The HRT thread

Jeroen Krautmeir · Post by **Jeroen Krautmeir** » 02 May 2011, 11:12

golic_2004 wrote:http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/91069

HRT aims to catch Virgin in Turkey

Well good luck! I sure don't think it's impossible, but then again, I don't think the chances of it happening are high. Hope it happens though.

golic_2004 · Post by **golic_2004** » 02 May 2011, 11:16

Jeroen Krautmeir wrote:
golic_2004 wrote:http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/91069

HRT aims to catch Virgin in Turkey

Well good luck! I sure don't think it's impossible, but then again, I don't think the chances of it happening are high. Hope it happens though.

I doubt it will happen there but I cannot doubt it will happen sometime this year if improvements are made on the cars.

DanielPT · Post by **DanielPT** » 02 May 2011, 11:18

golic_2004 wrote:
Jeroen Krautmeir wrote:
golic_2004 wrote:http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/91069

HRT aims to catch Virgin in Turkey

Well good luck! I sure don't think it's impossible, but then again, I don't think the chances of it happening are high. Hope it happens though.

I doubt it will happen there but I cannot doubt it will happen sometime this year if improvements are made on the cars.

If Virgin doesn't sort out their CFD approach, HRT catching them is a distinct possibility. It might hurt Virgin more than it helps HRT though...

Mister Fungus · Post by **Mister Fungus** » 02 May 2011, 12:58

Virgin have a big upgrade announced for Turkey don't they? Doubt that HRT will be able to catch up with them in that case.

Peter · Post by **Peter** » 03 May 2011, 03:06

Mister Fungus wrote:Virgin have a big upgrade announced for Turkey don't they? Doubt that HRT will be able to catch up with them in that case.

Well HRT is coming with an equally big upgrade 1 or 2 races after Turkey, so, we'll see.

GroupLotusRenault · Post by **GroupLotusRenault** » 03 May 2011, 09:42

But arent all the teams being upgades to Turkey? I dont it will affect the gird and HRT too much

golic_2004 · Post by **golic_2004** » 03 May 2011, 11:27

We shall see this weekend whether the upgrades will be effective or not.

DanielPT · Post by **DanielPT** » 03 May 2011, 11:56

GroupLotusRenault wrote:But arent all the teams being upgades to Turkey? I dont it will affect the gird and HRT too much

Yes, but it is easier to make up ground when you are 4 to 5 seconds of the pace. So when these small teams bring updates their expectations are somewhat real because if the data from the upgrade says they will gain 2 sec and McLaren or Red Bull, who also bring updates, only make .5 each time (for instance), it is likely they will really improve.

Faustus · Post by **Faustus** » 03 May 2011, 15:41

DanielPT wrote:
GroupLotusRenault wrote:But arent all the teams being upgades to Turkey? I dont it will affect the gird and HRT too much

Yes, but it is easier to make up ground when you are 4 to 5 seconds of the pace. So when these small teams bring updates their expectations are somewhat real because if the data from the upgrade says they will gain 2 sec and McLaren or Red Bull, who also bring updates, only make .5 each time (for instance), it is likely they will really improve.

Absolutely right. See Law of Diminishing Returns.
The upgrades that every team is bringing to Turkey shouldn't change the order too much, although occasionally someone manages a massive update that drastically improves their car and completely upsets the natural order of things. No matter how much better the updated HRT is (and I for one hope they have improved A LOT), the realistic target can only be to get closer and / or beat Virgin.

Post by **mario** » 03 May 2011, 16:54

Faustus wrote:
DanielPT wrote:
GroupLotusRenault wrote:But arent all the teams being upgades to Turkey? I dont it will affect the gird and HRT too much

Yes, but it is easier to make up ground when you are 4 to 5 seconds of the pace. So when these small teams bring updates their expectations are somewhat real because if the data from the upgrade says they will gain 2 sec and McLaren or Red Bull, who also bring updates, only make .5 each time (for instance), it is likely they will really improve.

Absolutely right. See Law of Diminishing Returns.
The upgrades that every team is bringing to Turkey shouldn't change the order too much, although occasionally someone manages a massive update that drastically improves their car and completely upsets the natural order of things. No matter how much better the updated HRT is (and I for one hope they have improved A LOT), the realistic target can only be to get closer and / or beat Virgin.

As far as I can tell, the upgrades for Turkey (that have been announced) are as follows:
Ferrari - modifications to the front and rear wings, along with the brake ducts, although Nikolas Tombazis has suggested that the modifications will not transform the car (and accepted criticism that the current iteration of the F150th is too conservative).
McLaren -small aerodynamic upgrades and changes to their tyre management along with potential modifications to their engine mapping designed to increase exhaust gas flow through the diffuser (mainly for qualifying benefit, it seems).
Red Bull - nothing definite, but hints that they are upgrading their KERS, mainly to improve reliability.
Mercedes - nothing announced yet, seemingly mostly concentrating on optimising their set up strategies with the update package due for Barcelona.
Renault - "new front wing, nose developments, air intake revisions and floor tweaks", as Renault put it.
Sauber - nothing new expected for the race, development parts to be trialled out in Free Practise for possible use later in the year.
Toro Rosso - no significant update due until Monaco.
Force India - aerodynamic updates are apparently in development, but nothing definitely announced for Turkey.
Williams - major update, including a new diffuser and floor package, front and rear wings and revised brake ducts, which are supposed to be the first of a series of updates for the European races.
Team Lotus - Gascoyne has confirmed that there will be a major exhaust, diffuser and floor upgrade, but that has been pushed back to Barcelona.
Virgin Racing - according to Auto Motor Und Sport (in an article I linked to in the MVR-02 thread), there are several major modifications to the bodywork supposedly in the works for Turkey.
HRT - aerodynamic and mechanical updates, of unspecified nature, are currently planned.

Hmm, perhaps I'll copy this across should I start a Turkish GP thread...Anyway, it looks like the bigger upgrades are probably still being held back for Barcelona (the more traditional testing ground), although Renault and Williams, who are seemingly bringing bigger upgrades, might make a small jump forwards in relative pace. Williams, bringing seemingly one of the biggest upgrade packages, seemingly have the most to gain - and need to - whilst Virgin Racing are also hoping to significantly close the gap to Team Lotus if possible.

S951 · Post by **S951** » 04 May 2011, 09:41

sam michael and other bloke from williams have resigned wonder were they be off to

Jeroen Krautmeir · Post by **Jeroen Krautmeir** » 04 May 2011, 09:44

S951 wrote:sam michael and other bloke from williams have resigned wonder were they be off to

Ooo! Ooo! Off to HRT I hope!

DanielPT · Post by **DanielPT** » 04 May 2011, 10:04

Jeroen Krautmeir wrote:
S951 wrote:sam michael and other bloke from williams have resigned wonder were they be off to

Ooo! Ooo! Off to HRT I hope!

Michael and Willis might make a good team... If this happens and HRT goes on to better Williams sometime in the future it will be huge humiliation for Frank...

Myrvold · Post by **Myrvold** » 04 May 2011, 16:18

mario wrote:Hmm, perhaps I'll copy this across should I start a Turkish GP thread...

yes pretty please!

Pointrox · Post by **Pointrox** » 04 May 2011, 23:37

Meanwhile in Turkey:
Narain and Vito are attending Besiktas' training session

sswishbone · Post by **sswishbone** » 06 May 2011, 07:07

Interesting fact, at the last race Karthekayan became the first ever driver to finish 23rd in a grand prix race :lol:

ADx_Wales · Post by **ADx_Wales** » 06 May 2011, 07:27

Also, Hispania's Technical Gremlins should not be exposed to water.

GroupLotusRenault · Post by **GroupLotusRenault** » 06 May 2011, 07:30

My fault, should of done a bit more research, with HRT updates is it more aero or setup of the F111?

Jeroen Krautmeir · Post by **Jeroen Krautmeir** » 06 May 2011, 12:41

Valrys · Post by **Valrys** » 06 May 2011, 14:56

Good catch Jeroen!

Anyone seen anything else new other than that and the new engine cover?

JGomezHRT · Post by **JGomezHRT** » 06 May 2011, 15:25

Jeroen Krautmeir wrote:

Credits please

Pointrox · Post by **Pointrox** » 06 May 2011, 15:46

Has anyone seen the Base Batteries logo on the car(s)?
I can't seem to find them.

solarcold · Post by **solarcold** » 06 May 2011, 16:14

Pointrox wrote:Has anyone seen the Base Batteries logo on the car(s)?
I can't seem to find them.

I second this. They probably decided not to spoil their COOL SPOT with some rubbish logos.

Valrys · Post by **Valrys** » 07 May 2011, 09:09

Pointrox wrote:Has anyone seen the Base Batteries logo on the car(s)?
I can't seem to find them.

I can't see them either. No mention on their website either other than the press release.

Apparently there was also supposed to be a new Italian sponsor for the cars as well, but that's also AWOL.....

S951 · Post by **S951** » 07 May 2011, 12:18

only 2 tenths in it and tonio would been ahead of ambrosio to!

DanielPT · Post by **DanielPT** » 07 May 2011, 17:33

It was good to seem the bare HRT mixing it up with the heavily revised Virgins and not that far away from Lotus. Can it be that HRT will, at the end of the season, fighting for Q2? If it happens it is a great come back from them

Ferrim · Post by **Ferrim** » 07 May 2011, 19:28

To be quite honest, I would be very surprised if HRT can lap under 4s off the pace with any consistency.

Still it's an unbelievable achievement given that three monts ago I expected them to either compete with the F110 or not at all.

jpm · Post by **jpm** » 07 May 2011, 19:32

HRT have a Youtube channel!!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NRkMNGaD ... r_embedded

Edit; What the heck is this?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jC8sfLDG2QQ

shinji · Post by **shinji** » 07 May 2011, 19:36

jpm wrote:Edit; What the heck is this?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jC8sfLDG2QQ

It's rejectdom in the social media age is what it is.

Aerond · Post by **Aerond** » 07 May 2011, 23:03

jpm wrote:Edit; What the heck is this?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jC8sfLDG2QQ

It actually made me smile!

GwilymJJames · Post by **GwilymJJames** » 07 May 2011, 23:33

jpm wrote:Edit; What the heck is this?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jC8sfLDG2QQ

It's the best thing on the Internet, that's what it is.

Peter · Post by **Peter** » 08 May 2011, 00:02

Liuzzi ahead of Glock!!!!!!

And Since Jerome has a 5 spot penalty, him too!!!

GroupLotusRenault · Post by **GroupLotusRenault** » 08 May 2011, 02:40

I am starting to think now the car has got some pace in it, 3.4 seconds off vettels Q1 time, from 7 secs in aussie, it shows they can do i and not be a laughing stock.

Ferrim · Post by **Ferrim** » 08 May 2011, 10:06

5.6 seconds off pole though, and the track doesn't improve that much (if at all) with this year's tyres.

Peter · Post by **Peter** » 08 May 2011, 13:58

Ferrim wrote:5.6 seconds off pole though, and the track doesn't improve that much (if at all) with this year's tyres.

The track does rubber in, though not as much as the Bridgestones, there is some gain, maybe a second at most.

Looks like HRT has reliability sorted out, while Virgin, doesn't. Glock retiring, both Hispanias not retiring. Though they need to work on race pace. I don't know what they do in the race but they drop like rocks from the Virgin as soon as the race gets underway.

David AGS · Post by **David AGS** » 12 May 2011, 09:44

Accodring to Liuzzi's blog on espnf1.com, HRT tried a blown diffuser which is interesting. But they havent got the full package, that will most likely for Spain, amongst other parts

DanielPT · Post by **DanielPT** » 12 May 2011, 09:46

David AGS wrote:Accodring to Liuzzi's blog on espnf1.com, HRT tried a blown diffuser which is interesting. But they havent got the full package, that will most likely for Spain, amongst other parts

A blown diffuser? My, the kids are growing up so fast these days!

TomWazzleshaw · Post by **TomWazzleshaw** » 12 May 2011, 09:47

DanielPT wrote:
David AGS wrote:Accodring to Liuzzi's blog on espnf1.com, HRT tried a blown diffuser which is interesting. But they havent got the full package, that will most likely for Spain, amongst other parts

A blown diffuser? My, the kids are growing up so fast these days!

To put it simply Virgin are in a whole world of trouble if the blown diffuser works.

S951 · Post by **S951** » 12 May 2011, 11:44

basically lot more than that ain't it? iirc its new ebd new rear floor more revisions to the wings aswell

Peter · Post by **Peter** » 13 May 2011, 16:47

Jinkies, HRT is looking very good :O