Ah bathplug. That is annoying. We are still P1 and P3 and P9 in the WCC, even if all three teams are leaving us next year.
As for the ATS debate, let me say this, when Walter Wolf was trying to sell his team to BMW, he made no mention of oweing Ferrari. It was a "give me $XX,XXXX and the team's yours" type thing, so I believe This.
I would say that we should fold Kaushen into the ATS-Wolf team, just because they won't survive anyway.
Professional Historian/Semi-Retired Drag Racer/Whiskey Enthusiast
"When I was still racing, I never once thought 'Oh, I can't damage the car here'." - Jolyn Palmer
Me either Jolyn, maybe that's why we're both out, eh?
1. Andrea de Cesaris (Rebaque HR101) 1:36.477 2. Jean-Pierre Jabouille (Rebaque HR101) +0.066 3. Jochen Mass (Kauhsen WK2) +0.326 4. Chris Amon (Surtees TS21) +0.641 5. Hiroshi Fushida (Kauhsen WK2) +0.909 6. Brian Henton (Surtees TS21) +0.933 7. Michael Bleekemolen (Boro 004) +1.087 8. Enzo Coloni (Boro 004) +1.568 9. Bruno Giacomelli (ATS D3) +3.609 10. Carlo Rossi (ATS D3) +4.847
1980 Italian GP - Qualifying 1. Patrick Depailler (Arrows A3) 1:33.212 2. James Hunt (McLaren M29) +0.008 3. Didier Pironi (Ligier JS11-15) +0.255 4. Keke Rosberg (Brabham BT49) +0.499 5. Jacques Laffite (Arrows A3) +0.545 6. Piercarlo Ghinzani (Ligier JS11-15) +0.842 7. Jody Scheckter (Brabham BT49) +0.960 8. Elio de Angelis (Ferrari 312T5) +1.291 9. Tom Pryce (McLaren M29) +1.360 * 10. Gilles Villeneuve (Ferrari 312T5) +1.384 11. Riccardo Patrese (Osella FA1) +1.457 12. Patrick Tambay (Shadow DN11) +1.460 13. Michele Alboreto (Osella FA1) +1.577 14. Jean-Pierre Jarier (Williams FW07B) +1.696 15. Stefan Johansson (Shadow DN11) +1.811 16. Carlos Pace (Williams FW07B) +2.294 17. Nigel Mansell (Alfa Romeo 180) +2.435 18. John Watson (Project Four OP4-1) +2.454 19. Nelson Piquet (Tyrrell 010) +2.654 20. Tom Sneva (Ensign N180) +2.672 21. Eddie Cheever (Alfa Romeo 180) +2.682 22. Carlos Reutemann (Ensign N180) +2.866 23. Clay Regazzoni (March 801) +2.871 24. Alan Jones (Renault RE20) +3.319 25. Jochen Mass (Kauhsen WK2) +3.451 26. Jacky Ickx (March 801) +3.458 27. Andrea de Cesaris (Rebaque HR101) +3.473 28. Alain Prost (Renault RE20) +3.582 29. Jean-Pierre Jabouille (Rebaque HR101) +3.606 30. Jan Lammers (Tyrrell 010) +3.679 31. Niki Lauda (Lotus 81) +4.245 32. Derek Daly (Project Four OP4-1) +4.307 * 33. Hiroshi Fushida (Kauhsen WK2) +4.522 34. Rick Mears (Lotus 81) +4.683 35. Brian Henton (Surtees TS21) +4.731 36. Chris Amon (Surtees TS21) +4.871
* Crashed during qualifying
1980 Italian GP - Race: 1. Didier Pironi (Ligier-Ferrari) 60 Laps 2. James Hunt (McLaren-BMW) +55.500 3. Tom Pryce (McLaren-BMW) +1:10.098 4. Piercarlo Ghinzani (Ligier-Ferrari) +1:24.442 5. Jacques Laffite (Arrows-Renault) +1 Lap 6. Jody Scheckter (Brabham-Matra) +1 Lap 7. Patrick Depailler (Arrows-Renault) +1 Lap 8. Patrick Tambay (Shadow-BMW) +1 Lap 9. Gilles Villeneuve (Ferrari) +1 Lap 10. Stefan Johansson (Shadow-BMW) +1 Lap 11. Jean-Pierre Jarier (Williams-Matra) +1 Lap 12. Michele Alboreto (Osella-Ferrari) +1 Lap 13. Carlos Reutemann (Ensign-Ferrari) +1 Lap 14. Nigel Mansell (Alfa Romeo) +2 Laps 15. Tom Sneva (Ensign-Ferrari) +2 Laps 16. Nelson Piquet (Tyrrell-Cosworth) +2 Laps 17. Alain Prost (Renault) +2 Laps 18. Alan Jones (Renault) +3 Laps 19. Clay Regazzoni (March-Matra) +3 Laps DNF Eddie Cheever (Alfa Romeo) +11 Laps / Electrics DNF Jan Lammers (Tyrrell-Cosworth) +21 Laps / Accident DNF John Watson (Project Four-BMW) +23 Laps / Transmission DNF Carlos Pace (Williams-Matra) +24 Laps / Suspension DNF Andrea de Cesaris (Rebaque-Cosworth) +30 Laps / Clutch DNF Jacky Ickx (March-Matra) +35 Laps /Water Leak DNF Jean-Pierre Jabouille (Rebaque-Cosworth) +38 Laps / Gearbox DNF Elio de Angelis (Ferrari) +42 Laps / Suspension DNF Riccardo Patrese (Osella-Ferrari) +46 Laps / Suspension DNF Jochen Mass (Kauhsen-Ferrari) +53 Laps / Accident DNF Keke Rosberg (Brabham-Matra) +56 Laps / Accident
Everyone is waiting for 1980 to finish anyway, so I'm going to run the rest of the season a bit faster than usually. Expect the last race of the season towards the end of this week.
1980 Canadian GP - Pre-qualifying:
1. Andrea de Cesaris (Rebaque HR101) 1:32.200 2. Jean-Pierre Jabouille (Rebaque HR101) +0.007 3. Jochen Mass (Kauhsen WK2) +0.050 4. Hiroshi Fushida (Kauhsen WK2) +0.558 5. Chris Amon (Surtees TS21) +0.580 6. Brian Henton (Surtees TS21) +0.765 7. Divina Galica (Boro 004) +1.003 8. Niki Lauda (Lotus 81) +1.172 9. Rick Mears (Lotus 81) +1.480 10. Albert Poon (Boro 004) +2.014 11. Marc Surer (ATS D3) +3.798 12. Bruno Giacomelli (ATS D3) +3.828
pasta_maldonado wrote:The stewards have recommended that Alan Jones learns to drive.
Normal32 wrote:Can Kaushen take over penske stuff?
pi314159 wrote:5) Money transfer between teams Transferring money between teams can be vetoed by the sport's governing body. If I say nothing, consider them approved. I just wanted to have the possibility to veto deals like the ATS/Wolf one. I don't really mind that one, but if, for example, Penske decided to do the same thing as Wolf, a backmarker could have ended up with over 7 million. That would give that team an unfair advantage over their competitors.
So, that'd be a no.
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Normal32 wrote:Can Kaushen take over penske stuff?
No. Even if it was still allowed, Penske would require a manager who can transfer the money to Kauhsen to make something like the ATS-Wolf deal possible. But first, Penske don't have a manager any more, and sencond, as Biscione correctly pointed out, the rules have been changed to make such deals impossible.
pasta_maldonado wrote:The stewards have recommended that Alan Jones learns to drive.
1980 Canadian GP - Race: 1. James Hunt (McLaren-BMW) 72 Laps 2. Tom Pryce (McLaren-BMW) +29.429 3. Jacques Laffite (Arrows-Renault) +1:10.589 4. Didier Pironi (Ligier-Ferrari) +1:15.273 5. Stefan Johansson (Shadow-BMW) +1 Lap 6. Roberto Guerrero (Ligier-Ferrari) +1 Lap 7. Patrick Tambay (Shadow-BMW) +1 Lap 8. Elio de Angelis (Ferrari) +1 Lap 9. Jody Scheckter (Brabham-Matra) +1 Lap 10. Keke Rosberg (Brabham-Matra) +1 Lap 11. Carlos Pace (Williams-Matra) +1 Lap 12. John Watson (Project Four-BMW) +1 Lap 13. Riccardo Patrese (Osella-Ferrari) +1 Lap 14. Nigel Mansell (Alfa Romeo) +1 Lap 15. Michele Alboreto (Osella-Ferrari) +2 Laps 16. Eddie Cheever (Alfa Romeo) +2 Laps 17. Tom Sneva (Ensign-Ferrari) +2 Laps 18. Clay Regazzoni (March-Matra) +2 Laps 19. Jean-Pierre Jabouille (Rebaque-Cosworth) +3 Laps 20. Jacky Ickx (March-Matra) +3 Laps DNF Nelson Piquet (Tyrrell-Cosworth) +24 Laps / Water Leak DNF Gilles Villeneuve (Ferrari) +25 Laps / Brakes DNF Derek Daly (Project Four-BMW) +25 Laps / Gearbox DNF Carlos Reutemann (Ensign-Ferrari) +27 Laps / Accident DNF Andrea de Cesaris (Rebaque-Cosworth) +52 Laps / Accident DNF Alain Prost (Renault) +67 Laps / Gearbox DNF Patrick Depailler (Arrows-Renault) +67 Laps / Oil Leak DNF Jean-Pierre Jarier (Williams-Matra) +68 Laps / Electrics
Fastest Lap: James Hunt (McLaren-BMW)
pasta_maldonado wrote:The stewards have recommended that Alan Jones learns to drive.
1980 USA East GP - Race: 1. Didier Pironi (Ligier-Ferrari) 59 Laps 2. James Hunt (McLaren-BMW) +39.724 3. Roberto Guerrero (Ligier-Ferrari) +58.162 4. Elio de Angelis (Ferrari) +1:12.703 5. Patrick Depailler (Arrows-Renault) +1:16.450 6. Jody Scheckter (Brabham-Matra) +1:20.647 7. Gilles Villeneuve (Ferrari) +1:27.843 8. Patrick Tambay (Shadow-BMW) +1 Lap 9. Carlos Pace (Williams-Matra) +1 Lap 10. Michele Alboreto (Osella-Ferrari) +1 Lap 11. Jean-Pierre Jarier (Williams-Matra) +1 Lap 12. Derek Daly (Project Four-BMW) +2 Laps 13. Eddie Cheever (Alfa Romeo) +2 Laps 14. Nigel Mansell (Alfa Romeo) +2 Laps 15. Carlos Reutemann (Ensign-Ferrari) +2 Laps 16. Alain Prost (Renault) +2 Laps 17. Alan Jones (Renault) +4 Laps / Engine 18. Keke Rosberg (Brabham-Matra) +5 Laps / Clutch DNF John Watson (Project Four-BMW) +7 Laps / Water Leak DNF Jochen Mass (Kauhsen-Ferrari) +8 Laps / Suspension DNF Nelson Piquet (Tyrrell-Cosworth) +10 Laps / Engine DNF Tom Pryce (McLaren-BMW) +20 Laps / Clutch DNF Tom Sneva (Ensign-Ferrari) +23 Laps / Accident DNF Jacky Ickx (March-Matra) +27 Laps / Electrics DNF Jacques Laffite (Arrows-Renault) +34 Laps / Accident DNF Stefan Johansson (Shadow-BMW) +51 Laps / Electrics DNF Clay Regazzoni (March-Matra) +54 Laps / Engine DNF Riccardo Patrese (Osella-Ferrari) +57 Laps / Accident
Fastest Lap: Tom Pryce (McLaren-BMW)
pasta_maldonado wrote:The stewards have recommended that Alan Jones learns to drive.
1980 Japanese GP - Race: Review: Pryce immediately passed Hunt at the start, trying to maintain his small chance to win the championship. The McLarens started to pull away from the rest of the field, except Pironi who kept a 3-4 second gap to the two championship contenders. Elio de Angelis started to pass the cars ahead of him, trying to earn 6th place in the constructors' championship for Ferrari. Jody Scheckter put his car into 6th position, which would allow Brabham to overtake Shadow. But on lap 12, Scheckter spun and lost many positions, which also helped Johansson to gain 6th place. On lap 14, Riccardo Patrese had a violent crash at Degner, completely destroying the front of his Osella. He got out of the car on his own, but sustained a foot injury. But as it was the last race of the season, he has enough time to recover from it before pre-season testing starts.
The battle for 6th continued until Rosberg's engine failed on lapp 38, deciding the fight for 4th in the constructors' championship in favour of Shadow. Meanwhile, Pironi started to catch the McLarens. First he passed Hunt, and then tried to get past Pryce. Suddenly, on lap 48 Pryce slowed down because of a transmission failure, and Pironi took the lead. Hunt had won the 1980 Drivers Championship. And soon he also took the lead of the race, when Pironi's suspension broke. Hunt had no competition for the race win on the final three laps, and could already start celebrating his third world championship, something only Fangio, Stewart and Brabham had achieved before him. Laffite finished 2nd in the Arrows, and Ferrari could finally celebrate a podium finish again, as de Angelis scored 3rd.
Results: 1. James Hunt (McLaren-BMW) 54 Laps 2. Jacques Laffite (Arrows-Renault) +1:11.097 3. Elio de Angelis (Ferrari) +1:12.348 4. Patrick Depailled (Arrows-Renault) +1:28.343 5. Patrick Tambay (Shadow-BMW) +1:35.491 6. Carlos Pace (Williams-Matra) +1 Lap 7. Jean-Pierre Jarier (Williams-Matra) +1 Lap 8. Carlos Reutemann (Ensign-Ferrari) +2 Laps 9. Nelson Piquet (Tyrrell-Cosworth) +2 Laps 10. Tom Sneva (Ensign-Ferrari) +2 Laps 11. Alain Prost (Renault) +2 Laps 12. Didier Pironi (Ligier-Ferrari) +3 Laps / Suspension 13. Tom Pryce (McLaren-BMW) +5 Laps / Transmission DNF Jochen Mass (Kauhsen-Ferrari) +10 Laps / Accident DNF Jacky Ickx (March-Matra) +11 Laps / Suspension DNF Stefan Johansson (Shadow-BMW) +15 Laps / Engine DNF Keke Rosberg (Brabham-Matra) +16 Laps / Engine DNF Clay Regazzoni (March-Matra) +16 Laps / Transmission DNF Satoru Nakajima (Ligier-Ferrari) +18 Laps / Water Leak DNF Eddie Cheever (Alfa Romeo) +20 Laps / Gearbox DNF Jody Scheckter (Brabham-Matra) +26 Laps / Engine DNF Derek Daly (Project Four-BMW) +32 Laps / Gearbox DNF Gilles Villeneuve (Ferrari) +33 Laps / Engine DNF John Watson (Project Four-BMW) +37 Laps / Electrics DNF Riccardo Patrese (Osella-Ferrari) +40 Laps / Accident DNF Nigel Mansell (Alfa Romeo) +46 Laps / Transmission DNF Alan Jones (Renault) +47 Laps / Transmission DNF Michele Alboreto (Osella-Ferrari) +50 Laps / Accident
Fastest Lap: Didier Pironi (Ligier-Ferrari)
Injury Report: Riccardo Patrese only sustained a smaller injury and will recover within three weeks, which is a lot of time before pre-season testing starts. Ronnie Peterson has also recovered from his injuries after his accident at Monaco, so he can take part in next season, if he chooses to continue his career.
pasta_maldonado wrote:The stewards have recommended that Alan Jones learns to drive.
