Grand Prix Rejects

Posted: **14 Jan 2017, 16:45**

CoopsII wrote:Fellow on HuffPost makes some good points, many of which we've made on here in the past...

http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/tim-goodchild/bernie-ecclestone_b_14042534.html

Some good points.
Unfortunately due to their increasingly obnoxious liberal/leftist/feminist agenda, I cannot take anything posted by Huffington Post seriously.

Posted: **14 Jan 2017, 17:46**

DonTirri wrote:
CoopsII wrote:Fellow on HuffPost makes some good points, many of which we've made on here in the past...

http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/tim-goodchild/bernie-ecclestone_b_14042534.html

Some good points.
Unfortunately due to their increasingly obnoxious liberal/leftist/feminist agenda, I cannot take anything posted by Huffington Post seriously.

Yeah, 'cos it's so obnoxious to have a feminist agenda? :roll:

Posted: **14 Jan 2017, 20:11**

dr-baker wrote:
DonTirri wrote:
CoopsII wrote:Fellow on HuffPost makes some good points, many of which we've made on here in the past...

http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/tim-goodchild/bernie-ecclestone_b_14042534.html

Some good points.
Unfortunately due to their increasingly obnoxious liberal/leftist/feminist agenda, I cannot take anything posted by Huffington Post seriously.

Yeah, 'cos it's so obnoxious to have a feminist agenda?

Nope. But going to the extremes in an agenda of any sort is obnoxious. And Huff Post is reaching a critical mass in that regard.

Posted: **14 Jan 2017, 21:52**

DonTirri wrote:Unfortunately due to their increasingly obnoxious liberal/leftist/feminist agenda, I cannot take anything posted by Huffington Post seriously.

Probably why I read it. Particularly with the rise of the right across the Western world. I wouldn't expect you to be a reader.

Posted: **14 Jan 2017, 23:20**

DonTirri wrote:
CoopsII wrote:Fellow on HuffPost makes some good points, many of which we've made on here in the past...

http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/tim-goodchild/bernie-ecclestone_b_14042534.html

Some good points.
Unfortunately due to their increasingly obnoxious liberal/leftist/feminist agenda, I cannot take anything posted by Huffington Post seriously.

I wouldn't listen to James o Brien on LBC if I were you in this case.

Posted: **15 Jan 2017, 17:51**

andrew wrote:
DonTirri wrote:
CoopsII wrote:Fellow on HuffPost makes some good points, many of which we've made on here in the past...

http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/tim-goodchild/bernie-ecclestone_b_14042534.html

Some good points.
Unfortunately due to their increasingly obnoxious liberal/leftist/feminist agenda, I cannot take anything posted by Huffington Post seriously.

I wouldn't listen to James o Brien on LBC if I were you in this case.

Whilst I am certainly not surprised that journal is not to DonTirri's liking, nor would be I surprised if he found James O'Brien difficult, there is the twist that LBC have, I believe, recently recruited Nigel Farage to present his own radio programme.

Posted: **16 Jan 2017, 08:50**

mario wrote:Whilst I am certainly not surprised that journal is not to DonTirri's liking, nor would be I surprised if he found James O'Brien difficult, there is the twist that LBC have, I believe, recently recruited Nigel Farage to present his own radio programme.

They have and Farage has written for Huffpost in the past too. Y'see, us over here don't feel we need an echo chamber even if those over there insist on their own.

Posted: **16 Jan 2017, 12:13**

Pascal Wehrlein to Sauber.

So Nasr is out, Manor has two seats free (if they survive) and Mercedes with one (Bottas likely).

Posted: **16 Jan 2017, 12:14**

Aguaman wrote:Pascal Wehrlein to Sauber.

So Nasr is out, Manor has two seats free (if they survive) and Mercedes with one (Bottas likely).

Bottas practically confirmed according to motorsport.com

Posted: **16 Jan 2017, 12:16**

Yeah

So that leaves Nasr either to Manor or no drive. Williams can't have him since he is under 25.

Posted: **16 Jan 2017, 16:53**

Massa back in F1 after retirement. Who's he think he is? Nigel Mansell?

Posted: **16 Jan 2017, 17:03**

pasta_maldonado wrote:
Aguaman wrote:Pascal Wehrlein to Sauber.

So Nasr is out, Manor has two seats free (if they survive) and Mercedes with one (Bottas likely).

Bottas practically confirmed according to motorsport.com

Bottas actually confirmed so we can finally stop hooray I guess

Posted: **16 Jan 2017, 20:17**

Massa's not retiring then.....

Posted: **17 Jan 2017, 00:05**

WeirdKerr wrote::facepalm: Massa's not retiring then.....

Well that makes McLaren's ambition to finish in the top 4 a bit easier.

Massa is great but once you're gone, you're gone. Just hope he survives the season unscathed.

Posted: **17 Jan 2017, 01:32**

With the upcoming new retirement rules in Brazil, Massa was forced to return if he wants a true retirement.

Talking serious now, I want to see what Massa can do now. His second half in last season was very underwhelming. With no pressure and probably more motivated to racing, I predict he can do better.

Posted: **17 Jan 2017, 03:46**

Seeing Massa return definitely gives me mixed feelings. Not particularly a big fan of him but you just gotta love him. At the same time though, those emotional moments at Brazil are now worth nothing. Seems a bit awkward, and I wonder what will happen at Brazil this year (doubt it'll be as emotional as 2016). Shame that because of Martini a younger (possibly quicker, dare I say it) driver a.k.a. Wehrlein didn't get the drive, but happy that he's still on the grid for this season. Definitely gonna be very interesting with all these driver changes.

Posted: **17 Jan 2017, 08:45**

wmetcalf7 4 wrote:Seeing Massa return definitely gives me mixed feelings. Not particularly a big fan of him but you just gotta love him. At the same time though, those emotional moments at Brazil are now worth nothing. Seems a bit awkward, and I wonder what will happen at Brazil this year (doubt it'll be as emotional as 2016). Shame that because of Martini a younger (possibly quicker, dare I say it) driver a.k.a. Wehrlein didn't get the drive, but happy that he's still on the grid for this season. Definitely gonna be very interesting with all these driver changes.

I think it is surprising that Williams opted for Massa but it must be a measure of the contribution he makes to developing a car, even if the results aren't always the best. As far as the emotions of last season go, he wasn't to know and it was all very genuine at the time so nothings spoiled for me but I'd expect his farewell this season to be a little more light hearted.

EDIT - Hazy hopes - at some point this year thanks to being in the right place at the right time Massa wins a race and F1 looks like a decent sport again.

Posted: **20 Jan 2017, 21:34**

Yeah I mean that car's come on leaps and bounds while Massa's been there!

Posted: **21 Jan 2017, 07:48**

Spectoremg wrote:Yeah I mean that car's come on leaps and bounds while Massa's been there!

The obvious reply to that is to wonder how bad it could've been had he not been there!

I'm only guessing that's one of the reasons they took him back. For all we know it's the size of his gentleman's appendage that Claire likes.

Posted: **21 Jan 2017, 17:07**

Pretty colours?

Posted: **21 Jan 2017, 17:13**

Aislabie wrote:Pretty colours?

I hope they use that good old-fashioned yellowy orange (which, apparently, originally came from Reynolds' Aluminium) and not that orange they used in testing a few years back, which made it look like a Spyker. But in any case it would make the grid a lot more colorful, especially if Sauber switch back to a grey livery, which I very much hope they don't.

Posted: **21 Jan 2017, 19:14**

Waris wrote:
Aislabie wrote:Pretty colours?

I hope they use that good old-fashioned yellowy orange (which, apparently, originally came from Reynolds' Aluminium) and not that orange they used in testing a few years back, which made it look like a Spyker. But in any case it would make the grid a lot more colorful, especially if Sauber switch back to a grey livery, which I very much hope they don't.

I believe that the original shade of orange which was used by McLaren was 'papaya orange', which I think is fairly similar to the shade that has traditionally been used by school busses in the US. The origins of that particular livery seem to be a bit opaque, and McLaren themselves seem to be a little uncertain about the reasons for orange being chosen (they suggested it may have been due to sponsors, but are not entirely certain that is true).

At the moment, the hints would suggest that they may be going for a darker hue, more akin to the old test livery and, in some ways, to what Spyker used - it's still rather unclear though.

Posted: **22 Jan 2017, 20:53**

Congratulations to George Russell on being signed for Mercedes' young driver programme:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/formula1/38679732

I spoke to him briefly on Thursday to set up the interview quoted in the piece, and he certainly sounded excited, perhaps even a little stunned by it all. We've spoken to him a few times on the station, and he's always seemed - to coin a phrase! - "a nice young man!"

Posted: **23 Jan 2017, 10:45**

Jesus, how many times has the idea of an orange McLaren been suggested on here and now it could be becoming a reality? What a time to be alive.

Wait, orange? Who's the title sponsor? Trump?

Posted: **23 Jan 2017, 12:12**

CoopsII wrote:Jesus, how many times has the idea of an orange McLaren been suggested on here and now it could be becoming a reality? What a time to be alive.

Wait, orange? Who's the title sponsor? Trump?

You say that like Donald Trump being the title sponsor of some low-budget new American privateer Formula One team isn't the best idea ever :deletraz:

Posted: **23 Jan 2017, 12:24**

Rob Dylan wrote:
CoopsII wrote:Jesus, how many times has the idea of an orange McLaren been suggested on here and now it could be becoming a reality? What a time to be alive.

Wait, orange? Who's the title sponsor? Trump?

You say that like Donald Trump being the title sponsor of some low-budget new American privateer Formula One team isn't the best idea ever

Low-budget? He wouldn't do low-budget. And if he didn't win he'd claim everyone else was cheating. Or that his team did win but the press reporting was FAKE and Hamilton winning was a LIE.

And I can't begin to imagine his impersonation of Frank Williams.

Posted: **23 Jan 2017, 13:03**

CoopsII wrote:
Rob Dylan wrote:
CoopsII wrote:Jesus, how many times has the idea of an orange McLaren been suggested on here and now it could be becoming a reality? What a time to be alive.

Wait, orange? Who's the title sponsor? Trump?

You say that like Donald Trump being the title sponsor of some low-budget new American privateer Formula One team isn't the best idea ever

Low-budget? He wouldn't do low-budget. And if he didn't win he'd claim everyone else was cheating. Or that his team did win but the press reporting was FAKE and Hamilton winning was a LIE.

And I can't begin to imagine his impersonation of Frank Williams.

Finally USF1 might get off the ground! I doubt Jose Maria Lopez will get a second chance if Trump is involved though.

Posted: **23 Jan 2017, 15:25**

So, after acquiring the F1 rights to Portugal, Eurosport - with another year in their contract - have decided to cancel the contract and instead focus on their new Olympics contract. Yes, they have elacted to cancel F1 to focus on the 2018 Olympics (Winter) and beyond.

And with how close to the start of the season is - I doubt F1 will go live in Portugal over the next 365 days.

Posted: **23 Jan 2017, 17:13**

Miguel98 wrote:So, after acquiring the F1 rights to Portugal, Eurosport - with another year in their contract - have decided to cancel the contract and instead focus on their new Olympics contract. Yes, they have elacted to cancel F1 to focus on the 2018 Olympics (Winter) and beyond.

And with how close to the start of the season is - I doubt F1 will go live in Portugal over the next 365 days.

Quite frankly, I am not surprised. And it serves them well if I am honest.

I've have defended for a while that there is no longer enough fan base in Portugal to support F1 being in Pay TV for the amount the contract costs. People just don't have anything to really care about in the sport. Eurosport should've had supported the costs during these 3 years going free and growing following and then maybe, just maybe, switch to pay TV in a fresh 3 or whatever years contract. This pay TV cash cow has long been milked by Sport TV (the previous rights owner) and it is just a bad deal altogether for the values involved and desired by FOM. Sure, Sport TV can pick it up again at a lower cost now (some deal is better than none?), but does it do to the future revenues or awareness any service? F1 in this country needs to go back to free TV if they really want to have more than a couple of followers around here. This is valid to other non directly involved countries, really. F1 sorely needs to rebuild its aged fan base, otherwise...

Posted: **24 Jan 2017, 10:37**

CoopsII wrote:
Rob Dylan wrote:
CoopsII wrote:Jesus, how many times has the idea of an orange McLaren been suggested on here and now it could be becoming a reality? What a time to be alive.

Wait, orange? Who's the title sponsor? Trump?

You say that like Donald Trump being the title sponsor of some low-budget new American privateer Formula One team isn't the best idea ever

Low-budget? He wouldn't do low-budget. And if he didn't win he'd claim everyone else was cheating. Or that his team did win but the press reporting was FAKE and Hamilton winning was a LIE.

And I can't begin to imagine his impersonation of Frank Williams.

Again, I fail to see why this wouldn't be the best thing ever

Posted: **24 Jan 2017, 12:56**

Rob Dylan wrote:
CoopsII wrote:Jesus, how many times has the idea of an orange McLaren been suggested on here and now it could be becoming a reality? What a time to be alive.

Wait, orange? Who's the title sponsor? Trump?

You say that like Donald Trump being the title sponsor of some low-budget new American privateer Formula One team isn't the best idea ever

I feel like this might need to form the premise of a BSMF series.

Posted: **24 Jan 2017, 16:27**

Aislabie wrote:
Rob Dylan wrote:
CoopsII wrote:Jesus, how many times has the idea of an orange McLaren been suggested on here and now it could be becoming a reality? What a time to be alive.

Wait, orange? Who's the title sponsor? Trump?

You say that like Donald Trump being the title sponsor of some low-budget new American privateer Formula One team isn't the best idea ever

I feel like this might need to form the premise of a BSMF series.

Trump buys into Arrows at the end of 1989 instead of Ohashi & Footwork, and becomes the tangy cheese-flavoured Andrea Sassetti. :pantano:

Posted: **01 Feb 2017, 10:32**

http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/127935/gutierrez-was-too-confident-over-haas-seat
Esteban "future frontrunner" Gutierrez Gutierrez admits he was somewhat overconfident in his belief he would get a seat in 2017.

Meh, he'll probably be back in 2018 to fund one of the backmarker teams.

Posted: **02 Feb 2017, 00:28**

This news got me riled up today.

Appreciate it's just the media stirring the pot, but why should F1 try to attract fickle car manufacturers who clearly aren't interested and seemingly only want road relevance?

Surely the obvious answer here is an engine formula that does away with trying desperately to be road relevant and pushing a square peg through a round hole, and instead is cost effective and allows companies like Cosworth, Judd, etc to fill the gap? If car companies want to join in, then fair enough, but otherwise leave the racing to the companies built up around and designed to do just that. Right?

Posted: **03 Feb 2017, 08:33**

AndreaModa wrote:This news got me riled up today.

Appreciate it's just the media stirring the pot, but why should F1 try to attract fickle car manufacturers who clearly aren't interested and seemingly only want road relevance?

Surely the obvious answer here is an engine formula that does away with trying desperately to be road relevant and pushing a square peg through a round hole, and instead is cost effective and allows companies like Cosworth, Judd, etc to fill the gap? If car companies want to join in, then fair enough, but otherwise leave the racing to the companies built up around and designed to do just that. Right?

Maybe they're sounding out the new management to see how receptive they are to doing some sort of deal? I do think that, despite everything, F1 is still a good way for manufacturers to advertise their brand to a broad audience. It's just that in the recent past it cost more to do than was justifiably reasonable. Perhaps better deals could tempt the big names back in whatever capacity they want.

Posted: **04 Feb 2017, 01:17**

Agreed, it's a perfect platform for manufacturers (on that topic, Ford naming WRC as road-relevant seems laughable to me).

I'm just not sure F1's rulemakers should be bending over backwards and framing the regulations entirely around attracting new car manufacturers (which was exactly the case with the current engines, and look how successful that's been in bringing new companies into the sport).

Posted: **19 Feb 2017, 18:17**

2017 will be Sauber's 25th anniversary as a F1 team. As of the end of 2016 the team has 24 podium finishes. Any chance that they will get their 25th podium this year to match the occasion?

Posted: **19 Feb 2017, 20:40**

CaptainGetz12 wrote:2017 will be Sauber's 25th anniversary as a F1 team. As of the end of 2016 the team has 24 podium finishes. Any chance that they will get their 25th podium this year to match the occasion?

Technically, yes. Realisticly, most likely not.

Posted: **20 Feb 2017, 10:38**

TheFlyingCaterham wrote:
CaptainGetz12 wrote:2017 will be Sauber's 25th anniversary as a F1 team. As of the end of 2016 the team has 24 podium finishes. Any chance that they will get their 25th podium this year to match the occasion?

Technically, yes. Realisticly, most likely not.

If there's a repeat of the 1996 Monaco GP, then yes...

Posted: **24 Feb 2017, 02:50**

Sky Sports F1 wrote:"Talks have been ongoing over the last couple of weeks with a party that would seek to buy the team," he says. "And that has meant that the administrators, who are in charge of the factory and the cars, have deferred any kind of auction or sale of all of those goods until they are sure that either they can go ahead with this sale or that it's not going to come to pass."
[LINK]

Manor Racing Team Fan Blog wrote:The two drivers selected to drive for the team, if the bid is successful, have made no other plans for next season.
[LINK]

Is it wrong that I'm still daring to dream? Also, I can't help but notice this:

F1 Fanatic wrote:Nyck De Vries is yet to announce his plans.
[LINK]

Could it perhaps tie in with a last-minute Honda engine supply deal if Manor were to return and to run a McHonda young driver in return for a discount? Or have I entered the realm of truly silly conjecture.

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