The Braden Walker Wrestling Thread

[TomWazzleshaw]

That Raw after Mania. Oh my god.

I'm not able to see it in Singapore due to time issues,but watching a few clips on YouTube,I could tell that the fans were as smarky as hell.Gonna be interesting when I tune in tonight.

New York/New Jersey crowds tend to be the best of the entire year if my reckoning is correct. Even Jerry and Michael couldn't help themselves by the end

[Klon]

New York/New Jersey crowds tend to be the best of the entire year if my reckoning is correct. Even Jerry and Michael couldn't help themselves by the end

Not to mention they also had the support of all those international fans that were there. Worked like a treat.

Speaking of working like a treat: unpopular opinion of mine is that that Cena promo to open the show was freaking brilliant. ("How about a little heel turn?"). Furthermore, I would like to inform you that there is a new legend in the making: it's the legend of FAN-DAN-GO!

[FullMetalJack]

Speaking of working like a treat: unpopular opinion of mine is that that Cena promo to open the show was freaking brilliant. ("How about a little heel turn?"). Furthermore, I would like to inform you that there is a new legend in the making: it's the legend of FAN-DAN-GO!

Cena's gimmick is basically being a troll, I will admit he's good at it.

The crowd was amazing, even Michael Cole got a chant.

Saying that, JBL should be getting those chants every single week. A 'We want Steiner' chant would be the only other thing that would have improved it.

[RealRacingRoots]

Speaking of working like a treat: unpopular opinion of mine is that that Cena promo to open the show was freaking brilliant. ("How about a little heel turn?"). Furthermore, I would like to inform you that there is a new legend in the making: it's the legend of FAN-DAN-GO!

Cena's gimmick is basically being a troll, I will admit he's good at it.

The crowd was amazing, even Michael Cole got a chant.

Saying that, JBL should be getting those chants every single week. A 'We want Steiner' chant would be the only other thing that would have improved it.

A tweet I saw last night after Raw made a good point, "so that's what a ROH would sound like if they drew 18k." What's even better is that Monday Night Raw is in London, England in 2 weeks. If Barrett got a great pop for getting back the belt yesterday, you can't imagine what it'll be like back home. I still got FANN-DANN-GO's theme in my head. Although one thing that was really cool that the crowd shut up to hear what Paul Heyman had to say. Amazing stuff. Now we'll see if Ryback turned heel, or...

[FullMetalJack]

I think I may have found the greatest video of all time.

[Ferrarist]

I think I may have found the greatest video of all time.

Steiner is god!

[TomWazzleshaw]

I think I may have found the greatest video of all time.

Steiner is god!

No, Foley is god. Steiner's a close second though

[gnrpoison]

On the subject of Scott Steiner, I remember how much of a technical wrestling god he was in the early 90s with his brother as a tag team before the Big Poppa Pump era so enjoy these vids.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xt4sFC9KTP8 amazing moves and skill to do these

My personal favourite, the Steiner Screwdriver, just love the sound the crowd makes when it hits. If you want the whole match I believe its the Steiner Brothers v Hiroshi Hase and Keiji Mutoh (The Great Muta)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kVQBy6zQgtc

Speaking of brilliant finishers here are the burning hammers of Kenta Kobashi
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9AfaATYmbpQ Enjoy

[Ferrarist]

As this thread isn't rejectful enough in my opinion, I decided to gather all rejectful moments WCW had in its lifetime. Now there is already a list like that on the internet, but I try to make an original list, instead copying something. So here we go:

- During Vince Russo's first stint as WCW Head Booker, a Pinata-on-a-pole-Match was held. The Pinata fell down after several seconds.
- At the same match, "Dr. Death" Steve Williams made a run-in, and attacked the luchadores in the ring. He ended up injuring several wrestlers for real.
- Vince Russo barely came up with original ideas at WCW, as he chose to recycle old WWF storylines instead. The infamous Oklahoma angle (Where Ed Ferrara was mocking J.R.) was a rehash of the "J.R. is Raw"-angle. Both angles also involved Steve Williams! Another angle involved turning Brad Armstrong, brother of then WWF wrestler Road Dogg, into an exact copy of his brother. Even Buzzkills theme was a blatant rip-off: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TCDQTkvlbdo (Although Buzzkill looks more like Dude Love, doesn't he?)
- Not to mention that "Vinnie Ru" turned himself into a sort-of expy of Vince McMahon, especially during his 2nd (or 3rd?) run at WCW. He even put the World Title on himself, for christ's sake!
- Before Vince Russo became head booker, Kevin Nash was basically in charge of the WCW product. One of his first actions, was to book the first hour of WCW Monday Nitro, WITHOUT ANY WRESTLING AT ALL! Worse, TNA would later recycle that concept in their show "TNA ReAction".
- And of course, Kevin Nash tended to bury any rising talent. For example, he (and Eric Bischoff) convinced Rey Mysterio to lose his mask. In exchange for that, Nash agreed to lose to Mysterio. But it was just Nash falling backwards after Mysterio punched him repeatedly, while Nash attempted to do the Jackknife Powerbomb on him. Rey still floundered on afterwards, before WWE resurrected his career. With his mask!
- Sting's WCW World Title reign in 97/98 ended at WCW Spring Stampede, when he lost his title to Randy Savage. Savage then lost the title to Hollywood Hogan the next day.
- WCW won out in a bidding war against the WWF for Dennis friggin' Rodman, thus making him appear at some WCW events. Not only that, but Rodman actually did two main events, which were both tag team matches alongside Hollywood Hogan. To be fair, the 1998 Bash at the Beach Main Event (Hogan/Rodman vs. DDP/Karl Malone) drew a huge buyrate, and garnered WCW a lot of publicity with the mainstream. However, Rodman actually completely unprofessional at the '98 event, as he's been heavily drinking prior to the event. Not only that, but he also fell over a couple of times, and he even fell asleep! Later on, Rodman would sue WCW for money...and was resigned in the summer of 1999, when he didn't bring any publicity at all.
- Obviously, WCW was trying to answer to the WWF's huge success with Mike Tyson.

TO BE CONTINUED

[Londoner]

Judy Bagwell on a Forklift match, WCW 2000. Either than or Vince Russo, WCW World Heavyweight Champion. Just...

And whilst all that shite was going on, the WWF was absolutely on fire...

Perhaps giving away Goldberg vs Hogan for free on Nitro in July 1998, when that match could have and would have made millions on PPV is another stupid moment.

[FullMetalJack]

Tony Schiavone revealing on Nitro that Mankind was winning the WWF title that night, thinking it would defer people from watching Raw Is War, but it had the reverse effect. To add insult to injury, the Fingerpoke Of Doom was the same night.

WCW was dead from then on. Even Big Poppa GOAT being champion couldn't save it.

[Ferrarist]

Oh, I forget this biggest rejectful moment of WCW:



Made slightly worse by the fact that Tony Schiavone was selling it like Hulk Hogan won the world title.

[Londoner]

Tony Schiavone revealing on Nitro that Mankind was winning the WWF title that night, thinking it would defer people from watching Raw Is War, but it had the reverse effect. To add insult to injury, the Fingerpoke Of Doom was the same night.

WCW was dead from then on. Even Big Poppa GOAT being champion couldn't save it.

I just watched that WWF match and I don't think I've ever heard a crowd react louder than the moment Stone Cold's music comes on. Bloody hell.

But yeah, WCW signed their own death warrant that night. A real shame.

[gnrpoison]

so how many of you loving the reject moments have ever visited wrestlecrap, my god who in the right mind thought some of those storylines were a good idea.

[TomWazzleshaw]

This is the greatest thing in the history of anything, ever

[Londoner]

I've been spending some time watching some Vince Russo-era WCW, to get an idea of just how bad it was, when I stumbled across this. There was a lot of crap in WCW's dying days, but that advert and storyline absolutely takes the biscuit. I am now convinced Russo was on drugs when he booked WCW in 2000.

If there is a positive about WCW in 2000, it is the fact that Nitro was so unpredictable, it made for compelling viewing, despite how awful the stuff actually was.

[Ferrarist]

I've been spending some time watching some Vince Russo-era WCW, to get an idea of just how bad it was, when I stumbled across this. There was a lot of crap in WCW's dying days, but that advert and storyline absolutely takes the biscuit. I am now convinced Russo was on drugs when he booked WCW in 2000.

If there is a positive about WCW in 2000, it is the fact that Nitro was so unpredictable, it made for compelling viewing, despite how awful the stuff actually was.

Nitro in 2000 was fun, if you were 9 years old like I was

But in hindsight, Russo wanted to turn WCW into a poor-man's WWF. At times, I really got the feeling that I was watching Raw from 1999, because the announcers were just talking about the WWF, too. Of course, given that WCW's main audience was in the south and given that they didn't really like "sports entertainment", it was bound to fail.

Some more bits of Russo's "idiocy":

- A match in the 1st tenure (Evan Karagias vs. Juventud Guerrera) saw Bret Hart making a run-in. No one (not even the wrestlers) was told that Bret was making such a run-in.
- One angle saw Roddy Piper feuding with Rhonda Singh (Who had a different name in WCW, but I can't recall it atm). Why? Because Piper called her "fat".
- Prior to Starrcade '99, a "landmark event" was hyped. It ended being a rehash of the Montreal Screwjob, with Goldberg as Bret Hart and Bret Hart as Shawn Michaels.
- After the main event of Souled Out 2000 (Bret Hart vs. Sid for the WCW World Heavyweight Championship) fell apart, Russo wanted to give the World Title to Tank Abbott!
- Russo's second tenure enacted the "rule" that there would be no DQs. The next match was Sid vs. Harlem Heat 2000, which ended in a DQ.

For more, I refer you to "The Death of WCW", a very good book about the downfall of WCW. Although you may want to wait until mid-2014, because a revised edition is coming up.

[FullMetalJack]

I've been spending some time watching some Vince Russo-era WCW, to get an idea of just how bad it was, when I stumbled across this. There was a lot of crap in WCW's dying days, but that advert and storyline absolutely takes the biscuit. I am now convinced Russo was on drugs when he booked WCW in 2000.

If there is a positive about WCW in 2000, it is the fact that Nitro was so unpredictable, it made for compelling viewing, despite how awful the stuff actually was.

Highlight of that year for me has to be Steiner's shoot on Flair and WCW. He was understandably suspended.

[Ferrarist]

Highlight of that year for me has to be Steiner's shoot on Flair and WCW. He was understandably suspended.

With pay!

It actually became an inside joke in 2000. While being commissioner, Ernest Miller threatened wrestlers to send them to jail, because someone in the office might pay them.

[AdrianSutil]

WWE star Darren Young has come out as being gay. Good luck to him.

[Londoner]

Greatest promo ever. I think you can guess who said it.

Summerslam tonight. Lesnar vs Punk, CENAWINSLOL vs Daniel Bryan, and Del Rio vs Christian are the big matches. I'd like to see Christian win the WHC again, but I can't see it happening, to be honest.

[FullMetalJack]

Greatest promo ever. I think you can guess who said it. .

I bathplugging LOVE that promo. Funnily enough, having an 8 1/3% chance of winning when his opponent has an 141 2/3% chance of winning are the usual odds John Cena overcomes.

These promos/segments are just as funny as the math promo.

Scott Steiner has no sugar for Bully Ray
No Scott, Pearl Harbour did not bomb the Germans
Greatest ring announcer of all time

However

This probably takes the cake

Summerslam tonight. Lesnar vs Punk, CENAWINSLOL vs Daniel Bryan, and Del Rio vs Christian are the big matches. I'd like to see Christian win the WHC again, but I can't see it happening, to be honest.

I'd love it if Christian got a proper title run, i've always been a fan of him.

[RealRacingRoots]

Really enjoyed SummerSlam. Only big issue is that the undercard as usual lacks proper investment or development. Christian vs Del Rio was solid, but it was a shame that they built up this being Christian's last chance only for him to lose clean to Del Rio.

The closing chair shots from Lesnar to Punk were insane, some of the most brutal chair shots outside of a Drake Younger vs Sami Callahan match. (that means you should get watching PWG)

Meanwhile, with Raw, Cena is out 4-6 months to remove that baseball from his elbow. That should give ample time for Bryan to chase Randy Snoreton (and, presumably, Evolution) and get the title run Daniel Bryan deserves.

[FullMetalJack]

Really enjoyed SummerSlam. Only big issue is that the undercard as usual lacks proper investment or development. Christian vs Del Rio was solid, but it was a shame that they built up this being Christian's last chance only for him to lose clean to Del Rio.

The closing chair shots from Lesnar to Punk were insane, some of the most brutal chair shots outside of a Drake Younger vs Sami Callahan match. (that means you should get watching PWG)

Meanwhile, with Raw, Cena is out 4-6 months to remove that baseball from his elbow. That should give ample time for Bryan to chase Randy Snoreton (and, presumably, Evolution) and get the title run Daniel Bryan deserves.

I would mark if HHH and Orton entered the arena to Evolution's theme music

[watka]

I assume we've all seen this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c4_bqSRxE14

[DOSBoot]

I assume we've all seen this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c4_bqSRxE14

Yep, I was the one who originally posted it. (The video has since been pulled.) Always a blast to watch. Wouldn't mind seeing the F1 fans doing that to Vettel every time he wins a race.

[Klon]

I assume we've all seen this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c4_bqSRxE14

Yep, I was the one who originally posted it. (The video has since been pulled.) Always a blast to watch. Wouldn't mind seeing the F1 fans doing that to Vettel every time he wins a race.

Yeah, except the guys asking for chairs were faces. So if Vettel was able to do that, he'd be a crowd favourite so you basically want him to be one. Nice job shooting in your own foot, m8.

[DOSBoot]

I assume we've all seen this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c4_bqSRxE14

Yep, I was the one who originally posted it. (The video has since been pulled.) Always a blast to watch. Wouldn't mind seeing the F1 fans doing that to Vettel every time he wins a race.

Yeah, except the guys asking for chairs were faces. So if Vettel was able to do that, he'd be a crowd favourite so you basically want him to be one. Nice job shooting in your own foot, m8.

That's not what I meant. I meant the whole crowd throwing chairs AT HIM.

[Londoner]

Did my eyes deceive me, or did Kane come out on Raw last night in a SUIT and TIE? He's only gone and joined the Corporation.

And in other news, TNA are in all kinds of shite, and they're up for sale. Who might buy them? Why, this guy...

[Londoner]

For those of you who haven't seen it yet, Botchamania 242 is now up, consisting entirely of footage from the Rumble. Oh dear me.

Some guy called "Booooo" won the Rumble match, apparently. And Rey Mysterio became the biggest heel in the history of the company.

[WaffleCat]

For those of you who haven't seen it yet, Botchamania 242 is now up, consisting entirely of footage from the Rumble. Oh dear me.

Some guy called "Booooo" won the Rumble match, apparently. And Rey Mysterio became the biggest heel in the history of the company.

That intro,though. Best thing I've ever seen from Botchamania.

I'm obviously talking about the Simpsons,not Chris Hero.

[FullMetalJack]

Big Vis/Viscera/Mabel/King Mabel/Big Daddy V passes away

My condolences to his family.

I'll just leave The World's Largest Love Machine's 'interesting' finisher here

[Londoner]

Big Vis/Viscera/Mabel/King Mabel/Big Daddy V passes away

My condolences to his family.

I'll just leave The World's Largest Love Machine's 'interesting' finisher here

He'd only just turned 43? That's really sad. Decent wrestler for his size, and what a character.

RIP.

[FullMetalJack]

I was procrastinating from uni work today, and eventually I watched this legendary promo from the Dudley Boyz, at the ECW PPV Heatwave 99

I've never known wrestlers to verbally attack the crowd quite to the level that Bubba Ray did here. My favourite line being "We have a mom in the front row who taught her own daughter how to suck dick"

[Londoner]

So, Daniel Bryan finally prevails over The Authority at Wrestlemania 30. But something far, far more important happened last night. Of course, I'm talking about The Shield absolutely BURYING the New Age Outlaws and Kane on the grandest stage of them all. #BelieveInTheShield.

[Londoner]

RIP Ultimate Warrior. He was only on Raw the day before he died.

[FullMetalJack]

The greatest streak in the history of professional wrestling has finally been ended

And just a couple of months after Undertaker's streak ending too.