F1 Alternativ: season 1990

Hermann95 · Post by **Hermann95** » 25 Aug 2013, 00:21

Team Budgets

Ferrari 19,8m$
Tyrell -0,79m$
Williams 11,9m$
Brabham 1,7m$
Footwork Arrows 0,9m$
Lotus 2,9m$
Osella 4,65m$
Leyton House 2,7m$
AGS 1,75m$
Benneton 11,4m$
BMS-Dallara -0,5m$
Minardi -2,2m$
Ligier 1,0m$
Mclaren 7,0m$
Larrousse 4,9m$
Coloni 0,1m$
Euro Brun -9,5m$
Onyx 0,69m$

The following teams have high technical upgrades under development at the moment:
Tyrell(Active suspension)
Lotus(Adjustable Rear Wing)
Benneton(Sequential Gearbox)
Dallara(Adjustable Front Wing)
Minardi(Active Suspension)
Larrousse(Power Steering)
Eurobrun(Adjustable Rear Wing, Power Steering, Sequential Gearbox)
Onyx(Power Steering)

Shizuka · Post by **Shizuka** » 25 Aug 2013, 06:06

Hermann95 wrote:Larrousse

Power steering system didn't work

Damn it!

Peteroli34 · Post by **Peteroli34** » 25 Aug 2013, 17:14

Hermann95 wrote:Testing

Tyrell

Active suspension system didn't worked

We needed this to work to rescue our season

By the way Tyrrell brought an upgrade for the engine before the Mexican GP but it doesnt seem to have been taken from our budget does that mean that we didnt get it

Hermann95 · Post by **Hermann95** » 25 Aug 2013, 22:55

peteroli34 wrote:
By the way Tyrrell brought an upgrade for the engine before the Mexican GP but it doesnt seem to have been taken from our budget does that mean that we didnt get it

Sorry...you had the engine update on the car but i just forgot to deduct the money from your budget!
Same for Williams! Seams i just forgott about the money from the Renault engine update!

FMecha · Post by **FMecha** » 26 Aug 2013, 01:58

RE Tyrrell, I take the Irvine offer.

TomWazzleshaw · Post by **TomWazzleshaw** » 26 Aug 2013, 06:23

peteroli34 wrote:
We need to get rid of that gold statue of Eddie Irvine dont know what Ken Tyrrell was smoking when he brought it

Tyrrell will let you have Irvine for 50K

I'll take that statue off you for a fiver

Hermann95 · Post by **Hermann95** » 26 Aug 2013, 08:32

FMecha wrote:RE Tyrrell, I take the Irvine offer.

So Eddie Irvine will now be your 2nd driver! What a bout testing? Will he still be testing for Tyrell or is he allowed to test for Onyx?

PS: Once that is sortet out the french GP isn't far!

Peteroli34 · Post by **Peteroli34** » 26 Aug 2013, 09:04

Hermann95 wrote:
FMecha wrote:RE Tyrrell, I take the Irvine offer.

So Eddie Irvine will now be your 2nd driver! What a bout testing? Will he still be testing for Tyrell or is he allowed to test for Onyx?

PS: Once that is sortet out the french GP isn't far!

Irvine will race and test for Onyx as a result Tyrrell will like to hire a new test driver and as we are in debt we need them to bring some money.
Tyrrell would like to know how much these following drivers can offer us

Maurício Gugelmin
Martin Donnelly
Phillipe Alliot

Post by **Ataxia** » 26 Aug 2013, 09:11

Hermann95 wrote:Team Budgets

Euro Brun -9,5m$

The following teams have high technical upgrades under development at the moment:
Eurobrun(Adjustable Rear Wing, Power Steering, Sequential Gearbox)

If you're gonna let them do all that, then why the hell do we have budgets?

pycku · Post by **pycku** » 26 Aug 2013, 10:32

Can you give a list of available drivers,asin thinking about sacking arnoux and getting a new driver

Hermann95 · Post by **Hermann95** » 26 Aug 2013, 10:34

Ataxia wrote:
Hermann95 wrote:Team Budgets

Euro Brun -9,5m$

The following teams have high technical upgrades under development at the moment:
Eurobrun(Adjustable Rear Wing, Power Steering, Sequential Gearbox)

If you're gonna let them do all that, then why the hell do we have budgets?

Once he is in debt with over 10m$ he can't do anything! Next season the budget system will also be a little different!
I think that Eurobrun will hardly make it to the grid next season because 10 m$ from sponsors won't be easy to achieve!

Hermann95 · Post by **Hermann95** » 26 Aug 2013, 10:35

Available drivers:
Andrea Chiesa
Andrea Montermini
Bruno Giacomelli
Christian Danner
David Brabham
Eddie Cheever
Emanuele Pirro
Giani Morbidelli
Joachim Winkelhock
Johnny Dumfries
Jonathan Palmer
Marco Apicella
Martin Donnelly
Philippe Alliot

Hermann95 · Post by **Hermann95** » 26 Aug 2013, 10:40

peteroli34 wrote:
Hermann95 wrote:
FMecha wrote:RE Tyrrell, I take the Irvine offer.

So Eddie Irvine will now be your 2nd driver! What a bout testing? Will he still be testing for Tyrell or is he allowed to test for Onyx?

PS: Once that is sortet out the french GP isn't far!

Irvine will race and test for Onyx as a result Tyrrell will like to hire a new test driver and as we are in debt we need them to bring some money.
Tyrrell would like to know how much these following drivers can offer us

Maurício Gugelmin
Martin Donnelly
Phillipe Alliot

Mauricio Gugelmin
1-20...can't offer some money
21-55...250k$
56-75...500k$
76-90...750k$
91-100...1m$
32 can provide 250k.

Martin Donnelly
1-20...can't offer some money
21-55...250k$
56-75...500k$
76-90...750k$
91-100...1m$
3 can't provide any money.

Phillipe Alliot
1-20...can't offer some money
21-55...250k$
56-75...500k$
76-90...750k$
91-100...1m$
41 can provide 250k

Peteroli34 · Post by **Peteroli34** » 26 Aug 2013, 10:42

Hermann95 wrote:
Mauricio Gugelmin
1-20...can't offer some money
21-55...250k$
56-75...500k$
76-90...750k$
91-100...1m$
32 can provide 250k.

Martin Donnelly
1-20...can't offer some money
21-55...250k$
56-75...500k$
76-90...750k$
91-100...1m$
3 can't provide any money.

Phillipe Alliot
1-20...can't offer some money
21-55...250k$
56-75...500k$
76-90...750k$
91-100...1m$
41 can provide 250k

We will take Gugelmin 250K and he will replace irvine as our test driver

Hermann95 · Post by **Hermann95** » 26 Aug 2013, 11:25

Please sort out your driver changes until tomorrow!

VOTING:
I have 2 very important questinons on my table!
Every team will have to vote! If a team owner don't vote he will get a reprimant! 2 reprimants and the team owner will be out!

Question 1
Reliability System
I have worked out a complete new reliability system! It will hopefully more realistic. Teams will be able to test the reliability of the cars in order to make it better!

When should i implement it?
A: start of 1991
B: after the 8th race 1990

Question 2
Driver signing

When should w start the process for 1991?
A: start of 1991
B: after the 8th race of 1990
C: after the 12th race of 1990

Please vote until 2nd of September!

takagi_for_the_win · Post by **takagi_for_the_win** » 26 Aug 2013, 11:33

Hermann95 wrote:Please sort out your driver changes until tomorrow!

VOTING:
I have 2 very important questinons on my table!
Every team will have to vote! If a team owner don't vote he will get a reprimant! 2 reprimants and the team owner will be out!

Question 1
Reliability System
I have worked out a complete new reliability system! It will hopefully more realistic. Teams will be able to test the reliability of the cars in order to make it better!

When should i implement it?
A: start of 1991
B: after the 8th race 1990

Question 2
Driver signing

When should w start the process for 1991?
A: start of 1991
B: after the 8th race of 1990
C: after the 12th race of 1990

Please vote until 2nd of August!

For issue 1, we vote after the 8th race of this season. Thus, if it needs to be tweaked for whatever reason, we don't need to go through the same rigmarole next season.

For issue 2, we vote after the 12th race of this season.

Alextrax52 · Post by **Alextrax52** » 26 Aug 2013, 11:40

Ferrari have voted that Question 1 should be the start of 1991 and Question 2 should be after the 12th race of 1990

FullMetalJack · Post by **FullMetalJack** » 26 Aug 2013, 11:46

Hermann95 wrote:Please sort out your driver changes until tomorrow!

VOTING:
I have 2 very important questinons on my table!
Every team will have to vote! If a team owner don't vote he will get a reprimant! 2 reprimants and the team owner will be out!

Question 1
Reliability System
I have worked out a complete new reliability system! It will hopefully more realistic. Teams will be able to test the reliability of the cars in order to make it better!

When should i implement it?
A: start of 1991
B: after the 8th race 1990

Question 2
Driver signing

When should w start the process for 1991?
A: start of 1991
B: after the 8th race of 1990
C: after the 12th race of 1990

Please vote until 2nd of August!

2nd August? That's either a very long time to vote, or you've mastered time travel.

FMecha · Post by **FMecha** » 26 Aug 2013, 12:14

1. Option A
2. Option C

Salamander · Post by **Salamander** » 26 Aug 2013, 12:15

1. 8th race of 1990
2. 12th race of 1990

Peteroli34 · Post by **Peteroli34** » 26 Aug 2013, 13:00

Reliability should be implemented after round 8

1991 drivers is a bit of a difficult situation as we dont know how much budget we have for 1991 so we should really sort out the sponsership you are planning for 1991 first. so i would sort out drivers at the end of the season

Hermann would you mind updating tyrrell budget to take into account irvine going to onyx and being replaced as tyrrell test driver by gugelmin

Shizuka · Post by **Shizuka** » 26 Aug 2013, 13:20

Salamander wrote:1. 8th race of 1990
2. 12th race of 1990

Larrousse would go this way too.

good_Ralf · Post by **good_Ralf** » 26 Aug 2013, 13:32

EuroBrun

Reliability - After 8 rounds of 1990
Driver Line-Ups - After 12 rounds of 1990

Post by **Ataxia** » 26 Aug 2013, 14:44

Hermann95 wrote:Please sort out your driver changes until tomorrow!

VOTING:
I have 2 very important questinons on my table!
Every team will have to vote! If a team owner don't vote he will get a reprimant! 2 reprimants and the team owner will be out!

Question 1
Reliability System
I have worked out a complete new reliability system! It will hopefully more realistic. Teams will be able to test the reliability of the cars in order to make it better!

When should i implement it?
A: start of 1991
B: after the 8th race 1990

Question 2
Driver signing

When should w start the process for 1991?
A: start of 1991
B: after the 8th race of 1990
C: after the 12th race of 1990

Please vote until 2nd of August!

1) A
2) C

UncreativeUsername37 · Post by **UncreativeUsername37** » 26 Aug 2013, 14:46

1. Start of 1991
2. 12th race of 1990

SeedStriker · Post by **SeedStriker** » 26 Aug 2013, 14:48

1.- 8th race of 1990
2.- 12th race of 1990

Bleu · Post by **Bleu** » 26 Aug 2013, 15:03

Question 1
B

Question 2
B with intent to re-sign current drivers, C for the rest.

Klon · Post by **Klon** » 26 Aug 2013, 15:34

Ataxia wrote:1) A
2) C

I agree with Ataxia, even though the vote has ended 24 days ago.

Hermann95 · Post by **Hermann95** » 26 Aug 2013, 16:17

FullMetalJack wrote:
2nd August? That's either a very long time to vote, or you've mastered time travel.

Sorry for that...i've just edited it.

Hermann95 · Post by **Hermann95** » 26 Aug 2013, 16:25

peteroli34 wrote:Hermann would you mind updating tyrrell budget to take into account irvine going to onyx and being replaced as tyrrell test driver by gugelmin

Updated for Tyrell and Onyx. Please note that i have to deduct the until yet unpayd salary for Irvine from the Onyx budget and give it back to Tyrell!

pycku · Post by **pycku** » 26 Aug 2013, 16:26

1.A
2.C

I'd announce driver changes after next round, provided that Arnoux is once again not competitive enough.

Hermann95 · Post by **Hermann95** » 26 Aug 2013, 16:37

After 13 of 18 voted already we have:
Issue 1
A: 6 votes
B: 7 votes

Issue 2
A: 1 vote
B: 1 vote(only for resigning)
C: 11 votes

This means that Issue 2 is already solved! Driver signing process for 1991 will start after the Italien GP!

Samster · Post by **Samster** » 26 Aug 2013, 16:44

Implement reliability after round 8. Driver Changes should wait until the start of next season when we know our budgets.

FantometteBR · Post by **FantometteBR** » 26 Aug 2013, 17:28

Options A and A for both

Hermann95 · Post by **Hermann95** » 26 Aug 2013, 22:42

Round 7: Le Castellet

Pre Qualifying

1 Alessandro Zanardi (Larrouse-Ford) 1:07.927
2 Alex Caffi (AGS-Lamborghini) 1:08.302
3 Pierluigi Martini (Larrousse-Ford) 1:08.427
4 Bertrand Gachot (AGS-Lamborghini) 1:08.847
5 Alan McNish (Eurobrun-Ford) 1:09.154 DNPQ
6 Heinz-Harald Frentzen (Eurobrun-Ford) 1:09.195 DNPQ
7 Paolo Barilla (Coloni-Judd) 1:09.880 DNPQ
8 Olivier Grouillard (Osella-Ford) 1:10.060 DNPQ
9 Piercarlo Ghinzani (Osella-Ford) 1:10.154 DNPQ

Hermann95 · Post by **Hermann95** » 26 Aug 2013, 22:46

Round 7: Le Castellet

Qualifying

1 Alain Prost (Meclaren-Honda) 1:05.146
2 Jean Alesi (Meclaren-Honda) 1:05.507
3 Nelson Piquet (Ferrari) 1:05.522
4 Thierry Boutsen (Williams-Renault) 1:05.612
5 Satoru Nakajima (Ferrari) 1:05.817
6 Stefano Modena (Williams-Renault) 1:05.889
7 Martin Brundle (Tyrell-Renault) 1:06.242
8 Mark Blundell (Tyrell-Renault) 1:06.395
9 Mika Häkkinen (Footwork Arrows-Ford) 1:06.399
10 Ayrton Senna (Benneton-Ford) 1:06.434
11 Gerhard Berger (Lotus-Judd) 1:06.518
12 Alessandro Nannini (Benneton-Ford) 1:06.830
13 Rene Arnoux (Footwork Arrows-Ford) 1:06.949
14 Eric van der Poele (Lotus-Judd) 1:07.099
15 Nigel Mansell (Brabham-Ford) 1:07.628
16 Roberto Moreno (Ligier-Ford) 1:07.779
17 Ivan Capelli (Leyton House-Ford) 1:07.854
18 Michele Alboreto (Minardi-Judd) 1:07.872
19 Derek Warwick (Ligier-Ford) 1:07.873
20 Ricardo Patrese (Leyton House-Ford) 1:07.890
21 Alessandro Zanardi (Larrouse-Ford) 1:08.010
22 Alex Caffi (AGS-Lamborghini) 1:08.044
23 Nicola Larini (Dallara-Lamborghini) 1:08.123
24 Pierluigi Martini (Larrousse-Ford) 1:08.181
25 Andrea de Cesaris (Brabham-Ford) 1:08.315
26 Bertrand Gachot (AGS-Lamborghini) 1:08.373
27 Stefan Johansson (Onyx-Ford) 1:08.375 DNQ
28 Gabriele Tarquini (Dallara-Lamborghini) 1:08.466 DNQ
29 Fabricio Giovanardi (Minardi-Judd) 1:08.542 DNQ
30 Eddie Irvine (Onyx-Ford) 1:08.882 DNQ

Hermann95 · Post by **Hermann95** » 26 Aug 2013, 23:09

Round 7: Le Castellet

Race

It was a exciting race here at Le Castellet. The Frenchman Alain Prost had a very good start and was leading after the first lap. Piquet came second and Alesi third. Zanardi didn't managed to finish the first lap because his engine didn't made it! Piquet didn't had a chance to overtake Prost but also had no problems to keep his pace. Alesi,who was in 3rd position, was after 30 laps already 21 seconds behind. Roberto Moreno has driven a magnificent race and manged to be in P6 after the pit stops. Häkkinen, Senna and Moreno scored points without making a stop! During the pit stop the Ferrari pitcrew was about 1 second faster than the crew from Mclaren. Now Piquet was leading Prost and it was the same scenario just the other way round! Williams had some troubles with there long run pace. They where fast in qualifying but not so at the race. Boutsen had to stop twice because of a puncture in lap 58. At the end Piquet wins the race leving a not very amused french crowed!

1 Nelson Piquet (Ferrari) 1:38:58.796
2 Alain Prost (Meclaren-Honda) 1:38:58.802
3 Mika Häkkinen (Footwork Arrows-Ford) 1:39:13.715
4 Jean Alesi (Meclaren-Honda) 1:39:41.515
5 Ayrton Senna (Benneton-Ford) 1:39:56.700
6 Roberto Moreno (Ligier-Ford) 1:40:12.450
7 Satoru Nakajima (Ferrari) -1 lap
8 Mark Blundell (Tyrell-Renault) -1 lap
9 Stefano Modena (Williams-Renault) -1 lap
10 Martin Brundle (Tyrell-Renault) -1 lap
11 Thierry Boutsen (Williams-Renault) -2 laps
12 Nicola Larini (Dallara-Lamborghini) -2 laps
13 Pierluigi Martini (Larrousse-Ford) -2 laps
14 Gerhard Berger (Lotus-Judd) -2 laps
15 Nigel Mansell (Brabham-Ford) -2 laps
16 Rene Arnoux (Footwork Arrows-Ford) -2 laps
17 Derek Warwick (Ligier-Ford) -2 laps
18 Michele Alboreto (Minardi-Judd) -3 laps
19 Ricardo Patrese (Leyton House-Ford) -3 laps
— Bertrand Gachot (AGS-Lamborghini) DNF lap 65/Brakes
Alessandro Nannini (Benneton-Ford) DNF lap 53/Gearbox
Eric van der Poele (Lotus-Judd) DNF lap 47/Suspension
Alex Caffi (AGS-Lamborghini) DNF lap 31/Engine
Andrea de Cesaris (Brabham-Ford) DNF lap 27/Suspension
Ivan Capelli (Leyton House-Ford) DNF lap 11/Gearbox
Alessandro Zanardi (Larrouse-Ford) DNF lap 1/Engine

Fastest Lap: Nelson Piquet

Peteroli34 · Post by **Peteroli34** » 26 Aug 2013, 23:14

Why do tyrrell have such rubbish race pace? We just go backwards

Hermann95 · Post by **Hermann95** » 26 Aug 2013, 23:32

Drivers Championship

1.Jean Alesi 27
2. Nelson Piquet 24
3. Ayrton Senna 21
4. Alain Prost 21
5. Thierry Boutsen 19
6. Mika Häkkinen 18
7. Stefano Modena 10
8. Alessandro Nannini 10
9. Gerhard Berger 9
10. Nigel Mansell 5
11. Satoru Nakajima 3
12. Michele Alboreto 3
13. Alessandro Zanardi 2
14. Martin Brundle 1
15. Stefan Johansson 1
16. Roberto Moreno 1

Constructors Championship
1. Mclaren 48
2. Benneton 31
3. Williams 29
4. Ferrari 27
5. Arrows 18
6. Lotus 9
7. Brabham 5
8. Minardi 3
9. Larrouse 2
10. Tyrell 1
11. Onyx 1
12. Ligier 1

Prize Money
Mclaren 900k
Ferrari 900k
Arrows 400k
Benneton 200k
Ligier 100k

Pole Position Challange
Alain Prost 4
Nelson Piquet 2
Jean Alesi 1

Fastest Lap Challange
Jean Alesi 2
Alain Prost 1
Stefano Modena 1
Gerhard Berger 1
Thierry Boutsen 1
Nelson Piquet 1

team Budgets

Ferrari 20,7m$
Tyrell -0,79m$
Williams 12,9m$
Brabham 1,7m$
Footwork Arrows 1,5m$
Lotus 2,9m$
Osella 4,65m$
Leyton House 2,7m$
AGS 1,75m$
Benneton 11,6m$
BMS-Dallara -0,5m$
Minardi -2,2m$
Ligier 1,1m$
Mclaren 7,9m$
Larrousse 4,9m$
Coloni 0,1m$
Euro Brun -9,5m$
Onyx 0,69m$

Bleu · Post by **Bleu** » 27 Aug 2013, 06:22

A point was very much needed for team ambition. Moreno has been doing nice job this year. The team would like to keep him, but it depends also about how much interest he is getting from the other teams.

Warwick has been disappointment and unless he really improves towards the end, he won't get contract extension offer.