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kostas22 wrote:What kind of backing does Haryanto have? Don't see how he can compete with Chilton's endless stream of money from Bank of Rich Daddy unless his financers have some serious clout.
Captain Hammer wrote:kostas22 wrote:What kind of backing does Haryanto have? Don't see how he can compete with Chilton's endless stream of money from Bank of Rich Daddy unless his financers have some serious clout.
Most of his sponsorship comes from Pertamina, which is owned by the Indonesian government and is the world's largest producer and exporter of liquefied natural gas.
Your move, Chilton.
Wizzie wrote:Captain Hammer wrote:kostas22 wrote:What kind of backing does Haryanto have? Don't see how he can compete with Chilton's endless stream of money from Bank of Rich Daddy unless his financers have some serious clout.
Most of his sponsorship comes from Pertamina, which is owned by the Indonesian government and is the world's largest producer and exporter of liquefied natural gas.
Your move, Chilton.
Daddy Chilton is the Vice President of the largest insurance firm in the world whose company is/was a sponsor of Manchester United.
Your move, Rio.
FMecha wrote:Wizzie wrote:Captain Hammer wrote:Most of his sponsorship comes from Pertamina, which is owned by the Indonesian government and is the world's largest producer and exporter of liquefied natural gas.
Your move, Chilton.
Daddy Chilton is the Vice President of the largest insurance firm in the world who sponsored Shitebag United
Your move, Rio.
Fixed.
(The answer is Aon)
Klon wrote:Oh, HWNSNBMfakkendammit! You have a football thread, keep those feces there.
kostas22 wrote:Klon wrote:Oh, HWNSNBMfakkendammit! You have a football thread, keep those feces there.
AdrianSutil wrote:kostas22 wrote:Klon wrote:Oh, HWNSNBMfakkendammit! You have a football thread, keep those feces there.
I'd like to punch him in the face.
Wizzie wrote:Captain Hammer wrote:kostas22 wrote:What kind of backing does Haryanto have? Don't see how he can compete with Chilton's endless stream of money from Bank of Rich Daddy unless his financers have some serious clout.
Most of his sponsorship comes from Pertamina, which is owned by the Indonesian government and is the world's largest producer and exporter of liquefied natural gas.
Your move, Chilton.
Daddy Chilton is the Vice President of the largest insurance firm in the world.
Your move, Rio.
Captain Hammer wrote:Wizzie wrote:Captain Hammer wrote:Most of his sponsorship comes from Pertamina, which is owned by the Indonesian government and is the world's largest producer and exporter of liquefied natural gas.
Your move, Chilton.
Daddy Chilton is the Vice President of the largest insurance firm in the world.
Your move, Rio.
Pertamina is still larger than said insurance firm.
Captain Hammer wrote:Chilton for now. He has the advantage of having done an extra season in GP2. I think Haryanto has the potential to cut it in Formula 1, but he doesn't have enough experience yet, so promoting him now would be a mistake.
inchworm wrote:Could Glock be on his way given his recent form and outbursts?
eurobrun wrote:inchworm wrote:Could Glock be on his way given his recent form and outbursts?
I think this is more than likely.
Wizzie wrote:eurobrun wrote:inchworm wrote:Could Glock be on his way given his recent form and outbursts?
I think this is more than likely.
More than likely? It'll be a miracle if either party can tolerate the other for next year?
eurobrun wrote:Chilton is faster, but Haryanto has more money. I'm not sure who I would rather.
mario wrote:It doesn't look all that promising - we heard Glock making some pretty damning comments over the radio last year (even if he did sign a contract extension to 2014), coupled to something of a slump in form when compared to D'Ambrosio, and this row with Pic is unlikely to help things either. Add to that the frustration Glock must feel given that the team is no closer to the front than in its first year (in terms of relative pace), plus the fact that the team is still going through major changes in management for little benefit, and I can see why relations between Glock and the team are a little troubled, such that I wouldn't be surprised if either Glock or Marussia terminate that deal before it is up.
Glock must be ruing the day that he walked away from negotiations with Renault in 2010 - whilst, to be fair to him, the concerns at the time over the long term stability of that team was scaring quite a few people away, he must be wondering what might have happened if he had wound up there instead.
Faustus wrote:mario wrote:It doesn't look all that promising - we heard Glock making some pretty damning comments over the radio last year (even if he did sign a contract extension to 2014), coupled to something of a slump in form when compared to D'Ambrosio, and this row with Pic is unlikely to help things either. Add to that the frustration Glock must feel given that the team is no closer to the front than in its first year (in terms of relative pace), plus the fact that the team is still going through major changes in management for little benefit, and I can see why relations between Glock and the team are a little troubled, such that I wouldn't be surprised if either Glock or Marussia terminate that deal before it is up.
Glock must be ruing the day that he walked away from negotiations with Renault in 2010 - whilst, to be fair to him, the concerns at the time over the long term stability of that team was scaring quite a few people away, he must be wondering what might have happened if he had wound up there instead.
I can't really see where Glock could go if he left Marussia, can you?
Faustus wrote:mario wrote:It doesn't look all that promising - we heard Glock making some pretty damning comments over the radio last year (even if he did sign a contract extension to 2014), coupled to something of a slump in form when compared to D'Ambrosio, and this row with Pic is unlikely to help things either. Add to that the frustration Glock must feel given that the team is no closer to the front than in its first year (in terms of relative pace), plus the fact that the team is still going through major changes in management for little benefit, and I can see why relations between Glock and the team are a little troubled, such that I wouldn't be surprised if either Glock or Marussia terminate that deal before it is up.
Glock must be ruing the day that he walked away from negotiations with Renault in 2010 - whilst, to be fair to him, the concerns at the time over the long term stability of that team was scaring quite a few people away, he must be wondering what might have happened if he had wound up there instead.
I can't really see where Glock could go if he left Marussia, can you?
giraurd wrote:I don't really think the extra season Chilton has is too big of an advantage anyway in F1 ... if I were in charge and had to decide between the two, would go for Haryanto.
Anyone know about Petrov's situation re Marussia, btw? Would seem logical to sneak him in for a Russian team (should Glock leave f1) but wasn't there something conflicting with Petrov's and Marussia's backing?
Faustus wrote:eurobrun wrote:Chilton is faster, but Haryanto has more money. I'm not sure who I would rather.
Haryanto. According to my mate who is one of the race engineers at Carlin, he has more potential than Max. Plus he might turn out to be like Pedro Diniz, talented and loaded.
First time ive seen loaded, Diniz and talented in the same sentence......BaconLettuceNinja wrote:
FUN FACT - Razia's in his 4th season of GP2 yet he's still only 23...
Wizzie wrote:BaconLettuceNinja wrote:
FUN FACT - Razia's in his 4th season of GP2 yet he's still only 23...
And herein lies the reason why Razia doesn't deserve an F1 drive next year. He and Valsecchi are only fighting for the title because they're the only two who have been in the series for more than about a year and a half
kostas22 wrote:Wizzie wrote:BaconLettuceNinja wrote:
FUN FACT - Razia's in his 4th season of GP2 yet he's still only 23...
And herein lies the reason why Razia doesn't deserve an F1 drive next year. He and Valsecchi are only fighting for the title because they're the only two who have been in the series for more than about a year and a half
That statement makes no sense whatsoever.
BaconLettuceNinja wrote:kostas22 wrote:Wizzie wrote:
And herein lies the reason why Razia doesn't deserve an F1 drive next year. He and Valsecchi are only fighting for the title because they're the only two who have been in the series for more than about a year and a half
That statement makes no sense whatsoever.
I think Razia could do a good job in F1...plus, we've got drivers like Grosjean, Maldonado, Senna, Pic, Kobayashi, Petrov and Perez who have done multiple seasons in GP2 in F1, and they're all doing alright.
People that jump to F1 after one GP2 season don't always do well, for example it didn't work out amazingly for Nakajima and Speed...
Wizzie wrote:Ah, but out of the ones you mentioned, only Maldonado and Petrov spent more than two years in GP2. And both of them were absolutely loaded with cash which played a major role in getting them F1 seats (although Petrov did turn out to be good once he ironed out all the errors in 2010). And since when did anyone rate Nakajima or Speed highly?
My point is if you spend more than two years in GP2, chances are your career is not going to go anywhere. And 90% of the time, there's a very good reason why.
FMecha wrote:Wizzie wrote:Ah, but out of the ones you mentioned, only Maldonado and Petrov spent more than two years in GP2. And both of them were absolutely loaded with cash which played a major role in getting them F1 seats (although Petrov did turn out to be good once he ironed out all the errors in 2010). And since when did anyone rate Nakajima or Speed highly?
My point is if you spend more than two years in GP2, chances are your career is not going to go anywhere. And 90% of the time, there's a very good reason why.
Then how about someone jumping from GP2 to sports cars, rather than F1? Is that even possible?
Wizzie wrote:Ah, but out of the ones you mentioned, only Maldonado and Petrov spent more than two years in GP2. And both of them were absolutely loaded with cash which played a major role in getting them F1 seats (although Petrov did turn out to be good once he ironed out all the errors in 2010). And since when did anyone rate Nakajima or Speed highly?
My point is if you spend more than two years in GP2, chances are your career is not going to go anywhere. And 90% of the time, there's a very good reason why.
mario wrote:Wizzie wrote:Ah, but out of the ones you mentioned, only Maldonado and Petrov spent more than two years in GP2. And both of them were absolutely loaded with cash which played a major role in getting them F1 seats (although Petrov did turn out to be good once he ironed out all the errors in 2010). And since when did anyone rate Nakajima or Speed highly?
My point is if you spend more than two years in GP2, chances are your career is not going to go anywhere. And 90% of the time, there's a very good reason why.
Toyota still seem to think fairly highly of Nakajima given that they are continuing to employ him in the Le Mans series. In fact, they have gone to a fair amount of effort to keep Kazuki on the track, putting him through the Formula Nippon and Super GT championships before slotting him into their Endurance Racing team.
IceG wrote:I read this (awful as usual) article http://www.planetf1.com/driver/18227/79 ... No-regrets and all I hear is a "I'd prefer to drive anywhere else than Marussia - please call my agent" subtext.
eurobrun wrote:IceG wrote:I read this (awful as usual) article http://www.planetf1.com/driver/18227/79 ... No-regrets and all I hear is a "I'd prefer to drive anywhere else than Marussia - please call my agent" subtext.
Timo Glock needs to try another form of motorsport or something like that, his F1 career isn't going anywhere and that's not about to change.