James1978 wrote:Trying to get the rest of these rushed through now.....
Getting the older championships out of the way uses to be boring and that's why I started from the beginning... of course, you couldn't do that here
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Getting the older championships out of the way uses to be boring and that's why I started from the beginning... of course, you couldn't do that here
Go home, Bernie Ecclestone!
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Ferrim wrote:James1978 wrote:Trying to get the rest of these rushed through now.....
Getting the older championships out of the way uses to be boring and that's why I started from the beginning... of course, you couldn't do that here
It's mainly because I know hardly anything about the 60s!! And I know I'll struggle with shared drives/points for fastest laps/Indy 500s in the 50s but there you go.....
Anyway:
1964
Lorenzo Bandini 39 (3 wins, 2 2nd)
Richie Ginther 35 (41) (1 win, 3 2nd, 2 3rd)
Bruce McLaren 26 (2 wins)
Dan Gurney 22 (2 wins, 1 3rd)
Peter Arundell 22 (1 win, 2 2nd)
Jo Siffert 17 (1 win, 1 2nd)
Bob Anderson 14 (3 3rd)
Phil Hill 10 (1 2nd)
Mike Spence 9 (1 3rd)
Chris Amon 6 (1 2nd)
Jo Bonnier 6 (1 3rd)
Tony Maggs 6 (2 4th)
Trevor Taylor 6 (2 4th)
Innes Ireland 6 (1 4th)
Mike Hailwood 6 (1 4th) (I always thought he was only in F1 in the early-mid 70s!!)
Maurice Trintignant 4 (1 3rd)
Walt Hansgen (sp?) 4 (1 3rd)
Pedro Rodriguez 3 (1 4th)
Giancarlo Baghetti 2 (1 5th)
It was six best scores from 10 races. Sadly for Ginther he scored in 9 races, but had to drop three lower points finishes, which gave title to Bandini who was more hit-and-miss!!
"Poor old Warwick takes it from behind all throughout this season". 
(Tony Jardine, 1988)
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1963
Richie Ginther 54 (62) (6 wins)
Dan Gurney 34 (2 wins, 2 2nd, 1 3rd)
Bruce McLaren 28 (1 win, 3 2nd)
Tony Maggs 22 (1 win, 1 3rd)
Jo Bonnier 21 (23) (1 2nd, 1 3rd)
Jim Hall 16 (1 2nd, 1 3rd)
Innes Ireland 11 (1 2nd, 1 3rd)
Carel Godin De Beaufort 9 (1 2nd)
Jo Siffert 8 (1 3rd)
Chris Amon 7 (1 3rd)
Trevor Taylor 7 (1 4th)
Gerhard Mitter 6 (1 2nd)
Peter Broeker 4 (1 3rd)
Mike Hailwood 3 (1 4th)
Hap Sharp 3 (1 4th)
Ludovico Scarfiotti 3 (1 4th)
Maurice Trintignant 2 (1 5th)
John Love 1 (1 6th)
Ginther does it in style with a perfect score, forget the dropped scores rule this time!!! Also, Tony Maggs wins a race, I confess to having never heard of him before I did this!!
Richie Ginther 54 (62) (6 wins)
Dan Gurney 34 (2 wins, 2 2nd, 1 3rd)
Bruce McLaren 28 (1 win, 3 2nd)
Tony Maggs 22 (1 win, 1 3rd)
Jo Bonnier 21 (23) (1 2nd, 1 3rd)
Jim Hall 16 (1 2nd, 1 3rd)
Innes Ireland 11 (1 2nd, 1 3rd)
Carel Godin De Beaufort 9 (1 2nd)
Jo Siffert 8 (1 3rd)
Chris Amon 7 (1 3rd)
Trevor Taylor 7 (1 4th)
Gerhard Mitter 6 (1 2nd)
Peter Broeker 4 (1 3rd)
Mike Hailwood 3 (1 4th)
Hap Sharp 3 (1 4th)
Ludovico Scarfiotti 3 (1 4th)
Maurice Trintignant 2 (1 5th)
John Love 1 (1 6th)
Ginther does it in style with a perfect score, forget the dropped scores rule this time!!! Also, Tony Maggs wins a race, I confess to having never heard of him before I did this!!
"Poor old Warwick takes it from behind all throughout this season". (Tony Jardine, 1988)
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1962
Bruce McLaren 45 (55) (5 wins)
Dan Gurney 26 (2 wins, 1 2nd)
Tony Maggs 24 (28) (3 2nd)
Phil Hill 21 (1 win, 2 2nd)
Trevor Taylor 13 (1 win)
Jo Bonnier 11 (1 3rd)
Ricardo Rodriguez 10 (1 2nd, 1 3rd)
Willy Mairesse 9 (1 2nd)
Giancarlo Baghetti 9 (2 3rd)
Carel Godin De Beaufort 9 (1 3rd)
Masten Gregory 8 (2 3rd)
Innes Ireland 6 (1 3rd)
Maurice Trintignant 5 (1 4th)
Neville Lederle 3 (1 4th) - unrejectification!
Lucien Bianchi/John Love both 2 (1 5th)
Jo Siffert/Jackie Lewis/Nino Vaccarella/Roger Penske (!)/Bruce Johnstone all 1 (1 6th)
Best 5 scores to count from 9 races, so it's another champion with a perfect score!! Gurney gets his third runner-up spot! And another race-winner who I'd never heard of (Trevor Taylor)!!!!
Bruce McLaren 45 (55) (5 wins)
Dan Gurney 26 (2 wins, 1 2nd)
Tony Maggs 24 (28) (3 2nd)
Phil Hill 21 (1 win, 2 2nd)
Trevor Taylor 13 (1 win)
Jo Bonnier 11 (1 3rd)
Ricardo Rodriguez 10 (1 2nd, 1 3rd)
Willy Mairesse 9 (1 2nd)
Giancarlo Baghetti 9 (2 3rd)
Carel Godin De Beaufort 9 (1 3rd)
Masten Gregory 8 (2 3rd)
Innes Ireland 6 (1 3rd)
Maurice Trintignant 5 (1 4th)
Neville Lederle 3 (1 4th) - unrejectification!
Lucien Bianchi/John Love both 2 (1 5th)
Jo Siffert/Jackie Lewis/Nino Vaccarella/Roger Penske (!)/Bruce Johnstone all 1 (1 6th)
Best 5 scores to count from 9 races, so it's another champion with a perfect score!! Gurney gets his third runner-up spot! And another race-winner who I'd never heard of (Trevor Taylor)!!!!
"Poor old Warwick takes it from behind all throughout this season". (Tony Jardine, 1988)
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James1978 wrote:1962
Trevor Taylor 13 (1 win)
And another race-winner who I'd never heard of (Trevor Taylor)!!!!
I had only heard of Trevor Taylor because I once read that he was one of four Taylors to have entered the 1959 British Grand Prix, along with Dennis Taylor, Mike Taylor and Henry Taylor, none of whom were related to each other. He is also credited with inventing Lotus's yellow stripe.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trevor_Taylor
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Wow, respect!!
I do have a terrible lack of knowledge about the early days of F1 though. I mean De La Rosa and Sato won races in the early 00s in this format and I hardly raised an eyelid becuase I knew who they were!
I do have a terrible lack of knowledge about the early days of F1 though. I mean De La Rosa and Sato won races in the early 00s in this format and I hardly raised an eyelid becuase I knew who they were!
"Poor old Warwick takes it from behind all throughout this season". (Tony Jardine, 1988)
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To be honest, I don't know much about pre-1990's F1, I had to look that information up, but I knew what I was looking for because I had remembered reading it somewhere before.
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Re: The Backwards Elimination Alternative Championship
1961
Phil Hill 36 (41) (2 wins, 3 2nd)
Wolfgang von Trips 34 (2 wins, 2 2nd, 1 3rd)
Dan Gurney 24 (31) (3 2nd, 2 4th)
Stirling Moss 23 (2 wins, 1 3rd)
Innes Ireland 13 (1 win, 1 3rd)
Jo Bonnier 13 (1 3rd, 2 4th)
Tony Brooks 11 (1 3rd, 2 4th)
Giancarlo Baghetti 9 (1 win)
Roy Salvadori 8 (1 4th)
Jackie Lewis 6 (1 3rd)
Oliver Gendebien 4 (1 3rd)
Mauric Trintignant 2 (1 5th)
Roger Penske 2 (1 5th)
Cliff Allison 1 (1 6th)
Carel Godin De Beaufort 1 (1 6th)
Peter Ryan 1 (1 6th)
It was best 5 scores from 8 races. Hill almost lost due to the dropped scores! And yet again Gurney comes close. And Roger Penske is unrejectified!
Phil Hill 36 (41) (2 wins, 3 2nd)
Wolfgang von Trips 34 (2 wins, 2 2nd, 1 3rd)
Dan Gurney 24 (31) (3 2nd, 2 4th)
Stirling Moss 23 (2 wins, 1 3rd)
Innes Ireland 13 (1 win, 1 3rd)
Jo Bonnier 13 (1 3rd, 2 4th)
Tony Brooks 11 (1 3rd, 2 4th)
Giancarlo Baghetti 9 (1 win)
Roy Salvadori 8 (1 4th)
Jackie Lewis 6 (1 3rd)
Oliver Gendebien 4 (1 3rd)
Mauric Trintignant 2 (1 5th)
Roger Penske 2 (1 5th)
Cliff Allison 1 (1 6th)
Carel Godin De Beaufort 1 (1 6th)
Peter Ryan 1 (1 6th)
It was best 5 scores from 8 races. Hill almost lost due to the dropped scores! And yet again Gurney comes close. And Roger Penske is unrejectified!
"Poor old Warwick takes it from behind all throughout this season". (Tony Jardine, 1988)
(Tony Jardine, 1988)Re: The Backwards Elimination Alternative Championship
1960
Innes Ireland 31 (33) (2 wins, 1 2nd, 1 3rd)
Wolfgang von Trips 26 (28) (1 win, 3 3rd)
Stirling Moss 22 (2 wins, 1 2nd)
Olivier Gendebien 21 (2 wins)
Tony Brooks 18 (3 2nd)
Henry Taylor 12 (1 2nd)
Jo Bonnier 9 (2 3rd)
Cliff Allison 8 (1 win)
Jim Rathmann 8 (1 win)
Willy Mairesse 8 (1 win)
Maurice Trintignant 6 (1 2nd)
Rodger Ward 6 (1 2nd)
Lucien Bianchi 6 (1 2nd)
Giulio Cabianca 6 (1 2nd)
Carlos Menditeguy 4 (1 3rd)
Paul Goldsmith 4 (1 3rd)
Ron Flockhart 4 (1 3rd)
Don Branson 3 (1 4th)
Hans Hermann 3 (1 4th)
Roy Salvadori 3 (1 4th)
Johnny Thomson 2 (1 5th)
Carel Godin De Beaufort 2 (1 5th)
Bruce Halford 2 (1 5th)
Edgar Barth 2 (1 5th)
Eddie Johnson 1 (1 6th)
Masten Gregory 1 (1 6th)
Dan Gurney 1 (1 6th)
Piero Drogo 1 (1 6th)
Chuck Daigh 1 (1 6th)
You were right Ferrim!!! (I thought what? Ireland WDC????)
This is the last year of the Indy 500 counting towards the Championship but even with that there are a ridiculous number of drivers scoring! It's also back to 8 points for a win and best 6 scores from 10 races, only 2 drivers are affected by this.
And no I'm not working out the ties becuase most of those lower results were that drivers' only score!!! (They are listed in the order they scored in).
Innes Ireland 31 (33) (2 wins, 1 2nd, 1 3rd)
Wolfgang von Trips 26 (28) (1 win, 3 3rd)
Stirling Moss 22 (2 wins, 1 2nd)
Olivier Gendebien 21 (2 wins)
Tony Brooks 18 (3 2nd)
Henry Taylor 12 (1 2nd)
Jo Bonnier 9 (2 3rd)
Cliff Allison 8 (1 win)
Jim Rathmann 8 (1 win)
Willy Mairesse 8 (1 win)
Maurice Trintignant 6 (1 2nd)
Rodger Ward 6 (1 2nd)
Lucien Bianchi 6 (1 2nd)
Giulio Cabianca 6 (1 2nd)
Carlos Menditeguy 4 (1 3rd)
Paul Goldsmith 4 (1 3rd)
Ron Flockhart 4 (1 3rd)
Don Branson 3 (1 4th)
Hans Hermann 3 (1 4th)
Roy Salvadori 3 (1 4th)
Johnny Thomson 2 (1 5th)
Carel Godin De Beaufort 2 (1 5th)
Bruce Halford 2 (1 5th)
Edgar Barth 2 (1 5th)
Eddie Johnson 1 (1 6th)
Masten Gregory 1 (1 6th)
Dan Gurney 1 (1 6th)
Piero Drogo 1 (1 6th)
Chuck Daigh 1 (1 6th)
You were right Ferrim!!! (I thought what? Ireland WDC????)
This is the last year of the Indy 500 counting towards the Championship but even with that there are a ridiculous number of drivers scoring! It's also back to 8 points for a win and best 6 scores from 10 races, only 2 drivers are affected by this.
And no I'm not working out the ties becuase most of those lower results were that drivers' only score!!! (They are listed in the order they scored in).
"Poor old Warwick takes it from behind all throughout this season". (Tony Jardine, 1988)
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James1978 wrote:
You were right Ferrim!!! (I thought what? Ireland WDC????)
Go home, Bernie Ecclestone!
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Now back to no 6th place awarded, and a point for fastest lap. What I decided to do about the FL is award the point if the driver who got it is eligible, but not if they are eliminated, since I am using http://www.formula1.com/results/season/1959/ to get my results and that only says who got the FL and no others!
So:
1959
Tony Brooks 31 (3 wins, 1 2nd, 1 FL)
Stirling Moss 28 (3 wins, 4 FL)
Maurice Trintignant 26 (29) (1 win, 1 2nd, 1 3rd, 1 FL)
Dan Gurney 16 (2 2nd, 1 3rd)
Masten Gregory 14 (2 2nd)
Harry Schell 13 (1 2nd)
Jo Bonnier 11 (1 win)
Olivier Gendebien 9 (1 2nd)
Rodger Ward 8 (1 win)
Roy Salvadori 7 (1 3rd)
Jim Rathmann 6 (1 2nd)
Cliff Allison 6 (1 3rd)
Johnny Thomson 5 (1 3rd, 1 FL)
Jean Behra 4 (1 3rd)
Ron Flockhart 4 (1 3rd)
Wolfgang von Trips 4 (1 3rd)
Tony Bettenhausen 3 (1 4th)
Harry Blanchard 3 (1 4th)
Paul Goldsmith 2 (1 5th)
Giorgio Scarlatti 2 (1 5th)
Ian Burgess 2 (1 5th)
It was quite a close 3 way fight actually! I did actually think of one point Moss' fastest laps would win him it.
So:
1959
Tony Brooks 31 (3 wins, 1 2nd, 1 FL)
Stirling Moss 28 (3 wins, 4 FL)
Maurice Trintignant 26 (29) (1 win, 1 2nd, 1 3rd, 1 FL)
Dan Gurney 16 (2 2nd, 1 3rd)
Masten Gregory 14 (2 2nd)
Harry Schell 13 (1 2nd)
Jo Bonnier 11 (1 win)
Olivier Gendebien 9 (1 2nd)
Rodger Ward 8 (1 win)
Roy Salvadori 7 (1 3rd)
Jim Rathmann 6 (1 2nd)
Cliff Allison 6 (1 3rd)
Johnny Thomson 5 (1 3rd, 1 FL)
Jean Behra 4 (1 3rd)
Ron Flockhart 4 (1 3rd)
Wolfgang von Trips 4 (1 3rd)
Tony Bettenhausen 3 (1 4th)
Harry Blanchard 3 (1 4th)
Paul Goldsmith 2 (1 5th)
Giorgio Scarlatti 2 (1 5th)
Ian Burgess 2 (1 5th)
It was quite a close 3 way fight actually! I did actually think of one point Moss' fastest laps would win him it.
"Poor old Warwick takes it from behind all throughout this season". (Tony Jardine, 1988)
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I'm really starting to struggle now with fastest laps and stuff, but I THINK this is right!!
1958
Mike Hawthorn 46 (3 wins, 3 2nd, 3 FL)
Stirling Moss 41 (4 wins, 1 2nd, 4 FL)
Roy Salvadori 21 (1 win, 1 2nd, 1 3rd, 1 4th)
Harry Schell 17 (1 2nd)
Maurice Trintignant 14 (1 win, 1 2nd)
Peter Collins 14 (1 win, 1 3rd)
Stuart Lewis-Evans 13 (1 2nd, 1 3rd, 1 4th)
Cliff Allison 13 (2 3rd)
Luigi Musso 12 (2 2nd)
Wolfgang von Trips 10 (2 3rd)
Jean Behra 9 (1 3rd)
Jimmy Bryan 8 (1 win)
Juan Manuel Fangio 7 (2 4th, 1 FL)
George Amick 6 (1 2nd)
Jo Bonnier 4 (1 3rd)
Johnny Boyd 4 (1 3rd)
Tony Bettenhausen 4 (1 4th, 1 FL)
Jim Rathmann 2 (1 5th)
Olivier Gendebien 2 (1 5th)
Masten Gregory 2 (1 5th)
1958
Mike Hawthorn 46 (3 wins, 3 2nd, 3 FL)
Stirling Moss 41 (4 wins, 1 2nd, 4 FL)
Roy Salvadori 21 (1 win, 1 2nd, 1 3rd, 1 4th)
Harry Schell 17 (1 2nd)
Maurice Trintignant 14 (1 win, 1 2nd)
Peter Collins 14 (1 win, 1 3rd)
Stuart Lewis-Evans 13 (1 2nd, 1 3rd, 1 4th)
Cliff Allison 13 (2 3rd)
Luigi Musso 12 (2 2nd)
Wolfgang von Trips 10 (2 3rd)
Jean Behra 9 (1 3rd)
Jimmy Bryan 8 (1 win)
Juan Manuel Fangio 7 (2 4th, 1 FL)
George Amick 6 (1 2nd)
Jo Bonnier 4 (1 3rd)
Johnny Boyd 4 (1 3rd)
Tony Bettenhausen 4 (1 4th, 1 FL)
Jim Rathmann 2 (1 5th)
Olivier Gendebien 2 (1 5th)
Masten Gregory 2 (1 5th)
"Poor old Warwick takes it from behind all throughout this season". (Tony Jardine, 1988)
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One more for tonight, because I want to get this finished by Christmas!
For shared drives, I'm splitting the points of both drivers are eligible, but awarding the eligible driver full points if they share with someone eliminated!
1957
Juan Manuel Fangio 40 (46) (4 wins, 1 2nd, 2 FL)
Stirling Moss 30 (3 wins, 3 FL)
Luigi Musso 17 (2 2nd, 1 3rd, 1 FL)
Masten Gregory 12 (1 2nd)
Harry Schell 11 (1 3rd)
Peter Collins 10 (1 2nd, 1 3rd)
Jean Behra 10 (1 2nd)
Sam Hanks 8 (1 win)
Jim Rathmann 7 (1 2nd, 1 FL)
Maurice Trintignant 7 (1 3rd)
Stuart Lewis-Evans 6 (1 3rd)
Carlos Menditeguy 4 (1 3rd)
Jimmy Bryan 4 (1 3rd)
Wolfgang von Trips 4 (1 3rd)
Paul Russo 3 (1 4th)
Roy Salvadori 3 (1 4th)
Andy Linden 2 (1 5th)
Bob Gerard 2 (1 5th)
Alfonso de Portago/Jose Froilan Gonzalez/Giorgio Scarlatti 1 (all 1 shared 5th)
Pretty dominant from Fangio, very close to perfect score. The shared drives are really confusing me. Imagine if they did that now!
For shared drives, I'm splitting the points of both drivers are eligible, but awarding the eligible driver full points if they share with someone eliminated!
1957
Juan Manuel Fangio 40 (46) (4 wins, 1 2nd, 2 FL)
Stirling Moss 30 (3 wins, 3 FL)
Luigi Musso 17 (2 2nd, 1 3rd, 1 FL)
Masten Gregory 12 (1 2nd)
Harry Schell 11 (1 3rd)
Peter Collins 10 (1 2nd, 1 3rd)
Jean Behra 10 (1 2nd)
Sam Hanks 8 (1 win)
Jim Rathmann 7 (1 2nd, 1 FL)
Maurice Trintignant 7 (1 3rd)
Stuart Lewis-Evans 6 (1 3rd)
Carlos Menditeguy 4 (1 3rd)
Jimmy Bryan 4 (1 3rd)
Wolfgang von Trips 4 (1 3rd)
Paul Russo 3 (1 4th)
Roy Salvadori 3 (1 4th)
Andy Linden 2 (1 5th)
Bob Gerard 2 (1 5th)
Alfonso de Portago/Jose Froilan Gonzalez/Giorgio Scarlatti 1 (all 1 shared 5th)
Pretty dominant from Fangio, very close to perfect score. The shared drives are really confusing me. Imagine if they did that now!
"Poor old Warwick takes it from behind all throughout this season". (Tony Jardine, 1988)
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I double-checked this one becuase it's close, god I hate shared drives!
1956
Peter Collins 32 (3 wins*, 2 2nd)
Stirling Moss 29 (30.5) (3 wins)
Jean Behra 26 (3 2nd, 2 3rd)
Pat Flaherty 9 (1 win, 1 FL)
Eugenio Castelotti 9 (1 2nd)
Luigi Musso 8 (1 win)
Paco Godia 7 (1 3rd)
Sam Hanks 6 (1 2nd)
Paul Frere 6 (1 2nd)
Jack Fairman 6 (1 3rd)
Louis Rosier 5 (1 4th)
Alfonso de Portago 4 (1 win*)
Don Freeland 4 (1 3rd)
Ron Flockhart 4 (1 3rd)
Luigi Villoresi 4 (2 5th)
Cesare Perdisa 3.5 (1 3rd*)
Olivier Gendebien 3 (1 4th)
Johnnie Parsons 3 (1 4th)
Harry Schell 3 (1 4th)
Horace Gould 3 (1 4th)
Gerino Gerini 2 (1 3rd*)
Chico Landi 2 (1 3rd*)
Oscar Gonzalez 2 (1 5th)
Hernando da Silva Ramos 2 (1 5th)
Dick Rathmann 2 (1 5th)
I'm really glad the seasons were very short back then I must say!!
1956
Peter Collins 32 (3 wins*, 2 2nd)
Stirling Moss 29 (30.5) (3 wins)
Jean Behra 26 (3 2nd, 2 3rd)
Pat Flaherty 9 (1 win, 1 FL)
Eugenio Castelotti 9 (1 2nd)
Luigi Musso 8 (1 win)
Paco Godia 7 (1 3rd)
Sam Hanks 6 (1 2nd)
Paul Frere 6 (1 2nd)
Jack Fairman 6 (1 3rd)
Louis Rosier 5 (1 4th)
Alfonso de Portago 4 (1 win*)
Don Freeland 4 (1 3rd)
Ron Flockhart 4 (1 3rd)
Luigi Villoresi 4 (2 5th)
Cesare Perdisa 3.5 (1 3rd*)
Olivier Gendebien 3 (1 4th)
Johnnie Parsons 3 (1 4th)
Harry Schell 3 (1 4th)
Horace Gould 3 (1 4th)
Gerino Gerini 2 (1 3rd*)
Chico Landi 2 (1 3rd*)
Oscar Gonzalez 2 (1 5th)
Hernando da Silva Ramos 2 (1 5th)
Dick Rathmann 2 (1 5th)
I'm really glad the seasons were very short back then I must say!!
"Poor old Warwick takes it from behind all throughout this season". (Tony Jardine, 1988)
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The Argentine GP with different drivers sharing different cars confused the life out of me, and I'm also given up including the Indy 500 as none of the regular drivers scored in it anyway!
1955
Stirling Moss 27.33 (3 wins)
Eugenio Castelotti 17 (2 2nd)
Nino Farina 13.67 (1 2nd)
Piero Taruffi 13 (1 win)
Maurice Trintignant 12.67 (1 win)
Jean Behra 10.5 (1 3rd)
Roberto Mieres 9.5 (1 3rd)
Luigi Musso 9 (1 2nd)
Karl Kling 7.33 (1 2nd)
Jose Froilan Gonzalez 4.67 (some combo or other of sharing 2 cars in Argtina)
Paul Frere 4 (1 3rd)
Umberto Magioli 4 (2 5th)
Carlos Menditeguy 3 (1 4th)
Cesare Perdisa 2 (1 3rd shared)
Luigi Villoresi 2 (1 5th)
Hans Hermann 1.33 (1 3rd shared 3 ways?)
Harry Schell 1 (1 5th shared)
At last a championship for Moss! And it's not very close so no need to double check.
1955
Stirling Moss 27.33 (3 wins)
Eugenio Castelotti 17 (2 2nd)
Nino Farina 13.67 (1 2nd)
Piero Taruffi 13 (1 win)
Maurice Trintignant 12.67 (1 win)
Jean Behra 10.5 (1 3rd)
Roberto Mieres 9.5 (1 3rd)
Luigi Musso 9 (1 2nd)
Karl Kling 7.33 (1 2nd)
Jose Froilan Gonzalez 4.67 (some combo or other of sharing 2 cars in Argtina)
Paul Frere 4 (1 3rd)
Umberto Magioli 4 (2 5th)
Carlos Menditeguy 3 (1 4th)
Cesare Perdisa 2 (1 3rd shared)
Luigi Villoresi 2 (1 5th)
Hans Hermann 1.33 (1 3rd shared 3 ways?)
Harry Schell 1 (1 5th shared)
At last a championship for Moss! And it's not very close so no need to double check.
"Poor old Warwick takes it from behind all throughout this season". (Tony Jardine, 1988)
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1954
Jose Froilan Gonzalez 37 (3 wins)
Maurice Trintignant 26 (1 win)
Karl Kling 19 (1 win)
Hans Hermann 13 (2 2nd)
Roberto Mieres 13 (1 2nd)
Nino Farina 8 (1 win)
Luigi Musso 8 (1 win)
Sergio Mantovani 8 (2 4th)
Prince Bira 7 (1 3rd)
Robert Manzon 6 (1 2nd)
Onofre Marimon 6 (1 2nd)
Umberto Magioli 4 (1 win*)
Andre Pilette 4 (1 3rd)
Louis Rosier 4 (2 5th)
Elie Bayol 3 (1 4th)
Luigi Villoresi 3 (1 4th)
Fred Wacker 3 (1 4th)
Paco Godia 3 (1 4th)
Harry Schell 2 (1 5th)
Jean Behra 2 (1 5th)
Piero Taruffi 2 (1 5th)
Ken Wharton 2 (1 5th)
Alberto Acsari 1 (1 FL)
Again, Indy 500 not included for simplicity, none of the regular drivers were in it anyway!
Jose Froilan Gonzalez 37 (3 wins)
Maurice Trintignant 26 (1 win)
Karl Kling 19 (1 win)
Hans Hermann 13 (2 2nd)
Roberto Mieres 13 (1 2nd)
Nino Farina 8 (1 win)
Luigi Musso 8 (1 win)
Sergio Mantovani 8 (2 4th)
Prince Bira 7 (1 3rd)
Robert Manzon 6 (1 2nd)
Onofre Marimon 6 (1 2nd)
Umberto Magioli 4 (1 win*)
Andre Pilette 4 (1 3rd)
Louis Rosier 4 (2 5th)
Elie Bayol 3 (1 4th)
Luigi Villoresi 3 (1 4th)
Fred Wacker 3 (1 4th)
Paco Godia 3 (1 4th)
Harry Schell 2 (1 5th)
Jean Behra 2 (1 5th)
Piero Taruffi 2 (1 5th)
Ken Wharton 2 (1 5th)
Alberto Acsari 1 (1 FL)
Again, Indy 500 not included for simplicity, none of the regular drivers were in it anyway!
"Poor old Warwick takes it from behind all throughout this season". (Tony Jardine, 1988)
(Tony Jardine, 1988)Re: The Backwards Elimination Alternative Championship
1953
Alberto Ascari 35 (53) (4 wins, 3 FL) - 6 wins in total, 2 dropped!
Nino Farina 28 (40) (2 wins, 2 2nd)
Luigi Villoresi 22 (3 2nd, 1 3rd)
Felice Bonetto 18 (1 2nd, 3 3rd)
Toulo de Graffenried 13 (1 3rd, 3 34th)
Maurice Trintignant 9 (1 3rd)
Oscar Aflredo Galvez 4 (1 3rd)
Onofre Marimon 4 (1 3rd)
Jean Behra 3 (1 4th)
Prince Bira 3 (1 4th)
Jacques Swaters 3 (1 4th)
Hermann Lang 3 (1 4th)
Roberto Mieres 3 (1 4th)
Louis Rosier 2 (1 5th)
Ken Wharton 2 (1 5th)
Harry Schell 1 (1 5th*)
Sergio Mantovani 1 (1 5th*)
Luigi Musso 1 (1 5th*)
It was only best 4 scores to count, it didn't matter in terms of the championship but one more fastest lap would have given Ascari a perfect score.
Alberto Ascari 35 (53) (4 wins, 3 FL) - 6 wins in total, 2 dropped!
Nino Farina 28 (40) (2 wins, 2 2nd)
Luigi Villoresi 22 (3 2nd, 1 3rd)
Felice Bonetto 18 (1 2nd, 3 3rd)
Toulo de Graffenried 13 (1 3rd, 3 34th)
Maurice Trintignant 9 (1 3rd)
Oscar Aflredo Galvez 4 (1 3rd)
Onofre Marimon 4 (1 3rd)
Jean Behra 3 (1 4th)
Prince Bira 3 (1 4th)
Jacques Swaters 3 (1 4th)
Hermann Lang 3 (1 4th)
Roberto Mieres 3 (1 4th)
Louis Rosier 2 (1 5th)
Ken Wharton 2 (1 5th)
Harry Schell 1 (1 5th*)
Sergio Mantovani 1 (1 5th*)
Luigi Musso 1 (1 5th*)
It was only best 4 scores to count, it didn't matter in terms of the championship but one more fastest lap would have given Ascari a perfect score.
"Poor old Warwick takes it from behind all throughout this season". (Tony Jardine, 1988)
(Tony Jardine, 1988)Re: The Backwards Elimination Alternative Championship
1952
Nino Farina 32 (4 wins)
Piero Taruffi 27 (2 wins, 1 2nd, 1 3rd, 1 FL)
Luigi Villoresi 14 (1 win, 1 2nd)
Robert Manzon 14 (1 2nd, 2 3rd)
Rudi Fischer 12 (2 2nd)
Jean Behra 9 (1 3rd)
Dennis Poore 6 (1 2nd)
Maurice Trintignant 6 (2 4th)
Alan Brown 5 (1 4th)
Paul Frere 4 (1 3rd)
Eric Thompson 4 (1 3rd)
Felice Bonetto 4 (1 3rd)
Ken Wharton 3 (1 4th)
Andre Simon 3 (1 4th)
Charles de Tonaco 2 (1 5th)
Reg Parnell 2 (1 5th)
Roger Laurent 2 (1 5th)
Duncan Hamilton 2 (1 5th)
And it's another perfect score with only 4 to count (Indy 500 results exzcluded again for simplicity). This period really is dominated by Italy!
Should be able to get 1951 and 1950 done tomorrow.......
Nino Farina 32 (4 wins)
Piero Taruffi 27 (2 wins, 1 2nd, 1 3rd, 1 FL)
Luigi Villoresi 14 (1 win, 1 2nd)
Robert Manzon 14 (1 2nd, 2 3rd)
Rudi Fischer 12 (2 2nd)
Jean Behra 9 (1 3rd)
Dennis Poore 6 (1 2nd)
Maurice Trintignant 6 (2 4th)
Alan Brown 5 (1 4th)
Paul Frere 4 (1 3rd)
Eric Thompson 4 (1 3rd)
Felice Bonetto 4 (1 3rd)
Ken Wharton 3 (1 4th)
Andre Simon 3 (1 4th)
Charles de Tonaco 2 (1 5th)
Reg Parnell 2 (1 5th)
Roger Laurent 2 (1 5th)
Duncan Hamilton 2 (1 5th)
And it's another perfect score with only 4 to count (Indy 500 results exzcluded again for simplicity). This period really is dominated by Italy!
Should be able to get 1951 and 1950 done tomorrow.......
"Poor old Warwick takes it from behind all throughout this season". (Tony Jardine, 1988)
(Tony Jardine, 1988)Re: The Backwards Elimination Alternative Championship
And to finish, two in one go!!!!
1951
Luigi Villoresi 30 (36) (3 wins)
Felice Bonetto 22 (2 wins, 1 2nd)
Piero Taruffi 18 (1 win, 1 2nd, 1 3rd)
Louis Rosier 14 (16) (1 2nd, 1 3rd)
Toulo de Graffenried 10 (1 2nd, 1 3rd)
Consalvo Sanesi 9 (1 2nd)
Luigi Fagioli 8 (1 win)
Reg Parnell 8 (2 3rd)
Yves Giraud Cabantous 6 (1 3rd)
Louis Chiron 6 (2 4th)
Robert Manzon 5 (1 4th)
Rudi Fischer 4 (1 3rd)
Andre Pilette 3 (1 4th)
Andre Simon 3 (1 4th)
Philippe Etancelin 3 (1 4th)
Johnny Claes 2 (1 5th)
Peter Walker 2 (1 5th)
And to finish!!!!
1950
Luigi Fagioli 32 (38) (4 wins)
Louis Rosier 19 (2 2nd)
Louis Chiron 8 (1 win)
Dorino Serafini 8 (1 win)
Prince Bira 8 (2 3rd)
Reg Parnell 6 (1 2nd)
Raymond Sommer 6 (1 2nd)
Peter Whitehead 6 (1 2nd)
Bob Gerard 5 (1 4th)
Johnny Claes 5 (1 4th) - UNREJECTIFICATION!!!!!!
Philippe Etancelin 4.5 (2 4th, 1 shared)
Yves Giraud Cabantous 4 (1 3rd)
Pierre Levegh 4 (1 3rd)
Robert Manzon 4 (1 3rd)
Toulo de Graffenried 4 (2 5th)
Felice Bonetto 3 (1 4th)
Geoff Crossley 2 (1 5th)
Eugene Chaboud 1.5 (1 4th shared)
And that's it!!!!!
I confess I had very little knowledge of who Villoresi and Fagioli were before doing this (expect Fagioli featured the the Best 100 drivers article in F1 Racing magazine in early 2008, Sebastian Vettel was about #80 in it IIRC, he wouldn't be now!!).
I'll also shortly post a full summary of all the champions, nationalities and cars they drove!
1951
Luigi Villoresi 30 (36) (3 wins)
Felice Bonetto 22 (2 wins, 1 2nd)
Piero Taruffi 18 (1 win, 1 2nd, 1 3rd)
Louis Rosier 14 (16) (1 2nd, 1 3rd)
Toulo de Graffenried 10 (1 2nd, 1 3rd)
Consalvo Sanesi 9 (1 2nd)
Luigi Fagioli 8 (1 win)
Reg Parnell 8 (2 3rd)
Yves Giraud Cabantous 6 (1 3rd)
Louis Chiron 6 (2 4th)
Robert Manzon 5 (1 4th)
Rudi Fischer 4 (1 3rd)
Andre Pilette 3 (1 4th)
Andre Simon 3 (1 4th)
Philippe Etancelin 3 (1 4th)
Johnny Claes 2 (1 5th)
Peter Walker 2 (1 5th)
And to finish!!!!
1950
Luigi Fagioli 32 (38) (4 wins)
Louis Rosier 19 (2 2nd)
Louis Chiron 8 (1 win)
Dorino Serafini 8 (1 win)
Prince Bira 8 (2 3rd)
Reg Parnell 6 (1 2nd)
Raymond Sommer 6 (1 2nd)
Peter Whitehead 6 (1 2nd)
Bob Gerard 5 (1 4th)
Johnny Claes 5 (1 4th) - UNREJECTIFICATION!!!!!!
Philippe Etancelin 4.5 (2 4th, 1 shared)
Yves Giraud Cabantous 4 (1 3rd)
Pierre Levegh 4 (1 3rd)
Robert Manzon 4 (1 3rd)
Toulo de Graffenried 4 (2 5th)
Felice Bonetto 3 (1 4th)
Geoff Crossley 2 (1 5th)
Eugene Chaboud 1.5 (1 4th shared)
And that's it!!!!!
I confess I had very little knowledge of who Villoresi and Fagioli were before doing this (expect Fagioli featured the the Best 100 drivers article in F1 Racing magazine in early 2008, Sebastian Vettel was about #80 in it IIRC, he wouldn't be now!!).
I'll also shortly post a full summary of all the champions, nationalities and cars they drove!
"Poor old Warwick takes it from behind all throughout this season". (Tony Jardine, 1988)
(Tony Jardine, 1988)Re: The Backwards Elimination Alternative Championship
Full list of champions (backwards, of course!!)
2010: Sebastian Vettel GER Red Bull-Renault
2009: Jenson Button GBR Brawn-Mercedes
2008: Lewis Hamilton GBR McLaren-Mercedes
2007: Kimi Raikkonen FIN Ferrari
2006: Fernando Alonso ESP Renault
2005: Michael Schumacher GER Ferrari
2004: Rubens Barrichello BRA Ferrari
2003: Juan Pablo Montoya COL Williams-BMW
2002: Ralf Schumacher GER Williams-BMW
2001: David Coulthard GBR McLaren-Mercedes
2000: Mika Hakkinen FIN McLaren-Mercedes
1999: Eddie Irvine GBR Ferrari
1998: Jacques Villeneuve CAN Williams-Mecachrome
1997: Jean Alesi FRA Benetton-Renault
1996: Damon Hill GBR Williams-Renault
1995: Johnny Herbert GBR Benetton-Renault
1994: Gerhard Berger AUT Ferrari
1993: Alain Prost FRA Williams-Renault
1992: Nigel Mansell GBR Williams-Renault
1991: Ayrton Senna BRA McLaren-Honda
1990: Nelson Piquet BRA Benetton-Ford
1989: Riccardo Patrese ITA Williams-Renault
1988: Thierry Boutsen BEL Benetton-Ford
1987: Stefan Johansson SWE McLaren-TAG
1986: Keke Rosberg FIN McLaren-TAG
1985: Michele Alboreto ITA Ferrari
1984: Niki Lauda AUT McLaren-TAG
1983: Rene Arnoux FRA Ferrari
1982: John Watson GBR McLaren-Ford
1981: Carlos Reutemann ARG Williams-Ford
1980: Alan Jones AUS Williams-Ford
1979: Gilles Villeneuve CAN Ferrari
1978: Mario Andretti USA Lotus-Ford
1977: Jody Scheckter RSA Wolf-Ford
1976: James Hunt GBR McLaren-Ford
1975: Emerson Fittipaldi BRA McLaren-Ford
1974: Clay Regazzoni SWI Ferrari
1973: Jackie Stewart GBR Tyrrell-Ford
1972: Denny Hulme NZ McLaren-Ford
1971: Ronnie Peterson SWE March-Ford
1970: Jochen Rindt AUT Lotus-Ford
1969: Jacky Ickx BEL Brabham-Ford
1968: Graham Hill GBR Lotus-Ford
1967: Jack Brabham AUS Brabham-Repco
1966: John Surtees GBR Ferrari/Cooper-Maserati
1965: Jim Clark GBR Lotus-Climax
1964: Lorenzo Bandini ITA Ferrari
1963: Richie Ginther USA BRM
1962: Bruce McLaren NZ Cooper-Climax
1961: Phil Hill USA Ferrari
1960: Innes Ireland GBR Lotus-Climax
1959: Tony Brooks GBR Ferrari
1958: Mike Hawthorn GBR Ferrari
1957: Juan Manuel Fangio ARG Maserati
1956: Peter Collins GBR Ferrari
1955: Stirling Moss GBR Mercedes
1954: Jose Froilan Gonzalez ARG Ferrari
1953: Alberto Acsari ITA Ferrari
1952: Nino Farina ITA Ferrari
1951: Luigi Villoresi ITA Ferrari
1950: Luigi Fagioli ITA Alfa Romeo
2010: Sebastian Vettel GER Red Bull-Renault
2009: Jenson Button GBR Brawn-Mercedes
2008: Lewis Hamilton GBR McLaren-Mercedes
2007: Kimi Raikkonen FIN Ferrari
2006: Fernando Alonso ESP Renault
2005: Michael Schumacher GER Ferrari
2004: Rubens Barrichello BRA Ferrari
2003: Juan Pablo Montoya COL Williams-BMW
2002: Ralf Schumacher GER Williams-BMW
2001: David Coulthard GBR McLaren-Mercedes
2000: Mika Hakkinen FIN McLaren-Mercedes
1999: Eddie Irvine GBR Ferrari
1998: Jacques Villeneuve CAN Williams-Mecachrome
1997: Jean Alesi FRA Benetton-Renault
1996: Damon Hill GBR Williams-Renault
1995: Johnny Herbert GBR Benetton-Renault
1994: Gerhard Berger AUT Ferrari
1993: Alain Prost FRA Williams-Renault
1992: Nigel Mansell GBR Williams-Renault
1991: Ayrton Senna BRA McLaren-Honda
1990: Nelson Piquet BRA Benetton-Ford
1989: Riccardo Patrese ITA Williams-Renault
1988: Thierry Boutsen BEL Benetton-Ford
1987: Stefan Johansson SWE McLaren-TAG
1986: Keke Rosberg FIN McLaren-TAG
1985: Michele Alboreto ITA Ferrari
1984: Niki Lauda AUT McLaren-TAG
1983: Rene Arnoux FRA Ferrari
1982: John Watson GBR McLaren-Ford
1981: Carlos Reutemann ARG Williams-Ford
1980: Alan Jones AUS Williams-Ford
1979: Gilles Villeneuve CAN Ferrari
1978: Mario Andretti USA Lotus-Ford
1977: Jody Scheckter RSA Wolf-Ford
1976: James Hunt GBR McLaren-Ford
1975: Emerson Fittipaldi BRA McLaren-Ford
1974: Clay Regazzoni SWI Ferrari
1973: Jackie Stewart GBR Tyrrell-Ford
1972: Denny Hulme NZ McLaren-Ford
1971: Ronnie Peterson SWE March-Ford
1970: Jochen Rindt AUT Lotus-Ford
1969: Jacky Ickx BEL Brabham-Ford
1968: Graham Hill GBR Lotus-Ford
1967: Jack Brabham AUS Brabham-Repco
1966: John Surtees GBR Ferrari/Cooper-Maserati
1965: Jim Clark GBR Lotus-Climax
1964: Lorenzo Bandini ITA Ferrari
1963: Richie Ginther USA BRM
1962: Bruce McLaren NZ Cooper-Climax
1961: Phil Hill USA Ferrari
1960: Innes Ireland GBR Lotus-Climax
1959: Tony Brooks GBR Ferrari
1958: Mike Hawthorn GBR Ferrari
1957: Juan Manuel Fangio ARG Maserati
1956: Peter Collins GBR Ferrari
1955: Stirling Moss GBR Mercedes
1954: Jose Froilan Gonzalez ARG Ferrari
1953: Alberto Acsari ITA Ferrari
1952: Nino Farina ITA Ferrari
1951: Luigi Villoresi ITA Ferrari
1950: Luigi Fagioli ITA Alfa Romeo
"Poor old Warwick takes it from behind all throughout this season". (Tony Jardine, 1988)
(Tony Jardine, 1988)
Re: The Backwards Elimination Alternative Championship
James1978 wrote:Full list of champions (backwards, of course!!)
2010: Sebastian Vettel GER Red Bull-Renault
2009: Jenson Button GBR Brawn-Mercedes
2008: Lewis Hamilton GBR McLaren-Mercedes
2007: Kimi Raikkonen FIN Ferrari
2006: Fernando Alonso ESP Renault
2005: Michael Schumacher GER Ferrari
2004: Rubens Barrichello BRA Ferrari
2003: Juan Pablo Montoya COL Williams-BMW
2002: Ralf Schumacher GER Williams-BMW
2001: David Coulthard GBR McLaren-Mercedes
2000: Mika Hakkinen FIN McLaren-Mercedes
1999: Eddie Irvine GBR Ferrari
1998: Jacques Villeneuve CAN Williams-Mecachrome
1997: Jean Alesi FRA Benetton-Renault
1996: Damon Hill GBR Williams-Renault
1995: Johnny Herbert GBR Benetton-Renault
1994: Gerhard Berger AUT Ferrari
1993: Alain Prost FRA Williams-Renault
1992: Nigel Mansell GBR Williams-Renault
1991: Ayrton Senna BRA McLaren-Honda
1990: Nelson Piquet BRA Benetton-Ford
1989: Riccardo Patrese ITA Williams-Renault
1988: Thierry Boutsen BEL Benetton-Ford
1987: Stefan Johansson SWE McLaren-TAG
1986: Keke Rosberg FIN McLaren-TAG
1985: Michele Alboreto ITA Ferrari
1984: Niki Lauda AUT McLaren-TAG
1983: Rene Arnoux FRA Ferrari
1982: John Watson GBR McLaren-Ford
1981: Carlos Reutemann ARG Williams-Ford
1980: Alan Jones AUS Williams-Ford
1979: Gilles Villeneuve CAN Ferrari
1978: Mario Andretti USA Lotus-Ford
1977: Jody Scheckter RSA Wolf-Ford
1976: James Hunt GBR McLaren-Ford
1975: Emerson Fittipaldi BRA McLaren-Ford
1974: Clay Regazzoni SWI Ferrari
1973: Jackie Stewart GBR Tyrrell-Ford
1972: Denny Hulme NZ McLaren-Ford
1971: Ronnie Peterson SWE March-Ford
1970: Jochen Rindt AUT Lotus-Ford
1969: Jacky Ickx BEL Brabham-Ford
1968: Graham Hill GBR Lotus-Ford
1967: Jack Brabham AUS Brabham-Repco
1966: John Surtees GBR Ferrari/Cooper-Maserati
1965: Jim Clark GBR Lotus-Climax
1964: Lorenzo Bandini ITA Ferrari
1963: Richie Ginther USA BRM
1962: Bruce McLaren NZ Cooper-Climax
1961: Phil Hill USA Ferrari
1960: Innes Ireland GBR Lotus-Climax
1959: Tony Brooks GBR Ferrari
1958: Mike Hawthorn GBR Ferrari
1957: Juan Manuel Fangio ARG Maserati
1956: Peter Collins GBR Ferrari
1955: Stirling Moss GBR Mercedes
1954: Jose Froilan Gonzalez ARG Ferrari
1953: Alberto Acsari ITA Ferrari
1952: Nino Farina ITA Ferrari
1951: Luigi Villoresi ITA Ferrari
1950: Luigi Fagioli ITA Alfa Romeo
BOTH Villeneuve winning championships? And even Jacques winning in a Mecha-crap or whatever the heck you call it? HURRAH!
Moss WDC? HURRAH!
Bandini WDC? HURRAH!
Peterson WDC? HURRAH!
Johansson WDC? HURRAH!
You should do this for Constructor's.
Re: The Backwards Elimination Alternative Championship
Also Boutsen winning 1988 in a non-turbo was quite impressive too I feel.
1979 was the only time I can recall in this where a champion in real life who was eligible failed to win (Scheckter). The difference with this was that Jones who was dominant in the second half of the season was eliminated with his 1980 championship, and Villeneuve picked up most of his orphaned wins, enough to overhaul Scheckter with the 4 best scores rule!
I think if you do an elimination championship with constructors you will eventually have nobody eligible.
1979 was the only time I can recall in this where a champion in real life who was eligible failed to win (Scheckter). The difference with this was that Jones who was dominant in the second half of the season was eliminated with his 1980 championship, and Villeneuve picked up most of his orphaned wins, enough to overhaul Scheckter with the 4 best scores rule!
I think if you do an elimination championship with constructors you will eventually have nobody eligible.
"Poor old Warwick takes it from behind all throughout this season". (Tony Jardine, 1988)
(Tony Jardine, 1988)
Re: The Backwards Elimination Alternative Championship
James1978 wrote:I think if you do an elimination championship with constructors you will eventually have nobody eligible.
I was thinking constructors trophy where each team/engine combination could win. So Williams could have won with Cosworth (late 1970s/early 1980s), Honda (mid 1980s), Renault (probably their first year in 1989) ,BMW (2001) and Toyota (definately some year). They would have failed to win with Judds since McLaren was using Honda for the first year in 1988...
Re: The Backwards Elimination Alternative Championship
I was having a play around with this too, to see if "starting" with Vettel winning 2011 rather 2010 would produce any changes. Well eliminating Vettel from the 2010 season made Webber the 2010 champion and he never won in the original version of this, and unfortunately eliminating Webber from 2009 back to 2002 didn't produce any changes to the champions in the original version, but it did mean Alex Yoong got a podium at Melbourne 2002.
No point in continuing as once I got back to 2001 I was left with the same subset of eliminated drivers!
No point in continuing as once I got back to 2001 I was left with the same subset of eliminated drivers!
"Poor old Warwick takes it from behind all throughout this season". (Tony Jardine, 1988)
(Tony Jardine, 1988)Re: The Backwards Elimination Alternative Championship
I've been working on this with two different versions, one of which has The Finger winning the 2012 championship and the other with Alonso winning 2012 to see how things would change compared to the original version of this I did 2 years ago.
Without giving much away, by the time I get back to 2004, the same 9 drivers are champions but in a different order, so I merged the two championships together going back from 2003, and continue till I get the same drivers eliminated in each season the original version I did in 2010 - I've just completed 1998 and I can't stop laughing who that year's champion is.
Without giving much away, by the time I get back to 2004, the same 9 drivers are champions but in a different order, so I merged the two championships together going back from 2003, and continue till I get the same drivers eliminated in each season the original version I did in 2010 - I've just completed 1998 and I can't stop laughing who that year's champion is.
"Poor old Warwick takes it from behind all throughout this season". (Tony Jardine, 1988)
(Tony Jardine, 1988)Re: The Backwards Elimination Alternative Championship
James1978 wrote:I've been working on this with two different versions, one of which has The Finger winning the 2012 championship and the other with Alonso winning 2012 to see how things would change compared to the original version of this I did 2 years ago.
Without giving much away, by the time I get back to 2004, the same 9 drivers are champions but in a different order, so I merged the two championships together going back from 2003, and continue till I get the same drivers eliminated in each season the original version I did in 2010 - I've just completed 1998 and I can't stop laughing who that year's champion is.
My bad!! I had read 1989 instead of 1998 and was working all the way through until I found myself scratching my head because it reverted to the original version from 1993!!
As you can't stop laughing, I guess 1998 is not Hill, but someone like... Wurz? instead. In fact I'm sure it's Wurz. It all starts with Button out in 2011, therefore Barrichello being eliminated in 2009 instead of 2004, which handles Montoya, Ralf, Coulthard and Hakkinen by-default-titles. Then Villeneuve inherits 2000 and is out of 1998 which goes to Wurz (he was already 2nd in the original version of this).
Which is a pity, because with Hill out, 1996 would go to Berger and then 1994 suddenly becomes interesting. Looking at your earlier posts, it would be Verstappen -but he had just 10 races that season. Brundle is equal on points, but the McLaren was an unreliable crapbox. It's likely to be Frentzen, but Panis happened to be driving a bulletproof Ligier. Can you do 1994 without Berger (ie. 1994 without the top 6 + Coulthard), please?
Also, if we could get both Alonso and Vettel out of the way in 2012 and 2013, Button would follow in 2011, then Webber, Barrichello, Hamilton, Räikkönen, Schumacher M, Schumacher R (I hope! He was pretty close in 2005 already, without removing his brother), Montoya, Coulthard... and as we arrive to 2002, the entire top 7 is already out and we get a WDC for Heidfeld
In fact, for this to happen I guess it would suffice with both Vettel and Alonso winning one more title each at some point in the future.Go home, Bernie Ecclestone!
"There will be no other victory this year, I can tell you, more welcomed than this one" Bob Varsha, 1995 Canadian GP
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"There will be no other victory this year, I can tell you, more welcomed than this one" Bob Varsha, 1995 Canadian GP
F1 Rejects Forums – going off-topic since 2009!
Re: The Backwards Elimination Alternative Championship
I'll do the full list of both:
Version 1:
2012 Vettel
2011 Button
2010 Webber (yes he gains more than Alonso does)
2009 Barrichello
2008 Hamilton
2007 Raikkonen
2006 Alonso
2005 Ralf Schumacher (yes he beats Michael even with him still in - Ralf benefits loads from having Webber and Barrichello eliminated)
2004 Michael Schumacher of course
Version 2:
2012 Alonso
2011 Vettel
2010 Webber
2009 Button
2008 Hamilton
2007 Raikkonen
2006 M Schumacher
2005 R Schumacher
2004 Barrichello
Both versions:
2003 Montoya
2002 Coulthard
2001 Hakkinen
2000 Villeneuve
1999 Irvine
1998 Wurz (3 points ahead of Hill)
1997 Alesi still beats Frentzen by a point because only Wurz is out from the original version!
(1996 backwards is same as before)
Alex Wurz world champion.
Version 1:
2012 Vettel
2011 Button
2010 Webber (yes he gains more than Alonso does)
2009 Barrichello
2008 Hamilton
2007 Raikkonen
2006 Alonso
2005 Ralf Schumacher (yes he beats Michael even with him still in - Ralf benefits loads from having Webber and Barrichello eliminated)
2004 Michael Schumacher of course
Version 2:
2012 Alonso
2011 Vettel
2010 Webber
2009 Button
2008 Hamilton
2007 Raikkonen
2006 M Schumacher
2005 R Schumacher
2004 Barrichello
Both versions:
2003 Montoya
2002 Coulthard
2001 Hakkinen
2000 Villeneuve
1999 Irvine
1998 Wurz (3 points ahead of Hill)
1997 Alesi still beats Frentzen by a point because only Wurz is out from the original version!
(1996 backwards is same as before)
Alex Wurz world champion.
"Poor old Warwick takes it from behind all throughout this season". (Tony Jardine, 1988)
(Tony Jardine, 1988)Re: The Backwards Elimination Alternative Championship
And for Ferrim, I did continue to see what would have happened had Hill won 1998 rather than Wurz - first of all I had to check Alesi still beat Frentzen in 1997 and he did as Frentzen didn't gain anything from removing Hill. Then it was Berger in 1996 and Herbert in 1995, so for 1994 I eliminated all the top 6, Coulthard and Herbert too - and the winner was Frentzen with only 44 points (Brundle was 2nd with 40 and Panis 3rd with 38, then Verstappen with 34). Brundle would have been champion without his engine problem on the last lap in Hungary which lost him the win to Verstappen, the extra 4 points would have allowed him to beat Frentzen on most wins.
"Poor old Warwick takes it from behind all throughout this season". (Tony Jardine, 1988)
(Tony Jardine, 1988)