Unusual F1 Stats

watka · Post by **watka** » 02 Oct 2014, 22:38

James Hunt - the only World Champion to have been top of the championship for only one race in their entire career.

Post by **Bobby Doorknobs** » 02 Oct 2014, 22:41

watka wrote:James Hunt - the only World Champion to have been top of the championship for only one race in their entire career.

Along with John Surtees

good_Ralf · Post by **good_Ralf** » 03 Oct 2014, 09:54

I'm sure there are a lot of other drivers that beat this stat, but I'm pretty sure Lewis Hamilton has suffered a massive amount of punctures in races his career. Whether it be his fault or not, he always gets them. The (HF) means it was his fault.

Europe 2007, Turkey 2007, Monaco 2008 (HF), Hungary 2008, Germany 2009 (HF), Spain 2010, Japan 2011, Germany 2012, Britain 2013, Japan 2013, Brazil 2013 (HF), Belgium 2014 (HF). That is 12 races. Of course some of those punctures could be down to his driving style and some are down to collisions.

RonDenisDeletraz · Post by **RonDenisDeletraz** » 04 Oct 2014, 07:53

good_Ralf wrote:I'm sure there are a lot of other drivers that beat this stat, but I'm pretty sure Lewis Hamilton has suffered a massive amount of punctures in races his career. Whether it be his fault or not, he always gets them. The (HF) means it was his fault.

Europe 2007, Turkey 2007, Monaco 2008 (HF), Hungary 2008, Germany 2009 (HF), Spain 2010, Japan 2011, Germany 2012, Britain 2013, Japan 2013, Brazil 2013 (HF), Belgium 2014 (HF). That is 12 races. Of course some of those punctures could be down to his driving style and some are down to collisions.

That explains China 2007 more, Lewis just has bad luck with tyres

f1andrea · Post by **f1andrea** » 06 Oct 2014, 20:02

andrew wrote:In the 2006 Australian gp the safety car led the most laps of the race, even more than race winner Alonso

also in 2011 Canadian GP: Button took the lead at the last lap

f1andrea · Post by **f1andrea** » 11 Oct 2014, 20:06

I suppose that last time before 2014 Russian GP that an F1 team enter a GP with one car was 1994 Monaco GP

andrew · Post by **andrew** » 11 Oct 2014, 21:33

f1andrea wrote:
andrew wrote:In the 2006 Australian gp the safety car led the most laps of the race, even more than race winner Alonso

also in 2011 Canadian GP: Button took the lead at the last lap

True, but in the australia race Alonso dominated, the sc lead the most laps of anyone. In Canada Vettel led the most laps at 68 (massa apparntly led one lap)

Post by **Bobby Doorknobs** » 12 Oct 2014, 01:47

f1andrea wrote:I suppose that last time before 2014 Russian GP that an F1 team enter a GP with one car was 1994 Monaco GP

Actually, Sauber entered a single car in Spain after Wendlinger's accident in Monaco.

Bleu · Post by **Bleu** » 12 Oct 2014, 09:59

Simtek wrote:
f1andrea wrote:I suppose that last time before 2014 Russian GP that an F1 team enter a GP with one car was 1994 Monaco GP

Actually, Sauber entered a single car in Spain after Wendlinger's accident in Monaco.

Simtek was with one car in Canada as well. It might have also been due to not having enough cars as one was destroyed in Imola and one in Barcelona.

madmark1974 · Post by **madmark1974** » 13 Oct 2014, 10:24

If Hamilton wins at either Austin or Interlagos he can now afford to finish 2nd in the other one AND Abu Dhabi, even if Rosberg wins them both. Or, to put it another way :

With a 17 point lead, if Mercs get one-twos in the next two races with a win apiece the gap would stay the same, and Rosberg would only be able to gain 14 points if Hamilton finished 2nd at Yas Marina.

The only way for Lewis to win the title outright before Abu Dhabi would be for Rosberg to no-score in one of the other races and Lewis wins, taking the gap to 42 points, then he'd need to win the other and
Rosberg finishes lower than 3rd - if Nico got 2nd he could win the title by 1 point with a win at Abu Dhabi and a Hamilton non-finish.

Rosberg now cannot win the title outright before Abu Dhabi, even with 2 wins and 2 DNFs for Lewis, his lead would only be 33 points.

Hope I've got my maths right!

Dj_bereta · Post by **Dj_bereta** » 15 Oct 2014, 20:32

If Alonso keeps this points gap over Raikkonen, will be the 4th season in a row that the Spaniard finishes the drivers championship with more than the double of the points of his team mate.

Post by **Nuppiz** » 15 Oct 2014, 20:35

Speaking of Alonso, an unusual stat from him that has been mentioned a few times by the Finnish F1 broadcasting team is that he currently holds the record of starting races from 5th on the grid.

AxelP800 · Post by **AxelP800** » 16 Oct 2014, 01:18

Nuppiz wrote:Speaking of Alonso, an unusual stat from him that has been mentioned a few times by the Finnish F1 broadcasting team is that he currently holds the record of starting races from 5th on the grid.

Which according to statsf1, the mount is 35 and counting. SkySports commentarry team also mentioned it on the pre-race show

Dj_bereta · Post by **Dj_bereta** » 01 Nov 2014, 21:01

If Andre Lotterer doesn't return to F1, his F1 career is going to be one of shortest of recent F1 era (shortest since Sarrazin?).

good_Ralf · Post by **good_Ralf** » 01 Nov 2014, 21:03

Dj_bereta wrote:If Andre Lotterer doesn't return to F1, his F1 career is going to be one of shortest of recent F1 era (shortest since Sarrazin?).

Ahem... Wickelhock?

f1andrea · Post by **f1andrea** » 02 Nov 2014, 11:48

good_Ralf wrote:
Dj_bereta wrote:If Andre Lotterer doesn't return to F1, his F1 career is going to be one of shortest of recent F1 era (shortest since Sarrazin?).

Ahem... Wickelhock?

shorter than Sarrazin and Winkelhock for sure! Is probably the second or third shortest carrer in F1 history. The shortest carreer ever is of Marco Apicella

Post by **Miguel98** » 02 Nov 2014, 11:54

f1andrea wrote:
good_Ralf wrote:
Dj_bereta wrote:If Andre Lotterer doesn't return to F1, his F1 career is going to be one of shortest of recent F1 era (shortest since Sarrazin?).

Ahem... Wickelhock?

shorter than Sarrazin and Winkelhock for sure! Is probably the second or third shortest carrer in F1 history. The shortest carreer ever is of Marco Apicella

Winckelhock lasted 13 laps
Sarrazin lasted 31.

Not quite sure how Lotterer's 1 lap around Spa is shorter than those two.

noiceinmydrink · Post by **noiceinmydrink** » 02 Nov 2014, 12:26

Miguel98 wrote:Winckelhock lasted 13 laps
Sarrazin lasted 31.

Not quite sure how Lotterer's 1 lap around Spa is shorter than those two.

wait

wat

Post by **Frogfoot9013** » 02 Nov 2014, 12:29

Miguel98 wrote:Not quite sure how Lotterer's 1 lap around Spa is shorter than those two.

I'm pretty sure 1 lap around Spa is considerably shorter than 13 of the Nurburgring or 31 of Interlagos.

Post by **Miguel98** » 02 Nov 2014, 12:38

I wanted to say longer, not shorter. Way to go me. :lol:

Post by **Frogfoot9013** » 02 Nov 2014, 12:39

Miguel98 wrote:I wanted to say longer, not shorter. Way to go me.

Finally! Someone who makes me look intelligent!

noiceinmydrink · Post by **noiceinmydrink** » 02 Nov 2014, 12:51

Miguel98 wrote:I wanted to say longer, not shorter. Way to go me.

ohh okay, I initially thought I had misread your post. YOU CONFUSED ME :cry:

Meatwad · Post by **Meatwad** » 02 Nov 2014, 22:30

In the 2014 United States Grand Prix, Maldonado became the first driver to score a point driving car number 13.

Post by **Frogfoot9013** » 02 Nov 2014, 22:39

Meatwad wrote:In the 2014 United States Grand Prix, Maldonado became the first driver to score a point driving car number 13.

Finally a car with my lucky number has scored!!!!!!! :mrgreen:

TheFlyingCaterham · Post by **TheFlyingCaterham** » 03 Nov 2014, 02:13

Frogfoot9013 wrote:
Meatwad wrote:In the 2014 United States Grand Prix, Maldonado became the first driver to score a point driving car number 13.

Finally a car with my lucky number has scored!!!!!!!

Seconded. I feel so happy now

Dj_bereta · Post by **Dj_bereta** » 10 Nov 2014, 05:25

There are some interesting stats (some of them already spoken in this topic) about this season. Some of them could be confirmed in the next race, depending of the results:

Alonso:
-7th year in-a-row finishing ahead of his team mate in the championship.
-If Alonso fails to win the next race, this is going to be his first winless season since 2009.

Button:
-2nd year in-a-row finishing ahead of his team mate in the championship.

Hamilton:
-If he gets the title: Biggest gap between titles since Niki Lauda (1977-1984) and first British driver to win a second title since Jackie Stewart.

Massa:
-5th year in-a-row finishing behind of his team mate.

Raikkonen:
-If Kimi fails to win the next race, this is going to be his first winless season since 2006.
-If Kimi fails to finish in the top 10 in the drivers championship,this is going to be his worst position in the championship of his career.

Rosberg:
-If he loses the title: First driver to qualify better than his team mate and loses the title to him since Rubens Barrichello (2009).

Vettel:
-First reigning world champion since Jenson Button (2010) to finish behind of his team mate in the drivers championship.
-First reigning world champion since Jenson Button (2010) to win less races than his team mate.
-If Vettel fails to get the Pole Position, he is going to be the first reigning world champion to fail to get a single Pole Position since Jenson Button (2010).
-If Vettel fails to win the next race, he is going to be the first reigning world champion to fail to win a race since Jacques Villeneuve (1998).
-If Vettel fails to finish the championship in the top 6, this is going to be the worst championship position for a reigning world champion since Damon Hill (1997).
-I'm not sure about this one, but depending of the results of the next race, Vettel could be the reigning world champion with most points behind of his team mate in all F1 story.

Ferrari:
-If Alonso or Kimi fail to win the next race, this is going to be the first winless season for Ferrari since 1993.
-If Alonso fails to keep in the top 5, this is going to be the first season since 2009 without a Ferrari driver in the top 5 in the drivers championship.

Lotus/Renault/Benetton/etc:
-If the team don't score a podium, this is going to be the first season without a single podium since 2002 season.

Sauber:
-If Sauber fails to score a single point, this is going to be the first season of the story of the Swiss team without scoring points.

General:
-First season since 1992 with two teams quitting before the end of the season.
-First season since 2005 with only 18 cars in at least one race.

Post by **Bobby Doorknobs** » 10 Nov 2014, 08:35

Dj_bereta wrote:-First season since ???? with two teams quitting before the end of the season.

1992. Brabham and Andrea Moda.

Post by **Nuppiz** » 10 Nov 2014, 15:04

Simtek wrote:
Dj_bereta wrote:-First season since ???? with two teams quitting before the end of the season.

1992. Brabham and Andrea Moda.

+ Fondmetal.

Ducktanian · Post by **Ducktanian** » 10 Nov 2014, 15:53

There was 1995, with Simtek and Larrousse.
Larrousse withdraw from F1 after the 2nd race in 1995, but they never actually turned up to those 2 races so that probably doesn't count.

andrew · Post by **andrew** » 10 Nov 2014, 21:42

Jean Eric vergne is the most successful Torro Rosso driver to not get moved up.

Dj_bereta · Post by **Dj_bereta** » 11 Nov 2014, 16:16

andrew wrote:Jean Eric vergne is the most successful Torro Rosso driver to not get moved up.

He also was the unique Toro Rosso driver which saw his team-mates being promoted while being ahead of them in the WDC.

UncreativeUsername37 · Post by **UncreativeUsername37** » 23 Nov 2014, 03:47

Rounds of Fate
The round that best represented the top of the table at the end of the season. So the championship winner won, the runner-up came second, and so on until no races remain.

1950: All races which Farina won Fangio retired in. He did get the FL in Italy, though.
1951: France. Fangio first, Ascari second.
1952: France. Ascari-Farina-Taruffi podium.
1953: UK. Ascari-Fangio-Farina podium.
1954: Germany (sort of). Fangio wins, Gonzalez and Hawthorn share second, and overall 4th Trintignant is third.
1955: Belgium and Netherlands, although Fangio got the FL in Belgium.
1956: Germany, Fangio-Moss 1-2.
1957: Moss did not finish second in any of the races Fangio won.
1958: France, Hawthorn's only win of the season. Also, Moss came second.
1959: Monaco, Brabham and Brooks 1-2.
1960: Belgium and Portugal tied on 2.
1961: Belgium, Hill and von Trips.
1962: No second places for Clark at the Hill wins.
1963: No second places for Hill at the Clark wins.
1964: Germany, Surtees-Hill 1-2.
1965: UK and Germany both on 2.
1966: Brabham-Surtees-Rindt podium at Germany.
1967: Hulme-Brabham 1-2 at Germany.
1968: No Stewart 2nds at Hill wins.
1969: UK: first four drivers in the same positions
1970: Germany, Rindt-Ickx 1-2.
1971: Monaco, UK, and Canada all tied on 2.
1972: UK, Fittipaldi-Stewart 1-2.
1973: Monaco: first six drivers in same positions
1974: Brazil and Canada tied on 2.
1975: Monaco and US tied on 2.
1976: Hunt-Lauda 1-2 at Spain.
1977: South Africa and Germany tied on 2.
1978: Belgium, Andretti-Peterson-Reutemann podium.
1979: Italy, Scheckter-Villeneuve 1-2, at the only retrospective example of Team Orders Ruining Everything.
1980: UK, Jones-Piquet-Reutemann podium.
1981: Argentina, Piquet and Reutemann.
1982: Switzerland was, as you already know, Rosberg's only win.
1983: Europe, Piquet and Prost.
1984: South Africa, Lauda and Prost.
1985: Brazil, Monaco, and UK all on 2.
1986: No 2nds for Mansell at Prost wins.
1987: No 2nds for Mansell at Piquet wins.
1988: Senna, Prost, and Berger all in order at Germany. One of only two times they shared the podium that year.
1989: No Senna 2nds at Prost wins. All retirements.
1990: Belgium and Italy both on 2.
1991: Hungary: top four in appropriate positions.
1992: Mexico and Brazil both with the right podium.
1993: South Africa and Spain both on 2.
1994: Schumacher-Hill-Berger at France.
1995: Schumacher-Hill-Coulthard at France.
1996: Australia, Argentina, Canada, and France on 2.
1997: No Villeneuve-Schumacher 1-2s either way. Weird.
1998: Luxembourg, top 4.
1999: Irvine never came 2nd at Hakkinen's wins. Not weird.
2000: San Marino, Europe, and Japan had the correct top 4.
2001: Australia with the correct podium.
2002: Austria had the same top 4.
2003: San Marino, Austria, and USA all had the right 1-2.
2004: Bahrain, Europe, and Canada had the correct podium.
2005: France with 3.
2006: Bahrain, Spain, UK, and Canada all on 2.
2007: No Raikkonen 1st/Hamilton 2nds.
2008: China had the right podium.
2009: Only Bahrain had Button 1st and Vettel 2nd.
2010: Nope.
2011: Top 5 in order at Singapore.
2012: India was the only Vettel-Alonso 1-2.
2013: Canada, Belgium, Italy, and Singapore had the right 1-2.

Abu Dhabi of course has an unfair advantage over the others to be the representative race, so I'll do one with double points and one with single points. Or maybe it'll just be the same. And no, I couldn't wait all of twelve more hours in a year.

good_Ralf · Post by **good_Ralf** » 23 Nov 2014, 15:07

Mercedes break the 26-year record for most wins in a season (16).

Dj_bereta · Post by **Dj_bereta** » 23 Nov 2014, 15:13

good_Ralf wrote:Mercedes break the 26-year record for most wins in a season (16).

Thanks Jean-Louis Schlesser for this.

Waris · Post by **Waris** » 23 Nov 2014, 19:22

I'm pretty sure Lewis Hamilton is the first person to win a title with two different constructors since Schumacher?

Dj_bereta · Post by **Dj_bereta** » 23 Nov 2014, 19:30

Waris wrote:I'm pretty sure Lewis Hamilton is the first person to win a title with two different constructors since Schumacher?

Yes and I think he is the first driver of the F1 history to win a title with two different constructors, but with the same engine (mercedes).

WeirdKerr · Post by **WeirdKerr** » 23 Nov 2014, 19:35

Dj_bereta wrote:
good_Ralf wrote:Mercedes break the 26-year record for most wins in a season (16).

Thanks Jean-Louis Schlesser for this.

Who at the time was employed by Mercedes (in sports cars) and the team he drove for in that race now use Mercedes engines

Nessafox · Post by **Nessafox** » 23 Nov 2014, 19:39

Dj_bereta wrote:
Waris wrote:I'm pretty sure Lewis Hamilton is the first person to win a title with two different constructors since Schumacher?

Yes and I think he is the first driver of the F1 history to win a title with two different constructors, but with the same engine (mercedes).

Nope, Jacky Stewart and Emerson Fittipaldi did it.

Backmarker · Post by **Backmarker** » 24 Nov 2014, 00:06

Is three the most number of teams a driver has started grands prix for in a season?

Louis Rosier, 1950
Ecurie Rosier, Talbot-Darracq, Charles Pozzi

Stirling Moss, 1952
HW Motors, ERA, Connaught

Alberto Ascari, 1954
Maserati, Ferrari, Lancia

Luigi Villoresi, 1956
Scuderia Centro Sud, Luigi Piotti, Maserati

Roy Salvadori, 1957
BRM, Vanwall, Cooper

Maurice Trintignant, 1958
Rob Walker, Scuderia Centro Sud, BRM

Maurice Trintignant, 1960
Rob Walker, Scuderia Centro Sud, David Brown

Jacky Ickx, 1973
Ferrari, McLaren, Williams

Johnny Herbert, 1994
Lotus, Ligier, Benetton

gnrpoison · Post by **gnrpoison** » 24 Nov 2014, 03:09

I have decided to add all complete entrants into formula one since 1980 (renamed teams will be added alongside the original team if it entered in this time period e.g. 2002 - 2010 Renault, 2011 onwards Lotus will be entered as Toleman from 1981 for example)

New Teams/Constructors entering the sport 2001 - 2014 (teams that participated in 2014 season in bold)
Lotus Racing/Team Lotus/Caterham 2010 - 2014 (probably unlikely to be in 2015)
Manor Racing/Virgin/Marussia 2010 - Russian Grand Prix 2014
Campos/Hispania/HRT 2010 - 2012
Super Aguri 2006 - 2008
Toyota 2002 - 2009

New Teams/Constructors entering the sport 1991 - 2000
Stewart GP/Jaguar/Red Bull 1997 - (Renamed Jaguar for 2000, renamed Red Bull in 2005)
Mastercard Lola - Australian GP - Brazilian GP 1997
Forti/ Shannon 1995 - 1996
Simtek 1994 - Monaco 1995
Pacific 1994 - 1995
Sauber/BMW Sauber/Sauber 1993 -(renamed BMW Sauber 2006 - 2009)
Andrea Moda South African GP 1992 - Belgian Grand Prix 1992
Jordan/Midland/Spyker/Force India 1991 - (Renamed in 2006, 2007 and 2008)
Modena Lamborghini 1991 - 1991

New Teams/Constructors Entering the Sport 1980 - 1990
Life - 1990 - 1990
Onyx 1989 - Hungarian GP 1990
BMS Scuderia Italia 1988 - 1993
Rial - 1988 - 1989
EuroBrun 1988 - Spanish GP 1990
Coloni - Italian GP 1987 - 1991
Larrousse/Venturi San Marino GP 1987 - 1994
Leyton House March (I feel is technically a seperate entrant to the 1970s march team) 1987 - 1992
AGS Italian GP 1986 - Spanish GP 1991
Zakspeed 1985 - 1989
Minardi/Toro Rosso Brazilian GP 1985 - (Renamed in 2006)
Beatrice Haas Lola Italian GP 1985 - 1986
Spirit Great Britain 1983 - San Marino 1985
Toleman/Benetton/Renault/Lotus San Marino 1981 - (Renamed in 1986,2002 and 2012)
Osella/Fondmetal 1980 - Italian GP 1992

Current Teams Existing before this period
Ferrari 1950 Monaco GP -
McLaren 1966 Monaco GP -
Williams - 1977 Spanish GP
Tyrrell/BAR/Honda/Brawn/Mercedes 1968 South African GP (Renamed 1999/2006/2009/2010)

So a total of 15 New Entries entered between 1980 and 1990
A total of 9 New Entries between 1991 - 2000
A total of 5 new entries between 2001 - 2010

I wonder how long Haas and Forza Rosso will last. Funny thing is if USF1 had started a race we would have had the same number of new entries from 1991 - 2010 as the whole of the 1980s. The 1960s and 1970s comparisons would have been interesting but might have been a bit difficult of many used customer cars and so may not have been classed as constructors/teams in the definition here.