Grand Prix Rejects

Posted: **10 Jan 2012, 21:39**

The Lukas wrote:Claes Racing Developments Line Up to 1951 season
Johnny Claes
Toulo de Graffenried
Louis Chiron is Fired

Did you miss where I said de Graffenried was racing for Ferrari again?

Posted: **10 Jan 2012, 21:52**

Wizzie wrote:
And the reason the two races are 4 days apart is to stop people doing both

Well that seemed to have worked I suppose... expect a lot of privateers in Indy

Wizzie wrote:The boss of Jaguar is interested in forming a sort of superteam with the boss of Aston Martin to secure the future of these two British sportscar manufacturers

On these conditions:
A) That Eugene Martin gets a drive for the season (Indianapolis excluded), as he already had a contract for 1951
B) That an Aston Martin V10 shall be developed and used to power the team
C) That Jaguar is to develop the chassis (or the car if the said term hasn't been invented yet)

Posted: **10 Jan 2012, 23:02**

JeremyMcClean wrote:
Wizzie wrote:The boss of Jaguar is interested in forming a sort of superteam with the boss of Aston Martin to secure the future of these two British sportscar manufacturers

On these conditions:
A) That Eugene Martin gets a drive for the season (Indianapolis excluded), as he already had a contract for 1951
B) That an Aston Martin V10 shall be developed and used to power the team
C) That Jaguar is to develop the chassis (or the car if the said term hasn't been invented yet)

Sounds like a plan. Jaguar - Aston Martin Racing will now enter a third car for Eugene Martin and will have a fourth car available each event for anyone with enough money to pay for a drive.

Posted: **11 Jan 2012, 00:07**

JeremyMcClean wrote:
Wizzie wrote:And the reason the two races are 4 days apart is to stop people doing both

Well that seemed to have worked I suppose... expect a lot of privateers in Indy

Oh yeah that's right, Trintignant can't race both... I hope Alfa will be happy with Vukovic instead. I will decide about the third seat later.

Posted: **11 Jan 2012, 01:56**

wmetcalf68 wrote:Can I enter Nino Farina with my own privateer team?

Can someone please answer my question?

Posted: **11 Jan 2012, 02:01**

wmetcalf68 wrote:
wmetcalf68 wrote:Can I enter Nino Farina with my own privateer team?

Can someone please answer my question?

The short answer is no. He's already entered with the Alfa works team for next year.

Posted: **11 Jan 2012, 02:07**

Wizzie wrote:
wmetcalf68 wrote:
wmetcalf68 wrote:Can I enter Nino Farina with my own privateer team?

Can someone please answer my question?

The short answer is no. He's already entered with the Alfa works team for next year.

Dang it! Then can I enter José Froilán González?

Posted: **11 Jan 2012, 02:11**

wmetcalf68 wrote:
Wizzie wrote:
wmetcalf68 wrote:
The short answer is no. He's already entered with the Alfa works team for next year.

Dang it! Then can I enter José Froilán González?

As far as I know, Phoenix is keeping him and Ascari for next year.

Posted: **11 Jan 2012, 09:40**

Shadaza wrote:
The team Formally known as Kurtis Kraft have Purchased 3 1950 spec Ferrari chassis and engines to be modified for the 1951 season (Unless the factory Ferrari team veto this) and Intend to enter Lugi Villoresi for every round of the season minus the Indy 500. The Italian will be partnered by an as of yet un-named American driver in an aim to boost sales of the Ferrari America series. The Kurtis Kraft 01 chassis used for the 1950 season will be in operation at the Indianapolis 500, where like last year we offer 4 customer cars, Ecurie Australia having priority thanks to their custom last year.

I have a few questions, first how exactly will the constructors championship work? Will it be the top driver in a race scoring points? or all drivers in a team that are in point scoring positions? and does running different engine configurations count as separate team entries?

With the calendar as it is it seems impossible to compete in both the Monaco Gp and the Indy 500, I am completely fine with this.

Ferrari America Release drivers!

Hans von Stuck has been released from the team, but we would like to thank him for his development work!
Joie Chitwood Will no longer be driving in Europe, However he will hopefully drive the Kurtis Kraft Offenhauser at the Indy 500 along with Test driver Jimmy Jackson.

For the constructor's championship, it will only be the top driver scoring points, as some constructors will have more cars than others thanks to privateers. As for the engine question, Kurtis Kraft-Offenhauser and Kurtis Kraft-Ferrari would be considered different constructors. To keep some sense of competitivity between privateers, some of the PA will be determined by an entrants championship.

JeremyMcClean wrote:Why is Monaco and Indianapolis four days apart?

To make sure that no driver attempts both, as in real life. Conspiracy theorists will say it's to avoid the embarrasment of the European teams. However, this only applies to drivers, and regular teams may choose to compete at Indianapolis, but with different drivers.

Here's how things will work for 1951. For the first race, teams will be allowed a maximum of four entries, regardless of their position. On the basis of the entrants championship after the race and discounting the Indy 500 for this purpose only, Teams in the top third will be granted 18 entries for the season, teams in the middle third 12 entries and teams in the bottom third 6 entries. The entries will be used in any way the teams wish, with a maximum of four cars per race. Should a team move thirds throughout the year, the allocation will be modified as the organisers see fit.

Current lineups announced
Ferrari America
Luigi Villoresi (ITA) - all except Indianapolis
TBA (USA) - all except Indianapolis
Joie Chitwood (USA) - Indianapolis 500
Jimmy Jackson (USA) - Indianapolis 500
TBA (GBR) - Great Britain

Scuderia Ferrari
Dorino Serafini (ITA) - all except Indianapolis
Toulo de Graffenried (SUI) - all except Indianapolis (disputed with Claes Racing Developments)
Peter Whitehead (GBR) - Monaco, France, (Great Britain), Netherlands
Reg Parnell (GBR) - Indianapolis 500, Belgium, (Great Britain), Germany, Italy

Redman Racing Team
Franco Rol (ITA) - races TBA
(André Simon) (FRA) - depends on Rol's availability

Jaguar - Aston Martin Racing
Bob Gerard (GBR) - all except Indianapolis
Philippe Etancelin (FRA) - all except Indianapolis
Eugène Martin (FRA) - all except Indianapolis
TBA (???) - races TBA

Scuderia Platé-Varzi
Hans von Stuck (GER) - races TBA

Alexander Racing Team
Robert Manzon (FRA) - all except Indianapolis
Tony Bettenhausen (USA) - all except Indianapolis
Yves Giraud-Cabantous (FRA) - all except Indianapolis
Consalvo Sanesi (ITA) - races TBA

Ecurie Nationale Belge
Scuderia Belgio
Maurice Trintignant (FRA) - all except Indianapolis
André Pilette (BEL) - Monaco
Bill Vukovich (USA) - Indianapolis 500
Charles Van Acker (BEL) - Indianapolis 500, Belgium, France, Italy
Eugène Chaboud (FRA) - Britain, Germany, Netherlands

Equipe de France
Eugène Chaboud (FRA) - Monaco, France

Garage Francorchamps
Jacques Swaters (BEL) - Belgium, Britain, Germany, Netherlands

Nello Pagani
Nello Pagani (ITA) - Italy

Motorsport Bleu
B. Bira (THA) - all except Indianapolis
Louis Rosier (FRA) - all except Indianapolis

Hampshire Racing Alliance
David Hampshire (GBR) - races TBA
TBA (GBR) - Britain

Claes Racing Developments
Johnny Claes (BEL) - all except Indianapolis
Toulo de Graffenried (SUI) - all except Indianapolis (disputed with Scuderia Ferrari)

Alfa Romeo SpA
Giuseppe Farina (ITA) - all except Indianapolis
Juan Manuel Fangio (ARG) - all except Indianapolis
Stirling Moss (GBR) - all except Indianapolis
Paul Pietsch (GER) - Monaco, Belgium, France
Tony Gaze (AUS) - Britain, Germany
Mike Hawthorn (GBR) - Netherlands, Italy
Mauri Rose (USA) - Indianapolis 500
Myron Fohr (USA) - Indianapolis 500

All-American Racers
Troy Ruttman (USA) - Monaco
Harry Schell (USA) - Indianapolis 500

Posted: **11 Jan 2012, 09:59**

Is Troy Ruttman still eligible? If so, let's have him for the season opener with the rest of AAR.

And if possible, let's have Harry Schell at Indy.

Posted: **11 Jan 2012, 10:01**

Scuderia Ferrari driver plans:

At the Monaco GP, Ferrari will be represented by Serafini, de Graffenried and Whitehead, while Parnell and some mechanics will be racing in Indy with Kurtis Kraft-Ferraris. At Belgium, Parnell will race along with the regulars, and they will alternate race by race. At Britain, whichever of the two has more points will race for Ferrari while the other will race for Kurtis Kraft (part of the deal). They will then continue where they left off (so, if Whitehead is ahead in points after France, since he would have driven there, Parnell will race with Kurtis Kraft at Britain and then with Ferrari at Germany while Whitehead sits out. If Parnell is ahead going into Britain, he gets two in a row with Ferrari.) In theory, that should be under the entry limit, because the team believes that they should easily be in the top third. Being allowed a fourth entry for Monaco, they are looking for a one-off driver, preferably from Italy (I can't be bothered finding someone right now).

Posted: **11 Jan 2012, 10:26**

Alfa Romeo SpA is proud to annouce that Paul Pietsch is signed to race Monaco, Belgian and French GP. For the British and German GP we will move forward the name of Tony Gaze and wait for the FIA approval. For the Dutch and Italian GP the same will be made with Mike Hawthorn which was previously denied a licence but hopefully will have gathered suficient experience to be granted one by now. Finally, for the Indianapolis GP we will field 2 Alfas driven by former drivers Mauri Rose and Myron Fohr. That is all for now, thank you!

Posted: **11 Jan 2012, 10:31**

Since I know sod all about the 1950s and Pay-drivers/Gentlemen racers, I'll let Mr McClean decide who drives the fourth car on any given weekend.

Posted: **11 Jan 2012, 10:40**

DanielPT wrote:For the British and German GP we will move forward the name of Tony Gaze and wait for the FIA approval.

Damn. I wanted him for 1952...

Posted: **11 Jan 2012, 11:03**

the Masked Lapwing wrote:
DanielPT wrote:For the British and German GP we will move forward the name of Tony Gaze and wait for the FIA approval.

Damn. I wanted him for 1952...

After 1951, perhaps we can cut a deal...

Posted: **12 Jan 2012, 00:53**

JeremyMcClean wrote:To clear things up:
Is the following drivers free agents?
Arthur Legat
André Pilette
Paul Frere

update on this, you can run Pilette in Belgium (if he gets a third race), considering you were first to ask. You can run Paul Frère in every race he's allowed except Belgium.

Posted: **12 Jan 2012, 01:53**

Are any of these drivers free agents? Piero Taruffi, Luigi Villoresi, or Andre Simon?

Posted: **12 Jan 2012, 07:45**

wmetcalf68 wrote:Are any of these drivers free agents? Piero Taruffi, Luigi Villoresi, or Andre Simon?

I entered Andre Simon for Reims in 1950, but it was a late entry. I''ll run him at the first race and then you can have him.

SO JUST TO CONFIRM THAT FOR THE REDMAN RACING TEAM:
At MONACO:
Andre Simon, Maserati 4CLT-8

From THEN ON, if possible in the first place (including INDIANAPOLIS if that's OK):
Franco Rol, Maserati 4CLT-8

Posted: **12 Jan 2012, 11:12**

Gioacchino Colombo, team principal of Alfa Romeo SpA wrote:To close the 1950 season I would like to congratulate Giuseppe Farina in winning the first World Drivers Championship. He was been outstanding in every aspect and represents the very own Alfa Romeo philosophy: Passion, speed and style. To these three we are already adding motorsport pedigree thanks to Nino. We partied hard as one can only do, but now are totally focused for 1951 season. Alfa Romeo wants to be the first team to win the newly created World Constructors Championship while defending Farina's championship. We have assigned Giuseppe Busso to be in charge of our motorsport engine department which will develop our current engine and build a new one once new engine rules are announced. To take my place as chief engineer, position I've kept until now, Alfa as chosen Giovanni Michelotti who gladly agreed to come and improve our Formula 1 effort. Finally for the aerodynamic division we are proud to announce Giuseppe Gabrielli who designed the Fiat G.55 which was one of the best fighters in the war. With this restructure Alfa confirms it is in F1 for the long term. Once again I will thank Nino, Juan, Maurice, Myron, Mauri, Paul and all the team mechanics and staff that put together this amazing effort which ended in glory for us. We also thank our fans for their support. Without all of them nothing would be possible! My sincere thank you!

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