F1 1985+

thor97 · Post by **thor97** » 02 Sep 2017, 15:41

Even with the point i think this season is a write off for us so
2 more on next years car.

Dexter249 · Post by **Dexter249** » 03 Sep 2017, 17:12

1 on Downforce and one on next year's car.

Post by **DemocalypseNow** » 03 Sep 2017, 18:15

Scuderia Ferrari will spend 1 D&T on engine development and 2 D&Ts on next year's car.

BioBiro · Post by **BioBiro** » 04 Sep 2017, 23:10

Very, very sorry for the delay, Williams team. I've been distracted with some outside work for the past four/five days, and the answers to your questions are coming much too late from me.

Collieafc wrote:Williams would like to ask for some points of clarification regarding this potential merger of PMC and their requirements:

Of course. This is not strictly a merger of Williams and PMC, but rather... a very amorous technical and financial relationship.

Frank Williams wrote:Would the injection of cash be all that is required this season? As Williams would like to ensure that we will not financially jeopardise our chances for 1986

That is correct; the next time money will change hands between Williams and PMC, will be in a thread titled '1986+'.

Frank Williams wrote:How would the profit and loss work per season? Is this calculated at the end of a season, at the start before bids, after bids or is it paid in installments over the season? Just so WIlliams can ensure that there is always enough capital within the teams

The Williams team will claim excess funds - or settle an outstanding balance - once per season. This will be at the start of each season, after 'Manufacturer Interest' and 'Manufacturer Support', but before the first phase of driver signing.

The accounting details of PMC will remain confidential, as the team is legally a separate company from Williams Grand Prix, but the choices you make on behalf of PMC will have an effect on what you give to - or take from - them. For example, picking two drivers that demand a significant salary will put PMC under far greater financial strain (which the Williams team will make-up), than selecting two well-funded pay drivers. However, given the advantages that a Formula 3000 team provide to young drivers, that is Williams' choice to make.

Frank Williams wrote:Would the legacy chassis after PMCs year of ownership spare one chassis of each seasons car, so Williams can display each seasons car in their Grove factory?

This would be fine.

To further tempt you, please enjoy this picture - wonderfully drawn, as always, by TCBY - of PMC's car in its testing livery:

Because of the lateness of my reply, I will not rush you to reply, and will extend the period until the next race, if necessary, so you can make a decision or ask any further questions.

CarloSpace · Post by **CarloSpace** » 05 Sep 2017, 07:52

1 Downforce and 1 Next year's car development for Zakspeed.

RedEyes504 · Post by **RedEyes504** » 05 Sep 2017, 09:24

Two more point on next years car for us

Collieafc · Post by **Collieafc** » 09 Sep 2017, 17:14

BioBiro wrote:Very, very sorry for the delay, Williams team. I've been distracted with some outside work for the past four/five days, and the answers to your questions are coming much too late from me.

Dont worry about it - from running a series I know how much time it can take (More than you think) and about priorities!

Williams are happy to accept these terms, and by doing so wish to turn Grove into Britians answer to Maranello

Ice1Racing · Post by **Ice1Racing** » 09 Sep 2017, 18:15

both D&T's on next years car please

BioBiro · Post by **BioBiro** » 09 Sep 2017, 21:14

Collieafc wrote:Williams are happy to accept these terms, and by doing so wish to turn Grove into Britians answer to Maranello

Thank you, Williams team

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PMC Motorsport is now featured as the sole entry under the' Formula 3000 Teams' header, at the start of the thread, in this post.

There is... just one more thing:

You must now select two drivers to race PMC's FW09s for the remainder of the 1985 Formula 3000 season.

The most comprehensive list of active drivers with such an interest, is available at the start of the second phase of driver signing. For your convenience, I have removed all drivers currently contracted to Formula 1 teams, so it should be impossible to pick a conflicting driver; I have added a small note at the top of the linked list to reiterate this. Due to the amount of text in the post, I felt it would be easier on the server load to link to an existing list, rather than post a new one.

You are free to nominate drivers not on the list, if you wish, although I'll obviously have to give them the once-over.

Collieafc · Post by **Collieafc** » 10 Sep 2017, 10:15

Williams would like to pick for PMC Tommy Bryne and Martin Brundle. If Martin Brundle is not an option (As he is considered active in the F1 scene) We would like to go for Nicola Larini instead or if that is also not possible then Ivan Capelli

BioBiro · Post by **BioBiro** » 12 Sep 2017, 23:22

D&T after Round 8
That's a-OK with me, Williams team

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McLaren

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Reliability increase of 4% (Reliability = 63% > Reliability = 67%). D&T cost was £720,000.
Reliability increase of 5% (Reliability = 67% > Reliability = 72%). D&T cost was £760,000.

Brabham

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Development of next year's car. D&T cost was £440,000.
Development of next year's car. D&T cost was £480,000.

Lotus

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Development of next year's car. D&T cost was £360,000.
Development of next year's car. D&T cost was £400,000.

Ferrari

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Engine reliability increase of 4% (Reliability = 89% > Reliability = 93%). D&T cost was £1,140,000.
Development of next year's car. D&T cost was £1,200,000.
Development of next year's car. D&T cost was paid for by the Minardi team.

Tyrrell

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Reliability increase of 6% (Reliability = 44% > Reliability = 50%). D&T cost was £600,000.
Reliability increase of 4% (Reliability = 50% > Reliability = 54%). D&T cost was £640,000.

Alfa Romeo

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Development of next year's car. D&T cost was £720,000.
Development of next year's car. D&T cost was £760,000.

BMW

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Development of next year's car. D&T cost was £560,000.
Development of next year's car. D&T cost was £600,000.

Williams

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Development of next year's car. D&T cost was £720,000.
Development of next year's car. D&T cost was £760,000.

Arrows

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Development of next year's car. D&T cost was £720,000.
Development of next year's car. D&T cost was £760,000.

Osella Squadra Corse Alfa

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Drag decrease of 4% (Drag = 38% < Drag = 34%). D&T cost was £600,000.
Development of next year's car. D&T cost was £640,000.

Toleman

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Downforce increase of 8% (Downforce = 29% > Downforce = 37%). D&T cost was £560,000.
Development of next year's car. D&T cost was £600,000.

Spirit

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Development of next year's car. D&T cost was £340,000.
Development of next year's car. D&T cost was £360,000.

Ligier

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Development of next year's car. D&T cost was £720,000.
Development of next year's car. D&T cost was £760,000.

RAM

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Development of next year's car. D&T cost was £220,000.
Development of next year's car. D&T cost was £240,000.

Zakspeed

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Downforce increase of 3% (Downforce = 33% > Downforce = 36%). D&T cost was £360,000.
Development of next year's car. D&T cost was £380,000.

Lola

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Development of next year's car. D&T cost was £360,000.
Development of next year's car. D&T cost was £380,000.

BioBiro · Post by **BioBiro** » 12 Sep 2017, 23:22

Round 9 - German Grand Prix, Nürburgring, 4th August 1985

Qualifying Results:
It's an all-business front row at the Nürburgring, with Alboreto taking pole by over a second. Pironi, who continues to appear as the slightly weaker of the three Ferrari drivers, filled the second row, alongside his marginally-quicker team-mate Prost. Mansell did not so much put in a sterling performance, as Watson was plagued with issues in qualifying; the Brabhams seemed well-suited to the German circuit. Winkelhock and Johansson shone at was is a home Grand Prix for their employer, and anyone who had ever given the BMW team a dollar could be found enjoying links under the shade of the 'M Power' hospitality tent. An Arrows and Minardi in the top ten has started to become customary, especially at faster tracks, and formerly-dominant teams like Tyrrell and McLaren looked at sea all weekend.

1. Michele Alboreto - Ferrari (Goodyear) 01:16.817 (Trap: 271 km/h)
2. Steffan Bellof - Williams-BMW (Goodyear) +01.185 (Trap: 272 km/h)
3. Alain Prost - Ferrari (Goodyear) +01.423 (Trap: 269 km/h)
4. Didier Pironi - Ferrari (Goodyear) +01.510 (Trap: 270 km/h)
5. Nigel Mansell - Brabham-Porsche (Goodyear) +01.813 (Trap: 259 km/h)
6. Ayrton Senna - Williams-BMW (Goodyear) +01.983 (Trap: 274 km/h)
7. Andrea de Cesaris - Minardi-Ferrari (Pirelli) +02.754 (Trap: 292 km/h)
8. Alessandro Nannini - Arrows-Alfa Romeo (Goodyear) +02.980 (Trap: 259 km/h)
9. Manfred Winkelhock - BMW (Pirelli) +02.997 (Trap: 271 km/h)
10. Teo Fabi - Osella Squadra Corse Alfa-Alfa Romeo (Pirelli) +03.243 (Trap: 264 km/h)
11. Derek Warwick - Tyrrell-BMW (Goodyear) +03.810 (Trap: 266 km/h)
12. Stefan Johansson - BMW (Pirelli) +03.847 (Trap: 271 km/h)
13. Ricardo Patrese - Minardi-Ferrari (Pirelli) +03.916 (Trap: 293 km/h)
14. Keke Rosberg - Arrows-Alfa Romeo (Goodyear) +04.458 (Trap: 262 km/h)
15. John Watson - Brabham-Porsche (Goodyear) +04.572 (Trap: 257 km/h)
16. Thierry Boutsen - Toleman-Hart (Goodyear) +04.661 (Trap: 254 km/h)
17. Alan Jones - Toleman-Hart (Goodyear) +04.921 (Trap: 252 km/h)
18. Philippe Streiff - Ligier-Renault (Pirelli) +04.933 (Trap: 257 km/h)
19. René Arnoux - Lotus-Renault (Pirelli) +04.936 (Trap: 259 km/h)
20. Jean-Pierre Jarier - Tyrrell-BMW (Goodyear) +04.955 (Trap: 267 km/h)
21. Pierluigi Martini - Osella Squadra Corse Alfa-Alfa Romeo (Pirelli) +05.238 (Trap: 265 km/h)
22. Corrado Fabi - Spirit-Hart (Pirelli) +05.240 (Trap: 252 km/h)
23. Nelson Piquet - McLaren-Honda (Goodyear) +05.381 (Trap: 261 km/h)
24. Patrick Tambay - Alfa Romeo (Goodyear) +05.433 (Trap: 256 km/h)
25. Jacques Laffitte - McLaren-Honda (Goodyear) +05.606 (Trap: 260 km/h)
26. Desiré Wilson - Alfa Romeo (Goodyear) +05.936 (Trap: 262 km/h)
DNQ. Elio de Angelis - Lotus-Renault (Pirelli) +06.186 (Trap: 258 km/h)
DNQ. Derek Daly - RAM-Hart (Pirelli) +06.835 (Trap: 255 km/h)
DNQ. Alain Ferté - Ligier-Renault (Pirelli) +06.841 (Trap: 253 km/h)
DNQ. Eddie Cheever - Lola-Renault (Goodyear) +07.117 (Trap: 252 km/h)
DNQ. Christian Danner - Zakspeed (Pirelli) +07.247 (Trap: 264 km/h)

Race Results:
Alboreto, who had asserted his domainance by easily outperforming his team-mates in qualifying, took a defiant win. Prost seemed on his backfoot all race, always being too late - too late to pit after Michele, too late through the traffic, and too late to really make a charge for the lead. Bellof was overtaken on only lap six, looking somewhat out of his depth, for a change. Incredibly, despite the tremendous success of the triple-car Ferrari team, Ayrton Senna continues to lead the Driver's Championship, bolstered by another podium finish. An increasingly rare points haul for the Brabham team puts them equal-fourth with Tyrrell.

With fifteen cars finishing, reliability seems to have improved throughout the entire field, and the genuine pace of some teams became more transparent; Jarier and Rosberg were not competitive enough to challenge Ferrari and Williams, and both McLarens finished poorly.

1. Michele Alboreto - Ferrari (Goodyear) 1hr 47:00.319
2. Alain Prost - Ferrari (Goodyear) +0:53.200
3. Ayrton Senna - Williams-BMW (Goodyear) +02:10.916
4. Nigel Mansell - Brabham-Porsche (Goodyear) +02:10.935
5. Steffan Bellof - Williams-BMW (Goodyear) +02:44.704
6. John Watson - Brabham-Porsche (Goodyear) +02:45.318
7. Jean-Pierre Jarier - Tyrrell-BMW (Goodyear) +03:12.444
8. Keke Rosberg - Arrows-Alfa Romeo (Goodyear) +03:14.725
9. Jacques Laffitte - McLaren-Honda (Goodyear) +03:27.861
10. Nelson Piquet - McLaren-Honda (Goodyear) +03:50.852
11. René Arnoux - Lotus-Renault (Pirelli) +04:28.482
12. Andrea de Cesaris - Minardi-Ferrari (Pirelli) +04:35.190
13. Alan Jones - Toleman-Hart (Goodyear) +04:42.660
14. Pierluigi Martini - Osella Squadra Corse Alfa-Alfa Romeo (Pirelli) +04:59.870
15. Philippe Streiff - Ligier-Renault (Pirelli) +06:31.612
Ret. Corrado Fabi - Spirit-Hart (Pirelli) - Turbo
Ret. Thierry Boutsen - Toleman-Hart (Goodyear) - Oil pressure
Ret. Teo Fabi - Osella Squadra Corse Alfa-Alfa Romeo (Pirelli) - Accident
Ret. Manfred Winkelhock - BMW (Pirelli) - Chassis
Ret. Stefan Johansson - BMW (Pirelli) - Turbo
Ret. Patrick Tambay - Alfa Romeo (Goodyear) - Turbo
Ret. Desiré Wilson - Alfa Romeo (Goodyear) - Chassis
Ret. Derek Warwick - Tyrrell-BMW (Goodyear) - Accident
Ret. Didier Pironi - Ferrari (Goodyear) - Engine
Ret. Alessandro Nannini - Arrows-Alfa Romeo (Goodyear) - Chassis
Ret. Ricardo Patrese - Minardi-Ferrari (Pirelli) - Radiator

Championship Standings:
Driver's Championship
1. Ayrton Senna (39 points)
2. Michele Alboreto (35 points)
3. Didier Pironi (34 points)
4. Alain Prost (30 points)
5. Steffan Bellof (17 points)
6. Keke Rosberg (14 points)
7. Alessandro Nannini (11 points)
8. Andrea de Cesaris (9 points)
9. Nigel Mansell (9 points)
10. Jean-Pierre Jarier (7 points)
11. Jacques Laffitte (5 points)
12. Derek Warwick (5 points)
13. John Watson (4 points)
14. Stefan Johansson (3 points)
15. Ricardo Patrese (2 points)
16. René Arnoux (1 point)
17. Alan Jones (1 point)
18. Elio de Angelis (1 point)

Constructor's Championship
1. Ferrari (99 points)
2. Williams (56 points)
3. Arrows (25 points)
4. Brabham (13 points)
5. Tyrrell (12 points)
6. Minardi (11 points)
7. McLaren (5 points)
8. BMW (3 points)
9. Lotus (2 points)
10. Toleman (1 point)

There are 2* D&T opportunities before the next race *(4 for Williams, 3 for Ferrari, 1 for Minardi).

FantometteBR · Post by **FantometteBR** » 13 Sep 2017, 00:02

Downforce and Next year's car to McLaren

V8fan12 · Post by **V8fan12** » 13 Sep 2017, 00:10

Mechanical Grip and Next Years Car for Tyrrell please

Dexter249 · Post by **Dexter249** » 13 Sep 2017, 00:32

Reliability and Next Year's Car.

TheFlyingCaterham · Post by **TheFlyingCaterham** » 13 Sep 2017, 01:11

1 on next year's car, 1 for tyres

Nessafox · Post by **Nessafox** » 13 Sep 2017, 06:09

Holy shite we finished a race! Now we got to try to get Ferté on the grid as well.

+1 grip
-1 weight

CarloSpace · Post by **CarloSpace** » 13 Sep 2017, 06:28

We shouldn't be this bad really and Danner shouldn't be totally useless either.. But the time is running out on developing next year's car so let's put both D&T into next year's car.

This Could Be You · Post by **This Could Be You** » 13 Sep 2017, 06:53

I'm not quite sure why we've actually been docked five points since Silverstone, but still, third place seems safe-ish so we will spend our D&Ts on next year's car.

UPDATE: this does not appear to be an isolated issue- all of the WCC points standings ignore Silverstone. Thankfully the WDC is correct so it is possible to note the correct standings:

1. Ferrari 99pts
2. Williams 56pts
3. Arrows 25pts
4. Brabham 13pts
5. Tyrrell 12pts
6. Minardi 11pts
7. Mclaren 5pts
8. BMW 3pts
9. Lotus 2pts
10. Toleman 1pt

Collieafc · Post by **Collieafc** » 13 Sep 2017, 11:55

Williams will put all 4 of its D&T into next years car

Dom_Wings · Post by **Dom_Wings** » 13 Sep 2017, 17:59

Downforce and mechanical grip for Lola

Post by **DemocalypseNow** » 13 Sep 2017, 19:40

Scuderia Ferrari will switch engine development to increase power and spend 2 D&T tokens on the engine, plus a D&T token on next year's car.

Peteroli34 · Post by **Peteroli34** » 13 Sep 2017, 19:54

reduce drag and next years car

Post by **tommykl** » 13 Sep 2017, 20:01

Let's spend one opportunity on reliability, the other on next year's car.

Aislabie · Post by **Aislabie** » 14 Sep 2017, 09:45

Much as I'd like for Minardi to develop our downforce, it's time to focus on next year's car.

Also, it's something of a pleasant surprise to see how much better de Cesaris is doing for us than Patrese.

BioBiro · Post by **BioBiro** » 15 Sep 2017, 15:40

This Could Be You wrote:I'm not quite sure why we've actually been docked five points since Silverstone, but still, third place seems safe-ish so we will spend our D&Ts on next year's car.

Thank you for noticing and correcting this issue :twisted:

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It was... er~... the FIA's Lotus 1-2-3 diskette was a bit wobbly in the drive :roll:

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How does stuff like that happen? I don't understand. I have the same exact routine every race weekend, and I never forget to add the points up... except after the British Grand Prix, and only for the teams... for some reason.

Post by **DemocalypseNow** » 16 Sep 2017, 11:20

BioBiro wrote:How does stuff like that happen? I don't understand. I have the same exact routine every race weekend, and I never forget to add the points up... except after the British Grand Prix, and only for the teams... for some reason.

Gotta get your spreadsheet game on point. Don't carry the 1 in your head!

FantometteBR · Post by **FantometteBR** » 20 Sep 2017, 22:00

McLaren spends its two at grip and downforce

BioBiro · Post by **BioBiro** » 21 Sep 2017, 14:54

D&T after Round 9
... is thinking about releasing an album of love songs.

McLaren

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Mechanical grip increase of 5% (Mechanical grip = 56% > Mechanical grip = 61%). D&T cost was £800,000.
Downforce increase of 6% (Downforce = 49% > Downforce = 55%). D&T cost was £840,000.

Ferrari

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Engine horsepower increase of 6HP (Horsepower = 900HP > Horsepower = 906HP). D&T cost was £1,260,000.
Engine horsepower increase of 5HP (Horsepower = 906HP > Horsepower = 911HP). D&T cost was £1,320,000.
Development of next year's car. D&T cost was D&T cost was paid for by the Minardi team.

Tyrrell

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Mechanical grip increase of 5% (Mechanical grip = 51% > Mechanical grip = 56%). D&T cost was £680,000.
Development of next year's car. D&T cost was £720,000.

Alfa Romeo

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Drag decrease of 7% (Drag = 63% < Drag = 56%). D&T cost was £800,000.
Development of next year's car. D&T cost was £840,000.

Williams

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Development of next year's car. D&T cost was £800,000.
Development of next year's car. D&T cost was £840,000.
Development of next year's car. D&T cost was £880,000.
Development of next year's car. D&T cost was £920,000.

Arrows

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Development of next year's car. D&T cost was £800,000.
Development of next year's car. D&T cost was £840,000.

Osella Squadra Corse Alfa

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Development of next year's car. D&T cost was £680,000.
Tyre wet grip increase of 5% (Wet Grip = 40% > Wet Grip = 45%). D&T cost was waived.

Toleman

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Reliability increase of 9% (Reliability = 17% > Reliability = 26%). D&T cost was £640,000.
Development of next year's car. D&T cost was £680,000.

Spirit

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Reliability increase of 4% (Reliability = 24% > Reliability = 28%). D&T cost was £380,000.
Development of next year's car. D&T cost was £400,000.

Ligier

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Mechanical grip increase of 7% (Mechanical grip = 46% > Mechanical grip = 53%). D&T cost was £800,000.
Weight decrease of 4kg (Weight = 576kg < Weight = 572kg). D&T cost was £840,000.

Minardi

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Development of next year's car. D&T cost was £340,000.

Zakspeed

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Development of next year's car. D&T cost was £400,000.
Development of next year's car. D&T cost was £420,000.

Lola

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Downforce increase of 3% (Downforce = 43% > Downforce = 46%). D&T cost was £400,000.
Mechanical grip increase of 3% (Mechanical grip = 48% > Mechanical grip = 51%). D&T cost was £420,000.

BioBiro · Post by **BioBiro** » 21 Sep 2017, 14:54

Round 10 - Austrian Grand Prix, Österreichring, 18th August 1985

Qualifying Results:
If not for the hard work of Didier Pironi, it may have easily have been an all-Minardi front row in Austria. At over twenty kilometers-an-hour faster than second-place speed demons, Ferrari, the Formula One circus had to wonder how many teams would follow suit and begin designing 'unusually large' engines for next season. Prost's quickest hotlap was a typical piece of strategy from the Frenchman; one-point-two seconds off pole may sound like a lot, but when fellow competitors can't come close to it, he seemed quite calm about the situation. Instead, Prost concentrated on race setup, perhaps suspecting the Minardi's engines would eventually explode from the pressures of the Österreichring's high-revving corners.

Those with more powerful engines benefitted both up, and down, the grid; Pierluigi Martini showed some of the form that had made him a minor-star last season by qualifying fifth, Winkelhock put in one - not for the first time, this season - of several excellent qualifying performances, and Derek Daly's RAM seemed to inexplicably perform at its best at the quicker circuits, despite a significant horsepower disadvantage.

1. Didier Pironi - Ferrari (Goodyear) 01:24.516 (Trap: 275 km/h)
2. Andrea de Cesaris - Minardi-Ferrari (Pirelli) +0.401 (Trap: 298 km/h)
3. Ricardo Patrese - Minardi-Ferrari (Pirelli) +0.539 (Trap: 298 km/h)
4. Alain Prost - Ferrari (Goodyear) +01.212 (Trap: 278 km/h)
5. Pierluigi Martini - Osella Squadra Corse Alfa-Alfa Romeo (Pirelli) +01.311 (Trap: 265 km/h)
6. John Watson - Brabham-Porsche (Goodyear) +01.988 (Trap: 266 km/h)
7. Manfred Winkelhock - BMW (Pirelli) +02.168 (Trap: 271 km/h)
8. Steffan Bellof - Williams-BMW (Goodyear) +02.327 (Trap: 274 km/h)
9. Alessandro Nannini - Arrows-Alfa Romeo (Goodyear) +02.693 (Trap: 264 km/h)
10. Stefan Johansson - BMW (Pirelli) +02.963 (Trap: 272 km/h)
11. Nigel Mansell - Brabham-Porsche (Goodyear) +03.474 (Trap: 267 km/h)
12. Ayrton Senna - Williams-BMW (Goodyear) +03605 (Trap: 274 km/h)
13. Derek Daly - RAM-Hart (Pirelli) +04.248 (Trap: 259 km/h)
14. Teo Fabi - Osella Squadra Corse Alfa-Alfa Romeo (Pirelli) +04.698 (Trap: 266 km/h)
15. Michele Alboreto - Ferrari (Goodyear) +04.808 (Trap: 278 km/h)
16. Patrick Tambay - Alfa Romeo (Goodyear) +04.912 (Trap: 266 km/h)
17. Jacques Laffitte - McLaren-Honda (Goodyear) +04.946 (Trap: 262 km/h)
18. René Arnoux - Lotus-Renault (Pirelli) +04.995 (Trap: 262 km/h)
19. Elio de Angelis - Lotus-Renault (Pirelli) +05.513 (Trap: 263 km/h)
20. Derek Warwick - Tyrrell-BMW (Goodyear) +05.897 (Trap: 270 km/h)
21. Jean-Pierre Jarier - Tyrrell-BMW (Goodyear) +06.000 (Trap: 269 km/h)
22. Keke Rosberg - Arrows-Alfa Romeo (Goodyear) +06.633 (Trap: 270 km/h)
23. Nelson Piquet - McLaren-Honda (Goodyear) +06.674 (Trap: 266 km/h)
24. Desiré Wilson - Alfa Romeo (Goodyear) +07.538 (Trap: 265 km/h)
25. Corrado Fabi - Spirit-Hart (Pirelli) +07.611 (Trap: 252 km/h)
26. Eddie Cheever - Lola-Renault (Goodyear) +7.613 (Trap: 257 km/h)
DNQ. Alain Ferté - Ligier-Renault (Pirelli) +8.416 (Trap: 257 km/h)
DNQ. Thierry Boutsen - Toleman-Hart (Goodyear) +8.565 (Trap: 260 km/h)
DNQ. Philippe Streiff - Ligier-Renault (Pirelli) +8.623 (Trap: 261 km/h)
DNQ. Alan Jones - Toleman-Hart (Goodyear) +9.256 (Trap: 256 km/h)
DNQ. Christian Danner - Zakspeed (Pirelli) +10.200 (Trap: 266 km/h)

Race Results:
On race day, Prost emerged as the only Ferrari driver who seemed interested in challenging the non-scoring Ayrton Senna for the title. Despite being the filling in a Ferrari sandwich all weekend, Minardi maintaiened their starting positions in the race, de Cesaris leading briefly after Prost pitted on lap 34; their ten-points haul elevated them to fourth place in the Constructor's Championship, not far from new rival Arrows, who now look a little under threat.

The Williams drivers made good use of their BMW power, the German marquee's famous reliability proving critical due to running the engines with an additional 400RPM to stay competitive around the fastest track on the Grand Prix calender. Down the list of retirees, the Alfa engines used by the Arrows and Osella teams would not last the distance, and Laffite suffered a scary brake failure when he stepped on the pedal approaching the Bosch Kurve.

1. Alain Prost - Ferrari (Goodyear) 1hr 41:15.856
2. Andrea de Cesaris - Minardi-Ferrari (Pirelli) +0:07.154
3. Ricardo Patrese - Minardi-Ferrari (Pirelli) +0:44.124
4. Michele Alboreto - Ferrari (Goodyear) +0:58.553
5. Steffan Bellof - Williams-BMW (Goodyear) +01:32.259
6. Didier Pironi - Ferrari (Goodyear) +02:14.788
7. Ayrton Senna - Williams-BMW (Goodyear) +03:18.854
8. Elio de Angelis - Lotus-Renault (Pirelli) +04:20.310
9. John Watson - Brabham-Porsche (Goodyear) +04:30.691
10. René Arnoux - Lotus-Renault (Pirelli) +04:50.125
11. Patrick Tambay - Alfa Romeo (Goodyear) +05:28.395
Ret. Corrado Fabi - Spirit-Hart (Pirelli) - Suspension
Ret. Pierluigi Martini - Osella Squadra Corse Alfa-Alfa Romeo (Pirelli) - Overheating
Ret. Teo Fabi - Osella Squadra Corse Alfa-Alfa Romeo (Pirelli) - Turbo
Ret. Alessandro Nannini - Arrows-Alfa Romeo (Goodyear) - Turbo
Ret. Keke Rosberg - Arrows-Alfa Romeo (Goodyear) - Engine
Ret. Nelson Piquet - McLaren-Honda (Goodyear) - Turbo
Ret. Manfred Winkelhock - BMW (Pirelli) - Turbo
Ret. Derek Daly - RAM-Hart (Pirelli) - Electrical
Ret. Desiré Wilson - Alfa Romeo (Goodyear) - Gearbox
Ret. Jean-Pierre Jarier - Tyrrell-BMW (Goodyear) - Puncture
Ret. Derek Warwick - Tyrrell-BMW (Goodyear) - Accident
Ret. Nigel Mansell - Brabham-Porsche (Goodyear) - Turbo
Ret. Jacques Laffitte - McLaren-Honda (Goodyear) - Brakes
Ret. Stefan Johansson - BMW (Pirelli) - Engine
Ret. Eddie Cheever - Lola-Renault (Goodyear) - Driveshaft

Championship Standings:
Driver's Championship
1. Ayrton Senna (39 points)
2. Alain Prost (39 points)
3. Michele Alboreto (38 points)
4. Didier Pironi (35 points)
5. Steffan Bellof (19 points)
6. Andrea de Cesaris (15 points)
7. Keke Rosberg (14 points)
8. Alessandro Nannini (11 points)
9. Nigel Mansell (9 points)
10. Jean-Pierre Jarier (7 points)
11. Ricardo Patrese (6 points)
12. Jacques Laffitte (5 points)
13. Derek Warwick (5 points)
14. John Watson (4 points)
15. Stefan Johansson (3 points)
16. René Arnoux (1 point)
17. Alan Jones (1 point)
18. Elio de Angelis (1 point)

Constructor's Championship
1. Ferrari (112 points)
2. Williams (58 points)
3. Arrows (25 points)
4. Minardi (21 points)
5. Brabham (13 points)
6. Tyrrell (12 points)
7. McLaren (5 points)
8. BMW (3 points)
9. Lotus (2 points)
10. Toleman (1 point)

There are 2* D&T opportunities before the next race *(3 for Ferrari and Williams, 1 for Minardi).

Dexter249 · Post by **Dexter249** » 21 Sep 2017, 14:57

Mechanical Grip increase and Next Year's car.

This Could Be You · Post by **This Could Be You** » 21 Sep 2017, 15:46

Arrows will spend 1 D&T on reliability, and then cease spending in 1985 until further notice- we are dangerously low on funds, even compared to last year.

CarloSpace · Post by **CarloSpace** » 21 Sep 2017, 16:39

How can we be so slow despite having a relatively powerful engine, I'm lost

1 drag and 1 next year, please.

Post by **tommykl** » 21 Sep 2017, 16:40

Both credits will go toward next year's car.

Aislabie · Post by **Aislabie** » 21 Sep 2017, 18:08

That's much more what we were expecting from our challenger this year! Our main goal has to be to overhaul Arrows in the Championship this year, but I reckon we can do that anyway - I'm going to say this next D&T should be spent on the 1986 car.

TheFlyingCaterham · Post by **TheFlyingCaterham** » 21 Sep 2017, 21:23

Osella will spend 1 D&T on reliability and the other on next year's car.

thor97 · Post by **thor97** » 21 Sep 2017, 21:46

All on Next years car

Aislabie · Post by **Aislabie** » 22 Sep 2017, 10:22

One other thing I was wondering - Williams now has an F3000 junior team. What are the costs and benefits, and would Minardi be able to do the same?

BioBiro · Post by **BioBiro** » 22 Sep 2017, 15:34

Aislabie wrote:One other thing I was wondering - Williams now has an F3000 junior team. What are the costs and benefits, and would Minardi be able to do the same?

Hellooo~

You may find an overview of the deal, in this post.

On the surface, at least, it appears to be quite the deal, wouldn't you agree?

Aislabie wrote:would Minardi be able to do the same?

Unfortunately, no Formula 3000 teams are currently interested in forming a partnership with the Minardi Formula One team.

CarloSpace wrote:How can we be so slow despite having a relatively powerful engine, I'm lost

820HP is not very much, these days! IIRC, you are in receipt of a new, bespoke, in-house, 'next generation', eight-cylinder turbocharged engine for 1986...

Dom_Wings · Post by **Dom_Wings** » 22 Sep 2017, 16:50

Lola will spend both D&T opportunities on drag reduction and next year's car.