Grand Prix Rejects

fjackdaw wrote:

Pamphlet wrote:F1Rejects - For, once again, putting "unprofessionalism" above everything else.

Explain?

It's for everyone that nominated Hamilton. And it's something that I see very often on these forums.

Yes, Hamilton was stupid, but how does that even come close to Grosjean's murderous start? Or Maldonado's triple (clutch slipped? really?) brain fade? If anything it should bump him up a little because it proves that his decision to switch to the old rear wing was what cost him in qualifying (and he apologized for that decision).

Pamphlet wrote:

fjackdaw wrote:

Pamphlet wrote:F1Rejects - For, once again, putting "unprofessionalism" above everything else.

Explain?

It's for everyone that nominated Hamilton. And it's something that I see very often on these forums.

Yes, Hamilton was stupid, but how does that even come close to Grosjean's murderous start? Or Maldonado's triple (clutch slipped? really?) brain fade?

Only 2 or 3 people voted for Hamilton...no need to tar us all with the same brush.

Pamphlet wrote:

fjackdaw wrote:

Pamphlet wrote:F1Rejects - For, once again, putting "unprofessionalism" above everything else.

Explain?

It's for everyone that nominated Hamilton. And it's something that I see very often on these forums.

Yes, Hamilton was stupid, but how does that even come close to Grosjean's murderous start? Or Maldonado's triple (clutch slipped? really?) brain fade? If anything it should bump him up a little because it proves that his decision to switch to the old rear wing was what cost him in qualifying (and he apologized for that decision).

While I do agree that nominating Hamilton over Maldonado and Grosjean is pretty rejectful, why not just nominate those people who said it.

Sorry but how are some people voting Hamilton as ROTR?. . .Do you have eyes? did you watch the same race? I get some people dont like him but that was in no way (in my view) his fault. . .Grosjean simply cut across him which in turn made him go on the grass spin him and then the chaos ensued. . .Grosjeans fault 100% I do like Grosjean but theres no proving he wasnt at fault he just was plain and simple. . .

As for my Rejections.

1.Grosjean - Obviously.
2.Heikki - Sorry your a good driver pal but geez
3.Caterham. . .Not Vitaly as far as i can tell he had an issue with the release which i dont know if it was his doing or just mechanical.
4.Mercedes - Laughable pace.
5.Williams - Senna could of done well if it wasnt such a shoddy strategy.
6.Glock got MALDONADO'D so Pastor in otherwords and a jump start was just crap, I think he destroys more money in car repairs then brings in in sponsors.
7. My girlfriend who was whinging all weekend about watching it she brings a book down to read while its on soon as it starts books on the floor and shes engrossed but id say thats more of a ROTPL (Reject Of The Personal Lives)

Eryx

Eryx wrote:Sorry but how are some people voting Hamilton as ROTR?. . .Do you have eyes? did you watch the same race? I get some people dont like him but that was in no way (in my view) his fault. . .Grosjean simply cut across him which in turn made him go on the grass spin him and then the chaos ensued. . .Grosjeans fault 100% I do like Grosjean but theres no proving he wasnt at fault he just was plain and simple. . .

Nobody's blaming him for that as far as I can see, it's more for releasing his and Button's telemetry on Twitter.

BlindCaveSalamander wrote:

Eryx wrote:Sorry but how are some people voting Hamilton as ROTR?. . .Do you have eyes? did you watch the same race? I get some people dont like him but that was in no way (in my view) his fault. . .Grosjean simply cut across him which in turn made him go on the grass spin him and then the chaos ensued. . .Grosjeans fault 100% I do like Grosjean but theres no proving he wasnt at fault he just was plain and simple. . .

Nobody's blaming him for that as far as I can see, it's more for releasing his and Button's telemetry on Twitter.

It is a combination of the telemetry data that Hamilton released on Twitter - which you can view within this article on the BBC http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/formula1/19464220 - and the generally slightly petulant comments that he made just before that point. Now, the data that Hamilton released is of limited value to his rivals, though it still has some value to them - it had his on track speed data versus Button, along with throttle, brake and gear selection, (although some of that data could be obtained by rival teams through the onboard camera feeds), plus some indication of the ride height that McLaren were using in that race for each driver.

However, it is the fact that Hamilton has breached the confidence of the team that hurts the most - when has a driver intentionally published data about his car to explain his performance in qualifying, in the process going behind the backs of his engineers to obtain that data? We have seen relationships between drivers and their teams become very bitter in the past, but even then it was normally accepted that what happened in private meetings remained private.
Enforcer does have a point when he points out that it is extremely unprofessional for Hamilton to do that, and in most professional occupations publishing confidential data would be grounds for disciplinary action or even termination of employment. I would imagine that relations between Hamilton and his team are going to be severely strained by that move because it makes him look like something of a liability to them - and although the team were quite loyal to Hamilton last year, the team are only going to be willing to tolerate so many outbursts like that before their patience snaps.

That said, I would still stick with my earlier comments that Grosjean should take the award this weekend - what Hamilton did might have hurt the competitiveness of the team, but what Grosjean did might have hurt somebody full stop.

Haven't watched it due to preferring to spend time with my girlfriend - as always these days

Anyhow, looking at the race reviews, the award appears to be handed to the Man Without Vowels almost by default.

But as always, it's Enoch's and Jamie's to decide.

A lot of strong candidates in this race, but basically impossible to go past Grosjean. Erratic in qualifying and then another first corner crash.

Well, the thing with Grosjean was quite entertaining actually, it's getting tiresome to see the usual suspects and their usual finishing positions, thanks to their cars' impeccable reliability. Kind of reminded me of Spa 1998. Nobody got a reprimand then, if my memory serves me right. But yes, it was dangerous, and obviously F1 is a different place than it was twenty years ago...

lostpin wrote:Well, the thing with Grosjean was quite entertaining actually, it's getting tiresome to see the usual suspects and their usual finishing positions, thanks to their cars' impeccable reliability. Kind of reminded me of Spa 1998. Nobody got a reprimand then, if my memory serves me right. But yes, it was dangerous, and obviously F1 is a different place than it was twenty years ago...

It was also very wet in '98

Eryx wrote:As for my Rejections.
7. My girlfriend who was whinging all weekend about watching it she brings a book down to read while its on soon as it starts books on the floor and shes engrossed but id say thats more of a ROTPL (Reject Of The Personal Lives)

That's a dumping offence in my book. Donate her to dr-baker and get yourself a better girlfriend, my son!

dinizintheoven wrote:

Eryx wrote:As for my Rejections.
7. My girlfriend who was whinging all weekend about watching it she brings a book down to read while its on soon as it starts books on the floor and shes engrossed but id say thats more of a ROTPL (Reject Of The Personal Lives)

That's a dumping offence in my book. Donate her to dr-baker and get yourself a better girlfriend, my son!

Baker's Law invoked. Papaya dropped.



I changed too my ROTR nomimation to Grosjean - nuff said. He deserved his one race ban.

FMecha wrote:dinizintheoven wrote:

Eryx wrote:As for my Rejections.
7. My girlfriend who was whinging all weekend about watching it she brings a book down to read while its on soon as it starts books on the floor and shes engrossed but id say thats more of a ROTPL (Reject Of The Personal Lives)


That's a dumping offence in my book. Donate her to dr-baker and get yourself a better girlfriend, my son!

It maybe a dumping offence to you, but Ive been with her to long to dump her. As for F1 and her she isnt a fan really. . .Me being an Ex racer doesnt interest her either i feel like dragging her to Silverstone.

For me the RoTR can only be Grosjean. It is not everyday someone gets banned in F1. It was a bitter sweet accident for me. On one side, putting people in danger like that is unacceptable even if was non intentional and besides, he ruined both Sauber drivers race. On the other side, he did took out important people like Alonso and Hamilton and that opened the door to some surprises like Hulkenberg's 4th place and Raikkonen closing in on WDC's 2nd place. He gets it in the end because it was a deeply rejectful move.


I would like also to mention both Hamilton and Maldonado. The first one proved that he is indeed a brainless unprofessional spoiled brat who would have seen all contract negotiations with a team of mine forfeited. Seriously dude, even you can be on the receiving end of a team-mate beating once in a while, so man-up, accept it in the shin and get revenge at the next race. You are better than that and much better than Button and this is the only reason why McLaren have been patient with you. It is still not too late! As for Maldonado... Well, it might be too late for Mr Incident to fix his erratic driving. If the clutch wasn't really his problem, from the look of it, it could only have happened to him. And as for yet another tangle... YOU CANNOT BE SERIOUS!

3rd: Mercedes' gearboxes - Demoted Rosberg to 23rd on the grid then failed on Schumi's car when he was in a good moment in the race.
2nd: Williams F1 - Pastor Maldonado for once again wasting a great qualifying effort, jumping the start then crashing into Glock after serving the penalty that followed, and the strategists for wasting Bruno Senna's race effort. As a result, and with The Hülk's 4th place, they're now behind Force India on the WCC, even though this year their car's come good.
1st: Rmmnnn Grrrjnnn - for causing the 1st corner pile-up that took both Saubers, Alonso and Hamilton, and which came just a few centimeters away from causing Alonso some serious injury, and receiving (duly, I think) a one-race ban for that.

Dishonorable mention:
Heikki Kovalainen - He's one of my favorite drivers, but to me with those spins it looked like he was overdriving the car a bit too much.

1. Grosjean
2. Maldonado

Hi everyone, it's official decision time.

Well in the end this one wasn't too difficult, was it? It could only come down to one of two people, the two men who have proven to be the Captains of Chaos in 2012. The hard part was actually choosing between them ...

In the end I've wussed out and given a joint award to Romain Grosjean and Pastor Maldonado. Lotus haven't managed to win a race this year for a myriad of reasons, but one of them must include the fact that Grosjean has completed even fewer laps than Schumacher - and that's saying something. I mean, seriously, crossing from the left side of the track to the far right in the middle of a pack of cars on the tightest approach to a first corner of the season (apart from Monaco, where - oh, that's right - Grosjean also collected several cars) and he expects to get away with it? From Hamilton's on-board it also seems as though Grosjean was leaning right, looking in his mirror so he knew exactly where Lewis was. All in all, it was quite simply an appalling bit of driving and I'm not in the slightest surprised that he got a one-race ban.

Maldonado did not do anything as severe, but it's not size that matters but volume. The jump start was silly enough, then the collision with Glock. On top of all the other incidents he's already had this year. Will he ever learn? I am now convinced that he has thrown away more points than he has actually scored.

eytl wrote:. I mean, seriously, crossing from the left side of the track to the far right in the middle of a pack of cars on the tightest approach to a first corner of the season .

de Cesaris did the same thing atthe start of the 1982 Austrian Grand Prix, only to take out his team mate

eytl wrote:Maldonado did not do anything as severe, but it's not size that matters but volume. The jump start was silly enough, then the collision with Glock. On top of all the other incidents he's already had this year. Will he ever learn? I am now convinced that he has thrown away more points than he has actually scored.

If my calculations are correct ha had already done that by the end of the British GP.

Kobayashi-sama weighs in with his view on who ROTR is

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/formula1/19512281

pasta_maldonado wrote:

eytl wrote:. I mean, seriously, crossing from the left side of the track to the far right in the middle of a pack of cars on the tightest approach to a first corner of the season .

de Cesaris did the same thing atthe start of the 1982 Austrian Grand Prix, only to take out his team mate

That was probably standard procedures for De Cesaris back then though.

sswishbone wrote:Kobayashi-sama weighs in with his view on who ROTR is

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/formula1/19512281

Nice Engrish there...

sswishbone wrote:Kobayashi-sama weighs in with his view on who ROTR is

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/formula1/19512281

Bet you anything his interview was translated by Google translate.