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Re: The Marussia Thread
Posted: 16 Jul 2013, 10:09
by Alextrax52
madmark1974 wrote:dinizintheoven wrote:Williams, from here, will soon be announcing they've hired Flavio Briatore as an "image consultant" or similar, and their drivers for next year will be Tomas Enge and Johnny Cecotto Jr.
Meanwhile, I'd give a word of caution to Marussia about the use of Ferrari engines and gearboxes. Remember when Minardi had a similar deal (which, given that it was 1991, most of you won't actually remember due to not being alive at the time)? They broke the bank to get hold of those powerplants, only to find that they didn't come with an instruction manual as to how to get the best out of them, or even anything approaching that mark...
Given Ferrari's performance themselves in 1991, I don't think an instruction manual ever existed ... or someone flushed it down the toilet or something ...
No Oh please No. Holy S*** NOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Re: The Marussia Thread
Posted: 16 Jul 2013, 10:13
by good_Ralf
dinizintheoven wrote:Williams, from here, will soon be announcing they've hired Flavio Briatore as an "image consultant" or similar, and their drivers for next year will be Tomas Enge and Johnny Cecotto Jr.
Meanwhile, I'd give a word of caution to Marussia about the use of Ferrari engines and gearboxes. Remember when Minardi had a similar deal (which, given that it was 1991, most of you won't actually remember due to not being alive at the time)? They broke the bank to get hold of those powerplants, only to find that they didn't come with an instruction manual as to how to get the best out of them, or even anything approaching that mark...
When Spyker and Force India were new to the grid, they were powered by Ferrari engines and they were often the worst cars on the grid. Also Toro Rosso do the same thing and only Vettel has been able do much with it. With that in mind and Pat Symonds departing, Marussia could find themselves dead last again next year if they're not careful. If Bianchi is staying on a situation like that that could destroy his F1 career.
Re: The Marussia Thread
Posted: 16 Jul 2013, 10:13
by TomWazzleshaw
madmark1974 wrote:dinizintheoven wrote:Williams, from here, will soon be announcing they've hired Flavio Briatore as an "image consultant" or similar, and their drivers for next year will be Tomas Enge and Johnny Cecotto Jr.
Meanwhile, I'd give a word of caution to Marussia about the use of Ferrari engines and gearboxes. Remember when Minardi had a similar deal (which, given that it was 1991, most of you won't actually remember due to not being alive at the time)? They broke the bank to get hold of those powerplants, only to find that they didn't come with an instruction manual as to how to get the best out of them, or even anything approaching that mark...
Given Ferrari's performance themselves in 1991, I don't think an instruction manual ever existed ... or someone flushed it down the toilet or something ...
I'd like to think that they spent the entire morning arguing about what the front cover for the manual should look like, before deciding to go to lunch and completely forgetting about it.
Ah, Ferrari in the late 80s-mid 90s sure was one interesting place to be
Re: The Marussia Thread
Posted: 16 Jul 2013, 10:21
by good_Ralf
dinizintheoven wrote:Williams, from here, will soon be announcing they've hired Flavio Briatore as an "image consultant" or similar, and their drivers for next year will be Tomas Enge and Johnny Cecotto Jr.
Your joking about the lineup aren't you?! If you are not we will have one of the most rejectful pairings in living memory! Williams' drivers will consist of a driver often without a superlicence who also has been found guilty of doping IIRC and possibly the most dangerous man in single-seater racing at the moment.
Re: The Marussia Thread
Posted: 16 Jul 2013, 10:46
by Londoner
Freeze-O-Kimi wrote:madmark1974 wrote:dinizintheoven wrote:Williams, from here, will soon be announcing they've hired Flavio Briatore as an "image consultant" or similar, and their drivers for next year will be Tomas Enge and Johnny Cecotto Jr.
Meanwhile, I'd give a word of caution to Marussia about the use of Ferrari engines and gearboxes. Remember when Minardi had a similar deal (which, given that it was 1991, most of you won't actually remember due to not being alive at the time)? They broke the bank to get hold of those powerplants, only to find that they didn't come with an instruction manual as to how to get the best out of them, or even anything approaching that mark...
Given Ferrari's performance themselves in 1991, I don't think an instruction manual ever existed ... or someone flushed it down the toilet or something ...
No Oh please No. Holy S*** NOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
good_Ralf wrote:dinizintheoven wrote:Williams, from here, will soon be announcing they've hired Flavio Briatore as an "image consultant" or similar, and their drivers for next year will be Tomas Enge and Johnny Cecotto Jr.
Your joking about the lineup aren't you?! If you are not we will have one of the most rejectful pairings in living memory! Williams' drivers will consist of a driver often without a superlicence who also has been found guilty of doping IIRC and possibly the most dangerous man in single-seater racing at the moment.
Oh dear. You two haven't actually taken that comment seriously, have you?
Of course, the sad thing to come out of all this is that there'll be no Cosworth-powered cars on the grid in 2014, and I assume that state of affairs will last for some considerable time, as I don't believe Cosworth are developing an engine to the new regulations.
Re: The Marussia Thread
Posted: 16 Jul 2013, 10:49
by TomWazzleshaw
East Londoner wrote:Of course, the sad thing to come out of all this is that there'll be no Cosworth-powered cars on the grid in 2014, and I assume that state of affairs will last for some considerable time, as I don't believe Cosworth are developing an engine to the new regulations.
Indeed. Cosworth decided it wasn't worth the expense developing an engine without a customer base to go with it.
Speaking of independent engine builders, whatever happened to Craig Cod and his mob over at PURE?
Re: The Marussia Thread
Posted: 16 Jul 2013, 10:52
by Alextrax52
East Londoner wrote:Freeze-O-Kimi wrote:madmark1974 wrote:Williams, from here, will soon be announcing they've hired Flavio Briatore as an "image consultant" or similar, and their drivers for next year will be Tomas Enge and Johnny Cecotto Jr.
Meanwhile, I'd give a word of caution to Marussia about the use of Ferrari engines and gearboxes. Remember when Minardi had a similar deal (which, given that it was 1991, most of you won't actually remember due to not being alive at the time)? They broke the bank to get hold of those powerplants, only to find that they didn't come with an instruction manual as to how to get the best out of them, or even anything approaching that mark...
No Oh please No. Holy S*** NOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Oh dear. You two haven't actually taken that comment seriously, have you?
Of course, the sad thing to come out of all this is that there'll be no Cosworth-powered cars on the grid in 2014, and I assume that state of affairs will last for some considerable time, as I don't believe Cosworth are developing an engine to the new regulations.
There were no Cosworth engines in between 2007-2009 either so it's no surprise
Re: The Marussia Thread
Posted: 16 Jul 2013, 14:00
by Salamander
Wizzie wrote:Speaking of independent engine builders, whatever happened to Craig Cod and his mob over at PURE?
They ran out of money a few months ago.
Re: The Marussia Thread
Posted: 16 Jul 2013, 18:09
by mario
good_Ralf wrote:dinizintheoven wrote:Williams, from here, will soon be announcing they've hired Flavio Briatore as an "image consultant" or similar, and their drivers for next year will be Tomas Enge and Johnny Cecotto Jr.
Meanwhile, I'd give a word of caution to Marussia about the use of Ferrari engines and gearboxes. Remember when Minardi had a similar deal (which, given that it was 1991, most of you won't actually remember due to not being alive at the time)? They broke the bank to get hold of those powerplants, only to find that they didn't come with an instruction manual as to how to get the best out of them, or even anything approaching that mark...
When Spyker and Force India were new to the grid, they were powered by Ferrari engines and they were often the worst cars on the grid. Also Toro Rosso do the same thing and only Vettel has been able do much with it. With that in mind and Pat Symonds departing, Marussia could find themselves dead last again next year if they're not careful. If Bianchi is staying on a situation like that that could destroy his F1 career.
In the case of Spyker, though, I would argue that was probably more down to the fact that Spyker F1 was making quite heavy losses at a time when the parent company was making even heavier losses (and continues to make losses), so the team was fairly short on funds.
As for Force India's car, the VJM01 was a modified Spyker F8-VIIB, a car that wasn't especially competitive to begin with, that was updated to the 2008 regulation package whilst the team focussed their efforts on the new regulations for 2009. To a certain extent, the team was still suffering from something of the hangover from Spyker's debts - there is a suggestion that the reason why the team allowed Fisichella to drive for Ferrari was the money from buying out his contract could then be used to pay off their debts to Ferrari from 2008 - so the car as a whole was knowingly underdeveloped.
As for Toro Rosso, well, that is a bit more of a mixed bag - the team as a whole, although a bit better funded, was partially depleted when Red Bull took over, with the parent team bringing a number of mechanics and engineers from the junior to the senior team at the same time as Vettel. Equally, whilst the team is financially stable, it is run on a reasonably modest budget, probably comparable to Williams, with the parent company soaking up most of the money. That said, the support from the Ferrari team should be better these days since the regulations make it compulsory for the teams to offer an equal spec engine to their customers (Minardi had to make do with a slightly older specification engine, IIRC, in 1991) and there is greater pressure on engine manufacturers to offer support.
The overall balance of performance between the current V8's, as they now stand, appears to be fairly even due to the regulations - Ferrari were slightly weaker than Mercedes in terms of power (though more powerful than Renault) and slightly thirstier than Renault (probably comparable to Mercedes), but the gap seems to have narrowed over the last year or two. That said, the Ferrari engine is probably not the best package out there - the Renault or Mercedes engines are better in certain areas, with Ferrari's engine being a bit more in the middle.
There is also another reason why Marussia would be interested in the Ferrari turbo engine, though, which is price - Renault are reportedly charging quite a premium for their engines, with Mercedes in the middle of the range and Ferrari being cheapest (the indication is Ferrari are charging $15-18 million, Mercedes $21-23 million and Renault $23-26 million). Given the financial pressure the team is under, the Ferrari engine would be attractive on price terms alone and, with the regulations being quite tight, the performance difference is unlikely to be massive.
The bigger question, though, is what impact Symonds's departure to Williams will have - he has been a fairly influential figure at Marussia and been fairly active in their turnaround, and it is going to be hard for an outfit of their size to be able to lure in a similarly high profile figure to replace him.
Re: The Marussia Thread
Posted: 20 Aug 2013, 17:04
by Jocke1
John Booth, Marussia team principal
The challenge begins again this weekend in Spa at what is a favourite destination for our Team and the fans.
There we will have some new suspension parts and brakes to evaluate and, as ever, consistent progress during the course of the weekend and a two-car finish ahead of our nearest competitors are the target outcomes.
New stuff, yeah! Points this Sunday, my friends.
Re: The Marussia Thread
Posted: 20 Aug 2013, 18:43
by UncreativeUsername37
John Booth wrote:consistent progress during the course of the weekend and a two-car finish ahead of our nearest competitors are the target outcomes.
What's wrong with just saying Caterham?
Re: The Marussia Thread
Posted: 20 Aug 2013, 21:50
by Aerospeed
UgncreativeUsergname wrote:John Booth wrote:consistent progress during the course of the weekend and a two-car finish ahead of our nearest competitors are the target outcomes.
What's wrong with just saying Caterham?
I think they have Sauber in their crosshairs, given the recent news...
Re: The Marussia Thread
Posted: 02 Oct 2013, 20:26
by good_Ralf
Re: The Marussia Thread
Posted: 22 Feb 2014, 15:59
by Jocke1
Watching Sky today, I just had to pause at this awesome square-off.
Re: The Marussia Thread
Posted: 07 Apr 2014, 10:30
by solarcold
Some news from Russia.
Marussia Motors is shut down, all of the staff is fired without pay for at least last two months. No more info available yet.
Re: The Marussia Thread
Posted: 07 Apr 2014, 10:34
by AustralianStig
solarcold wrote:Some news from Russia.
Marussia Motors is shut down, all of the staff is fired.
Source?
Re: The Marussia Thread
Posted: 07 Apr 2014, 10:36
by solarcold
AustralianStig wrote:solarcold wrote:Some news from Russia.
Marussia Motors is shut down, all of the staff is fired.
Source?
only autosport.com.ru and other russian-language websites as of now.
http://autosport.com.ru/news/id/11837one of the staff members shared this farewell photo.
Here's wondering what's gonna happen to the team if this is true. I do realise their links to Marussia used to be very vague, but as the core company plainly does not exist anymore, will they keep bearing it's name, colors and Russian license?
Re: The Marussia Thread
Posted: 07 Apr 2014, 11:03
by solarcold
UPDATE: The very source of this info is a forum message, supposedly written by a member of the company's staff.
Here's the rough translation.
Marussia's over.
Staff is fired (no salary for last 2 months), some of them transferring to NAMI (Central Scientific Research Auto Motor Institute).
They say, Fomenko *** up his relations with "Cortage" (a company Marussia previously had an agreement with), and there were no investments since last year - money are gone.
Re: The Marussia Thread
Posted: 08 Apr 2014, 13:03
by Shizuka
Any updates on this? Nothing English came up for me about this on Google in the morning.
Re: The Marussia Thread
Posted: 08 Apr 2014, 13:45
by solarcold
I'll keep updating here once I get new info
UPD: Okay, Russian TV news suggest that officially Marussia still exists as a brand, but all the engineers and staff are fired or transferred to aforementioned NAMI, so that's pretty complicated, but really sounds like an end to Marussia Motors to me.
Re: The Marussia Thread
Posted: 08 Apr 2014, 18:32
by Aerospeed
Seems like we're talking about Marussia the car manufacturer, not Marussia the F1 Team. However, this could mean another rebranding for the team - Manor GP anyone?
Re: The Marussia Thread
Posted: 08 Apr 2014, 20:25
by dinizintheoven
I know I've said it before: as it was with Spyker, who actually buys Marussia's road cars?
Nobody, it seems. What happens now?
Re: The Marussia Thread
Posted: 08 Apr 2014, 20:32
by AndreaModa
I think the important thing to bear in mind is that the only link between the F1 team and car manufacturer, as far as I'm aware, is the boss. If he still has capital (because let's be honest, Marussia Motors would have been breaking even at best) then I can't see the F1 team threatened in the short term. Longer term, i.e. 2015 and onwards, I suspect he'll either offload it entirely or look for a partner or new backer. Either way it will be interesting to see how it develops because they have the infrastructure and organisation all behind it now. This is no HRT.
Re: The Marussia Thread
Posted: 08 Apr 2014, 20:34
by Jocke1
dinizintheoven wrote: What happens now?
http://youtu.be/dILTibQ-FBc
Re: The Marussia Thread
Posted: 08 Apr 2014, 21:01
by Wallio
http://motorsportstalk.nbcsports.com/20 ... ownership/Marussia has been sold to.... Marussia. Wtf? This just keeps getting weirder.
dinizintheoven wrote:I know I've said it before: as it was with Spyker, who actually buys Marussia's road cars?
Nobody, it seems. What happens now?
Believe it or not Spyker's sold moderately well, I have been lucky enough to see three in person in my life. Plus they are in games like GT and Forza (don't underestimate this, TVR 's sales went through the roof after GT2, so much so they NEVER charged a license fee again). Plus they raced at LE Mans and in the ALMS.
Marussia aside from F1 and their ARCA REMAX team (of all things) has no presence....anywhere really.
Re: The Marussia Thread
Posted: 09 Apr 2014, 04:18
by solarcold
During years of its existence, Marussia has actually sold FOUR cars.
Re: The Marussia Thread
Posted: 09 Apr 2014, 12:26
by watka
solarcold wrote:During years of its existence, Marussia has actually sold FOUR cars.
They were probably bought by Zoran Stefanovic.
Re: The Marussia Thread
Posted: 10 Apr 2014, 16:57
by dr-baker
watka wrote:solarcold wrote:During years of its existence, Marussia has actually sold FOUR cars.
They were probably bought by Zoran Stefanovic.
Four cars? Is that all? Makes DeLorean look like a real success story! After Spyker and Marussia, I'm wondering if DeLorean might have tried the motorsport/F1 branding route if they were around in the 21st century?
Re: The Marussia Thread
Posted: 10 Apr 2014, 17:50
by Wallio
dr-baker wrote:watka wrote:solarcold wrote:During years of its existence, Marussia has actually sold FOUR cars.
They were probably bought by Zoran Stefanovic.
Four cars? Is that all? Makes DeLorean look like a real success story! After Spyker and Marussia, I'm wondering if DeLorean might have tried the motorsport/F1 branding route if they were around in the 21st century?
Sigh, why must everyone pick on DMC based on myths and half-truths?
And John Z's project before he died was watches. Google "Delorean Time".
Re: The Marussia Thread
Posted: 10 Apr 2014, 19:13
by dr-baker
Wallio wrote:dr-baker wrote:Four cars? Is that all? Makes DeLorean look like a real success story! After Spyker and Marussia, I'm wondering if DeLorean might have tried the motorsport/F1 branding route if they were around in the 21st century?
Sigh, why must everyone pick on DMC based on myths and half-truths?
And John Z's project before he died was watches. Google "Delorean Time".
Hey, if I ever were to have a second car, a DeLorean would be it. And selling 9000 or so cars IS a real success story compared to selling just FOUR cars. Plus, I know of a DeLorean specialist just five miles from my parents in Essex, in S-E England, so I know where I'll be buying mine from, given the opportunity.
Re: The Marussia Thread
Posted: 10 Apr 2014, 19:28
by Wallio
dr-baker wrote:Wallio wrote:dr-baker wrote:Four cars? Is that all? Makes DeLorean look like a real success story! After Spyker and Marussia, I'm wondering if DeLorean might have tried the motorsport/F1 branding route if they were around in the 21st century?
Sigh, why must everyone pick on DMC based on myths and half-truths?
And John Z's project before he died was watches. Google "Delorean Time".
Hey, if I ever were to have a second car, a DeLorean would be it. And selling 9000 or so cars IS a real success story compared to selling just FOUR cars. Plus, I know of a DeLorean specialist just five miles from my parents in Essex, in S-E England, so I know where I'll be buying mine from, given the opportunity.
Ok then, fair enough, I withdraw my statement. It's just so frustrating fighting the myths that are out there.
Re: The Marussia Thread
Posted: 10 Apr 2014, 22:26
by AustralianStig
dr-baker wrote:watka wrote:solarcold wrote:During years of its existence, Marussia has actually sold FOUR cars.
They were probably bought by Zoran Stefanovic.
Four cars? Is that all? Makes DeLorean look like a real success story! After Spyker and Marussia, I'm wondering if DeLorean might have tried the motorsport/F1 branding route if they were around in the 21st century?
DeLorean F1...yes that's a good name for a team!
Please, 2015?
Re: The Marussia Thread
Posted: 10 Apr 2014, 23:11
by Cynon
DeLorean might have to go back to the future with their driving lineup... HWNSNBM, anyone?
Re: The Marussia Thread
Posted: 11 Apr 2014, 11:48
by dr-baker
Cynon wrote:DeLorean might have to go back to the future with their driving lineup... HWNSNBM, anyone?
Then he will have broken the record currently held by Jan Lammers and almost broken by Luca Badoer - longest time between GP entries! YES!
Re: The Marussia Thread
Posted: 28 May 2014, 19:38
by Jocke1
Re: The Marussia Thread
Posted: 08 Jun 2014, 21:52
by Jocke1
FullMetalJack wrote:NOOOOOOO!!!!!!
Mexicola wrote:CHILTON IS GONE OH GOD
Freeze-O-Kimi wrote:Oh dear both Marussia's out of the race already. That's Max's fault I'm afraid.
Seems like Max had some previous practice of the very scenario that occured
today in Montreal;
http://youtu.be/iGxGstNf4tU?t=3m19s
Re: The Marussia Thread
Posted: 24 Jul 2014, 15:46
by AndreaModa
Good news for Alexander Rossi fans!
He's back as a reserve driver...with Marussia!
http://www.marussiaf1team.com/news/1009/
Re: The Marussia Thread
Posted: 24 Jul 2014, 15:52
by Wallio
Just saw the post on his Facebook. I don't know what I'm more looking forward to, him in a Marussia, or this forum exploding with rage that he's back. Honestly, its a toss up.
Re: The Marussia Thread
Posted: 24 Jul 2014, 15:55
by DanielPT
Wallio wrote:Just saw the post on his Facebook. I don't know what I'm more looking forward to, him in a Marussia, or this forum exploding with rage that he's back. Honestly, its a toss up.
Explode? Why explode? I am completely cool with it. Good luck for the bloke during his foray into the test driver world of F1.
Re: The Marussia Thread
Posted: 24 Jul 2014, 16:01
by Pointrox
It's odd to see him with overalls other than green
Good for him, I guess. With Caterham skating on thin ice he'll be better off with Marussia.