Grand Prix Rejects

apple2009 wrote:I would laugh at the conspiracy theories if it didn't relate to such a tragic event.

And what is the "police state" in question? The USA?

Some people consider much of the gun control push and NSA spying measures as a coming "police state" in the US. That is all I want to say on this matter so back to scheduled NASCAR posting by giving the IIDOTR to Jamie McMurray with a strong 5th place finish after having an early race collision with the wall causing a caution period.

Jocke1 wrote:Anyone else saw that Kasey Kahne interview a few minutes ago?

Wallio wrote:No, what's he whinging about now? Out of hair gel?

No, no, no. I meant that really strange interview he gave Dr. Punch when about 30 laps remained in the race. I've never seen Kahne act like that.
He was acting weird, like totally spaced out, and the awkwardness was clear for everyone to see.

http://youtu.be/HmOaILLgKGw

Look at his eyes throughout.
Someone speculated that he got concussed after the hit with the wall, but
Kahne had been checked by the infield care center before the interview, and they should have noticed something if that was the case.

Jocke1 wrote:

Jocke1 wrote:Anyone else saw that Kasey Kahne interview a few minutes ago?

Wallio wrote:No, what's he whinging about now? Out of hair gel?

No, no, no. I meant that really strange interview he gave Dr. Punch when about 30 laps remained in the race. I've never seen Kahne act like that.
He was acting weird, like totally spaced out, and the awkwardness was clear for everyone to see.

http://youtu.be/HmOaILLgKGw

Look at his eyes throughout.
Someone speculated that he got concussed after the hit with the wall, but
Kahne had been checked by the infield care center before the interview, and they should have noticed something if that was the case.

Hair-gel actually told Jenna Fryer today that he was fine, just angry about wrecking, and that he couldn't here Jerry Punch. So many drivers have "bad" or "maligned" interviews with Punch, that maybe he's the problem?

Hair gel then flowed form by throwing shots at people second guessing his health and the infield care center. Seriously, how does this guy have any fans? Ah, yes, women, I forgot.

Wallio wrote:
Hair-gel actually told Jenna Fryer today that he was fine, just angry about wrecking, and that he couldn't here Jerry Punch. So many drivers have "bad" or "maligned" interviews with Punch, that maybe he's the problem?

Hair gel then flowed form by throwing shots at people second guessing his health and the infield care center. Seriously, how does this guy have any fans? Ah, yes, women, I forgot.

Indeed, women are the largest contingency of Kahne fans due to his looks. If Harry Gant had competed regularly in the 1970s, I bet that would have happened to Handsome Harry as well.

That finish at Dover.

Lmao at Kyle's radio-meltdown just now
Anyone else heard it / watching the race?

Edit:
Woah, final lap and Tony got the Big One. What a hit from behind!

Jocke1 wrote:Lmao at Kyle's radio-meltdown just now
Anyone else heard it / watching the race?

Edit:
Woah, final lap and Tony got the Big One. What a hit from behind!

That wasn't Tony. That was Austin Dillon in the #14 as an injury replacement.

Jocke1 wrote:Lmao at Kyle's radio-meltdown just now
Anyone else heard it / watching the race?

I don't think I've heard Kyle say bathplug that many times in one radio exchange. It's a new record!

Lots of yellows so far. That is five I think, with well over half the race still to go.
Montoya is having a good run for a change...

Well, seventeen yellow flags! Just four shy of the record at Martinsville.
Very nice to see one of the childhood heroes, Jeff Gordon, take win #88.

Mike Coughlan is going back to NASCAR, this time with Richard Childress Racing:

http://joesaward.wordpress.com/2013/11/ ... to-nascar/

Faustus wrote:Mike Coughlan is going back to NASCAR, this time with Richard Childress Racing:

http://joesaward.wordpress.com/2013/11/ ... to-nascar/

Expect some spying on the Hendrick cars.

2011 Daytona 500 winner Trevor Bayne is diagnosed with MS http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/111260

golic_2004 wrote:2011 Daytona 500 winner Trevor Bayne is diagnosed with MS http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/111260

Well, I wish Trevor luck in keeping the disease under control I always liked the guy. I always cheer him on.

golic_2004 wrote:2011 Daytona 500 winner Trevor Bayne is diagnosed with MS http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/111260

Christ, hope he recovers well. He's one of the few guys I like from NASCAR, of all places. His victory in 2011 is very inspiring. I wish him all the best

Well, there goes Jimmie again.

He's "Six-time" now...

Jocke1 wrote:Well, there goes Jimmie again.

He's "Six-time" now...

He'll win at least 8 before he retires.

Cynon wrote:

Jocke1 wrote:Well, there goes Jimmie again.

He's "Six-time" now...

He'll win at least 8 before he retires.

I bet on an even ten championships. This is what happens when there are too many 1.5 mile ovals.

I'm more interested in Austin Dillion wining the Nationwide title......with no wins. Thanks to NASCARs stupidity in allowing the pros to run in the minors, the kid who next year will bring the number 3 back to Cup, was shut out. So what's NASCAR doing? Finally waking up and banning the big boys? Nah, they're discussing a "Chase" for Nationwide. SMH

Wallio wrote:I'm more interested in Austin Dillion wining the Nationwide title......with no wins. Thanks to NASCARs stupidity in allowing the pros to run in the minors, the kid who next year will bring the number 3 back to Cup, was shut out. So what's NASCAR doing? Finally waking up and banning the big boys? Nah, they're discussing a "Chase" for Nationwide. SMH

I think they need to limit the big boys to twelve entries for each Sprint Cup drivers. The Chase wont fix anything if the Cup drivers are still down there.

Onxy Wrecked wrote:

Wallio wrote:I'm more interested in Austin Dillion wining the Nationwide title......with no wins. Thanks to NASCARs stupidity in allowing the pros to run in the minors, the kid who next year will bring the number 3 back to Cup, was shut out. So what's NASCAR doing? Finally waking up and banning the big boys? Nah, they're discussing a "Chase" for Nationwide. SMH

I think they need to limit the big boys to twelve entries for each Sprint Cup drivers. The Chase wont fix anything.

Fixed.

Salamander wrote:

Onxy Wrecked wrote:

Wallio wrote:I'm more interested in Austin Dillion wining the Nationwide title......with no wins. Thanks to NASCARs stupidity in allowing the pros to run in the minors, the kid who next year will bring the number 3 back to Cup, was shut out. So what's NASCAR doing? Finally waking up and banning the big boys? Nah, they're discussing a "Chase" for Nationwide. SMH

I think they need to limit the big boys to twelve entries for each Sprint Cup drivers. The Chase wont fix anything.

Fixed.

All the Cup drivers do is consume points meant for other drivers.

Rumored overhaul of points system and the Chase format. Any reliable source on that?

go_Rubens wrote:Rumored overhaul of points system and the Chase format. Any reliable source on that?

Here's hoping they go back to the pre-2004 system. They should have never changed it...

Jocke1 wrote:

go_Rubens wrote:Rumored overhaul of points system and the Chase format. Any reliable source on that?

Here's hoping they go back to the pre-2004 system. They should have never changed it...

I can't in words explain how much I agree with this, because of how much it's cheapened the NASCAR championship. At least I, as a Kenseth fan, can proudly say he was the last real champion.

Jocke1 wrote:

go_Rubens wrote:Rumored overhaul of points system and the Chase format. Any reliable source on that?

Here's hoping they go back to the pre-2004 system. They should have never changed it...

It's now the Top 16 drivers in the chase... One has to win to get in. If fewer than 16 drivers win? The rest are decided on points.

Onxy Wrecked wrote:

Jocke1 wrote:

go_Rubens wrote:Rumored overhaul of points system and the Chase format. Any reliable source on that?

Here's hoping they go back to the pre-2004 system. They should have never changed it...

It's now the Top 16 drivers in the chase... One has to win to get in. If fewer than 16 drivers win? The rest are decided on points.

I call fail.

go_Rubens wrote:

Onxy Wrecked wrote:

Jocke1 wrote:Here's hoping they go back to the pre-2004 system. They should have never changed it...

It's now the Top 16 drivers in the chase... One has to win to get in. If fewer than 16 drivers win? The rest are decided on points.

I call fail.

inb4 some backmarker wins Talledega and gets into the chase despite finishing 30th in like every other race.

go_Rubens wrote:It's now the Top 16 drivers in the chase... One has to win to get in. If fewer than 16 drivers win? The rest are decided on points.

Apparently after every three races the bottom four chase drivers get eliminated leaving the top four to battle it out in the final with even points. I'd say that is better than any of the previous chase systems but still not as good as a normal pre-chase system.

Out of curiosity I did work out who would have won each year without the chase a while back. Jeff Gordon would have taken a fifth title, Kevin Harvick would have won in 2010 while Carl Edwards would have won two including Kensething his way to the 2011 title with just one win. Sadly Jimmie Johnson would still have won his five last year as though he would loose 2007, 2008 and 2010 he would have instead gained 2004 and 2012.

2004 Jimmie Johnson
2005 Tony Stewart
2006 Jimmie Johnson
2007 Jeff Gordon
2008 Carl Edwards
2009 Jimmie Johnson
2010 Kevin Harvick
2011 Carl Edwards
2012 Jimmie Johnson
2013 Jimmie Johnson

The problem (besides all of it) is that the Charlotte Observer is reporting that the final race will see the remaining drivers have their points zeroed, so the championship will be a one race affair.

Wallio wrote:The problem (besides all of it) is that the Charlotte Observer is reporting that the final race will see the remaining drivers have their points zeroed, so the championship will be a one race affair.

If that is the case, then what is the point of the other 35 races?

roblomas52 wrote:

Wallio wrote:The problem (besides all of it) is that the Charlotte Observer is reporting that the final race will see the remaining drivers have their points zeroed, so the championship will be a one race affair.

If that is the case, then what is the point of the other 35 races?

Getting the four (or another number, not sure) drivers who actually get their points zeroed. The Chase takes the top 16 winners, then the field is progressively narrowed down before the last race, where the best driver still eligible takes the crown. So you need at least a decent rest of the year to be in a position to win the title.

tommykl wrote:

roblomas52 wrote:

Wallio wrote:The problem (besides all of it) is that the Charlotte Observer is reporting that the final race will see the remaining drivers have their points zeroed, so the championship will be a one race affair.

If that is the case, then what is the point of the other 35 races?

Getting the four (or another number, not sure) drivers who actually get their points zeroed. The Chase takes the top 16 winners, then the field is progressively narrowed down before the last race, where the best driver still eligible takes the crown. So you need at least a decent rest of the year to be in a position to win the title.

This. The first 25 (or 23 they may make the chase 12 races) will set the Chase, then the Chase will eventually set the final 4. Several drivers have answered comments about it on Twitter already (which leads me to believe its a matter of "when" this happens, not if) but Denny Hamlin is the most vocal proponent of it:

http://motorsportstalk.nbcsports.com/20 ... n-twitter/

He basically is trying to sell it as "Every race will be like Richmond, who will get the boot?" But that's just stupid for racing......

Nascar makes me go:

Samster wrote:

go_Rubens wrote:It's now the Top 16 drivers in the chase... One has to win to get in. If fewer than 16 drivers win? The rest are decided on points.

Apparently after every three races the bottom four chase drivers get eliminated leaving the top four to battle it out in the final with even points. I'd say that is better than any of the previous chase systems but still not as good as a normal pre-chase system.

Out of curiosity I did work out who would have won each year without the chase a while back. Jeff Gordon would have taken a fifth title, Kevin Harvick would have won in 2010 while Carl Edwards would have won two including Kensething his way to the 2011 title with just one win. Sadly Jimmie Johnson would still have won his five last year as though he would loose 2007, 2008 and 2010 he would have instead gained 2004 and 2012.

2004 Jimmie Johnson
2005 Tony Stewart
2006 Jimmie Johnson
2007 Jeff Gordon
2008 Carl Edwards
2009 Jimmie Johnson
2010 Kevin Harvick
2011 Carl Edwards
2012 Jimmie Johnson
2013 Jimmie Johnson

Looks like the consistency of Johnson would have still turned him into a modern day Petty no matter what system was used.

Looks like NASCAR will use the knockout system for qualifying from this season, similar to that of F1.

http://www.jayski.com/cupnews.htm#20140122b

Samster wrote:Looks like NASCAR will use the knockout system for qualifying from this season, similar to that of F1.

http://www.jayski.com/cupnews.htm#20140122b

This is actually a good thing. Let's test this whole "knockout" idea before adding it to the chase. Test it for say.....15-20 years?

Onxy Wrecked wrote:

Samster wrote:

go_Rubens wrote:It's now the Top 16 drivers in the chase... One has to win to get in. If fewer than 16 drivers win? The rest are decided on points.

Apparently after every three races the bottom four chase drivers get eliminated leaving the top four to battle it out in the final with even points. I'd say that is better than any of the previous chase systems but still not as good as a normal pre-chase system.

Out of curiosity I did work out who would have won each year without the chase a while back. Jeff Gordon would have taken a fifth title, Kevin Harvick would have won in 2010 while Carl Edwards would have won two including Kensething his way to the 2011 title with just one win. Sadly Jimmie Johnson would still have won his five last year as though he would loose 2007, 2008 and 2010 he would have instead gained 2004 and 2012.

2004 Jimmie Johnson
2005 Tony Stewart
2006 Jimmie Johnson
2007 Jeff Gordon
2008 Carl Edwards
2009 Jimmie Johnson
2010 Kevin Harvick
2011 Carl Edwards
2012 Jimmie Johnson
2013 Jimmie Johnson

Looks like the consistency of Johnson would have still turned him into a modern day Petty no matter what system was used.

At least the whole season would actually matter.

NBC is reporting that the new, 16-man elimination Chase will be confirmed tomorrow. Several drivers including Junior, Gordon, and JJ all talked in support of it yesterday. Hoo boy

Wallio wrote:NBC is reporting that the new, 16-man elimination Chase will be confirmed tomorrow. Several drivers including Junior, Gordon, and JJ all talked in support of it yesterday. Hoo boy

If they go ahead with this, I'm going back to not watching NASCAR.