Unpopular F1 opinions

TomWazzleshaw · Post by **TomWazzleshaw** » 12 Dec 2011, 22:42

Shadaza wrote:Jules Bianchi is not the 2nd coming of Christ.

Amen to that my friend.

Anyways: Lewis Hamilton wouldn't last more than half a season in a midfield team.

FullMetalJack · Post by **FullMetalJack** » 12 Dec 2011, 22:51

Wizzie wrote:Amen to that my friend.

Anyways: Lewis Hamilton wouldn't last more than half a season in a midfield team.

That's something i'd love to see.

Aerospeed · Post by **Aerospeed** » 13 Dec 2011, 03:29

Lewis Hamilton's management company (whose name I forget) is slowly eating away at his F1 career.

AdrianSutil · Post by **AdrianSutil** » 13 Dec 2011, 06:37

Klon wrote:
Cynon wrote:
TheBigJ wrote:Button has been a waste of space since the millennium started.

Fixed.

Even more so fixed

That's a bit strong.

Anyway, Raikkonen has no right coming back to F1. We don't need him. Ever.

RonDenisDeletraz · Post by **RonDenisDeletraz** » 13 Dec 2011, 06:59

GGGRRRSSSSJJJNNN is overrated
Van de Poele is a good driver
Simtek could have been a midfeied team if they had more money
I dont miss Jordan
Benetton's 1989 livery was awesome

DanielPT · Post by **DanielPT** » 13 Dec 2011, 10:31

dr-baker wrote:
DanielPT wrote:
aliefbielefeld wrote:David Coulthard undoubtedly one of the sexiest man alive

dr-baker wrote:1. Welcome.
2. Let's not be rude about others, whether we are fans of them or not.
3. Some of yours are just fiction (not the same as unpopular) but would be very popular if true (Minardi and Andrea Moda... ).

That quote, dr-baker, doesn't necessarily mean that aliefbielefeld is female, although one might say it is an understandable precipitation!

Since when did I suggest that aliefbielefeld was female? Might be a gay man for all we know!

Don't get me wrong, dr-baker, I never said you suggested aliefbielefeld was female. Although your prompt response did it for you! :lol:

Ferrim · Post by **Ferrim** » 13 Dec 2011, 13:06

Shadaza wrote:
1 lap qualifying was the best qualifying system they ever had.

Boooooooooooooooooooooooooooo

Shadaza wrote:and.....Kobayashi is overated

BOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!

(But I guess that's what this thread is for!)

aliefbielefeld · Post by **aliefbielefeld** » 13 Dec 2011, 13:17

dr-baker wrote:
DanielPT wrote:
aliefbielefeld wrote:David Coulthard undoubtedly one of the sexiest man alive

dr-baker wrote:1. Welcome.
2. Let's not be rude about others, whether we are fans of them or not.
3. Some of yours are just fiction (not the same as unpopular) but would be very popular if true (Minardi and Andrea Moda... ).

That quote, dr-baker, doesn't necessarily mean that aliefbielefeld is female, although one might say it is an understandable precipitation!

Since when did I suggest that aliefbielefeld was female? Might be a gay man for all we know!

Easy bro,It's just a joke and i'm absolutely not gay or female at all

dr-baker · Post by **dr-baker** » 13 Dec 2011, 13:24

aliefbielefeld wrote:Easy bro,It's just a joke and i'm absolutely not gay or female at all

Wow. Well, I am just glad you're not scared off. But I do seem to have an unfortunate reputation round here (see my signature...). Please forgive any misunderstandings.

And it is hard to pick up on humour without smilies.

FullMetalJack · Post by **FullMetalJack** » 13 Dec 2011, 13:24

eurobrun wrote:GGGRRRSSSSJJJNNN is overrated
Van de Poele is a good driver
Simtek could have been a midfeied team if they had more money
I dont miss Jordan
Benetton's 1989 livery was awesome

We'll see about GGGRRRSSSSJJJNNN
Van de Poele never got a proper chance, he could well have amounted to a lot
Simtek were promising in 1995, Verstappen was clearly in the midfield
All of Benetton's liveries except the 91-93 ones were awesome.

How can you not miss Jordan? Prepare for the papayas.

dr-baker · Post by **dr-baker** » 13 Dec 2011, 13:27

eurobrun wrote:I don't miss Jordan

How can you not miss Jordan? Prepare for the papayas.[/quote]
If he means Eddie and his shirts, I can understand. But the team? No.

Post by **Londoner** » 13 Dec 2011, 16:43

dr-baker wrote:
redbulljack14 wrote:
eurobrun wrote:I don't miss Jordan

How can you not miss Jordan? Prepare for the papayas.

If he means Katie Price, I can understand. But the team? No.

Fixed (sort of...

)

FullMetalJack · Post by **FullMetalJack** » 13 Dec 2011, 17:26

dr-baker wrote:
redbulljack14 wrote:I don't miss Jordan

How can you not miss Jordan? Prepare for the papayas.

If he means Eddie and his shirts, I can understand. But the team? No.[/quote]

You've quoted it wrong, eurobrun wrote it, not me.

Jordan are my favourite team of all time.

dr-baker · Post by **dr-baker** » 13 Dec 2011, 18:52

redbulljack14 wrote:
dr-baker wrote:
redbulljack14 wrote:I don't miss Jordan

How can you not miss Jordan? Prepare for the papayas.

If he means Eddie and his shirts, I can understand. But the team? No.

You've quoted it wrong, eurobrun wrote it, not me.

Jordan are my favourite team of all time.[/quote]
Take a second look (but ignore the "edited at:" bit!)

RonDenisDeletraz · Post by **RonDenisDeletraz** » 14 Dec 2011, 05:08

From 2002 onwards Jordan was about as interesting as Toyota

AdrianSutil · Post by **AdrianSutil** » 14 Dec 2011, 06:00

From 2002 onwards Jordan were running out of money. Hardly their fault for slipping to the back. Plus 2005 wasn't really Jordan, more like Midland in Jordan colours.

QuickYoda41 · Post by **QuickYoda41** » 14 Dec 2011, 11:13

eurobrun wrote:From 2002 onwards Jordan was about as interesting as Toyota

Fisichella and his race win still makes the difference.

FullMetalJack · Post by **FullMetalJack** » 14 Dec 2011, 11:28

eurobrun wrote:From 2002 onwards Jordan was about as interesting as Toyota

Nick Heidfeld begs to differ.

James1978 · Post by **James1978** » 14 Dec 2011, 12:44

I actually miss one-lap qualifying in principle, the only thing I didn't like was how they decided the running order for it! (I hated the way cars several laps down would come back out again just so they could improve their running slot for the next race). Then again, the way they had a session to decide the running order in 2004 was stupid as well!

FullMetalJack · Post by **FullMetalJack** » 14 Dec 2011, 15:02

James1978 wrote:I actually miss one-lap qualifying in principle, the only thing I didn't like was how they decided the running order for it! (I hated the way cars several laps down would come back out again just so they could improve their running slot for the next race). Then again, the way they had a session to decide the running order in 2004 was stupid as well!

It was good, you got full laps with drivers like Wilson, Firman, Pantano, Bruni, HWNSNBM, Monteiro and Freisacher

DanielPT · Post by **DanielPT** » 14 Dec 2011, 15:55

redbulljack14 wrote:
James1978 wrote:I actually miss one-lap qualifying in principle, the only thing I didn't like was how they decided the running order for it! (I hated the way cars several laps down would come back out again just so they could improve their running slot for the next race). Then again, the way they had a session to decide the running order in 2004 was stupid as well!

It was good, you got full laps with drivers like Wilson, Firman, Pantano, Bruni, HWNSNBM, Monteiro and Freisacher

Bring back the one-lap qualifying now! I want to see HRT laps!

Faustus · Post by **Faustus** » 14 Dec 2011, 16:47

DanielPT wrote:
redbulljack14 wrote:
James1978 wrote:I actually miss one-lap qualifying in principle, the only thing I didn't like was how they decided the running order for it! (I hated the way cars several laps down would come back out again just so they could improve their running slot for the next race). Then again, the way they had a session to decide the running order in 2004 was stupid as well!

It was good, you got full laps with drivers like Wilson, Firman, Pantano, Bruni, HWNSNBM, Monteiro and Freisacher

Bring back the one-lap qualifying now! I want to see HRT laps!

Hell yes!
One-lap qualifying was one of the few ways of shaking up the grid order, without being totally artificial. It was not uncommon to have top drivers cock up their lap and end up in the midfield, which certainly made for better racing (and without bathplug DRS).

FullMetalJack · Post by **FullMetalJack** » 14 Dec 2011, 17:20

Faustus wrote:Hell yes!
One-lap qualifying was one of the few ways of shaking up the grid order, without being totally artificial. It was not uncommon to have top drivers cock up their lap and end up in the midfield, which certainly made for better racing (and without bathplug DRS).

Or if it rains halfway through. For example, HRT and Marussia get their laps in whilst the track is dry, rain starts to fall for the Caterhams and Williamses, and it's lashing it down for Vettel's lap.

Faustus · Post by **Faustus** » 14 Dec 2011, 17:25

That's right.
One-lap qualifying always seemed to work better in the ITC days, for some reason, even though the format was the same.

Phoenix · Post by **Phoenix** » 14 Dec 2011, 23:20

Either that or the good old 1-hour session, but we need to see drivers putting their raw speed to the ultimate test (not that I'm doubting about Vettel's raw speed, but they would have less of a chance and I hate those drivers that elect not to do any laps in Q3).

QuickYoda41 · Post by **QuickYoda41** » 14 Dec 2011, 23:28

After all this talk it turned out that my opinion that the current qualifying system is good is the unpopular one.

FullMetalJack · Post by **FullMetalJack** » 14 Dec 2011, 23:30

QuickYoda41 wrote:After all this talk it turned out that my opinion that the current qualifying system is good is the unpopular one.

It's not been brilliant this year, but that's just mostly thanks to Mercedes, Force India and Renault

Phoenix · Post by **Phoenix** » 14 Dec 2011, 23:38

redbulljack14 wrote:
QuickYoda41 wrote:After all this talk it turned out that my opinion that the current qualifying system is good is the unpopular one.

It's not been brilliant this year, but that's just mostly thanks to Mercedes, Force India and Renault

When refuelling was allowed, it was awful. Now it's average.

FullMetalJack · Post by **FullMetalJack** » 15 Dec 2011, 00:26

Phoenix wrote:
redbulljack14 wrote:
QuickYoda41 wrote:After all this talk it turned out that my opinion that the current qualifying system is good is the unpopular one.

It's not been brilliant this year, but that's just mostly thanks to Mercedes, Force India and Renault

When refuelling was allowed, it was awful. Now it's average.

Q2 is the best session, especially if a big scalp drops out there. Button has done so a few times, Massa could drop out, maybe Rosberg on a bad day. You don't know who's going through, apart from the top frontrunners.

TomWazzleshaw · Post by **TomWazzleshaw** » 15 Dec 2011, 00:28

Maybe we can keep the current system for 11th-24th but instead of having a free-for-all Q3, we could have a top 10 shootout and anyone who doesn't run without a valid reason (i.e. mechanical failure or crash damage from previous session while still making it into Q3) will get a 5 place grid penalty. Alternatively, as added incentive, they get a brand new set of the softer compound that Pirelli have brought which they have to give back after their lap.

TomWazzleshaw · Post by **TomWazzleshaw** » 15 Dec 2011, 00:29

redbulljack14 wrote:
Phoenix wrote:
redbulljack14 wrote:
It's not been brilliant this year, but that's just mostly thanks to Mercedes, Force India and Renault

When refuelling was allowed, it was awful. Now it's average.

Q2 is the best session, especially if a big scalp drops out there. Button has done so a few times, Massa could drop out, maybe Rosberg on a bad day. You don't know who's going through, apart from the top frontrunners.

Q1's also made interesting because a certain M.Schumacher runs the gauntlet of being the drop guy every bloody race :lol:

Cynon · Post by **Cynon** » 15 Dec 2011, 04:55

One lap qualifying would be loads of fun to have back. Drivers don't have enough pressure on them with the current Q1-Q2-Q3 system.

If you want to encourage better racing by putting fast cars in the back, just invert the field after qualifying, with sandbaggers and cars without times in the back.

AdrianSutil · Post by **AdrianSutil** » 15 Dec 2011, 05:08

redbulljack14 wrote:
Faustus wrote:Hell yes!
One-lap qualifying was one of the few ways of shaking up the grid order, without being totally artificial. It was not uncommon to have top drivers cock up their lap and end up in the midfield, which certainly made for better racing (and without bathplug DRS).

Or if it rains halfway through. For example, HRT and Marussia get their laps in whilst the track is dry, rain starts to fall for the Caterhams and Williamses, and it's lashing it down for Vettel's lap.

That's how Verstappen and Minardi scored a 'pole' at France 2003.

dr-baker · Post by **dr-baker** » 15 Dec 2011, 10:08

I don't understand. I much prefer the current qualifying system to the 1-lap variety.

Jeroen Krautmeir · Post by **Jeroen Krautmeir** » 15 Dec 2011, 10:13

What I would do if we had the 1-lap qualifying system still in place is that I would make the teams register their cars. So, whenever their driver wants to go out, the team sends someone to Charlie Whiting and his merry men and register their car, then the driver goes out. There will always be one car on track, another car can only go out if the track is empty. If drivers don't go out, they will be sent to the back of the grid. If there are multiple cars who do this, then they will be lined up at the back according to points (or, if it's the opener, car number).

CoopsII · Post by **CoopsII** » 15 Dec 2011, 10:55

Jeroen Krautmeir wrote:What I would do if we had the 1-lap qualifying system still in place is that I would make the teams register their cars. So, whenever their driver wants to go out, the team sends someone to Charlie Whiting and his merry men and register their car, then the driver goes out. There will always be one car on track, another car can only go out if the track is empty. If drivers don't go out, they will be sent to the back of the grid. If there are multiple cars who do this, then they will be lined up at the back according to points (or, if it's the opener, car number).

Sounds fun

.

DanielPT · Post by **DanielPT** » 15 Dec 2011, 11:01

Jeroen Krautmeir wrote:What I would do if we had the 1-lap qualifying system still in place is that I would make the teams register their cars. So, whenever their driver wants to go out, the team sends someone to Charlie Whiting and his merry men and register their car, then the driver goes out. There will always be one car on track, another car can only go out if the track is empty. If drivers don't go out, they will be sent to the back of the grid. If there are multiple cars who do this, then they will be lined up at the back according to points (or, if it's the opener, car number).

That sounds a bit chaotic, which is not that bad. I have a question, though. The big guns will always want to be the last on track, so when, say, Vettel, Alonso and Hamilton don't show up to register because they have been waiting for each other to go and there is no one else left, they are all demoted to the back of the grid?

Jeroen Krautmeir · Post by **Jeroen Krautmeir** » 15 Dec 2011, 11:13

DanielPT wrote:I have a question, though. The big guns will always want to be the last on track, so when, say, Vettel, Alonso and Hamilton don't show up to register because they have been waiting for each other to go and there is no one else left, they are all demoted to the back of the grid?

Yes

DanielPT · Post by **DanielPT** » 15 Dec 2011, 11:17

Jeroen Krautmeir wrote:
DanielPT wrote:I have a question, though. The big guns will always want to be the last on track, so when, say, Vettel, Alonso and Hamilton don't show up to register because they have been waiting for each other to go and there is no one else left, they are all demoted to the back of the grid?

Yes

So the trick is for everybody to race (running) to Whiting in order to be on track and not leave it empty. That sounds very random and very lovely!

CoopsII · Post by **CoopsII** » 15 Dec 2011, 11:29

Were it not for his arm-severing helicopter accident Alessandro Nannini would've won a World Drivers Championship in a Benetton before Schumacher.