The Junior Series Thread

Post by **Ataxia** » 23 May 2013, 17:27

BlindCaveSalamander wrote:
Kimi-ICE wrote:
wsrgo wrote:MONACO FEATURE RACE STARTING ORDER:
1. Johnny Cecotto (Arden)
2. Mitch Evans (Arden)
3. Sam Bird (RUSSIAN TIME)
4. Fabio Leimer (Racing Engineering)
5. Kevin Ceccon (Trident)
6. Jolyon Palmer (Carlin)
7. Jolyon Leal (Racing Engineering)
8. Tom Dillmann (RUSSIAN TIME)
9. Felipe Nasr (Carlin)
10. Robin Frijns (Hilmer)

Time for the Humble Pie?

It's not Cecotto's speed that's in question. It's his ability not to act like a monkey throwing his crap when under attack/attacking another driver.

...I'm expecting a crazy start for the race, then.

Dj_bereta · Post by **Dj_bereta** » 23 May 2013, 19:09

It's better to Arden to be prepared to this: http://youtu.be/lonAHJbH3lQ

Shadaza · Post by **Shadaza** » 23 May 2013, 19:25

Dj_bereta wrote:It's better to Arden to be prepared to this: http://youtu.be/lonAHJbH3lQ

That has got to be one of the most ridiculous things I have ever seen, they both just veered into each other :lol:

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Alextrax52 · Post by **Alextrax52** » 23 May 2013, 19:33

Shadaza wrote:
Dj_bereta wrote:It's better to Arden to be prepared to this: http://youtu.be/lonAHJbH3lQ

That has got to be one of the most ridiculous things I have ever seen, they both just veered into each other .

Of course didn't the Viso crash happen a couple of corners later overshadowing this sheer piece of ineptitude. I mean i've seen stupid accidents between team-mates but this one takes the cake

Bleu · Post by **Bleu** » 23 May 2013, 20:05

Kimi-ICE wrote:
Shadaza wrote:
Dj_bereta wrote:It's better to Arden to be prepared to this: http://youtu.be/lonAHJbH3lQ

That has got to be one of the most ridiculous things I have ever seen, they both just veered into each other .

Of course didn't the Viso crash happen a couple of corners later overshadowing this sheer piece of ineptitude. I mean i've seen stupid accidents between team-mates but this one takes the cake

Yes. Viso's crash was mainly due the cars ahead slowing unexpectedly (from Viso's viewpoint) due to SC being sent to the track following the crash between iSport "team-mates".

Post by **DemocalypseNow** » 23 May 2013, 21:21

What is it with Venezuelans in Monaco?!

Meatwad · Post by **Meatwad** » 24 May 2013, 09:41

GP2 drivers show their talent again, at least 12 cars out at the start! It wasn't Cecotto's fault, though.

Backmarker · Post by **Backmarker** » 24 May 2013, 09:44

Meatwad wrote:GP2 drivers show their talent again, at least 12 cars out at the start! It wasn't Cecotto's fault, though.

14 I believe!

AxelP800 · Post by **AxelP800** » 24 May 2013, 10:17

Yes, yes! Nuppiz, you're right! And Haryanto survives

. A long time since I happy when someone crash

DanielPT · Post by **DanielPT** » 24 May 2013, 10:38

Meatwad wrote:GP2 drivers show their talent again, at least 12 cars out at the start! It wasn't Cecotto's fault, though.

Not according to autosport. The Monaco GP2 feature race has been stopped after a 14-car first corner crash, triggered by polesitter Johnny Cecotto Jr.

Post by **Londoner** » 24 May 2013, 10:44

From what I've seen, Cecotto bogged down at the start, and then tried to outbrake everyone going into Sante Devote, with predictable consequences. Imbecile. :lol:

wsrgo · Post by **wsrgo** » 24 May 2013, 11:14

FEATURE RACE FINISHING ORDER (MONACO)
1. Sam Bird (RUSSIAN TIME)
2. Kevin Ceccon (Trident)
3. Mitch Evans (Arden)
4. Felipe Nasr (Carlin)
5. James Calado (ART)
6. Stefano Coletti (Rapax)
7. Rene Binder (Lazarus)
8. Adrian Quaife-Hobbs (MP)
9. Stephane Richelmi (DAMS)
10. Daniel de Jong (MP)

Backmarker · Post by **Backmarker** » 24 May 2013, 11:17

7 races and still no points for Marcus Ericsson. Bye-bye career!

Post by **Londoner** » 24 May 2013, 11:18

So they're not restarting it?

Someone needs to slap Cecotto into line, this is getting beyond a joke now.

RonDenisDeletraz · Post by **RonDenisDeletraz** » 24 May 2013, 11:20

AQH on reverse grid pole

Post by **Ataxia** » 24 May 2013, 11:24

East Londoner wrote:So they're not restarting it?

Someone needs to slap Cecotto into line, this is getting beyond a joke now.

The race just finished...by no means a classic though.

If Bird can just grab a few more podiums, we'll have a potentially exciting 3-way title fight.

johnnyCarwash · Post by **johnnyCarwash** » 24 May 2013, 11:33

Ataxia wrote:The race just finished...by no means a classic though.

The race director (ROTR imo) didn't exactly help. AQH's pass on Richelmi wasn't shown.
Also I think that Cecotto took all the excitement with him in that first lap incident.. which as many people said yesterday was predictable...

Divina_Galica · Post by **Divina_Galica** » 24 May 2013, 12:03

Meatwad wrote:GP2 drivers show their talent again, at least 12 cars out at the start! It wasn't Cecotto's fault, though.

Oh dear!

Not quite right, Cecotto slow getting away so Evans led into St Devote, Cecotto tried to keep ahead of Leimer, missed his braking point and went straight on into the barriers leaving Leimer nowhere to go.....result carnage. (Buy Dallara shares as they will be on overtime manufacturing front wings).

As Will Buxton said on commentary, "I didn't think I'd spend the first 20 mins of the feature race commenting on cars being push started...."

Smooth win for the Birdman once Evans had to pit to change his supersofts.

Last lap pass for AQ-H on Richelmi (unseen by the race director of course) for 8th gives him pole for the Sprint race tomorrow....

DG

Post by **Ataxia** » 24 May 2013, 12:11

johnnyCarwash wrote:
Ataxia wrote:The race just finished...by no means a classic though.

The race director (ROTR imo) didn't exactly help. AQH's pass on Richelmi wasn't shown.

This is true, and Will and Jerome definitely made their displeasure known at that.

Hopefully the FIA will tell the directors to get their act together for the other events.

Shadaza · Post by **Shadaza** » 24 May 2013, 12:34

For some reason Monaco uses a local director rather than the normal director team that goes to every other race.

Alextrax52 · Post by **Alextrax52** » 24 May 2013, 12:42

I've had a day of mixed emotions. I have officially finished Year 11 high school with just my exams to go. This made me sad :cry:

But thanks to my trusty recording box iv'e been able to watch the GP2 carnage and in my opinion Johnny Cecotto needs to be Hung Drawn and Quartered because that was the most ridiculous piece of driving iv'e ever seen. He makes Andy Neate look like Alain Prost. ROTR and ROTY for me :evil:

wsrgo · Post by **wsrgo** » 24 May 2013, 13:03

Backmarker wrote:7 races and still no points for Marcus Ericsson. Bye-bye career!

You forgot the four points he got at Barcelona for that incredible pole position.

Salamander · Post by **Salamander** » 24 May 2013, 13:15

Kimi-ICE wrote:...in my opinion Johnny Cecotto needs to be Hung Drawn and Quartered because that was the most ridiculous piece of driving iv'e ever seen.

That's a little extreme... :shock:

Just ban him from all racing forever. The moron will never learn. Like I said before, when fighting another car for position he acts like a damn monkey throwing their shite. It's a joke, an utter joke.

Post by **Ataxia** » 24 May 2013, 13:21

@JolyonPalmer wrote:Taken out at the first corner by a number of idiots. Absolutely gutted. I'd sooner start from the pitlane than within two rows of Cecotto

Klon · Post by **Klon** » 24 May 2013, 13:39

I dunno if he did anything after the start crash but quite frankly I can hardly blame Cecetto for that one. I mean, yeah, he missed the breaking point alright. That is bad, but has happened to greater drivers. It's hardly his fault the guys behind him are too retarded to avoid a crash site.

deCrasheris · Post by **deCrasheris** » 24 May 2013, 14:34

Cecotto has been suspended from the sprint race because of the incident today http://www.gp2series.com/News-Room/News ... rint-race/

DanielPT · Post by **DanielPT** » 24 May 2013, 14:41

deCrasheris wrote:Cecotto has been suspended from the sprint race because of the incident today http://www.gp2series.com/News-Room/News ... rint-race/

He deserves a few races on the sidelines by now.

Alextrax52 · Post by **Alextrax52** » 24 May 2013, 15:30

DanielPT wrote:
deCrasheris wrote:Cecotto has been suspended from the sprint race because of the incident today http://www.gp2series.com/News-Room/News ... rint-race/

He deserves a few races on the sidelines by now.

Agreed. He's been crossing the line one too many times and now he's got his just desserts. Will he learn from it? I'm not too sure.

Salamander · Post by **Salamander** » 24 May 2013, 15:58

deCrasheris wrote:Cecotto has been suspended from the sprint race because of the incident today http://www.gp2series.com/News-Room/News ... rint-race/

ABOUT DAMN TIME!

Dj_bereta · Post by **Dj_bereta** » 24 May 2013, 18:33

He deserved a suspension in spanish gp incident, not in this one. Anyway, Cecotto was deserving a suspension.

Even without Cecotto, I believe in another pile up in sprint race.

GwilymJJames · Post by **GwilymJJames** » 24 May 2013, 19:09

deCrasheris wrote:Cecotto has been suspended from the sprint race because of the incident today http://www.gp2series.com/News-Room/News ... rint-race/

If it's a cumulative thing, fair enough, although I feel they should have mentioned it before. If it's purely because of today's crash, bathplug off. He made a minor error, exasperated by it being at Monaco.

TomWazzleshaw · Post by **TomWazzleshaw** » 24 May 2013, 22:22

GwilymJJames wrote:
deCrasheris wrote:Cecotto has been suspended from the sprint race because of the incident today http://www.gp2series.com/News-Room/News ... rint-race/

If it's a cumulative thing, fair enough, although I feel they should have mentioned it before. If it's purely because of today's crash, bathplug off. He made a minor error, exasperated by it being at Monaco.

Although why he was even allowed to drive at Monaco in the first place after the incidents in Spain and Malaysia remains a mystery for the ages...

Nessafox · Post by **Nessafox** » 24 May 2013, 22:41

Apperently Frijns wasn't permitted to restart 'because he had a flat tire' (he never got an explanation for it, despite having a perfectly running car), so it looks like the rules have been applied very randomly.

Meatwad · Post by **Meatwad** » 24 May 2013, 23:02

This wrote:Apperently Frijns wasn't permitted to restart 'because he had a flat tire' (he never got an explanation for it, despite having a perfectly running car), so it looks like the rules have been applied very randomly.

What a joke. Either everyone should be allowed to have their car repaired (if possible) or no one.

On a more positive note, it was nice to see everyone restart in the running order right before the crash, rather than based on the original grid. It's sort of unfair that in F1 one can have a brilliant start but lose all gained positions due to a red flag. Still there are a few things that I found confusing. Canamasas was pushed into the pit lane after he stalled on the grid and was counted as being one lap down after the restart.

I would also have made the repaired cars start from the pit lane (if only to reward those who managed to avoid the pileup). Even in this case, they would have been lucky enough to be able to continue.

While I guess I was wrong about Cecotto not being at fault, I think the penalty is too harsh for this incident. Cecotto just made a mistake and everyone but Leimer could have had a chance of avoiding him. It was Palmer spinning that actually caused the pileup. Cecotto's antics in the other races are a good excuse for the ban, though.

Post by **Ataxia** » 25 May 2013, 10:22

Meatwad wrote:
This wrote:Apperently Frijns wasn't permitted to restart 'because he had a flat tire' (he never got an explanation for it, despite having a perfectly running car), so it looks like the rules have been applied very randomly.

What a joke. Either everyone should be allowed to have their car repaired (if possible) or no one.

On a more positive note, it was nice to see everyone restart in the running order right before the crash, rather than based on the original grid. It's sort of unfair that in F1 one can have a brilliant start but lose all gained positions due to a red flag. Still there are a few things that I found confusing. Canamasas was pushed into the pit lane after he stalled on the grid and was counted as being one lap down after the restart. I would also have made the repaired cars start from the pit lane (if only to reward those who managed to avoid the pileup). Even in this case, they would have been lucky enough to be able to continue.

I thought the positions from running order was a horrible idea; they hadn't even done one lap yet! It was unfair on those who got tangled up in the melee, because mainly that was no fault of their own. It was a bit of a shambles.

pi314159 · Post by **pi314159** » 25 May 2013, 10:25

On another note, former championship winners Addax are last in the teams championship now.

Alextrax52 · Post by **Alextrax52** » 25 May 2013, 10:26

pi314159 wrote:On another note, former championship winners Addax are last in the teams championship now.

What a difference a year makes.

pi314159 · Post by **pi314159** » 25 May 2013, 10:27

Kimi-ICE wrote:
pi314159 wrote:On another note, former championship winners Addax are last in the teams championship now.

What a difference a year makes.

Two years. They won in 2011.

Alextrax52 · Post by **Alextrax52** » 25 May 2013, 10:30

pi314159 wrote:
Kimi-ICE wrote:
pi314159 wrote:On another note, former championship winners Addax are last in the teams championship now.

What a difference a year makes.

Two years. They won in 2011.

Sorry

.2 years since the title. Last year of course they won this race and Cecotto won in Germany after that tire choice and who can forget Kral's Win in Belgium?

Jocke1 · Post by **Jocke1** » 25 May 2013, 10:30

Epic start is epic. What a sight!