In the 3 years that HRT raced in Formula 1, the only driver who managed to finish a race on the lead lap was Pedro de la Rosa.
He did so once at the 18th race of 2012, Abu Dhabi, finishing 17th and last on the lead lap.
1m 11.778s behind winner Kimi Raikkonen.

That was the only time in 56 Grands Prix that an HRT finished on the lead lap. Glorious moment.

Posted: **03 May 2014, 22:52**

Jocke1 wrote:In the 3 years that HRT raced in Formula 1, the only driver who managed to finish a race on the lead lap was Pedro de la Rosa.
He did so once at the 18th race of 2012, Abu Dhabi, finishing 17th and last on the lead lap.
1m 11.778s behind winner Kimi Raikkonen.

That was the only time in 56 Grands Prix that an HRT finished on the lead lap. Glorious moment.

was it also the only time all cars finished the race on he lead lap?

Posted: **04 May 2014, 00:42**

Jocke1 wrote:In the 3 years that HRT raced in Formula 1, the only driver who managed to finish a race on the lead lap was Pedro de la Rosa.
He did so once at the 18th race of 2012, Abu Dhabi, finishing 17th and last on the lead lap.
1m 11.778s behind winner Kimi Raikkonen.

That was the only time in 56 Grands Prix that an HRT finished on the lead lap. Glorious moment.

A safety car latish in the race; the one time we can be thankful for that silly rule allowing backmarkers to unlap themselves

Posted: **04 May 2014, 19:25**

shinji wrote:
Jocke1 wrote:In the 3 years that HRT raced in Formula 1, the only driver who managed to finish a race on the lead lap was Pedro de la Rosa.
He did so once at the 18th race of 2012, Abu Dhabi, finishing 17th and last on the lead lap.
1m 11.778s behind winner Kimi Raikkonen.

That was the only time in 56 Grands Prix that an HRT finished on the lead lap. Glorious moment.

A safety car latish in the race; the one time we can be thankful for that silly rule allowing backmarkers to unlap themselves

Has there ever been a time where a Lotus/Caterham or Virgin/Marussia finished on the lead lap on merit?

Posted: **04 May 2014, 21:20**

pi314159 wrote:Monza had plenty of layout changes as well:
1955: Oval added
1957: Oval not used any more, but using Parabolica instead of Curva di Vedano
1960: Oval added again
1962: Oval unused again
1972: Addition of Variante del Rettifilio and Variante Ascari
1974: Modification of Variante Ascari
1976: Addidtion of Variante della Roggia, modification of Variante del Rettifilio
1995: Modification of 2nd Lesmo
2000: Modification of Variante del Rettifilio

In comparison Silverstone:
1952: Slight modification of Woodcote
1975: Chicane added at Woodcote
1987: Chicane removed from Woodcote, chicane added at Luffield
1991: Modification of most parts of the track
1994: Changes to Stowe, Copse, Abbey and Priory
1996: Stowe back to 1991 version
1997: Modification of Copse, Priory and Luffield
2010: New infield section

So Monza had slightly more, but only if you count adding and removing the oval, using a different configuration, without actual changes to the track.

Thank goodness this awful layout was never used in F1:

Posted: **06 May 2014, 10:39**

watka wrote:
pi314159 wrote:Monza had plenty of layout changes as well:
1955: Oval added
1957: Oval not used any more, but using Parabolica instead of Curva di Vedano
1960: Oval added again
1962: Oval unused again
1972: Addition of Variante del Rettifilio and Variante Ascari
1974: Modification of Variante Ascari
1976: Addidtion of Variante della Roggia, modification of Variante del Rettifilio
1995: Modification of 2nd Lesmo
2000: Modification of Variante del Rettifilio

In comparison Silverstone:
1952: Slight modification of Woodcote
1975: Chicane added at Woodcote
1987: Chicane removed from Woodcote, chicane added at Luffield
1991: Modification of most parts of the track
1994: Changes to Stowe, Copse, Abbey and Priory
1996: Stowe back to 1991 version
1997: Modification of Copse, Priory and Luffield
2010: New infield section

So Monza had slightly more, but only if you count adding and removing the oval, using a different configuration, without actual changes to the track.

Thank goodness this awful layout was never used in F1:

What. Is. That. Seriously, 90 degree turns at a track not a street circuit can never be a good idea... Wasn't there lots of fatalities on that layout, as well?

Posted: **06 May 2014, 11:25**

W12 wrote:90 degree turns at a track not a street circuit can never be a good idea

You were saying?

Posted: **06 May 2014, 11:46**

Salamander wrote:
W12 wrote:90 degree turns at a track not a street circuit can never be a good idea

You were saying?

I completely forgot about Brands Hatch!

Posted: **07 May 2014, 08:05**

Salamander wrote:
W12 wrote:90 degree turns at a track not a street circuit can never be a good idea

You were saying?

While technically covering 90 degrees, those aren't like your stereotypical 90 degree turn

Posted: **07 May 2014, 09:36**

RonDenisDeletraz wrote:
Salamander wrote:
W12 wrote:90 degree turns at a track not a street circuit can never be a good idea

You were saying?

While technically covering 90 degrees, those aren't like your stereotypical 90 degree turn

I wasn't aware a specific degree of corner could be stereotyped.

Posted: **07 May 2014, 12:51**

I think the term we're looking for is "zero radius 90 degree turn".

Posted: **07 May 2014, 13:56**

?????

Posted: **07 May 2014, 14:21**

?????????

Posted: **07 May 2014, 15:00**

Posted: **07 May 2014, 15:08**

W12 wrote:90 degree turns at a track not a street circuit can never be a good idea

UgncreativeUsergname wrote:
?

Adelaide's a street circuit, buddy.

Posted: **07 May 2014, 19:40**

Salamander wrote:
W12 wrote:90 degree turns at a track not a street circuit can never be a good idea

UgncreativeUsergname wrote:
?

Adelaide's a street circuit, buddy.

AxelP800 wrote:

?????

As is Bathurst for that matter.

Posted: **08 May 2014, 08:58**

watka wrote:I think the term we're looking for is "zero radius 90 degree turn".

You basically said a lot more eloquently what I was saying earlier about Brands Hatch

Posted: **08 May 2014, 14:34**

Actually I forgot one....

Turn 7a and 7b. Nice place to overtaking (at least in game :oops:

)

For who doesn't recognise it:

Mondello Park, Ireland

Posted: **08 May 2014, 14:55**

AxelP800 wrote:Actually I forgot one....

Turn 7a and 7b. Nice place to overtaking (at least in game )

For who doesn't recognise it:

Mondello Park, Ireland

I would like to see the BTCC have an Irish round again.

Posted: **09 May 2014, 05:46**

Is turn 4 really called ireland.ie? :shock:

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