F1RWRS -- 2014 Season

RonDenisDeletraz · Post by **RonDenisDeletraz** » 01 Dec 2011, 07:33

SuperAguri wrote:Technically the "Haikus are cool" is only 4 syllables as it is pronounced Hai-kus are cool, the s although does change the inflection is not another syllable as you do not stop.

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hopefully its fixed now

Post by **tommykl** » 01 Dec 2011, 18:09

Attention all users who have or have had drivers in the F1RWRS.

For the wiki, I would like you to post biographies of your drivers here (birth dates and places would be nice) for the driver's page to be a bit more complete. Also, we'd get a deeper review of his/her career before entering the series.

AndreaModa · Post by **AndreaModa** » 01 Dec 2011, 18:56

Good call Tommy, I'd also like to request team owners provide background on their teams too as there are some woefully short bios on some of the teams at the moment, often written by guys like me who have very little to go on. It would be nice to see both drivers and teams padded out a bit so we have a bit of history and backstory going!

Having said that the wiki is improving daily, and really starting to become quite concise now. We only have a handful of F1RWRS teams left who don't have bios at all, I believe it's the same case for the drivers, so filling in those last gaps would be superb!

AdrianSutil · Post by **AdrianSutil** » 01 Dec 2011, 19:00

I've pretty much done the Mitie and Valsattis pages so I'll crack on with Pchelintsev's later. And the junior teams bio too.

Nessafox · Post by **Nessafox** » 01 Dec 2011, 21:51

i'll post more on my teams and young drivers when they actually achieved something, also i'm thinking of joining my teams (i've got too many of them) towards only one team in the future, so when the 2014 season ends, you can expect some new profiles.
I'll put in some slight updates on R. Mignolet and W.Lamberigts, while writing a profile for Van Dycke will have to wait until the 1994 season is finished. D. Mignolet doesn't need updates.
Like said before, i don't have the necessairy knowledge to put everything in it (like results etc.) but i'll write the stories on the drivers and who-ever feels it needs some extra just has to do it themselves.

tristan1117 · Post by **tristan1117** » 03 Dec 2011, 00:23

On the subject of bios, Tristan Jung's is already on the wiki and it is complete. I will put Plaza's and Pratchett's up as quickly as possible. However, here is a quick summary:

Jesus Plaza was born in Mexico City, Mexico on August 14, 1985.
Series: Formula Ford, F3 Euroseries, F1RWRS

Collin Pratchett was born in Pasadena, California on July 25th, 1982.
Series: Formula Ford, Formula Renault, ARCA, Grand-Am, F1RWRS

AdrianSutil · Post by **AdrianSutil** » 03 Dec 2011, 01:13

Don't know if this has already been covered or not, but what about the idea of having your drivers on contracts? When it comes to driver swapping or promoting youth drivers, wouldn't it be better to have them officially signed? That way, if one team wants your (pay) driver, they can buy out the contract in exchange for some credits.

dr-baker · Post by **dr-baker** » 04 Dec 2011, 17:24

AdrianSutil wrote:Don't know if this has already been covered or not, but what about the idea of having your drivers on contracts? When it comes to driver swapping or promoting youth drivers, wouldn't it be better to have them officially signed? That way, if one team wants your (pay) driver, they can buy out the contract in exchange for some credits.

Wethat's kinda why I have already (hopefully) made it obvious that Ben Fleet is a Foxdale-affiliated driver...

TomWazzleshaw · Post by **TomWazzleshaw** » 05 Dec 2011, 07:08

Autosport wrote:F1RWRS Teams to hold meeting before Australian GP

Several F1RWRS teams, most notably MRT, HRT, Jones Racing and Kahama, are expected to hold a meeting before the Australian GP at Bathurst. The main issues that are allegedly on the agenda for this meeting are the impending Turbo ban for 2015 and the formal application by Turkey to host an F1RWRS Grand Prix for 2015 in place of the Mediterranean Grand Prix.

The thread has to be revived somehow.

Aerond · Post by **Aerond** » 05 Dec 2011, 07:56

Wizzie wrote:
The thread has to be revived somehow.

Don't worry, I'll be back by the end of this week and we'll happily continue

Klon · Post by **Klon** » 05 Dec 2011, 08:51

Tropico News Today wrote:Teams Against Tropico?

The team meeting that several foreign motorsports reported today will, according to El Presidente, not involve him or any other representant of our glorious F1RWRS effort since he was not invited despite several requests. When asked about the topic, he said that he will not accept this "discrimination of an honest motorsport effort" and will consider his options.

TomWazzleshaw · Post by **TomWazzleshaw** » 05 Dec 2011, 08:55

You could always gatecrash the meeting. We're too lazy to hire security for it anyway :lol:

SuperAguri · Post by **SuperAguri** » 05 Dec 2011, 12:55

Barii Mori wrote:What publication are you from? F1 Today? Never heard of you. You over there? Speed Racing? Who? You over there? Morris dancers weekly, aren't you in the wrong building? You madam, or is it Sir? It is quite hard to tell, oh it is sir, sorry the lipstick threw me off, hmm? You aren't wearing any? Anyway you sir? Autosport, oh you will have to do. Yes the Formula One Rejects Teams Incorporated or FORTI for short, will be meeting soon to discuss many things. As co-chariman of FORTI it is my job to make sure we have all the topics for discussion noted down and we will be talking about the upcoming Turbo ban, although Mr Jones certainly does not need a turbo on his mouth, hahaha, sorry I digress. We shall also be chatting about the large number of teams in prequalifying and what we can do to reduce this, as well as which team has the best tea making facilities, although I am quitely confident that this is a certain Japanese team based in the UK. Tropico? Ah, that is just El Presidente, who sounds like a brand of toothpaste, trying to drum up support for his team, get them column inches, all team bosses are invited, well most of them are anyway. What's that? Yes I am co-chairman of FORD too, the Formula One Rejects Drivers, so I am in FORTI FORD. Anyway, no more questions please gentleman.

AndreaModa · Post by **AndreaModa** » 05 Dec 2011, 18:41

Sammy Jones wrote:Who the bloody hell let Barii Mori be co-chairman of FORTI? That's that group pissed up the wall, we can forget about getting anything meaningful done in those meetings if he performs in them the way he performs on track. To be quite honest, I'm all for the turbo ban, Castrol Jones Racing have made the case that successful teams don't need turbo engines, they just need some common sense and a bit of thought. As for pre-qualifying, I think the problem previously is that we've had too many teams that were far too closely affiliated to each other, however this season that has been reduced significantly which is something I'm pleased to see. I would however like to see that process continued, currently if that were to happen we could free up at least another three spots on the grid for other teams, or to reduce the number that have to face pre-qualifying. Whilst it's great that the F1RWRS is enjoying its most popular and successful period to date, we must recognise that the series cannot be allowed to be saturated with teams and drivers when it should be more important to highlight quality, not quantity.

Whilst my opinion on the turbo issue is clear, what I'm essentially saying about pre-qualifying is that we should have a 1 team per member rule in my opinion. Obviously it's far more desirable than last year, but from what I can tell, SuperAguri is controlling both Kamaha and Sunshine, whilst sharing responsibility for ArrowTech with JeremyMcLean, who is also running Acuri Autosport. Also TMLW is running both HRT and GRM. So for arguments sake we could say that SuperAguri runs Kamaha, Jeremy runs ArrowTech, and TMLW runs HRT, leaving a further three spots which would free up the grid, allowing more members to participate more in the series, rather than having nothing to look forward to other than a crap pre-qualifying performance. It is a bit harsh, but fairer overall in my opinion.

DanielPT · Post by **DanielPT** » 05 Dec 2011, 18:43

AndreaModa wrote:
Sammy Jones wrote:Who the bloody hell let Barii Mori be co-chairman of FORTI? That's that group pissed up the wall, we can forget about getting anything meaningful done in those meetings if he performs in them the way he performs on track. To be quite honest, I'm all for the turbo ban, Castrol Jones Racing have made the case that successful teams don't need turbo engines, they just need some common sense and a bit of thought. As for pre-qualifying, I think the problem previously is that we've had too many teams that were far too closely affiliated to each other, however this season that has been reduced significantly which is something I'm pleased to see. I would however like to see that process continued, currently if that were to happen we could free up at least another three spots on the grid for other teams, or to reduce the number that have to face pre-qualifying. Whilst it's great that the F1RWRS is enjoying its most popular and successful period to date, we must recognise that the series cannot be allowed to be saturated with teams and drivers when it should be more important to highlight quality, not quantity.

Whilst my opinion on the turbo issue is clear, what I'm essentially saying about pre-qualifying is that we should have a 1 team per member rule in my opinion. Obviously it's far more desirable than last year, but from what I can tell, SuperAguri is controlling both Kamaha and Sunshine, whilst sharing responsibility for ArrowTech with JeremyMcLean, who is also running Acuri Autosport. Also TMLW is running both HRT and GRM. So for arguments sake we could say that SuperAguri runs Kamaha, Jeremy runs ArrowTech, and TMLW runs HRT, leaving a further three spots which would free up the grid, allowing more members to participate more in the series, rather than having nothing to look forward to other than a crap pre-qualifying performance. It is a bit harsh, but fairer overall in my opinion.

Well put! Besides, I am waiting in the wings to own a team!

AndreaModa · Post by **AndreaModa** » 05 Dec 2011, 19:42

Unrelated to the issues above, I need some clarification on teams, and their histories, for the wiki.

If you check out the list of F1RWRS teams page, you'll notice I've split up a number of teams that have gone through name changes over time. However, Klon recently pointed out in an edit of the page that surely Kahama and Kamaha, despite the (albeit subtle) name change and ownership change, are surely the same team, and should therefore share statistics. This could also be argued for other teams, particularly Gillet and its former guises of ENB and ECB, as well as Horizon and O'Lauchlan and Tropico and CR Motorsport.

Therefore I would be grateful if team owners could shed some light on where their teams stand and how they should be entered on that page. All I need is a simple confirmation on here about who is what, no editing of the wiki is needed as I can cover that.

So without further ado:

tommykl - Of your current team Gillet ENB, are it's previous guises as ENB and before that ECB considered separate teams, considering they underwent both ownership and name changes?

SuperAguri - Are Kamaha, and its previous incarnation Kahama, separate teams, considering they too underwent both name and ownership changes?

Wizzie - Were Horizon and prior to it O'Lauchlan different teams, considering one was created from the other for subsequent seasons and that they both share a wiki page?

I think the rest are fairly clear cut, I mentioned Tropico above, considering it's a fairly obvious change in ownership and name change, I think it can be considered separate to CR Motorsport.

Any others that people think are incorrect, either go ahead and edit it or let me know here

Post by **tommykl** » 05 Dec 2011, 19:47

ECB and ENB were exactly the same team, with Jacques Swaters simply allowing the team to use the ENB name from 2012 onwards. For 2013, Gillet bought the team, but the core squad remained the same and the change can be considered the same as when Renault changed ownership between 2009 and 2010. So they are considered the same team.

AndreaModa · Post by **AndreaModa** » 05 Dec 2011, 19:55

tommykl wrote:ECB and ENB were exactly the same team, with Jacques Swaters simply allowing the team to use the ENB name from 2012 onwards. For 2013, Gillet bought the team, but the core squad remained the same and the change can be considered the same as when Renault changed ownership between 2009 and 2010. So they are considered the same team.

Cool stuff that's perfect thanks, obviously the trouble with the wiki is because it isn't often explicit in it's meanings, it's often a little ambiguous and open to interpretation! I'll fix up that part of the page anyway!

Klon · Post by **Klon** » 05 Dec 2011, 20:10

Sammy Jones wrote:Castrol Jones Racing have made the case that successful teams don't need turbo engines, they just need some common sense and a bit of thought

Kay Lon wrote:He, Sammy Jones telling us something about common sense and rational behaviour? Stones and glass houses, really, stones and glass houses.

TomWazzleshaw · Post by **TomWazzleshaw** » 05 Dec 2011, 20:38

Horizon and O'Lauchlan are basically the same team.

AndreaModa · Post by **AndreaModa** » 05 Dec 2011, 20:42

Kay Lon wrote:He, Sammy Jones telling us something about common sense and rational behaviour? Stones and glass houses, really, stones and glass houses.

Sammy Jones wrote:Says the man who's had more sexual assault allegations against him than Gary Glitter!

dr-baker · Post by **dr-baker** » 05 Dec 2011, 20:57

I've just read the Wiki (rarely been on it!) and I want to thank whoever wrote the brilliant biography of the Foxdale Auto Racing Team. And all the details seem correct.

AndreaModa · Post by **AndreaModa** » 05 Dec 2011, 21:08

dr-baker wrote:I've just read the Wiki (rarely been on it!) and I want to thank whoever wrote the brilliant biography of the Foxdale Auto Racing Team. And all the details seem correct.

While we're on the subject, did you ever have any ideas for chassis names for the Foxdale cars? Couldn't remember whether you'd mentioned them somewhere previously or not! (And for that matter AMR and MAN?)

Klon · Post by **Klon** » 05 Dec 2011, 21:17

Sammy Jones wrote:Says the man who's had more sexual assault allegations against him than Gary Glitter!

Kay Lon wrote:Better to have sexual assault allegations and a second place in the constructor's championship than to have no sexual assault allegations and fourth in the constructor's championship, isn't it?

dr-baker · Post by **dr-baker** » 05 Dec 2011, 21:18

Don't think I ever came up with chassis designations, but will do soon if you want?

tristan1117 · Post by **tristan1117** » 05 Dec 2011, 22:08

Tristan Jung wrote:I am very interested in the Tropico seat, however, no sponsors will come within fifteen feet of me so I cannot be a pay driver. Sorry.

AndreaModa · Post by **AndreaModa** » 06 Dec 2011, 04:55

dr-baker wrote:Don't think I ever came up with chassis designations, but will do soon if you want?

It was just a little thing I noticed when I was writing the profile up, along with details on AMR and MAN, not only the chassis names, but also engine suppliers etc. It's not a big deal really, if you fancy coming up with some stuff I'd be more than happy to put it in the wiki for you

dr-baker · Post by **dr-baker** » 06 Dec 2011, 10:39

AndreaModa wrote:
dr-baker wrote:Don't think I ever came up with chassis designations, but will do soon if you want?

It was just a little thing I noticed when I was writing the profile up, along with details on AMR and MAN, not only the chassis names, but also engine suppliers etc. It's not a big deal really, if you fancy coming up with some stuff I'd be more than happy to put it in the wiki for you

AMR definitely had DeLorean and Peel as joint engine supplier and MAN was powered by MAN diesel truck engines. Chassis designations? Let's say in 2011, the AMR was the 007 and it was the 008 in 2012. (Just thought it would be funny, Anglo-Manx Racing sharing its initials with Aston Martin Racing...) and the two years of MAN chassis would be MAN-up and MAN-down. Thanks!

Post by **tommykl** » 06 Dec 2011, 17:01

tristan1117 wrote:
Tristan Jung wrote:I am very interested in the Tropico seat, however, no sponsors will come within fifteen feet of me so I cannot be a pay driver. Sorry.

Tristan Jung. He may not have sponsors, but he sure can bring money.

Klon · Post by **Klon** » 07 Dec 2011, 15:28

I am too lazy to formulate a proper press release for it, but I have good news for everybody - I have mastered the basics of Grand Prix 2 track editing and have begun working on a Tropico race track which may even be done in time for the 2015 season.

SuperAguri · Post by **SuperAguri** » 07 Dec 2011, 15:55

AndreaModa wrote:SuperAguri - Are Kamaha, and its previous incarnation Kahama, separate teams, considering they too underwent both name and ownership changes?

They are the same team i was just lazy and prefered the name Kamaha as it rolls better off the tongue then Kahama. Especially this season as we are Kamaha Yamaha :mrgreen:

Although I run Kamaha and Sunshine Motorsports, both came about as Kamaha was an original team and needed to be taken over and Kay Lon did not want to do it. Australian Minardi did not want to continue so I bought them out. I would like to keep both teams but at the end of the season get rid of one, rather sell one in a Ross Brawn type affair. Arrowtech is not owned by me, just Prince Falik having designs of being rich and famous. :mrgreen:

TomWazzleshaw · Post by **TomWazzleshaw** » 07 Dec 2011, 20:41

Klon wrote:I am too lazy to formulate a proper press release for it, but I have good news for everybody - I have mastered the basics of Grand Prix 2 track editing and have begun working on a Tropico race track which may even be done in time for the 2015 season.

Is it based on the design that I made?

Klon · Post by **Klon** » 07 Dec 2011, 21:15

Wizzie wrote:
Klon wrote:I am too lazy to formulate a proper press release for it, but I have good news for everybody - I have mastered the basics of Grand Prix 2 track editing and have begun working on a Tropico race track which may even be done in time for the 2015 season.

Is it based on the design that I made?

Not at all. :lol:

I rather chose an amusingly bland 1.7 kilometers layout based on the famous TI Aida Circuit. What you can give me, is the track name. Since the Tropico that the team is based on, has its focus on the Militarists, it is going to be named after the leader of said faction. But instead of making up some name myself, you can give me the name of your militarists leader.

TomWazzleshaw · Post by **TomWazzleshaw** » 07 Dec 2011, 22:00

Klon wrote:
Wizzie wrote:
Klon wrote:I am too lazy to formulate a proper press release for it, but I have good news for everybody - I have mastered the basics of Grand Prix 2 track editing and have begun working on a Tropico race track which may even be done in time for the 2015 season.

Is it based on the design that I made?

Not at all.
I rather chose an amusingly bland 1.7 kilometers layout based on the famous TI Aida Circuit. What you can give me, is the track name. Since the Tropico that the team is based on, has its focus on the Militarists, it is going to be named after the leader of said faction. But instead of making up some name myself, you can give me the name of your militarists leader.

But my design was epic with elevation and everything

I'll find the name of the leader of the militarist faction this afternoon

Klon · Post by **Klon** » 07 Dec 2011, 22:03

Wizzie wrote:But my design was epic with elevation and everything

That is why it couldn't work, partly because I have not mastered the art of elevation in the track editor but mostly because it was too good. We are talking about a big project rushed on Tropico of all places. It has no right to be good. :mrgreen:

TomWazzleshaw · Post by **TomWazzleshaw** » 08 Dec 2011, 07:31

Autosport wrote:Horizon to appear at Bud 500

At the end of last season, Horizon Motorsport was closed down and merged into MRT never to be seen again, apparently. However in a shock decision by Daniel Melrose, he has decided to revive the team both as an attempt to enter the American IndyCar series with Dean O'Lauchlan and Vidal Reyna-Sanchez, but also as an opportunity to get his two young guns in the F2RWRS, Mitchell Macklin and Marie Simon, a chance in F1RWRS machinery. "I have made this decision to give our guys some seat time in the F1RWRS and I believe that this is the best way to go about it." said Melrose at a press conference in his hometown of Sydney. "We have had O'Lauchlan on our books since the end of 2011 and this is our way of repaying his faith in us, and us in him as we believe he is one of the best oval racers in the world today. Vidal, while still relatively by racing standards, has talent and has a bright future in America although we don't have plans for him to run in the F1RWRS in the near future. Our two young drivers are great prospects for the future with Mitchell cleaning house in effectively every series he's raced in so far and Marie being one of France's best future stars, I felt that both of them deserve a shot in F1RWRS machinery before they get full time gigs in the future."

Basically, what this means is when the Bud 500 comes around at the end of the year MRT's lineup will look like this:

Virgin MRT:
N. Spencer
P. Nicolas
M. Macklin

Shell Horizon Motorsport:
D. O'Lauchlan
V. Reyna-Sanchez
M. Simon

Aerond · Post by **Aerond** » 11 Dec 2011, 17:29

Hi! Came back from recording on friday (one day before expected) as my dog was very, very ill. I planned to run PreQ for Bathurst today but He passed on and i'm not in the mood but i'll probably resume tomorrow.

dr-baker · Post by **dr-baker** » 11 Dec 2011, 17:33

Aerond wrote:Hi! Came back from recording on friday (one day before expected) as my dog was very, very ill. I planned to run PreQ for Bathurst today but He passed on and i'm not in the mood but i'll probably resume tomorrow.

Sorry to hear the news. RIP your dog.

Post by **tommykl** » 11 Dec 2011, 17:47

Aerond wrote:Hi! Came back from recording on friday (one day before expected) as my dog was very, very ill. I planned to run PreQ for Bathurst today but He passed on and i'm not in the mood but i'll probably resume tomorrow.

Pre-Q tomorrow =

Your dog's passing = :cry:

AdrianSutil · Post by **AdrianSutil** » 11 Dec 2011, 19:12

Aerond wrote:Hi! Came back from recording on friday (one day before expected) as my dog was very, very ill. I planned to run PreQ for Bathurst today but He passed on and i'm not in the mood but i'll probably resume tomorrow.

Sorry to hear the news. RIP doggy.