F1 Alternativ: season 1990

Shizuka · Post by **Shizuka** » 27 Aug 2013, 06:34

An engine failure for Alessandro on the first lap? That's sad

Alextrax52 · Post by **Alextrax52** » 27 Aug 2013, 08:23

Yes my Maiden Victory. I'm so happy about that

Post by **Ataxia** » 27 Aug 2013, 09:18

Well, both Caffi and Gachot qualified. That rear wing seems to have been a good investment...

pycku · Post by **pycku** » 27 Aug 2013, 09:38

Thatd it, arnoux is sacked with immediate effect and hill is promoted to 2nd driver position. Wr will offer danner, dumfries, morbidelli and winkelhock test role - the one who offers the most money gets the position

takagi_for_the_win · Post by **takagi_for_the_win** » 27 Aug 2013, 10:22

Ah that was a bit disappointing...

SeedStriker · Post by **SeedStriker** » 27 Aug 2013, 15:36

Still suffering in qualify, but Larini have race pace and the car is slowly climbing to upper mid-field thanks to added development. Tarquini needs to improve in the next races or Gary Brabham will have a go in the race weekend.

Hermann95 · Post by **Hermann95** » 27 Aug 2013, 17:07

pycku wrote:Thatd it, arnoux is sacked with immediate effect and hill is promoted to 2nd driver position. Wr will offer danner, dumfries, morbidelli and winkelhock test role - the one who offers the most money gets the position

Christian Danner
1-20...can't offer some money
21-55...250k$
56-75...500k$
76-90...750k$
91-100...1m$
13 no money from him

Johnny Dumfries
1-20...can't offer some money
21-55...250k$
56-75...500k$
76-90...750k$
91-100...1m$
4 can't provide any money

Giani Morbidelli
1-20...can't offer some money
21-55...250k$
56-75...500k$
76-90...750k$
91-100...1m$
93 1m$ from him!

Joachim Winkelhock
1-20...can't offer some money
21-55...250k$
56-75...500k$
76-90...750k$
91-100...1m$
42 250k...

This would mean Morbidelli is the new test driver from Footwork Arrows.

Peteroli34 · Post by **Peteroli34** » 27 Aug 2013, 17:18

If the driver signing process is beginning after the italian gp, how can we sign drivers when we dont have the budgets for 1991

Hermann95 · Post by **Hermann95** » 27 Aug 2013, 17:29

peteroli34 wrote:If the driver signing process is beginning after the italian gp, how can we sign drivers when we dont have the budgets for 1991

After the british GP there will be the rule announcment for 1991! At the same time i will present the new sponsoring system so that you will have an idea of how much money you can probably gain!
It will also be possible to play it safer and sign drivers after the season but some "big fishes" will be away than!

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News

Ferrari will bring a new engine for the Silverstone race!

Ferrari announced that they will supplie engines for 1 team in 1991! It isn't clear now if it will be the new '91 spec or the old '90 spec!

Peteroli34 · Post by **Peteroli34** » 27 Aug 2013, 17:38

After the british GP there will be the rule announcment for 1991! At the same time i will present the new sponsoring system so that you will have an idea of how much money you can probably gain
It will also be possible to play it safer and sign drivers after the season but some "big fishes" will be away then

Ok then although Tyrrell will probably keep their drivers for next season but at least it will be nice to know potentially how much money we have to spend

Hermann95 · Post by **Hermann95** » 27 Aug 2013, 23:15

At the moment this 5 teams would have to pre qualify in the second half of the season:

Dallara
AGS
Osella
Coloni
Eurobrun

Klon · Post by **Klon** » 27 Aug 2013, 23:25

Would Rene Arnoux mind looking for sponsors? If he can bring Brabham some money we would immediately replace Aguri Suzuki with him as reserve driver.

Shizuka · Post by **Shizuka** » 28 Aug 2013, 07:51

Hermann95 wrote:At the moment this 5 teams would have to pre qualify in the second half of the season:

Dallara
AGS
Osella
Coloni
Eurobrun

AGS has their chance now.

Hermann95 · Post by **Hermann95** » 28 Aug 2013, 20:01

Klon wrote:Would Rene Arnoux mind looking for sponsors? If he can bring Brabham some money we would immediately replace Aguri Suzuki with him as reserve driver.

1-80...Ritire from F1
81-90...search for sponsors
3 Rene Arnoux will ritire from F1 imediately!

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Round 8: Silverstone

Pre Qualifying
1 Alex Caffi (AGS-Lamborghini) 1:14.301
2 Pierluigi Martini (Larrousse-Ford) 1:14.551
3 Alessandro Zanardi (Larrouse-Ford) 1:14.591
4 Bertrand Gachot (AGS-Lamborghini) 1:14.868
5 Alan McNish (Eurobrun-Ford) 1:15.275 DNPQ
6 Heinz-Harald Frentzen (Eurobrun-Ford) 1:15.675 DNPQ
7 Paolo Barilla (Coloni-Judd) 1:16.115 DNPQ
8 Olivier Grouillard (Osella-Ford) 1:16.510 DNPQ
9 Piercarlo Ghinzani (Osella-Ford) 1:16.830 DNPQ

Hermann95 · Post by **Hermann95** » 28 Aug 2013, 20:36

Round 8: Silverstone

Qualifying

1 Alain Prost (Meclaren-Honda) 1:12.161
2 Jean Alesi (Meclaren-Honda) 1:12.224
3 Nelson Piquet (Ferrari) 1:12.279
4 Satoru Nakajima (Ferrari) 1:12.537
5 Thierry Boutsen (Williams-Renault) 1:12.571
6 Stefano Modena (Williams-Renault) 1:12.851
7 Ayrton Senna (Benneton-Ford) 1:12.958
8 Mark Blundell (Tyrell-Renault) 1:13.162
9 Gerhard Berger (Lotus-Judd) 1:13.164
10 Martin Brundle (Tyrell-Renault) 1:13.187
11 Alessandro Nannini (Benneton-Ford) 1:13.313
12 Mika Häkkinen (Footwork Arrows-Ford) 1:13.389
13 Damon Hill (Footwork Arrows-Ford) 1:13.760
14 Eric van der Poele (Lotus-Judd) 1:13.794
15 Roberto Moreno (Ligier-Ford) 1:14.010
16 Derek Warwick (Ligier-Ford) 1:14.043
17 Nigel Mansell (Brabham-Ford) 1:14.146
18 Alex Caffi (AGS-Lamborghini) 1:14.310
19 Ricardo Patrese (Leyton House-Ford) 1:14.311
20 Alessandro Zanardi (Larrouse-Ford) 1:14.403
21 Michele Alboreto (Minardi-Judd) 1:14.580
22 Stefan Johansson (Onyx-Ford) 1:14.599
23 Nicola Larini (Dallara-Lamborghini) 1:14.645
24 Andrea de Cesaris (Brabham-Ford) 1:14.656
25 Bertrand Gachot (AGS-Lamborghini) 1:14.666
26 Gabriele Tarquini (Dallara-Lamborghini) 1:14.887
27 Fabricio Giovanardi (Minardi-Judd) 1:14.917 DNPQ
28 Pierluigi Martini (Larrousse-Ford) 1:14.921 DNPQ
29 Eddie Irvine (Onyx-Ford) 1:14.966 DNPQ
30 Ivan Capelli (Leyton House-Ford) 1:15.201 DNPQ

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After the Qualifying Honda made a big announcement!
They statet that they will have a partnership with Ayrton Senna for 1991!
It isn't shure what exactly this mean for F1 teams but it is rumourd that it could have something to do with an engine deal!
Honda said that they will announce more details after the Race!

Hermann95 · Post by **Hermann95** » 28 Aug 2013, 21:08

Round 8: Silverstone

Race

What a race here at Silverstone. After the start Alesi was leading over Piquet and Prost. In lap 6 it startet to rain! One lap later Piquet couln't hold his car on track and spun off into the cravel! The rain caused chaos on the track because sometimes it startet to dry and some drivers pit and than it startet to rain again! This caused that some drivers pitet 5 times during the race! Mark Blundell was the most clever driver out there! He managed to pit only once! Even Ayrton Senna had to pit twice! At the end of the race it was very dramatic! Mark Blundell was in a comfortable lead over Berger but Senna, who was in 3rd laped between 1 and 2.5 seconds faster than Blundell! Senna overtook Berger in lap 59 but didn't caught Blundell! Alesi who was in 4th poition hit the barriers in lap 53 which gave Alex Caffi in his AGS p6! Caffi only pited once same as Blundell! This race was just incredible!

1 Mark Blundell (Tyrell-Renault) 1:26:56.853
2 Ayrton Senna (Benneton-Ford) 1:27:00.857
3 Gerhard Berger (Lotus-Judd) 1:27:02.179
4 Damon Hill (Footwork Arrows-Ford) 1:27:29.687
5 Andrea de Cesaris (Brabham-Ford) 1:27:44.916
6 Alex Caffi (AGS-Lamborghini) 1:27:53:179
7 Derek Warwick (Ligier-Ford) 1:27:58.139
8 Alessandro Nannini (Benneton-Ford) 1:28:00.832
9 Stefano Modena (Williams-Renault) 1:28:06.538
10 Satoru Nakajima (Ferrari) 1:28:24.187
11 Ricardo Patrese (Leyton House-Ford) -1 lap
12 Eric van der Poele (Lotus-Judd) -1 lap
13 Nicola Larini (Dallara-Lamborghini) -1 lap
14 Thierry Boutsen (Williams-Renault) -1 lap/Gearbox
15 Gabriele Tarquini (Dallara-Lamborghini) -2 laps
16 Roberto Moreno (Ligier-Ford) -2 laps
— Alessandro Zanardi (Larrouse-Ford) DNF lap 54/accident
Jean Alesi (Meclaren-Honda) DNF lap 53/accident
Alain Prost (Meclaren-Honda) DNF lap 45/Engine
Nigel Mansell (Brabham-Ford) DNF lap 43/Brakes
Mika Häkkinen (Footwork Arrows-Ford) DNF lap 29/Suspension
Michele Alboreto (Minardi-Judd) DNF lap 27/Gearbox
Martin Brundle (Tyrell-Renault) DNF lap 17/Spun
Bertrand Gachot (AGS-Lamborghini) DNF lap 12/Collision
Stefan Johansson (Onyx-Ford) DNF lap 12/Collision
Nelson Piquet (Ferrari) DNF lap 7/Spun

fastest lap: Ayrton Senna

Peteroli34 · Post by **Peteroli34** » 28 Aug 2013, 21:20

Tyyrell won i cant believe it we finally had some luck and i believe this puts us out of debt. lets get some more wins

good_Ralf · Post by **good_Ralf** » 28 Aug 2013, 21:23

Given what AGS achieved I wonder what might have happened if we were fast enough to qualify... Anyway, at the moment scoring points would be a pipe dream.

Note: that was only the 28th time the term 'pipe dream' was used on this forum.

Alextrax52 · Post by **Alextrax52** » 28 Aug 2013, 21:29

Ferrari are urging Satoru Nakajima to up his game otherwise he will be fired and Dalmas will take his place. He has been warned

Post by **Ataxia** » 28 Aug 2013, 21:33

Jacques Couteau wrote:Oui, oui, ouiiiiiii! Many bouteilles de champagne will be consumed zis evening!

Very pleased with that; I think that's one point for sound fiscal management!

Salamander · Post by **Salamander** » 28 Aug 2013, 21:35

Okay it's been 3 races since Williams scored, and in the last 2 I only had 1 DNF. What the hell is going on?

Hermann95 · Post by **Hermann95** » 28 Aug 2013, 21:38

Drivers Championship

1.Jean Alesi 27
2. Ayrton Senna 27
3. Nelson Piquet 24
4. Alain Prost 21
5. Thierry Boutsen 19
6. Mika Häkkinen 18
7. Gerhard Berger 13
8. Stefano Modena 10
9. Alessandro Nannini 10
10. Mark Blundell 9
11. Nigel Mansell 5
12. Satoru Nakajima 3
13. Damon Hill 3
14. Michele Alboreto 3
15. Alessandro Zanardi 2
16. Andrea de Cesaris 2
17. Martin Brundle 1
18. Stefan Johansson 1
19. Roberto Moreno 1
20. Alex Caffi 1

Constructors Championship
1. Mclaren 48
2. Benneton 37
3. Williams 29
4. Ferrari 27
5. Arrows 21
6. Lotus 13
7. Tyrell 10
8. Brabham 7
9. Minardi 3
10. Larrouse 2
11. Onyx 1
12. Ligier 1
13. AGS 1

Prize Money
Tyrell 900k
Benneton 600k
Lotus 400k
Arrows 300k
Brabham 200k
AGS 100k

Pole Position Challange
Alain Prost 5
Nelson Piquet 2
Jean Alesi 1

Fastest Lap Challange
Jean Alesi 2
Alain Prost 1
Stefano Modena 1
Gerhard Berger 1
Thierry Boutsen 1
Nelson Piquet 1
Ayrton Senna 1

Team Budgets
Ferrari 20,7m$
Tyrell 0,21m$
Williams 12,9m$
Brabham 1,9m$
Footwork Arrows 2,8m$
Lotus 3,3m$
Osella 4,65m$
Leyton House 2,7m$
AGS 1,85m$
Benneton 12,2m$
BMS-Dallara -0,5m$
Minardi -2,2m$
Ligier 1,1m$
Mclaren 7,9m$
Larrousse 4,9m$
Coloni 0,1m$
Euro Brun -9,5m$
Onyx 0,69m$

Teams which have to pre qualify from the next rae on:
Leyton House
Dallara
Osella
Eurobrun
Coloni
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News
Honda presented details about theyr partnership with Ayrton Senna:
The team that sign's Ayrton Senna for 1991 will recieve an option for an exclusive Honda contract!
This option includes: Honda engines for listprice, free upgrades and it is rumourd that they will pay 10% of Ayrton's salary for 1991!
Experts say this is a very good deal, because it is rumourd that Mclaren payed over 20m$ for theyr Honda engines this year!

Edit: don't forget to vote! Lotus, Mclaren and Coloni are left to vote!

Peteroli34 · Post by **Peteroli34** » 28 Aug 2013, 22:04

Hermann95 wrote:
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News
Honda presented details about theyr partnership with Ayrton Senna:
The team that sign's Ayrton Senna for 1991 will recieve an option for an exclusive Honda contract!
This option includes: Honda engines for listprice, free upgrades and it is rumourd that they will pay 10% of Ayrton's salary for 1991!
Experts say this is a very good deal, because it is rumourd that Mclaren payed over 20m$ for theyr Honda engines this year

Will Tyrrel will have to try an sign Senna for 1991 As we can test know we will stay at silverstone and all 3 drivers will test our active suspension system see if we can get it too work

Hermann95 · Post by **Hermann95** » 28 Aug 2013, 22:08

peteroli34 wrote:
Will Tyrrel will have to try an sign Senna for 1991 As we can test know we will stay at silverstone and all 3 drivers will test our active suspension system see if we can get it too work

Accepted, please state your testing bids until 31 of August

FantometteBR · Post by **FantometteBR** » 28 Aug 2013, 23:00

Can we try updates now?

good_Ralf · Post by **good_Ralf** » 28 Aug 2013, 23:12

All 3 EuroBrun drivers will test the floor at Brands Hatch.

Post by **Ataxia** » 28 Aug 2013, 23:13

We're out of pre-qualifying? This gets better...anyway, AGS will stay at Silverstone and invest in working on our gearbox with all three cars.

UncreativeUsername37 · Post by **UncreativeUsername37** » 28 Aug 2013, 23:18

Leyton House will test power steering with all three cars at Silverstone. We feel locking ourselves out of an eventual contract with Jarno Trulli is worth the tradeoff.

SeedStriker · Post by **SeedStriker** » 28 Aug 2013, 23:59

Both cars qualified, both cars get to the flag. Massive improve and Tarquini saved his place.

Dallara will go to Monza for testing
Car 1 and 2: Gearbox
Car 3: Adjustable Front Wing

pycku · Post by **pycku** » 29 Aug 2013, 05:56

Finally we are happy to have two competitive drivers! Damon scored points on his debut, that is what we all hoped.

However, we must improve in order to challenge even more the top teams. That is why we will stay at Silverstone with Mika and Damon working on front wing, while new driver Giani Morbidelli will work on suspension (as it seems that this is the weakest part of our car).

Shizuka · Post by **Shizuka** » 29 Aug 2013, 05:56

Can you tell me how Zanardi DNF-d, or in which position he was before retirement?
Also, Larrousse will keep on pounding the Silverstone track trying to develop the power steering.

Klon · Post by **Klon** » 29 Aug 2013, 07:45

We will have Aguri Suzuki and Nigel Mansell work on the floor at whatever the next F1 venue is.

Phoenix · Post by **Phoenix** » 29 Aug 2013, 12:50

Question 1: start of 1991.

Question 2: after the 12th race of 1990.

Also, McLaren will try and sign Ayrton Senna for 1991; however, details about his salary won't be released until after later in the season, but we'll try for it to be high.

We'll be testing the electrical system at Jerez with all 3 drivers.

Hermann95 · Post by **Hermann95** » 29 Aug 2013, 12:56

Shizuka wrote:Can you tell me how Zanardi DNF-d, or in which position he was before retirement?
Also, Larrousse will keep on pounding the Silverstone track trying to develop the power steering.

He was between Patrese and van der Poele! He spun off the track and hit the barrier. The crash wasn't that hard!

Klon wrote:We will have Aguri Suzuki and Nigel Mansell work on the floor at whatever the next F1 venue is.

What is about de Cesaris? Next venue will be Hockenheim!

Alextrax52 · Post by **Alextrax52** » 29 Aug 2013, 12:57

Ferrari:Piquet and Nakajima will be testing the Suspension and Dalmas will be testing the Cooling System. We will be testing at Monza

Shizuka · Post by **Shizuka** » 29 Aug 2013, 13:25

Hermann95 wrote:He was between Patrese and van der Poele! He spun off the track and hit the barrier. The crash wasn't that hard!

Thanks - we're off the pace then very hard.

Hermann95 · Post by **Hermann95** » 29 Aug 2013, 13:56

Hey,
at the moment i am searching for sponsors which where around F1 in the early 90's(91 would be best!)
Maybe you can help me because it's for the sponsoring system.
This ones i already have:

Marlboro
Canon
Camel
Gitanes
7 Up
Braun
Fondmetal
Honda
Renault
Ford
Tic Tac
Fujifilm
Toshiba
Shell
Blaupunkt
BP
Goodyear
Pirelli
Agip
Elf
Pioneer
Mobil 1
Epson

good_Ralf · Post by **good_Ralf** » 29 Aug 2013, 14:34

I think there was a sponsor at Lotus in 1991 called Yellow Hat. What about Leyton House, PIAA and Labatts?

Bleu · Post by **Bleu** » 29 Aug 2013, 15:10

Faure
Riello
USF&G
Sanyo
Bioptron
Lucchini (part-owner of Scuderia Italia I believe)
Carglass
SCM

Post by **Nuppiz** » 29 Aug 2013, 15:45

Autobacs
Brooksfield
Calbee
Qantas
Autopolis
Denim Aftershave
Tommy Hilfiger
Komatsu
Tamiya
Nichibutsu
Camozzi
Bosch
Fiamm
DeLonghi
Unisys

Especially for Finnish drivers:
Neste
Nokia
Iltalehti