The Alessandro Zanardi IndyCar Thread

Wallio · Post by **Wallio** » 27 Aug 2013, 14:41

Dj_bereta wrote:Will Power survived the carnage race (like Toronto 2011) and wins.

For ROTR, I was planning to give it to Marco Andretti, for being a moron in every restart in this race, forcing you path, making contact with the others and almost causing a massive crash in pit straight in one of these restarts. Castroneves was very very lucky to escape of Marco's antics.

But after this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ddyn1SNl2nM

There's no other ROTR options than STEWARDS! for penalizing the leader Dixon for that! This is one of most ludicrous penalties that I even see in my life! Its clearly was the Penske's pitcrew member fault in that incident! Also, this affects the championship as well, greatly helping Castroneves. Another reason to I give it to stewards its because Marco didn't got a penalty for your antics.

Special Mentions to:

Dragon Racing: Your drivers caused 4 incidents. Saavedra is following Cecotto's footsteps very well.
KV racing strategist: Just go home! another useless strategy for TK.
Charlie Kimball: Mid-Ohio hero to Somona zero. Spun off and makes a ridiculous move on Sato.

I'm sorry, I don't want to come off as hostile, but what race did you actually watch? Because during Sunday's race, Dixon clearly drove through Powers pitbox and took out FOUR crew guys (the two he hit, one who got hit with the tyre, and one with the air gun)! The overhead replay (which Barfeld used and NBCSN ignored) showed just how far into Power's ox he was. Ignore the painted "pitboxes" they're for NASCAR and as Barfeld said (and NBC again ignored) they don't matter here. Plus go one youtube and watch Dixon's previous pitstops, the tyre changer does the SAME DAMN THING each time, and never gets hit. But clearly he jumped in front of the car. Despite hugging his own team car well inside his own pitbox. Dixon is a whiner (as is all of the Target team) and I'm glad he didn't get away with it. The rules are clear, hit ANYTHING in the pits, get a penalty. Simple. If Barnhart was still around no doubt he'd let it go, but if anything, that should tell you it was the right call to make.

Salamander · Post by **Salamander** » 27 Aug 2013, 16:51

Wallio wrote: The overhead replay (which Barfeld used and NBCSN ignored) showed just how far into Power's ox he was.

You do realise, of course, that if Dixon turned right hard to avoid the tyre carrier, all that would've happened was that he would've been hit harder with the left rear.

Ignore the painted "pitboxes" they're for NASCAR and as Barfeld said (and NBC again ignored) they don't matter here.

NBC actually did mention that.

Wallio · Post by **Wallio** » 27 Aug 2013, 17:09

Salamander wrote:
Wallio wrote: The overhead replay (which Barfeld used and NBCSN ignored) showed just how far into Power's ox he was.

You do realise, of course, that if Dixon turned right hard to avoid the tyre carrier, all that would've happened was that he would've been hit harder with the left rear.

Ignore the painted "pitboxes" they're for NASCAR and as Barfeld said (and NBC again ignored) they don't matter here.

NBC actually did mention that.

I do realize that, but that's only because of how far he drove it into Power's pit. If he left normally, again, as he had done several times before, there would be no issue. And I don't recall NBC mentioning that. Race control did, but NBC's as usual horribly Pro Ganassi announcers were just going on and on about how the tyre changer "deserved it" and power should get a penalty, blah blah blah. Many people, myself included, have been hammering them for this on MotorsportsTalk, the official NBCSN blog.

Salamander · Post by **Salamander** » 27 Aug 2013, 17:16

Wallio wrote:I do realize that, but that's only because of how far he drove it into Power's pit. If he left normally, again, as he had done several times before, there would be no issue. And I don't recall NBC mentioning that. Race control did, but NBC's as usual horribly Pro Ganassi announcers were just going on and on about how the tyre changer "deserved it" and power should get a penalty, blah blah blah. Many people, myself included, have been hammering them for this on MotorsportsTalk, the official NBCSN blog.

What the hell. Nobody on air said the tyre changer "deserved it", they only said it looked like he walked into Dixon. Which it did. Also, I'm not going to go looking for a replay or a picture somewhere on the internet - if you're going to insist Dixon was too far in to Power's pit, the least you could do is provide a video of it.

Wallio · Post by **Wallio** » 27 Aug 2013, 17:23

Salamander wrote:
Wallio wrote:I do realize that, but that's only because of how far he drove it into Power's pit. If he left normally, again, as he had done several times before, there would be no issue. And I don't recall NBC mentioning that. Race control did, but NBC's as usual horribly Pro Ganassi announcers were just going on and on about how the tyre changer "deserved it" and power should get a penalty, blah blah blah. Many people, myself included, have been hammering them for this on MotorsportsTalk, the official NBCSN blog.

What the hell. Nobody on air said the tyre changer "deserved it", they only said it looked like he walked into Dixon. Which it did. Also, I'm not going to go looking for a replay or a picture somewhere on the internet - if you're going to insist Dixon was too far in to Power's pit, the least you could do is provide a video of it.

Sigh, I told you what video to watch. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zkgu8hTdowo

Note the Target pit ends at that canopy thingy, again, the pit box lines do not matter here. At 12 seconds in, 100% of Scott's car, is CLEARLY in will powers pitbox. And again, you can see how much room Scott had to pull out into pit lane, but no, he drove over 4 mechanics. NBC refused to show this as a replay during the race. Barfeld even called them out on this "show all the angles, not just one" and then they showed It once, and dismissed it. Wally even said the guy deserved it, by saying that's what you get jumping in the way. Which is sickening.

But again, the rule is, you hit anything, ANYTHING, on pit road its a penalty. I don't understand how people are ok with teams getting a penalty for running over an air hose (which is semi-common) but a guy takes out FOUR CREWMAN, and its cool. ,akes zero sense.

Salamander · Post by **Salamander** » 27 Aug 2013, 17:52

Wallio wrote:Sigh, I told you what video to watch. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zkgu8hTdowo

No, you didn't. You said "go one youtube and watch Dixon's previous pitstops". I'm not going to search on YouTube for specific videos that I don't know the name of.

Note the Target pit ends at that canopy thingy, again, the pit box lines do not matter here. At 12 seconds in, 100% of Scott's car, is CLEARLY in will powers pitbox.

From that above angle, you can clearly see Dixon stops within his pit area. When leaving he turns hard right and stamps on the throttle, as you're supposed to do when leaving the pits. He's IMMEDIATELY turning right as soon as he pulls away. You'll also notice when Dixon stops at the start of that video, his tyre changer on the front right doesn't have to move at all. He's exactly on his marks, exactly where he's supposed to be.

And again, you can see how much room Scott had to pull out into pit lane, but no, he drove over 4 mechanics.

What room!? He turns as hard right as he was able! You make it sound like he had a good 50 meters to avoid Power's crew! He didn't! And I don't see where you're getting these other two crewmen from. There were two guys on the floor, the tyre carrier and the guy at the back of Power's car. Where are these other 2 guys?

NBC refused to show this as a replay during the race.

They showed it once. I agree that they should've

Wally even said the guy deserved it, by saying that's what you get jumping in the way. Which is sickening.

No, that's you taking what he said and twisting it so it seems malicious.

But again, the rule is, you hit anything, ANYTHING, on pit road its a penalty. I don't understand how people are ok with teams getting a penalty for running over an air hose (which is semi-common) but a guy takes out FOUR CREWMAN, and its cool. ,akes zero sense.

Yeah, but the fact is Dixon could've done nothing differently. He stops on his marks, his crew service his car. They finish, he leaves, hits the throttle and turns right to get around Power's car as hard as he could without sliding the rear and hitting Power's crew member full on with the left-rear. Please tell me what in this sequence of events Dixon should've done differently.

Wallio · Post by **Wallio** » 27 Aug 2013, 18:00

Salamander wrote:
Yeah, but the fact is Dixon could've done nothing differently. He stops on his marks, his crew service his car. They finish, he leaves, hits the throttle and turns right to get around Power's car as hard as he could without sliding the rear and hitting Power's crew member full on with the left-rear. Please tell me what in this sequence of events Dixon should've done differently.

Except that he DID do it differently multiple times during the very same race! And he did have PLENTLY of room to not run over crew guys. Not 50 ft, but he drove a good 10-15ft before turning the wheel. By that point he was wayyy into powers box. You can see what you want to see, but the film doesn't lie, which is why NBC didn't show it until they were called out on it.

Salamander · Post by **Salamander** » 27 Aug 2013, 18:57

Wallio wrote:
Salamander wrote:Yeah, but the fact is Dixon could've done nothing differently. He stops on his marks, his crew service his car. They finish, he leaves, hits the throttle and turns right to get around Power's car as hard as he could without sliding the rear and hitting Power's crew member full on with the left-rear. Please tell me what in this sequence of events Dixon should've done differently.

Except that he DID do it differently multiple times during the very same race!

Then prove it. Also nice work dodging what I asked of you. If you're not going to answer it the least you could've done is cut it out of my argument.

And he did have PLENTLY of room to not run over crew guys. Not 50 ft, but he drove a good 10-15ft before turning the wheel. By that point he was wayyy into powers box. You can see what you want to see, but the film doesn't lie, which is why NBC didn't show it until they were called out on it.

Rubbish.

This is what your video shows. Dixon is turning right as he is leaving his pit. He has to be.

First picture is the exact moment he leaves, with his front tyres on the white line.
Second picture is a few instants later, as his car is now centered over that white line. You can tell the car has rotated to the right as it is now aimed at Power's right-rear instead of directly at Power's rear. Dixon has turned right.
Third picture is a few more instants later, his rear wheels now passed over the white line. Dixon's car is no longer aimed at Power's, but at his crew, proving that he has continued to turn right.
Fourth picture is another few more instants later, with his car now fully past that white line. The perspective makes it a little difficult to tell, but the fact that his car would at worst clip the crew member with his left-front endplate, not the full brunt of the left-front wing, is proof that Dixon is still turning right up to this point.
Fifth picture is at the moment of collision between Dixon's car and the crewman. Dixon has stopped turning right by now because that would just angle the car so it hits the crewman harder with his left-rear.

You are correct, the film does not lie. And while it's limitation to 360p prevents closer analysis, what it does show is that Dixon was turning right as soon as he began leaving his pit. It does not show Dixon not turning right until a few instants before hitting the crew member, which would have, as you have agreed, only ensured that he would've been hit harder.

nome66 · Post by **nome66** » 29 Aug 2013, 18:51

got my Tickets for Baltimore. Pics, Interviews with Crew/Drivers/etc., and inquiries for positions all in one post later....
THINGS I WILL DO::
asking Justin Wilson his opinions/concerns about things unrelated to motorsports. also THE question that i always want to ask every F1-Turned-Indy driver..."how did you feel about the Minardis?"
try to find Leigh Diffey and ask him stuff about V8 Supercars.
find NBC reps and ask about a position.
IF ANY OTHER REJECTS MEMBERS ARE ATTENDING(i highly doubt it lol) I'll be wearing the "we want SPEED" T-shirt tomorrow.
also, this thing showed up to my school yesterday. no Panther/DRR dudes in sight, though. just the empty display shell.

RealRacingRoots · Post by **RealRacingRoots** » 30 Aug 2013, 00:29

Go check out the Falken Tire ALMS garage if you could. Bunch of nice dudes, and they're going for 3 of 3 at the streets of Baltimore.

TomWazzleshaw · Post by **TomWazzleshaw** » 30 Aug 2013, 01:33

Kurt Busch wants to race at Indy next year

He also wants to race at Fontana as well. This cannot end well :lol:

Onxy Wrecked · Post by **Onxy Wrecked** » 30 Aug 2013, 03:13

Wizzie wrote:Kurt Busch wants to race at Indy next year

He also wants to race at Fontana as well. This cannot end well

Especially given what happened to Stanton Barrett when he attempted to jump from NASCAR to IndyCar. At last, Kurt Busch is a few calibers better than Stanton but it's risky given what happened to Tony Stewart in Iowa or might end up like Detroit for A.J. Allmendinger with a fruitless effort.

Salamander · Post by **Salamander** » 30 Aug 2013, 05:44

Onxy Wrecked wrote:
Wizzie wrote:Kurt Busch wants to race at Indy next year

He also wants to race at Fontana as well. This cannot end well

Especially given what happened to Stanton Barrett when he attempted to jump from NASCAR to IndyCar. At last, Kurt Busch is a few calibers better than Stanton but it's risky given what happened to Tony Stewart in Iowa or might end up like Detroit for A.J. Allmendinger with a fruitless effort.

Let's not write him off until he's at least turned a wheel in practice, hmm?

nome66 · Post by **nome66** » 30 Aug 2013, 23:22

i'm back from Friday practice.
lots of fun stuff including Munoz locking his front wheel in slow motion!

nome66 · Post by **nome66** » 31 Aug 2013, 00:10

https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?v=10202021409083716
i don't know if this will work for all you guys

dinizintheoven · Post by **dinizintheoven** » 31 Aug 2013, 12:27

nome66 wrote:https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?v=10202021409083716
i don't know if this will work for all you guys

It works fine as long as I'm running Safari. I've got an old version of OS X which makes Chrome shriek and squeal and stamp its virtual feet at the mere sight of Flash ("Couldn't load plug-in" yet again), but the native browser is OK. Should be good for everyone else who's Flash-equipped.

Gerudo Dragon · Post by **Gerudo Dragon** » 31 Aug 2013, 18:06

Josef Newgarden is 5th.

...How?

nome66 · Post by **nome66** » 01 Sep 2013, 01:24

i was there and Vautier and rahal collided under yellow.... that's how
Rahal overcooked it into turn 8, Vautier followed suit... into the back of Rahal.
this shortened the fast six session.

apple2009 · Post by **apple2009** » 01 Sep 2013, 17:56

I don't like this track.

nome66 · Post by **nome66** » 02 Sep 2013, 00:02

yeah so i was there.... and the final nine laps were exciting.
and the Minivan Guy won. i'm a genie.
the caution laps were getting a bit tedious and annoying.
Marco leading with a wounded car was pretty cool, short lived and doomed, but cool.

Gerudo Dragon · Post by **Gerudo Dragon** » 02 Sep 2013, 00:06

Can Indycar ban Rahal please?

good_Ralf · Post by **good_Ralf** » 02 Sep 2013, 00:11

Ugh, Sato DNFs again

By the way, is Simon Pagenaud the first Frenchman to win in IndyCar...? Oops, I forgot Bourdais, my bad. :oops:

Salamander · Post by **Salamander** » 02 Sep 2013, 00:38

Dark77 wrote:Can Indycar ban Rahal please?

I wish they would, but they probably won't. But it sure looks like dropping Rahal and keeping Kimball on was a great call on Chip Ganassi's part.

go_Rubens · Post by **go_Rubens** » 02 Sep 2013, 00:41

Salamander wrote:
Dark77 wrote:Can Indycar ban Rahal please?

I wish they would, but they probably won't. But it sure looks like dropping Rahal and keeping Kimball on was a great call on Chip Ganassi's part.

Rahal has done nothing of note in terms of on track performance. So yes.

Onxy Wrecked · Post by **Onxy Wrecked** » 02 Sep 2013, 03:49

Dark77 wrote:Can Indycar ban Rahal please?

At one time Graham Rahal was good. I think it was when he was still in CART.

RealRacingRoots · Post by **RealRacingRoots** » 02 Sep 2013, 05:11

Please tell me you saw the reject-ful ALMS race on the Saturday Nome; or at least THAT START.

Otherwise, typical Baltimore. This weekend was rather bad for mass-brain-fades: Nascar Trucks, ALMS and Indy were all affected by people leaving their brains at home...

Salamander · Post by **Salamander** » 02 Sep 2013, 05:39

go_Rubens wrote:
Salamander wrote:
Dark77 wrote:Can Indycar ban Rahal please?

I wish they would, but they probably won't. But it sure looks like dropping Rahal and keeping Kimball on was a great call on Chip Ganassi's part.

Rahal has done nothing of note in terms of on track performance. So yes.

Yeah, but don't forget at the end of last year Kimball finished 19th in points and Rahal 10th.

F1000X · Post by **F1000X** » 02 Sep 2013, 08:15

Salamander wrote:
go_Rubens wrote:Rahal has done nothing of note in terms of on track performance. So yes.

Yeah, but don't forget at the end of last year Kimball finished 19th in points and Rahal 10th.

Rahal could have been 5th in championship, he still wouldn't keep his seat next to the Duke of Diabeetus.

Wow. Longggggg shitty race, with 9 decent laps at the end. The track surface appeared to suck even more than in previous years. The front straight chicane ruining restarts as usual. A little sad Josef or Sebastian "The Champ Chump" Bourdais didn't win.

Aerospeed · Post by **Aerospeed** » 02 Sep 2013, 14:44

good_Ralf wrote:
By the way, is Simon Pagenaud the first Frenchman to win in IndyCar...? Oops, I forgot Bourdais, my bad.

Pagenaud won the second Detroit race, unless if I'm mistaken?
Good victory for him. Couldn't catch the race since I was at a friends house that day. Pagenaud seems to be rising up the standings. And how does Justin Wilson stand higher than Dario Franchitti??? :shock:

good_Ralf · Post by **good_Ralf** » 02 Sep 2013, 14:47

Aerospeed wrote:
good_Ralf wrote:
By the way, is Simon Pagenaud the first Frenchman to win in IndyCar...? Oops, I forgot Bourdais, my bad.

Pagenaud won the second Detroit race, unless if I'm mistaken?
Good victory for him. Couldn't catch the race since I was at a friends house that day. Pagenaud seems to be rising up the standings. And how does Justin Wilson stand higher than Dario Franchitti???

You're right about the Frenchman winning in Motown. Pagenaud could even be a title contender at this stage.

Aerospeed · Post by **Aerospeed** » 02 Sep 2013, 14:48

good_Ralf wrote:
Aerospeed wrote:
good_Ralf wrote:
By the way, is Simon Pagenaud the first Frenchman to win in IndyCar...? Oops, I forgot Bourdais, my bad.

Pagenaud won the second Detroit race, unless if I'm mistaken?
Good victory for him. Couldn't catch the race since I was at a friends house that day. Pagenaud seems to be rising up the standings. And how does Justin Wilson stand higher than Dario Franchitti???

You're right about the Frenchman winning in Motown. Pagenaud could even be a title contender at this stage.

It's a bit of a longshot - but a double victory in Houston would certainly boost his title hopes.

Salamander · Post by **Salamander** » 02 Sep 2013, 17:31

Aerospeed wrote:And how does Justin Wilson stand higher than Dario Franchitti???

Because Wilson is awesome and Franchitti is over the hill.

good_Ralf · Post by **good_Ralf** » 02 Sep 2013, 18:00

Salamander wrote:
Aerospeed wrote:And how does Justin Wilson stand higher than Dario Franchitti???

Because Wilson is awesome and Franchitti is over the hill.

And Wilson is an F1 Reject...

nome66 · Post by **nome66** » 02 Sep 2013, 19:22

RealRacingRoots wrote:Please tell me you saw the reject-ful ALMS race on the Saturday Nome; or at least THAT START.

Otherwise, typical Baltimore. This weekend was rather bad for mass-brain-fades: Nascar Trucks, ALMS and Indy were all affected by people leaving their brains at home...

yes. it happened RIGHT INFRONT OF WHERE I WAS SITTING. let's keep this in the sportscar thread, though.

ANYWAYS
My recap of the open wheel action!

Alextrax52 · Post by **Alextrax52** » 04 Sep 2013, 15:37

I think things might be getting messy

http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/109641

nome66 · Post by **nome66** » 04 Sep 2013, 22:00

because Will swerved and hit him? why not complain to Will?

Salamander · Post by **Salamander** » 04 Sep 2013, 22:09

nome66 wrote:because Will swerved and hit him? why not complain to Will?

No, because Dixon felt his car could be repaired but IndyCar refused to return it to the pits to allow his team to do that. Plus, the call at Sonoma...

nome66 · Post by **nome66** » 04 Sep 2013, 22:12

aaahhhh i had not known that. i am too a little weirded out by that. seemed repairable to me. walked right past it in the paddock after the race.

TomWazzleshaw · Post by **TomWazzleshaw** » 04 Sep 2013, 22:15

nome66 wrote:aaahhhh i had not known that. i am too a little weirded out by that. seemed repairable to me. walked right past it in the paddock after the race.

NBC mentioned during the broadcast that IndyCar officials won't return the cars to the pits unless there's less than 10 laps to go, or something along those lines.

Salamander · Post by **Salamander** » 04 Sep 2013, 22:25

Wizzie wrote:
nome66 wrote:aaahhhh i had not known that. i am too a little weirded out by that. seemed repairable to me. walked right past it in the paddock after the race.

NBC mentioned during the broadcast that IndyCar officials won't return the cars to the pits unless there's less than 10 laps to go, or something along those lines.

That's kind of bullshite.