Grand Prix Rejects

the Masked Lapwing wrote:I was gonna test at Silverstone to annoy the ACF before realising that that might jeopardise my engine supply. Why I didn't realise that the first time I have no idea

Brabham will test at Brands Hatch, and go for a medium reliability upgrade. We'd also like to invite Tyrrell along to the test, as a chance to discuss matters before the Paris meeting.

Renault would be interested in giving Brabham a discount on their engines if they were to apply to join the ACF...

BlindCaveSalamander wrote:

the Masked Lapwing wrote:I was gonna test at Silverstone to annoy the ACF before realising that that might jeopardise my engine supply. Why I didn't realise that the first time I have no idea

Brabham will test at Brands Hatch, and go for a medium reliability upgrade. We'd also like to invite Tyrrell along to the test, as a chance to discuss matters before the Paris meeting.

Renault would be interested in giving Brabham a discount on their engines if they were to apply to join the ACF...

But that would mean abandoning the CA and all of its members. No, wait, hang on...
Actually, Brabham would like to leave the CA and apply for the ACF. Mostly because we'd like to see Horford banned for a long time.

the Masked Lapwing wrote:

BlindCaveSalamander wrote:

the Masked Lapwing wrote:I was gonna test at Silverstone to annoy the ACF before realising that that might jeopardise my engine supply. Why I didn't realise that the first time I have no idea

Brabham will test at Brands Hatch, and go for a medium reliability upgrade. We'd also like to invite Tyrrell along to the test, as a chance to discuss matters before the Paris meeting.

Renault would be interested in giving Brabham a discount on their engines if they were to apply to join the ACF...

But that would mean abandoning the CA and all of its members. No, wait, hang on...
Actually, Brabham would like to leave the CA and apply for the ACF. Mostly because we'd like to see Horford banned for a long time.

Excellent! Naturally, Renault will support Brabham's bid to join the ACF. Since we scheduled the test at Silverstone, we will extend the invitation to all ACF applicants in addition to ACF members, unless our fellow members have any objections. So unless somebody throws a fit, you can test at Silverstone now, if you want.

BlindCaveSalamander wrote:Renault will also invest in a medium engine reliability upgrade.

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the Masked Lapwing wrote:Brabham will test at Brands Hatch, and go for a medium reliability upgrade.

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JeremyMcClean wrote:Please decrease the overall body drag with a large upgrade. Please use a huge upgrade if possible.

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BlindCaveSalamander wrote: We will also conduct a test at Silverstone, running Jabouille, Reutemann, and Jérémy-Étienne Voeckler if we can run a third driver. The test is open only to other ACF members.

Silverstone is a Category 1 circuit, so that will take 3 testing tokens from Renault, Brabham and Ligier.

shinji wrote:Any chance there can be a reduction in testing tokens if you're testing as part of a team union? Something like you'd spend have to spend 1 token less if you're doing an ACF test. Just as a little incentive for politicking! It'd make sense as you'd spend less in terms of infrastructure and all that.

FISA declines to offer this incentive.

the Masked Lapwing wrote:Brabham will test at Brands Hatch, and go for a medium reliability upgrade. We'd also like to invite Tyrrell along to the test, as a chance to discuss matters before the Paris meeting.

Brands is a Category 1 circuit, so that would cost Brabham 3 tokens if it goes ahead.

Stramala [kostas22] wrote:Merzario will test at Mugello with four cars if possible; Mario Andretti, Emerson Fittipaldi, Simone Guidetti and Michele Alboreto.

Mugello is a Category 2 circuit, so that will cost Merzario 2 testing tokens.

Each team can have a maximum of 7 drivers at a test, with a maxium of 30 drivers at non-official (pre season) tests.

Actually, Brabham will take up the offer to test at Silverstone if we're allowed to, Brands Hatch will be back up. I'll come up with some story about the defection when I get a bit of sleep.

Shadow would like a medium engine reliability package

AdrianSutil wrote:Shadow would like a medium engine reliability package

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Autosport wrote:Toleman looking to expand into Formula One

Ted Toleman, owner of the eponymous Toleman Racing Team, is looking to enter Formula One for next season. "F1 is going from strength to strength" he said "40 cars turn up every weekend without fail, it shows you the kind of money around at the moment if all these cars can turn up and no one goes bust!"

With FISA declining entry applications for undisclosed reasons, Toleman had reasons to beleive that his squad could make it. "We have some good funding secured from the Candy washing machine company. F1 is the place to be right now"

To try and keep this series a little closer to Real Life, Toleman will be a new team on the grid right now. At the moment, I'm offering control of Toleman to EastLondoner, tristan1117, AdrianSutil and Stramala. I'm offering to you exclusively first because you control real-life teams that didn't compete in this or next season. You don't have to accept this offer, but if you did, Toleman would be treated as an entirely new constructor with no relation to your previous team, which would cease to exist.

Restov would like a medium reliability upgrade, and will avail of the ACF's offer to test at Silverstone

The Constructors' Assembly is dismayed at Brabham for leaving the Constructors' Assembly. Hereby, the CA would like to:

• condemn Brabham for leaving CA
• condemn Horford for dangerous driving
• persuade any other unaligned teams (mainly Ferrari) to join the Assembly

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Tyrrell will take a small speed upgrade.

Actually, I'll extend the offer of managing Toleman to everyone who is currently a manager of a team in this series. If you would like to manage Toleman, please say, and things will be sorted out accordingly. As I've said, it will be a fresh slate. If you apply to manage Toleman and your team is fictional or did not compete in 1981 in real life, it will be shut down, and for everyone else your team will be offered to someone else

This also brings me to the discussion for the mod that I will use to simulate 1981. Currently, there is two choices - continue using the 1979 mod that I'm currently using, switch to the 1982 mod, or switch to the 1983&1984 mod. The only downside to using the 1982 mod is that currently the cars of some of the smaller teams (March, Osella) have not been released yet. If we decide to switch to the 1983&1984 mod, Ground effects will be banned for 1981. Thoughts?

I will run Toleman; oh,a nd you should run the 1982 mod for 1981, despite the lack of some cars (or maybe evn combine some cars from 1979 and 1982 mods)

Pasta, you didn't answer my question...which part of the Merzario needs upgraded the most...

Aerond wrote:I will run Toleman

Hello Aerond and welcome to rFAF1! You can choose to wait until next year, or enter halfway through this year (For the British GP)

Stramala [kostas22] wrote:Pasta, you didn't answer my question...which part of the Merzario needs upgraded the most...

I'll just check

Arrows will go for medium top speed upgrade. we are still looking for a fresh talent, meanwhile we would like to test at Silverstone with Patrese and 24 y.o. German Oliver Kunz.

Williams will ask for a large decrease in chassis mass.

pasta_maldonado wrote:

This wrote:Well i think i'm going to debut the Hart V4Turbo now, as think the Ferrari V12 is at the end of development. Lammers seems to be able to get some pace out of it, but that's partially because he's the best driver And what was that by Mansell? Was he secretly replaced by a Voeckler with a fake moustache?

Noted, Hart turbos will be in the car at the next round, the Swiss GP. You do realise that RAM-Hart will be a different constructor, and therefore will start on 0 points?

Yes, but with the Hart, i can continue developing until Turbo's get banned. So i'm offering this season for the future. (not that RAM is going to have a bright future, but at least i have to pretend)

RAM request a Medium engine torque update. RAM wants to go testing the new engine at Avus. Because we are totally mad

Pasta - you didn't add Audi to the list of upgrades used

Apart from reliability, what else is in need of improvement?

Toleman will start in 1981; we may enter one car before season ends; but for now we'll wait until next season.

Any idea when the Swiss Grand Prix will take place?

takagi_for_the_win wrote:Restov would like a medium reliability upgrade, and will avail of the ACF's offer to test at Silverstone

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FMecha wrote:Tyrrell will take a small speed upgrade.

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pycku wrote:Arrows will go for medium top speed upgrade. we are still looking for a fresh talent, meanwhile we would like to test at Silverstone with Patrese and 24 y.o. German Oliver Kunz.

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Phoenix wrote:Williams will ask for a large decrease in chassis mass.

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This wrote:RAM request a Medium engine torque update. RAM wants to go testing the new engine at Avus. Because we are totally mad

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Stramala [kostas22] wrote:Pasta, you didn't answer my question...which part of the Merzario needs upgraded the most...

I'd say that your chassis is in need of a bit of SlimFast...

JJMonty wrote:Pasta - you didn't add Audi to the list of upgrades used

Apart from reliability, what else is in need of improvement?

I'll add Audi to the list, sorry about that! And aside from reliability...hmmn, I'd say downforce.


I'll wait until all test requests are in, but here's a brief overview of who's testing where.

SILVERSTONE / ACF MEMBERS ONLY /

Renault - Jean-Pierre Jabouille / Carlos Reutemann / Jérémy-Étienne Voeckler
Brabham - Larry Perkins / Nelson Piquet
Ligier - Jacques Laffite / Ed Kevin

MUGELLO / NO RESTRICTIONS

Merzario - Mario Andretti / Emerson Fittipaldi / Michele Alboreto / Simone Guidetti

pycku wrote:Silverstone with Patrese and 24 y.o. German Oliver Kunz.

The test scheduled for Silverstone is for ACF-Members only, I'm afraid. You can either apply to join the ACF or reschedule the test to another venue.

This wrote:RAM request a Medium engine torque update. RAM wants to go testing the new engine at Avus. Because we are totally mad

The only reason I'm denying this is because AVUS is a street track, and you can't test on street circuits!

About test drivers, I've noticed that many teams haven't nominated any test/reserve drivers. I'll EVENTUALLY get around to editing the first post, but you can check what teams have nominated who for their test/reserve slots on the 1980 F1 season page on the F1Rejects wiki. It's also a handy place to get an overview of the season, including full driver and constructor's championship results.

Each team can have a maximum of 4 official test/reserve drivers. Any real life driver can be a test/reserve driver, provided that they could theoretically enter Formula One. (For instance, no hiring Schumacher when he's 7). Of course, there is no limits on fictional drivers, provided you provide me with a credible backstory as to who they are before they debut. Any driver who is nominated as a test driver I will automatically assume will attend a test scheduled for your team UNLESS YOU TELL ME OTHERWISE. Of course, you are free to test drivers who you have NOT nominated as test/reserve drivers.

Horford's ban Meeting

The FISA-Constructors meeting will take place in the mibbit chatroom #HorfordBan. Mibbit home: http://client02.chat.mibbit.com/, in the channel box type #HorfordBan. You are free to join and discuss the meeting now, but official proceedings will not start until later on.

Aerond wrote:Toleman will start in 1981; we may enter one car before season ends; but for now we'll wait until next season.

Okay, that's fine with me.

I'm opening the 1981 rules package to discussion, join the official F1Rejects chatroom to discuss 1981 rules.

darkapprentice77 wrote:Any idea when the Swiss Grand Prix will take place?

Probably in about a week's time. Once we've got the testing, upgrades and the fallout from Horford's muppetry sorted first.

I do not own a team at this series, but I would like to make available a few test drivers of my own for any team that wishes to hire them

As for the Horford debate, the chat session has been cancelled. Isntead, please email me your preferred sanctions against Horford

Nuppiz, here's the Osella livery

Yes, that looks great. Thanks!

Then i go testing in Assen instead, also because of having a dutch driver. I'll test with Jan Lammers and Huub Rothengatter.
Joining Rothengatter as test-drivers are Mike Thackwell (reserve driver) and Emilio De Villota, who both will test later in the season.

Okay, if Silverstone is not possible - let it be Mugelo.

We are looking for some test drivers, too. If someone is interested to promote a driver into our team - I'm open for discussions. As a matter of fact if Patrese is not doing well he may soon be replaced, so we are really looking for a other options.

pycku wrote:Okay, if Silverstone is not possible - let it be Mugelo.

We are looking for some test drivers, too. If someone is interested to promote a driver into our team - I'm open for discussions. As a matter of fact if Patrese is not doing well he may soon be replaced, so we are really looking for a other options.

Osella currently has no use for Eddie Cheever, who would gladly take any seat available.

Nuppiz wrote:

pycku wrote:Okay, if Silverstone is not possible - let it be Mugelo.

We are looking for some test drivers, too. If someone is interested to promote a driver into our team - I'm open for discussions. As a matter of fact if Patrese is not doing well he may soon be replaced, so we are really looking for a other options.

Osella currently has no use for Eddie Cheever, who would gladly take any seat available.

allright, then we are hiring Eddie for a test driver. He is also to drive with Ricardo in Mugelo, so that we can compare their laptimes.

Audi would like a medium upgrade on downforce please

Ontop of that - I would like to put the team forward for testing at Mugello also. The first day to be run by Lauda and the remaining days to be run by our other test driver, Rolf Stommelen.

Please and thank you

JJMonty wrote:Audi would like a medium upgrade on downforce please

Ontop of that - I would like to put the team forward for testing at Mugello also. The first day to be run by Lauda and the remaining days to be run by our other test driver, Rolf Stommelen.

Please and thank you

Tyrrell will also join Mugello testing with Takagi and Pironi on both days. We also going to convince Audi to join the CA.

FMecha wrote:

JJMonty wrote:Audi would like a medium upgrade on downforce please

Ontop of that - I would like to put the team forward for testing at Mugello also. The first day to be run by Lauda and the remaining days to be run by our other test driver, Rolf Stommelen.

Please and thank you

Tyrrell will also join Mugello testing with Takagi and Pironi on both days. We also going to convince Audi to join the CA.

Renault would like to take this opportunity to remind Tyrrell that Audi have already stated publicly that they do not wish to join any political groups, and even if they did, we doubt that they would want to join the so-called "Constructors' Assembly", which is made up of Tyrrell and no other teams, as opposed to the vibrant ACF, which is composed of many teams from up and down the grid.

^We drop that attempt, then. The reason the CA is going alone at the moment is because Brabham defected to ACF (or to the people of Tyrrell, "betrayed CA"). Ferrari is under our convincement attempt for time being.

FMecha wrote:^We drop that attempt, then. The reason the CA is going alone at the moment is because Brabham defected to ACF (or to the people of Tyrrell, "betrayed CA"). Ferrari is under our convincement attempt for time being.

Renault is aware of this, mostly because it was us that convinced Brabham to switch allegiances!

I'm also curious; what exactly is it that you're doing to convince Ferrari to join the TA? (Tyrrell Assembly, as I'm going to call it until you get another member. )

^Ferrari is neutral at the moment, and we need more members.

(OOC: Yet another chapter in "FMecha vs BCS"? What? )

FMecha wrote:^Ferrari is neutral at the moment, and we need more members.

Yeah, but how does that do anything for Ferrari?

FMecha wrote:(OOC: Yet another chapter in "FMecha vs BCS"? What? )

Glad to see you're having as much fun with this as I am.

I think Ferrari should come and join SOFA. It's nice and comfy over here. They can just sit back and relax and not have the other teams pester them for memebership or any kind of political alleigance.

BlindCaveSalamander wrote:

FMecha wrote:

JJMonty wrote:Audi would like a medium upgrade on downforce please

Ontop of that - I would like to put the team forward for testing at Mugello also. The first day to be run by Lauda and the remaining days to be run by our other test driver, Rolf Stommelen.

Please and thank you

Tyrrell will also join Mugello testing with Takagi and Pironi on both days. We also going to convince Audi to join the CA.

Renault would like to take this opportunity to remind Tyrrell that Audi have already stated publicly that they do not wish to join any political groups, and even if they did, we doubt that they would want to join the so-called "Constructors' Assembly", which is made up of Tyrrell and no other teams, as opposed to the vibrant ACF, which is composed of many teams from up and down the grid.

Audi would like to take this opportunity to thank Renault for reminding people of our stances and for proving that someone does read my comments!

Indeed - Audi wishes to have nothing to do with the political problems facing formula 1 at the moment. We are here to race, we are here to win and hopefully collect prize money if we do well enough. If the rules change, then that is fine, we can move into another catagory of racing where it will suit our needs - Formula 1's loss is another racing series gain In brief, we are interested in the racing, not the bitching!

JJMonty wrote:Indeed - Audi wishes to have nothing to do with the political problems facing formula 1 at the moment. We are here to race, we are here to win and hopefully collect prize money if we do well enough. If the rules change, then that is fine, we can move into another catagory of racing where it will suit our needs - Formula 1's loss is another racing series gain In brief, we are interested in the racing, not the bitching!

That matches the "agenda" of SOFA, but, if you're not interested in joining, it's no problem. Just know if you're ever fed up of requests to take sides on an issue, there is a third option - SOFA, where we don't get involved in politics whatsoever.

Stramala [kostas22] wrote:

JJMonty wrote:Indeed - Audi wishes to have nothing to do with the political problems facing formula 1 at the moment. We are here to race, we are here to win and hopefully collect prize money if we do well enough. If the rules change, then that is fine, we can move into another catagory of racing where it will suit our needs - Formula 1's loss is another racing series gain In brief, we are interested in the racing, not the bitching!

That matches the "agenda" of SOFA, but, if you're not interested in joining, it's no problem. Just know if you're ever fed up of requests to take sides on an issue, there is a third option - SOFA, where we don't get involved in politics whatsoever.

But creating a party kinda defeats the object of not getting involved in politics surely?

Stramala [kostas22] wrote:I think Ferrari should come and join SOFA. It's nice and comfy over here. They can just sit back and relax and not have the other teams pester them for memebership or any kind of political alleigance.

I quite agree with this and we kindly accept the invitation. (We don't want to go through allegiances either.)

And with that, I would request a large decrease in chassis mass.

Wolf would like to join SOFA.

Are Wolf eligable for upgrades this round?