Grand Prix Rejects

Bleu wrote:Allen Heath (b.1918) did some races in AAA National Championship in 1952-1953. Hal Robson (b. 1911) did races in the same series during 1940s.

Thank you for recommending Hal Robson. He competed at the Indy 500, so he can't be that bad.

Therefore Maple Leaf Racing will sack Pease in favor of Robson.

UgncreativeUsergname wrote:Louis Chiron for ROTR!

In his defence he made two unscheduled stops, each just after his first two scheduled stops, hence his low position. He had been on the same strategy as de Graffenried and Uria and was ahead of both until his race fell apart.

Just looked into everyone's pitstops in the replay, while most stubbornly decided to stick with a three stop strategy in spite of the fact that fully fresh tyres here gave you as many as five seconds over fully worn ones. Parsons, Niell, Bira and Kelly did four stops, the first of which was around lap 15 meaning that they had around 25 laps of having fresher tyres than everyone else. Only Parsons managed to use that advantage to its full potential by making sure that he always stopped at different points to the leaders while Niell and Bira foolishly made the rest of their stops in sequence with the more conservative strategies meaning they lost their advantage for the rest of the race. Kelly had his race ruined first when he hit the wall which together with a stop for repairs cost him a lap, then he dropped back further when he spun.

Finally there was an alternate three stop strategy which de Graffenried, Uria, Junkova, Chiron and Stuck were on, the latter two of course had their races ruined before they could work properly. This involved making their pitstops about ten laps sooner than everyone else on the three stop strategies which gave them ten laps of fresher tyres and allowing them to gain back all the time they lost from the pitstop but came with the disadvantage of slower pace once the others made their their stops. De Graffenried started out the final stint just behind Villoresi but by the time the finish came he had lost thirty seconds and was almost caught by Rubirosa.

As for ROTR I'd give it to Lundgren, his crash was pretty comical. He planted his car into a tyre barrier while attempting to overtake Gaze around the outside of a tight left-hander.

My experimental lap chart is up, along with our ROTR.

http://f1alternate.wikkii.com/wiki/1951 ... Grand_Prix

Round 2 at Sebring will begin from either Thursday evening or Friday. Confirm drivers if you haven't already.

Oh and the Salvador circuit have announced plans to expand its paddock and pitlane to accommodate a full field for 1952 after a successful debut race.

So Wallenius had unscheduled pit stop at the early stages? Or mistake which dropped him last?

Bleu wrote:So Wallenius had unscheduled pit stop at the early stages? Or mistake which dropped him last?

Think he had a puncture very early on. Too early for fresher tyres to have enough of an advantage.

Brazil will still run Landi for the next round

Still need confirmations from France, West Germany, England, Wales and Spain. If anyone else wants to change plans then let me know.

Samster wrote:Still need confirmations from France, West Germany, England, Wales and Spain. If anyone else wants to change plans then let me know.

5th place marked the worst ever classified finish for Team France! However Manzon will step in once again.

Jack Niell will drive for Wales.

Godia will race for Spain

Stirling Moss for England.

Just need West Germany's choice now.

Hans Stuck will run in the car for the foreseeable future

Looks like this might be a rather boring season title fight wise as Fangio took pole once again from Luigi Villoresi and Robert Manzon.

Full Results
http://f1alternate.wikkii.com/wiki/1951 ... Grand_Prix

So Fangio won again but Villoresi managed to be a thorn in his side over the first stint. Sadly just as the Italian got within one second of Fangio, his race rapidly fell apart in spectacular fashion culminating in him plowing into the back of a back-marker.

ROTY will be added tomorrow.

Full Results
http://f1alternate.wikkii.com/wiki/1951 ... Grand_Prix

Round 3 at Zandvoort will run on Tuesday, confirm drivers by then.

Fagioli in for Villoresi.

Ho-humm, a DNQ first and now an avoidable collision. We'll give Lippmann one more chance - if he fails to score points in the next race, he will sit out for a while and be replaced by Asturias Hall.

Stirling Moss once more for England.

Trintignant back in the car for the next race please, we are heading in the right direction.

Jover will race for Spain.

Just need plans from Wales and Scotland. If anyone else wants to run a different driver to what I've listed on the wiki, let me know here.

Charles Headland for Wales.

Murray remains for Scotland.

Drying conditions throughout qualifying saw a grid result that was rather different to the usual pecking order. Joe Kelly managed to take advantage of being the last driver to set a time in the session by taking his and Ireland's second ever pole position. Juan Jover will start alongside. Meanwhile Fangio will start down in 14th. Other usual front runners will also start from low down, Stuck and Trintignant both make up row six.

Full Results
http://f1alternate.wikkii.com/wiki/1951 ... Grand_Prix

Argentina aren't worried - Juan Manuel Fangio will carve through the field like a knife through hot butter

Oh, Holland is looking to have an awful season...

pasta_maldonado wrote:Argentina aren't worried - Juan Manuel Fangio will carve through the field like a knife through hot butter

*Hot knife through butter. Plus, no way he's going to beat Fagioli.

kostas22 wrote:

pasta_maldonado wrote:Argentina aren't worried - Juan Manuel Fangio will carve through the field like a knife through hot butter

*Hot knife through butter. Plus, no way he's going to beat Fagioli.

Damn. And Fangios got form on his side

Unless Manfredo performs miracles in the race, he has just put himself into the unemployment line...

Joe Kelly manages to pull off the win! He was admittedly helped out by the slower pace of Jover and Chiron holding up the larger threats in Moss and Fagioli but Kelly takes his and Ireland's debut win entirely on merit. Fangio meanwhile had a somewhat mediocre race by his standards, not really making much progress and hampered by slow pitstops and twice getting held up by stubborn backmarkers. He finished 8th but Argentina still lead by 18 points over Italy.

Full Results and Report.
http://f1alternate.wikkii.com/wiki/1951 ... Grand_Prix

Good Louis is back!

Anyway, Charles Headland for Wales.

Oh Darn... Brazilians already started it!

And we will keep Landi for the next race

Right, that does it. Manfredo Lippmann out, Antonio Asturias Hall in.

Stirling Moss has done well but put Peter Whitehead back in the car.

Fangio! Why you not on pace!

Godia will return for round 4.

Robert Manzon back in the car for France please.

Thanks a million Brazil pitcrew.

Nuppiz wrote:Right, that does it. Manfredo Lippmann out, Antonio Asturias Hall in.

Harsh, his car gave up on him and I reckon he could have scored since he was ahead of Claes when it happened. But as you wish.

Think I just need Italy's plans now. If anyone else wants to run a different driver to who I have listed let me know on here.

Luigi Villoresi shall return for the GB/IOM double header