Grand Prix Rejects

Posted: **31 Aug 2012, 21:20**

pasta_maldonado wrote:
Stanley Johnson-Jackson wrote: Well, that was dissapointing. Ho hum, there's no point dwelling on the past, forward to the next race and a Bentley victory!!!

Is there any way to improve the Bentley?

A fusion with BRM in 1952! This will give you more entries (as i'm not planning on running them for 1952)

For the Dutch GP, Murray will remain at BRM
The Scuderia Belgio line-up will be Trintignant-Pilette and Garage Francorchamps will run local driver Jan Flinterman

the Masked Lapwing wrote:
Shadaza wrote:Harry Schell takes our first ever points finish of a non-Indy round, he nearly had 4th but we are happy our team is going from strength to strength.

Out of interest, are you still only running one car at Zandvoort? Because I want to put one of my drivers in an American Ferrari at Monza, for a full attack at home victory and beating the Alfa Romeos.

in that case, Garage Francorchamps can enter their second Ferrari in Monza! (ironically, ENB are also running semi-works Alfa's, this is going to cause trouble, as Trintignant is still in the championship battle)

Posted: **31 Aug 2012, 21:23**

This wrote:
pasta_maldonado wrote:
Stanley Johnson-Jackson wrote: Well, that was dissapointing. Ho hum, there's no point dwelling on the past, forward to the next race and a Bentley victory!!!

Is there any way to improve the Bentley?

A fusion with BRM in 1952! This will give you more entries (as i'm not planning on running them for 1952)

For the Dutch GP, Murray will remain at BRM
The Scuderia Belgio line-up will be Trintignant-Pilette and Garage Francorchamps will run local driver Jan Flinterman

Deal! We've already won reject of the year anyway, now we can win in twice in a row!

Posted: **31 Aug 2012, 21:34**

A source from Italian press or what it looks like):
After German GP, rumours that counted about Maserati buying Scuderia-Platé Varzi altogether and renaming 'Officine Alfieri Maserati' and ones where a British group could buy the team went big. Nobody from the team wants to answer about it.

Posted: **31 Aug 2012, 21:41**

the Masked Lapwing wrote:
Shadaza wrote:Harry Schell takes our first ever points finish of a non-Indy round, he nearly had 4th but we are happy our team is going from strength to strength.

Out of interest, are you still only running one car at Zandvoort? Because I want to put one of my drivers in an American Ferrari at Monza, for a full attack at home victory and beating the Alfa Romeos.

As much as we would like to support our Ferrari factory team, such a move would prove tricky. Ruttman is due his reward for being the lead Indy500 driver and to deny Villoresi a home race after all the hard work he has done would be really harsh.

Posted: **01 Sep 2012, 05:50**

This wrote:
pasta_maldonado wrote:
Stanley Johnson-Jackson wrote: Well, that was dissapointing. Ho hum, there's no point dwelling on the past, forward to the next race and a Bentley victory!!!

Is there any way to improve the Bentley?

A fusion with BRM in 1952! This will give you more entries (as i'm not planning on running them for 1952)

For the Dutch GP, Murray will remain at BRM
The Scuderia Belgio line-up will be Trintignant-Pilette and Garage Francorchamps will run local driver Jan Flinterman

the Masked Lapwing wrote:
Shadaza wrote:Harry Schell takes our first ever points finish of a non-Indy round, he nearly had 4th but we are happy our team is going from strength to strength.

Out of interest, are you still only running one car at Zandvoort? Because I want to put one of my drivers in an American Ferrari at Monza, for a full attack at home victory and beating the Alfa Romeos.

in that case, Garage Francorchamps can enter their second Ferrari in Monza! (ironically, ENB are also running semi-works Alfa's, this is going to cause trouble, as Trintignant is still in the championship battle)

So no change for the Netherlands. Also, a fusion will only give you more entries for the first race, and even in that case, it's only 3.

Regarding Monza, ENB do have the possibility of entering a fourth car...

Shadaza wrote:
the Masked Lapwing wrote:
Shadaza wrote:Harry Schell takes our first ever points finish of a non-Indy round, he nearly had 4th but we are happy our team is going from strength to strength.

Out of interest, are you still only running one car at Zandvoort? Because I want to put one of my drivers in an American Ferrari at Monza, for a full attack at home victory and beating the Alfa Romeos.

As much as we would like to support our Ferrari factory team, such a move would prove tricky. Ruttman is due his reward for being the lead Indy500 driver and to deny Villoresi a home race after all the hard work he has done would be really harsh.

Which makes the ENB offer interesting, though the fact that the team is also running Alfas may be a political problem...

Posted: **01 Sep 2012, 09:19**

Just to clear things up, Bentley only get more entries by being less shite?

Posted: **01 Sep 2012, 09:28**

Robert Manzon returns to ART-Gordini for Holland, alongside Bettenhausen and Sanesi. That leaves us two entries for the final race at Monza which will be for the two highest Gordini drivers in the championship (probably Manzon and Sanesi). Meanwhile:

Manzon signs a third year. Sanesi stays too.
Alexander Racing Team and Gordini Auto were pleased to announce contract extensions to both Frenchman Robert Manzon and Italian Consalvo Sanesi, as the team look to build on a competitive 1951 by taking a Championahip in 1952. "The car was great at the start of the year but it's slipped back a little since", said Manzon. "We will be giving our all for next year", remarked Sanesi. No news yet on Tony Bettenhausen's contract and no news either regarding the 4th car for Gordini after Yves' fatal crash at Silverstone.

Posted: **01 Sep 2012, 09:29**

pasta_maldonado wrote:Just to clear things up, Bentley only get more entries by being less shite?

If Jaguar-Aston Martin somehow managed that then so can you :lol:

Posted: **01 Sep 2012, 12:04**

pasta_maldonado wrote:Just to clear things up, Bentley only get more entries by being less shite?

Not only do you get more entries by being less shite, you also become even less shite

Posted: **01 Sep 2012, 17:19**

If it's OK I put Guy Mairesse for third car in Motorsport Bleu.

Posted: **01 Sep 2012, 17:34**

Bleu wrote:If it's OK I put Guy Mairesse for third car in Motorsport Bleu.

Accepted without trouble.

Posted: **08 Sep 2012, 09:36**

I'm not refusing any entries yet, but the following team has more entries than their permitted average per race for the Dutch Grand Prix:

-Scuderia Commesso (allowed 2 entries, have entered 3)

eurobrun, you can either cut one entry for the Dutch Grand Prix or enter just one car in Italy. The choice is yours.

Also, the following teams still have to announce drivers:

-Scuderia Ambrosiana
-Scuderia Platé-Varzi (second car)
-SuperAguri's privateers.

You have until Wednesday.

Posted: **08 Sep 2012, 09:39**

For Holland, Richardson will remain with Bentley and we will only run one car.

Posted: **08 Sep 2012, 13:25**

In this case Landi will miss the Dutch GP

Posted: **08 Sep 2012, 14:49**

Scuderia Platé-Varzi will field for the second card, if available, Georges Grignard

Posted: **08 Sep 2012, 15:03**

FantometteBR wrote:Scuderia Platé-Varzi will field for the second card, if available, Georges Grignard

He wasn't too bad for Albertini, so he's good.

Posted: **08 Sep 2012, 16:28**

tommykl wrote:
FantometteBR wrote:Scuderia Platé-Varzi will field for the second card, if available, Georges Grignard

He wasn't too bad for Albertini, so he's good.

Ok, so he is the one!

Posted: **09 Sep 2012, 17:53**

OK, so this leaves Moda92 and SuperAguri to make their decision. The deadline is Wednesday.

Posted: **09 Sep 2012, 18:06**

Since we missed Germany does this mean we get an extra entry for Zandvoort? If so then Bracco will be joined by Don Giovanni Lurani.

Posted: **09 Sep 2012, 18:34**

Moda92 wrote:Since we missed Germany does this mean we get an extra entry for Zandvoort? If so then Bracco will be joined by Don Giovanni Lurani.

You are indeed allowed an extra entry, and even two if you wish! Lurani is good enough for an entry, but barely. If you want another very present Ambrosiana driver at the time, Franco Cortese had more chances of getting the license, and you may enter all three for Italy if you want

Posted: **09 Sep 2012, 20:27**

Cortese it is for Zandvoort then. Then all three for Monza.

Oh and can I transfer this team to my new account (Samster)? Moda92 is the original that I forgot about when I made the new one.

Posted: **10 Sep 2012, 16:37**

Moda92 wrote:Cortese it is for Zandvoort then. Then all three for Monza.

Oh and can I transfer this team to my new account (Samster)? Moda92 is the original that I forgot about when I made the new one.

No problem

Posted: **10 Sep 2012, 16:45**

tommykl wrote:
Moda92 wrote:Cortese it is for Zandvoort then. Then all three for Monza.

Oh and can I transfer this team to my new account (Samster)? Moda92 is the original that I forgot about when I made the new one.

No problem

Great, will make things alot easier now that I won't have to keep switching accounts.

Posted: **15 Sep 2012, 05:58**

The entry list is now closed. Mike Hawthorn's entry has been rejected, and SuperAguri failed to nominate any privateers, which makes for 34 entrants. 12 cars will fail to qualify.

Posted: **16 Sep 2012, 06:05**

August 11th 1951, Dutch Grand Prix qualifying

The championship could be decided at this race, the second-last of the season. Coming to Zandvoort, Farina has a 5-point lead over de Graffenried, 7 over Sanesi, 8 over Parnell and 9 over Trintignant. However, any driver who has already scored points this season could still theoretically pull off an upset. These last two races will be tense. Farina will be looking to win in order to make up for his retirement at the Nürburgring. A win would put him in a nearly untouchable lead going to Italy.

At Zandvoort, the entry list would again be 34 cars long, but with 22 starters, 12 of them would have to go home on Saturday.

2. Alberto Ascari (Phoenix Racing Organisation)
4. José Froilan Gonzalez (Phoenix Racing Organisation)
6. David Hampshire (Hampshire Racing Alliance)
8. Hans von Stuck (Scuderia Platé-Varzi)
10. Dorino Serafini (Scuderia Ferrari)
12. Toulo de Graffenried (Scuderia Ferrari)
14. Peter Whitehead (Scuderia Ferrari)
16. Paul Pietsch (Jaguar - Aston Martin Racing)
18. Harry Schell (Ferrari America)
20. Maurice Trintignant (Scuderia Belgio)
22. André Pilette (Scuderia Belgio)
24. Tony Bettenhausen (Alexander Racing Team)
26. Robert Manzon (Alexander Racing Team)
28. Consalvo Sanesi (Alexander Racing Team)
30. Johnny Claes (Claes Racing Developments)
32. André Simon (Claes Racing Developments)
34. Giuseppe Farina (Alfa Romeo SpA)
36. Juan Manuel Fangio (Alfa Romeo SpA)
38. Stirling Moss (Alfa Romeo SpA)
40. Tony Gaze (Privateer)
42. Louis Rosier (Redman Racing Team)
44. Georges Grignard (Scuderia Platé-Varzi)
46. Giovanni Bracco (Scuderia Ambrosiana)
48. B. Bira (Motorsport Bleu)
50. Piero Taruffi (Team Metcalf GP)
52. Joe Kelly (All-Ireland Motorsport)
54. Jan Flinterman (Garage Francorchamps)
56. Louis Chiron (Scuderia Commesso)
58. Dries van der Lof (Scuderia Commesso)
60. Mauri Rose (Jaguar - Aston Martin Racing)
62. Rudi Fischer (Motorsport Bleu)
64. Guy Mairesse (Motorsport Bleu)
66. Geoff Richardson (Team Bentley)
68. Giovanni Lurani (Scuderia Ambrosiana)

After the German Grand Prix, which saw his team lose precious entries, Bentley team principal Stanley Johnson-Jackson had to resort to a single entry in the last two races. In the end, he reverted to a single car for Geoff Richardson.

After his brilliant performance in Germany, where he held the race lead for a few laps and managed to keep much faster cars behind him, eventually finishing third, Rudi Fischer was signed on a permanent contract by Motorsport Bleu, who expanded to two cars again, which then turned into three cars, as Guy Mairesse was hired to drive a third Talbot-Lago at Zandvoort.

The points finishes of Harry Schell and Tony Bettenhausen in Germany gave both their teams new strength, Schell because Ferrari America had finally scored points in a European round, and Bettenhausen because the team desperately needed a good result to boost their morale following the untimely death of Yves Giraud-Cabantous in the British Grand Prix. While Ferrari America still needed more to earn more entries, and will have to stick to a single car for Schell, while Robert Manzon seems to have recovered from his close friend's passing, and will return to the team for this race.

Scuderia Platé-Varzi was the center of attention after the German Grand Prix, as rumours that the de facto works Maserati team could be bought out by either Maserati or a British consortium were rife. Enrico Platé did not comment, and the team entered two cars again for the Dutch Grand Prix, for Hans Von Stuck and late signing Georges Grignard, who had already driven for Commesso and Albertini earlier this year.

At Ferrari, the rotation continued, and Whitehead drove the car while Parnell was out of a drive again, which put an end to his title hopes despite his splendid victory in Germany.

This race also marks the return of Redman Racing Team following Franco Rol's huge accident at the French Grand Prix. With Rol out of action for an unknown period of time, he had to be replaced, and Louis Rosier was hired, glad to have found a drive after being fired from Motorsport Bleu after 1950.

Scuderia Ambrosiana also returned, after saving up the money to enter more cars for the final two races. In the Netherlands, Giovanni Bracco will drive again, joined by team co-founder Giovanni Lurani. Other co-founder Franco Cortese will join the pair in Italy.

All-Ireland Motorsport is back for the second of three races. The entry was originally turned down, but when shown a photograph of the Reatherson, the organisers accepted the entry, by pure curiosity. It wasn't like they would qualify anyways.

With every race usually packed with local entrants, the Dutch Grand Prix was no exception, and this being the first of them, two drivers would make their débuts: Jan Flinterman, joining Trintignant and Pilette at ENB, and Dries van der Lof, who joins Louis Chiron at Scuderia Commesso. Technically, van der Lof is not making his début, as he already competed at Indianapolis for Scuderia Commesso earlier this year in preparation for this race, but it will be interesting to see how he fares on a circuit that also turns right.

Posted: **16 Sep 2012, 08:39**

Pasta, Bentley are already improving, slowly but surely. They had a big fat 0 performance points in Germany (since it was their first entry), and now it's 3. And that's not counting any points Richardson may bring (which can't be much).

Posted: **16 Sep 2012, 09:13**

Again, ranked according to performance, with 100 being average, and the lower the better.

1. Bracco - 87
2. Farina - 88
3. Richardson - 89
4. Taruffi - 93
5. Flinterman - 95
6. de Graffenried - 96
7. Hampshire - 97
=. Whitehead - 97
=. Moss - 97
=. Rose - 97
=. Lurani - 97
12. Fangio - 98
13. Claes - 99
14. Serafini - 100
=. Gaze - 100
16. Mairesse - 101
17. Pilette - 102
=. Manzon - 102
=. Sanesi - 102
=. Kelly - 102
21. van der Lof - 103
22. Chiron - 104
23. Ascari - 105
=. Rosier - 105
25. Von Stuck - 106
=. Pietsch - 106
27. Grignard - 107
=. Bira - 107
29. Trintignant - 108
=. Simon - 108
31. Schell - 109
32. Gonzalez - 114
33. Bettenhausen - 114
34. Fischer - 118

Apart from the painfully obvious fact that Farina will get pole (if kostas were in charge of Ferrari, we'd get a massive rant about favouritism), feel free to post predictions about qualifying standings.

Also, I'm still open to any changes you would like to see for the 1952 season. The circuit selection process also starts now, and you have to pick five circuits (instead of three like last season) that you want to see on the calendar. The tracks that get the most votes will be on the calendar.

Posted: **16 Sep 2012, 09:21**

Well, the HWNSNBM of the 1950's is going to DNQ :cry:

Posted: **16 Sep 2012, 09:45**

Stanley Johsnosn-Jackson wrote: My, I've a really splendid feeling about this whole affair

Richardson - 17th. I'm glad to see we're improving - slowly but surely! After all, it was the tortoise, not the hare, that won the race

Posted: **16 Sep 2012, 10:37**

Not that I'm complaining but how did Bracco end up with the best ranking?

Posted: **16 Sep 2012, 10:56**

Sanesi and Manzon around 10th and Bettenhausen will either DNQ or scrape into the race. As for tracks for 1952, my five are: Silverstone, Monaco, Reims, Spa and Monza

Posted: **16 Sep 2012, 12:15**

I've got a feeling Kelly's knocked out...

Posted: **16 Sep 2012, 12:52**

I am not having much of a good feeling, but let's hope it can be good for us

Posted: **16 Sep 2012, 17:01**

eurobrun wrote:Well, the HWNSNBM of the 1950's is going to DNQ

Don't be so sure, the car itself is quite good, and I can see a few cars van der Lof could get ahead of.

Samster wrote:Not that I'm complaining but how did Bracco end up with the best ranking?

He had the best luck with the dice, that's all. He definitely won't be near the front in the end, but he has a decent shot at qualifying for the race.

WaffleCat wrote:I've got a feeling Kelly's knocked out...

Seeing as, with everything put together, your car is the worse combo on the grid, with only the Maserati engine being any good, he probably is :lol:

And here is the official count for the circuits for 1952 so far:

Monza (Italian Grand Prix) - 8
Spa-Francorchamps (Belgian Grand Prix) - 7
Monaco (Monaco Grand Prix) - 5
Silverstone (British Grand Prix) - 5
Nürburgring (German Grand Prix) - 5
Rouen-les-Essarts (French Grand Prix) - 4
Donington (British Grand Prix) - 3
Leyburn (Australian Grand Prix) - 3
Sebring (United States Grand Prix) - 3
Zandvoort (Dutch Grand Prix) - 3
Reims-Gueux (French Grand Prix) - 2
Bremgarten (Swiss Grand Prix) - 2
Indianapolis (Indianapolis 500) - 1
Le Mans (French Grand Prix) - 1
Brno (Czechoslovakian Grand Prix) - 1
Eläintarha (Finnish Grand Prix) - 1
Pescara (Italian Grand Prix) - 1
Pedralbes (Spanish Grand Prix) - 1
Oulton Park (British Grand Prix) - 1
Chimay (Belgian Grand Prix) - 1

Tracks in bold are on the provisional calendar. Circuits in italics would have to go through a secondary vote. Others do not have enough votes yet. There will be between 8 and 10 circuits on the calendar.

Posted: **16 Sep 2012, 17:20**

My list of circuits for 1952

Silverstone
Nurburgring
Monza
Spa Francochamps
Monaco

Posted: **16 Sep 2012, 17:23**

Already time to vote for circuits? Then let's go:

Indianapolis
Leyburn (an airport track in Australia used for the 1949 Australian Grand Prix)
Monaco
Monza
Spa-Francorchamps

Posted: **16 Sep 2012, 17:25**

Bentley vote that Idianapolis is knocked off the clalendar and a race at Sebring instated in it's place. We would like to vote for the following tracks:

Sebring
Roeun-les-Essarts
Donington
Nurburgring
Monza

Posted: **16 Sep 2012, 17:29**

pasta_maldonado wrote:Bentley vote that Idianapolis is knocked off the clalendar and a race at Sebring instated in it's place. We would also like the following calendar:

American GP - Sebring
Dutch Grand Prix - Zandvoort
French GP - Roeun-les-Essarts
Monaco GP - Monaco
British GP - Donington
Belgian GP - Spa
East German GP - Nurburgring
Italian GP - Monza
West German GP - AVUS

You can only pick five tracks.

Posted: **16 Sep 2012, 17:36**

tommykl wrote:
pasta_maldonado wrote:Bentley vote that Idianapolis is knocked off the clalendar and a race at Sebring instated in it's place. We would also like the following calendar:

American GP - Sebring
Dutch Grand Prix - Zandvoort
French GP - Roeun-les-Essarts
Monaco GP - Monaco
British GP - Donington
Belgian GP - Spa
East German GP - Nurburgring
Italian GP - Monza
West German GP - AVUS

You can only pick five tracks.

Oops, edited

Posted: **16 Sep 2012, 19:45**

Why only five races? Seven would be much better...

Anyways,

My tracks are:
Monza
Spa-Francorchamps
Donington
Bremgarten (Switzerland)
Le Mans (The full track, not the bike version)

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