Predicament Predictions - 2010 Bahrain Grand Prix

[CarlosFerreira]

I don't know how it happened. No clue whatsoever.

The large dollop of money which landed in Wizzie's account would have nothing to do with it, would it?

[thehemogoblin]

I don't know how it happened. No clue whatsoever.

The large dollop of money which landed in Wizzie's account would have nothing to do with it, would it?

*college student*

[Enforcer]

Slow game in the first few races for me... I'll blitz the 2nd half of the season.

(I had to say Senna instead of Chandhok to be different didn't I?)

[tristan1117]

I don't know how it happened. No clue whatsoever.

I have no idea how that happened either. I made my picks a week before the race. I didn't even know where my name was when I first saw the results were posted because I thought it would be at the bottom somewhere.

[Bleu]

You should correct the positions.

1st, 2nd, 3rd, 7th, 8th, 11th, 19th, 21st, 26th, 31st, 34th, 39th, 40th, 41st.

[Phoenix]

Wizzie, do you think that for being the organizer you have any right to be ahead of me with the same amount of points? Whole Spanish Press is gonna make their statements soon...

[Whole Spanish Press]

Do you reckon Ferrari are losing it, or that their pace in testing was a fake?

Also, I have it in for Spain. I'm sick of the way they assume the only reason anyone will watch the races is to see who comes second.

Press Statement:

That's totally unfair from your part: After Alonso crossed the finish line, we did care a dime who was second.





... Damn family friendly forum!!

[Whole Spanish Press]

Wizzie, do you think that for being the organizer you have any right to be ahead of me with the same amount of points? Whole Spanish Press is gonna make their statements soon...

Someone explain to me what is going on?

And Whole Spanish Press Webber in 7th won't appease us. Now get us a shrubbery or you'll never leave this forum... ALIVE!

Oh.. Still interested in that 7th? . Did you see that pluming smoke on Webber's rear? that was a warning, dude. Keep your manners while dealing with the spanish press. D' ya hear us?

[TomWazzleshaw]

You should correct the positions.

1st, 2nd, 3rd, 7th, 8th, 11th, 19th, 21st, 26th, 31st, 34th, 39th, 40th, 41st.

I just find it easier to do it how I did it but I'll change it anyway if you insist

Wizzie, do you think that for being the organizer you have any right to be ahead of me with the same amount of points? Whole Spanish Press is gonna make their statements soon...

Ties are ordered in the order the predictions were posted.

Someone explain to me what is going on?

And Whole Spanish Press Webber in 7th won't appease us. Now get us a shrubbery or you'll never leave this forum... ALIVE!

Oh.. Still interested in that 7th? . Did you see that pluming smoke on Webber's rear? that was a warning, dude. Keep your manners while dealing with the spanish press. D' ya hear us?

Remember I have total authority over this championship... The outragous penalty button isn't out of reach you know

[RAK]

I'm happy enough, even if Sauber did let me down a lot. It's at least a position I can work from.

Bring on the Australian GP!

[CarlosFerreira]

Remember I have total authority over this championship... The outragous penalty button isn't out of reach you know

may I remind you, it is HWNSNBM who has the total authority over this championship.

[TomWazzleshaw]

Remember I have total authority over this championship... The outragous penalty button isn't out of reach you know

may I remind you, it is HWNSNBM who has the total authority over this championship.

That is correct. But he's only there just to make sure it's all fair and that I don't get too totalitarian or corrupt on this. I'm the one who actually runs this show

[Captain Hammer]

*Jenson Button isn't actually DBTMOTR. That honour would have fallen on Vitaly Petrov had his retirement not been mechanical related. As it was a mechanial issue that sidelined Petrov Button turned out to be the next dead beat so to speak and therefore he's DBTMOTR

How would Petrov have been a dead-beat team-mate? Because he qualified poorly in comparison to Kubica?

Vitaly Petrov was the biggest mover in the opening phase of the race: he gained five places from the start while Kubica lost twelve. He put a great pass on Pedro de la Rosa (unfortuantely, the cameras never caught it long enough for a replay) for eleventh, and at the time of his retirement, Petrov was zeroing in on Rubens Barrichello, and he was clearly faster than the Brazilian. He probably would have scored points on his debut, while Kubica would have been stuck outside the top ten. If anything, Kubica would have been DBTMOTR.

I also disagree with Button being the dead-beat: the difference between Mark Webber and Sebastian Vettel was bigger than the difference between Jenson Button and Lewis Hamilton for most of the race.

[CarlosFerreira]

Vitaly Petrov was the biggest mover in the opening phase of the race: he gained five places from the start while Kubica lost twelve. He put a great pass on Pedro de la Rosa (unfortuantely, the cameras never caught it long enough for a replay) for eleventh, and at the time of his retirement, Petrov was zeroing in on Rubens Barrichello, and he was clearly faster than the Brazilian. He probably would have scored points on his debut, while Kubica would have been stuck outside the top ten. If anything, Kubica would have been DBTMOTR.

In true reject fashion, Captain Hammer goes for the "don't get the facts get in the way of a good story" approach.

Seriously, are you Petrov's manager? Do you hold Lada shares?

Are you Vladimir Putin in disguise?

[Captain Hammer]

In true reject fashion, Captain Hammer goes for the "don't get the facts get in the way of a good story" approach.

Seriously, are you Petrov's manager? Do you hold Lada shares?

Are you Vladimir Putin in disguise?

Okay, assume for the moment that Vitaly Petrov had finished the race: why was he a worthy candidate for DBTMOTR? He would have been a) the highest-placed rookie driver at the end of the race, b) would have been challenging - if not outright passing - the single most experienced driver in the history of the sport, c) finishing ahead of his much higher-rated team mate and d) finshing just outside the points if not joining the elite club of drivers who scored on debut. The only mark against him would have been a mistake in qualifying that meant he started seventeenth - but even then, he was still in Q2 and beat four drivers who had more experienced than him.

I'm not seeing anything deadbeat about him ... unlike Karun Chandhok, who retired after three and a half minutes because he didn't do a track walk and consequently missed a bump; or Lucas di Grassi who retired shortly afterwards without making an impression; or Nico Hulkenberg who didn't see a corner and very nearly took Glock's Virgin out; or Kamui Kobayashi, who despite plenty of off-season potential didn't actually go anywhere but backwards. Vitaly Petrov was the only rookie driver who didn't blow it at all during the race. I think Martin Brundle was right in saying the Russian could be as exciting as Kobayashi was last season. The problem is that he's gotten a bad rap for being a pay driver.

[watka]

Can I just point out that Petrov was not DBTMOTR precisely because he retired with a mechanical issue. I'm sure he would have been sniffing around the points if he did finish, and no doubt he showed places of pace. I don't understand why you're getting on Kubica's back though because it's not his fault that he had to drive through a cloud of smoke on a full tank and cold tyres.

[CarlosFerreira]

Captain, I mentioned elsewhere that I thought Chandhok and his bump was a bit of an idiocy, so I agree with that bit, without holding it against poor Karun. I am not, however, buying you enthusiasm for Petrov. He was comprehensively annihilated by Kubica (I choose my words carefuly), and benefited from what was demonstrated to be a reasonably good car. What's more, he benefited from others' problems to be in the situation you mention - namely the Webber smoke screen that dropped Sutil and Kubica (both of which came charging through the field) and Hulkenberg's tank slapper, which caused him to pit twice for tyres. Nor do I believe he would have passed Barrichello, but that's down to faith in the relative paces, I suppose. And finally, being the "best rookie" is easy when all the others are either in cars which fail both in pace and reliability (di Grassi, both Hispanias, Cowboy-ashi) or running out of road and fresh underwear (Hulk).

In short, I agree Petrov is a decent driver, and that he's no Deletraz. He is still a pay driver, and needs to prove he'd have a place were it not for sponsorship money and the Lada-Putin connection there somewhere. As for the DBTM award, it is as much a function of Petrov's lack of pace compared to Kubica (which I insist he showed) as a result of the criteria chosen to decide on the trophy.

[watka]

Captain, I mentioned elsewhere that I thought Chandhok and his bump was a bit of an idiocy, so I agree with that bit, without holding it against poor Karun. I am not, however, buying you enthusiasm for Petrov. He was comprehensively annihilated by Kubica (I choose my words carefuly), and benefited from what was demonstrated to be a reasonably good car. What's more, he benefited from others' problems to be in the situation you mention - namely the Webber smoke screen that dropped Sutil and Kubica (both of which came charging through the field) and Hulkenberg's tank slapper, which caused him to pit twice for tyres. Nor do I believe he would have passed Barrichello, but that's down to faith in the relative paces, I suppose. And finally, being the "best rookie" is easy when all the others are either in cars which fail both in pace and reliability (di Grassi, both Hispanias, Cowboy-ashi) or running out of road and fresh underwear (Hulk).

In short, I agree Petrov is a decent driver, and that he's no Deletraz. He is still a pay driver, and needs to prove he'd have a place were it not for sponsorship money and the Lada-Putin connection there somewhere. As for the DBTM award, it is as much a function of Petrov's lack of pace compared to Kubica (which I insist he showed) as a result of the criteria chosen to decide on the trophy.

Actually, the Captain was saying the exact same thing against Kobayashi last year.

[Waris]

Since ROTR and IIDOTR haven't been decided (by our Australian overlords) yet, shouldn't these results be provisional? Also, on a personal note: Dammit, if I hadn't submitted late I would've been in joint 8th place now. Oh well.

[thehemogoblin]

Since ROTR and IIDOTR haven't been decided (by our Australian overlords) yet, shouldn't these results be provisional? Also, on a personal note: Dammit, if I hadn't submitted late I would've been in joint 8th place now. Oh well.

IIDOTR is Carlos's baby.

ROTR is Jamienoch.

[TomWazzleshaw]

Since ROTR and IIDOTR haven't been decided (by our Australian overlords) yet, shouldn't these results be provisional?

The results are provisional. The complete results will go here once Calros and the webmasters give me the rest of the stuff I need.

And Captain I'm pretty sure I made it clear at the first post that Only the order at the end of Q1 and the end of the Race count for DBTMOTR. Potential pace and pace shown count for anything if you're not up there in the finishing order. And I clearly mentioned the only thing that saved Petrov was a mechanical failure (In this case a suspension failure). Had Petrov's failure to finish been due to a driver error though then it would be a completely different story because it would be his own damn fault for binning it

[Captain Hammer]

Had Petrov's failure to finish been due to a driver error though then it would be a completely different story because it would be his own damn fault for binning it

Actually, even if it was a driver error - and Petrov believes it is - he would still have been exonerated. According to Renault, both drivers had the same mecahnical fault, but it stuck Petrov because he preferred a lower ride height to Kubica. Petrov believes that when he hit a kerb too hard, it caused the fault to manifest itself and force him out of the race. Kubica was spared because he ran with a higher ride height, and thus if he hit a kerb theway Petrov did, the suspension would not have been able to fail.

Also, I think it's foolish to simply consider Q1 and Q1 only. Say both Toro Rossos get through to Q2 and then Alguersuari does something stupid while Buemi advances to Q3. Alguersuari is let off the hook despite his case of deadbeatism.

[TomWazzleshaw]

Had Petrov's failure to finish been due to a driver error though then it would be a completely different story because it would be his own damn fault for binning it

Actually, even if it was a driver error - and Petrov believes it is - he would still have been exonerated. According to Renault, both drivers had the same mecahnical fault, but it stuck Petrov because he preferred a lower ride height to Kubica. Petrov believes that when he hit a kerb too hard, it caused the fault to manifest itself and force him out of the race. Kubica was spared because he ran with a higher ride height, and thus if he hit a kerb theway Petrov did, the suspension would not have been able to fail.

Also, I think it's foolish to simply consider Q1 and Q1 only. Say both Toro Rossos get through to Q2 and then Alguersuari does something stupid while Buemi advances to Q3. Alguersuari is let off the hook despite his case of deadbeatism.

The only problem is you possibly cannot compare Q2 and Q3 because a "straggler" would be eliminated in Q1 and therefore a fair comparison cannot be made.

[Captain Hammer]

The only problem is you possibly cannot compare Q2 and Q3 because a "straggler" would be eliminated in Q1 and therefore a fair comparison cannot be made.

Given that it's expected that the six new cars will be eliminated in Q1 for the better part of the season, I'd say the "stragger" who is the seventh and final car eliminated would make a pretty good candidate for deadbeatism (barring a mechanical failure, of course).

[TomWazzleshaw]

Liuzzi gets the gong for IIDOTR and it changes... absolutely nothing

[TomWazzleshaw]

ROTR has been decided and has changed nothing. Therefore in his first round participating Thehemogoblin wins and goes straight to the top of the standings.

[thehemogoblin]

ROTR has been decided and has changed nothing. Therefore in his first round participating Thehemogoblin wins and goes straight to the top of the standings.

Suck it, world.